FactCheck.org: Obama’s ad on Ralph Reed smeared McCain

posted at 2:25 pm on August 22, 2008 by Allahpundit

We already knew that, but FC puts some meat on the bone. Remember, the Reed ad was what got Team Maverick first talking about Ayers this week, as a rejoinder to the charge of guilt by association. Viewed in that context, yesterday’s brutal spot from that “independent” group was de facto retaliation (whether it was produced with that aim or not). The difference between the spots: The Ayers ad turns out to be a fairer representation of the Obama/Ayers relationship than the Reed ad is of the McCain/Reed one. One order of “new politics,” garnished liberally with nuance, coming right up:

The ad calls Reed a “power broker” who was “in the middle” of “one of Washington’s biggest scandals,” the Jack Abramoff affair. And it says that McCain, as chairman of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, “never even called Reed to testify” in the Abramoff investigation.

That’s all true, but what’s not said is that McCain’s report caused Reed political embarrassment, making public evidence that contradicted Reed’s claim that he hadn’t known that his lobbying activities among anti-gambling Christian activists had been paid for by casino-owning Indian tribes who wanted to suppress competition…

McCain’s investigation focused primarily on how Abramoff and Scanlon fleeced tribes by charging them millions in lobbying fees for lobbying work they never performed. But as the report details, Reed actually performed the lobbying work he was paid to do. In fact, Abramoff and Scanlon eventually pushed Reed aside, so they could keep for themselves the money they might otherwise have paid Reed…

So what could Reed have told the committee if McCain had called him as a witness? We don’t know, and the Obama ad doesn’t say.

In other words, this is roughly as unfair as the Ayers ad would have been if Obama had actually helped to expose Ayers’s past crimes instead of issuing the obligatory denunciation when pressed and then politely letting the matter drop. Anyway, more at the link, including an assessment of just how joint that recent Reed fundraiser for McCain was.


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This will sound like a broken record. “Again, I’m not surprised.”

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 22, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Whatever. Obama’s gotten away with calling McCain and Republicans at large racists. Even Bobby Jindal, on Larry King Live, didn’t confront the assertion made by Larry that “many” of the attacks on Obama are becuase of his race.

This is nothing.

VolMagic on August 22, 2008 at 2:34 PM

This will sound like a broken record. “Again, I’m not surprised.”

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 22, 2008 at 2:30 PM

You are starting to sound like Obama Dr. Cwac Cwac….”I’ve consistently said….I’m not surprised.” LOL

ihasurnominashun on August 22, 2008 at 2:36 PM

In other words, this is roughly as unfair as the Ayers ad would have been if Obama had actually helped to expose Ayers’s past crimes

Uh huh….except Obama was 8 years old when Ayers committed his crimes. I guess Obama should have been investigating Ayers while he was in junior high.

crr6 on August 22, 2008 at 2:36 PM

crr6 on August 22, 2008 at 2:36 PM

You’re guy likes terrorists. Deal with it.

VolMagic on August 22, 2008 at 2:37 PM

JUST GOT A TEXT MESSAGE! IT’S KAINE!

BobMbx on August 22, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Yeah, but McCain’s not keeping track of how many investment properties his wife buys. Plus he might have a combover. And he’s old. Quit smearing The Obamassiah you bitter racist hatemongers!

/standard liberal retort.

rbj on August 22, 2008 at 2:39 PM

You’re guy likes terrorists. Deal with it.

Guess crr6 hit a nerve, eh?

Grow Fins on August 22, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Uh huh….except Obama was 8 years old when Ayers committed his crimes

Which has nothing to do with anything, as you well know. If it turned out that Bobby Jindal was palling around with a guy who murdered a bunch of people when he was a kid and who, moreover, was unrepentant about it to this day, you’d be dumping in your pants over it. Don’t be such a robotic little hack.

Allahpundit on August 22, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Well, I for one am very glad the Ayers thing is finally getting some good airtime. People need to see this, understand who this guy is, and BarryO’Hopenchange’s relationship with him and Dorhn. Hannity can talk until he’s blue in the face, but it won’t reach the folks it needs to to matter.

And personally, I have always thought the Weather Underground folks were much more troublesome than a kooky racist preacher, for what that’s worth.

Although I shouldn’t have been surprised, I was when I saw an Obama defender on H&C say that Ayers and the partial birth abortion flap was a “distraction” and “wouldn’t help with gas prices” and the economy.

JamesLee on August 22, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Guess crr6 hit a nerve, eh?

