Who knew there was a timetable for victory?

Well Klaus my business takes me to the Middle East several times a year. I am well aware of the reality of our presence there as shared by those that must live with the aftermath of our involvement. No offense to your son as he is simply doing what he signed on for but the mission is, has been and will be recored in history as a war of opportunity for Bush and Co. I suggest you make yourself familiar with the now-declassifed NSA, Treasury Dept. and WH Staff memos from January-March 2001 which show an agenda to topple Iraq and “reposition” its economy to meet the needs of the USA…well before 9/11 and well before Bush and Co’s hot rhetoric on “regime change”. Bush promised NO NATION BUILDING in 2000 and this is EXACTLY what we have done. Don’t think so? I suppose you think this sudden change of mind from Bush & Co on pullout dates was well thought out?

I could not help myself. sorry.

That is a lie.

DanKenton on August 21, 2008 at 6:48 PM

troll alert ( Do Not Feed )

If Obama is smart, he’ll simply stop talking about Iraq altogether.

He’s not smart; he’s a tool of the people who use him, and he needs to placate the nutroots ( see e-pirate here and on other threads for a typical example of who Obama needs to keep pandering to )

McCain’s Rich!!! Bush Lied!!! Cheney Haliburton!!! Hope & Change!!!

The Messiah is in a big hole, but can’t stop digging

Yippie!!! What this means is that after 2012 and the last of our American sons and daughters have died for the future profits of GWB & friends, the Iraqi people can go back to killing each other without the occasional interference of American troops. I suppose if Juan McShame is still alive he’ll have another pre-emptive, nation-building war he can vote for in the future.

DanKenton on August 21, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Why don’t you go to Iraq or Afghanistan, where ever my son is now and tell him that, to his face. I think that he would enlighten you to the facts.

It’s one thing to say that we shouldn’t have invaded Iraq, but another entirely to declare that we needed to retreat as Obama

I agree with your statement, as whether or not to leave a war is not nearly as important a decision as whether to get into a war in the first place.

But I somehow don’t think that’s what you meant.

and the last of our American sons and daughters have died for the future profits of GWB & friends, the Iraqi people can go back to killing each other without the occasional interference of American troops

Not just GWB. I made a freakin shitload in defense and oil stocks. I used a big part of it to fund McCain’s campaign so we can start all over again in Iran. F’ing great!! I’m even invited to the convention as a friend of John. I am going to be so rich. If you wanna get in on it, buy shit like Halliburton–the Ayrabs bought the company but you can still buy it on the Dubai or HK exchanges.

How you making out?

As soon as all the bad guys are dead, or at least enough of them that the I.A can handle what’s left.

“It appears that the war in Iraq is a Victory for the United States, but not yet confirmed”

Voters will focus more on the economy, where Obama’s populism has proven attractive, and less on foreign policy, unless Georgia heats up again.

And libs should take notice that Condi stressed negotiations last week regarding Georgia. She didn’t shoot anybody or drop any bombs. Really. Negotiation – it’s what we always try first.

V… is for “Victory”!

What did we win? Gift Korans to kiss? Does the “victory” have an extended warranty or is it just Islam as is? Do we have to share the “victory” with the Iranians or do we have full custody?

MB4 on August 21, 2008 at 6:30 PM

The iraqi government might not be as good as we wish but its better than the Islamic State of Al Qaeda or the New Mahdi State of Sadr.

Democracy has a chance it wouldnt if the other outcome had come about.

The surge, hallowed be it’s name, which even Barack Obama now admits worked, gave the Maliki government enough time to press for political reconciliation

Did the Sunni Awakening get that reconciliation email or are they not on Maliki’s reconciliation email list?

This is what victory looks like.

What did we win? Gift Korans to kiss? Does the “victory” have an extended warranty or is it just Islam as is? Do we have to share the “victory” with the Iranians or do we have full custody?

“We are leaving a peaceful secure Iraq that is a democracy and not a scarred splintered Iraq that would have happened if Obama had gotten his way. We leave in Victory not the defeat Obama tried to create.