Someone hit a nerve. Hence TNR’s exclamation of how revolting the Ayers ad was without so much as an attempt at explaining why.

Allahpundit on August 22, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Who said anything about Ayers crimes as a Weather Undergroud type? I’m sure Ayers has not exactly been a paragon of virtue since. In fact, I’ll wager he committed several crimes when he was a co-worker with Obama.

Vanceone on August 22, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Uh huh….except Obama was 8 years old when Ayers committed his crimes. I guess Obama should have been investigating Ayers while he was in junior high.

crr6 on August 22, 2008 at 2:36 PM

When you talk…I hear bleating.

fossten on August 22, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Uh huh….except Obama was 8 years old when Ayers committed his crimes

One other point about this, just because it’s so exceptionally lame. Obama’s age is relevant only as a proxy for his capacity for moral judgments at the time. If he had known Ayers when he was eight years old and then never encountered him again, that would be one thing; as it is, he knew him as an adult and had no problem associating with him. It’d be like if I decided to become pen pals with the Night Stalker. I was 10 years old or so when he committed his crimes. Would that let me off the hook in your eyes if I chose to be buds with him now? Of course not. And yet you insist on this impossibly feeble argument on Obama’s behalf.

Allahpundit on August 22, 2008 at 2:53 PM

Text alert!!! Kevin Federline!!!

LtE126 on August 22, 2008 at 2:55 PM

this impossibly feeble argument

Rock on, AP!

Spirit of 1776 on August 22, 2008 at 2:56 PM

I guess Obama can’t read, therefore he wouldn’t know that Ayers admitted to being “guilty as sin, free as a bird”. Baracky apparently can’t see, hear or comprehend either.

Bishop on August 22, 2008 at 3:00 PM

……. weak.

Seven Percent Solution on August 22, 2008 at 3:00 PM

I think I hear the bus coming…look, it’s the Ayers Express

BobMbx on August 22, 2008 at 3:03 PM

ihasurnominashun on August 22, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Those are fightin’ words, buddy. :)

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 22, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Uh huh….except Obama was 8 years old when Ayers committed his crimes. I guess Obama should have been investigating Ayers while he was in junior high.

crr6 on August 22, 2008 at 2:36 PM

but later in life and knowing full well who Ayers was and what he did . The One chose to still work with him. That right there nails it for me . He is either to cowardly to stand up from the beginning and say I will not work with this terrorist. Or he didnt care about Ayers past as long as it could benefit the ONE . So its pretty clear Nobama is not a man. Has no honor and will get into bed with anyone to help himself.

Mojack420 on August 22, 2008 at 3:08 PM

crr6 on August 22, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Just. Read. This.

and notice the date it was published too.

Brat on August 22, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Someone hit a nerve. Hence TNR’s exclamation of how revolting the Ayers ad was without so much as an attempt at explaining why.

Allahpundit on August 22, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Yep I’d say that an ad implying that a democratic presidential candidate wants to commit or approves of domestic terrorism would hit a nerve. God us liberals are so sensitive.

Instead of using anything Obama has actually done or said in his career as indicative of his character, the ad says we should make a value judgement on him based on what some dude he served on a board with did 40 odd years ago.

Which has nothing to do with anything, as you well know. If it turned out that Bobby Jindal was palling around with a guy who murdered a bunch of people when he was a kid and who, moreover, was unrepentant about it to this day, you’d be dumping in your pants over it. Don’t be such a robotic little hack.

Allahpundit on August 22, 2008 at 2:42 PM

If Bobby Jindal served on a board with an English professor who committed crimes (although I’m not sure where you got “murdered a bunch of people from) before Jindal developed object permanence…I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t “dump in my pants”.

crr6 on August 22, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Confirmed at the source: O’Veep NOT going to be Sebelius.

RushBaby on August 22, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Points well made, AP.

The fact that Osama Obama worked with — and palled around with — Ayers while the latter was actively pursuing his radical agenda (if not his bomb-making skills) would destroy any candidate other than The Messiah.

Ayers remains unrepentant for his crimes. So does Obama.

MrScribbler on August 22, 2008 at 3:20 PM

<blockquoteOne other point about this, just because it’s so exceptionally lame. Obama’s age is relevant only as a proxy for his capacity for moral judgments at the time. If he had known Ayers when he was eight years old and then never encountered him again, that would be one thing; as it is, he knew him as an adult and had no problem associating with him. It’d be like if I decided to become pen pals with the Night Stalker. I was 10 years old or so when he committed his crimes. Would that let me off the hook in your eyes if I chose to be buds with him now? Of course not. And yet you insist on this impossibly feeble argument on Obama’s behalf.

Allahpundit on August 22, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Let’s cut through all the crap then, what’s your overall point? Do you really think Obama shares or endorses Ayer’s views? This silly game can go both ways. McCain didn’t just know Reverend Hagee, he actually actively sought out his endorsement despite his numerous abhorrent remarks. Does McCain share his views? And round and round we go.
That’s why the ad is so “despicable”. Somebody could actually watch it and mistakenly believe that Obama endorses Ayers twisted views when there is no evidence that he does.

crr6 on August 22, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Instead of using anything Obama has actually done or said in his career as indicative of his character, the ad says we should make a value judgement on him based on what some dude he served on a board with did 40 odd years ago, called “mainstream,” started his campaign from his house, treated as a friend, and allowed to blog on his campaign website.

crr6 on August 22, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Yes, we should.

Fixed.

fossten on August 22, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Instead of using anything Obama has actually done or said in his career as indicative of his character, the ad says we should make a value judgement on him based on what some dude he served on a board with did 40 odd years ago.

and just what has the One said in his career that tells us about his character ???

I come from the old school way of seeing things . Actions speak louder then words . You can talk and try and blow smoke up my *** . But your actions will tell the real story about who you are, what you are and what you will do .

By the way why are the records of “some board ” all of a sudden not open to the public . Could it be there is simply more to this so called ” some board ” and somebody is trying to play CYA for the one.

Mojack420 on August 22, 2008 at 3:24 PM

crr6 on August 22, 2008 at 3:23 PM

I think his overall point is that the Ralph Reed ad is less accurate than the Ayers ad, and you should be acknowledging its silliness instead of putting out your Hagee straw man.

fossten on August 22, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Has factcheck.org made a determination in the culture wars yet? This shortcut to who’s right and who’s wrong is handy. If the past 25 years have taught anything, it’s beware of institutions.

JiangxiDad on August 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Has factcheck.org made a determination in the culture wars yet? This shortcut to who’s right and who’s wrong is handy. If the past 25 years have taught anything, it’s beware of institutions.

JiangxiDad on August 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Interesting thought. Wonder how we could get them to tackle this one.

fossten on August 22, 2008 at 3:30 PM

crr6 on August 22, 2008 at 3:23 PM

So was Reverend Hagee a domestic terrorist who declared war against the United States of America and planted bombs and then said he wished he did more and has never repented . I dont think so .

you might be able to try this weak ass spin to defend the one for his ties to Wright . But not to defend his sucking up to a terrorist POS that should have been frog marched out to the firing line and shot .

Mojack420 on August 22, 2008 at 3:31 PM

If Bobby Jindal served on a board with an English professor who committed crimes (although I’m not sure where you got “murdered a bunch of people from) before Jindal developed object permanence…I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t “dump in my pants”.

crr6 on August 22, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Probably from Ayers close cohort Bernadine Dohrn.

Look crr6, maybe you don’t realize this, but Obama is a pinhead. A man with that many horrendous associations should never try to play the guilt by association game because they will always lose. It would be like John Edwards attacking Rudy Guiliani for cheating on his wife.

Nevermind you have completely ignored Obama’s active collaboration with Ayers on a whole host of “community organization” projects that just happen to be under lock-and-key now at the Richard J. Daly library at University of Illinois at Chicago.

Tell me, does twisting yourself that much hurt, or do you get used to it? I mean, socialists have internalized apathy to mass murder, its entirely possible run of the mill leftists have generated an immunity to logic and history.

I suppose your next defense of Obama is that he really didn’t know Rezko was a scummy landlord, he just thought he was an honest real estate agent. How dare we insinuate Rezko and The One are connected simply because of a real estate transaction!

BKennedy on August 22, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Look crr6, maybe you don’t realize this, but Obama is a pinhead.

BKennedy on August 22, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Wow. I think you just summed up Obama’s entire campaign in one statement.

Well done.

fossten on August 22, 2008 at 3:41 PM

“Instead of using anything Obama has actually done or said in his career as indicative of his character,…” ccr6

Please enlighten us as it seems the lightworker’s resume is a little light in those areas.

Tom

marinetbryant on August 22, 2008 at 3:42 PM

So we are to make nothing of the fact that Obama palls up with, and defends an unrepentant terrorist?

MarkTheGreat on August 22, 2008 at 3:43 PM

I hve a dumb question – FactCheck.org is related to Annenberg, is that Walter Annenberg as in the Annenberg Challenge?

It appears to be linked…to William Ayers?

AprilOrit on August 22, 2008 at 4:12 PM

So our candidate is old and yours is a corrupt idiot.

I’ll take old over idiot, thank you.

NoDonkey on August 22, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Uh huh….except Obama was 8 years old when Ayers committed his crimes. I guess Obama should have been investigating Ayers while he was in junior high.
crr6 on August 22, 2008 at

Are you suggesting that Obama was sufficiently dense as to be unfamiliar with the history of Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn or the the weather underground? Such a contention is laughable.

Would it make a difference if instead of murdering cops and trying to bomb an NCO dance the weathermen were instead unrepentant bigots who murdered blacks and attempted to blow up churches?

The fact is, Bill Ayers is a self admitted, unrepentant terrorist who feels his group should have done more says it all. One can reasonably conclude that by “more”
he means more bombings and murders.

Most reasonable people feel that terrorism crosses a threshold that is not permissable in a free society and are repulsed by people who engage in such activity. Obviously, Obama was not sufficiently repulsed by Ayers so as to disassociate himself from this guy.

Granted, one bad relationship doesn’t not a pattern make. However, the bodies are piling up and Obama has demonstrated that either he is the most unlikely guy in America (“who knew what these people were really like?”) or he has made politically expediant choices as it pertains to his relationships. At most one could say that he is is simply not very discerning regarding the character of others.

Since he has a thin record of leadership he has placed judgement as the cornerstone of his qualifications for the job he is applying. It is reasonable to look closely at the choices he has made. Simple enough.

“Adolf Eichmann’s crimes were so long ago, yeah he still feels he should have done more…but he did those things long before I was born…..”

moxie_neanderthal on August 22, 2008 at 5:10 PM

Guess crr6 hit a nerve, eh?

No. I was pointing out that his, and you’re your, guy likes terrorists. A simple point.

As some added spice, your guy also hates babies.

Now if he will just eat a puppy…

VolMagic on August 22, 2008 at 5:12 PM

It’d be like if I decided to become pen pals with the Night Stalker. I was 10 years old or so when he committed his crimes. Would that let me off the hook in your eyes if I chose to be buds with him now? Of course not. And yet you insist on this impossibly feeble argument on Obama’s behalf.

Allahpundit on August 22, 2008 at 2:53 PM

Terry McNichols probably doesn’t get much mail either. Poor guy needs friends too.

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funky chicken on August 22, 2008 at 6:41 PM

I’ll bite:

If the Ayers/Dohrn-Obama meet and greet took place in November, 1995, it cannot have been the first time that Obama met Ayers. By that time Obama was already Chairman of the Board of the $50 million Chicago Annenberg Challenge Grant program that was designed by Ayers. Ayers began the grant proposal design process in December 1993 and the grant was formally announced in January, 1995. Barack Obama was identified as the Chair in press reports in June of 1995.

So, unless Ayers helped pick a board chair he had never met and would never meet until the “meet and greet,” Obama, in fact, met Ayers well before the launching of his state senate campaign. Of course, it is very likely that there would have had to have been a very close working relationship between Ayers, as the lead architect of the Annenberg proposal, and the first board chairman. They would have had to have agreed on basic educational policy issues. And Obama would have been crucial in leading fund raising efforts since the $50 million grant was conditioned on a 2-1 match from other donors (and something they were quite successful at – raising an additional $60 million by 1999).
http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/05/when-did-barack-obama-meet-bill-ayers.html

funky chicken on August 22, 2008 at 6:45 PM

Terry McNichols probably doesn’t get much mail either. Poor guy needs friends too.

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funky chicken on August 22, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Fixed.

fossten on August 22, 2008 at 7:14 PM

That’s why the ad is so “despicable”. Somebody could actually watch it and mistakenly believe that Obama endorses Ayers twisted views when there is no evidence that he does.

I see. So no one should ever say anything that someone might construe as being something other than what was said. And if you say something that people could take in a way that isn’t what you said, it’s despicable.

Um, no. People are responsible for what they say. People misquoting or misconstruing it are either stupid or a$$holes, like Obama was with McCain’s 100 years comment.

Bottom line fact here: Obama’s friend Bill Ayers is an unrepentant domestic terrorist. You’re not worried about that being misinterpreted. You’re worried about that true fact being groked by the electorate.

Pablo on August 22, 2008 at 10:52 PM