FactCheck.org: We’ve seen Obama’s original birth certificate and it checks out
posted at 8:20 pm on August 21, 2008 by Allahpundit
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It’s real and it’s spectacular.
Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it’s stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs…
The document is a “certification of birth,” also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents’ hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health’s birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.
The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.
Much more plus high-rez photos at the link. This piece would have been helpful two months ago, when the conspiracy nonsense really started raging. If our e-mail tips are any gauge it’s petered out over the past month, thanks in part to Politifact’s debunking and the revelation of Obama’s birth announcement in a Honolulu newspaper in late July. Hopefully this is the final nail, although don’t be surprised if COB Truthers come back insisting that nothing but the long-form will do. Exit question: Why didn’t Team Barry simply produce the document for the media from the start?
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I’ve been trying to tell people that this was a big trap, just waiting for Team McCain to step into it. Can’t we just talk about how he hangs out with terrorists and lets babies die? Those seem potent enough.
BadgerHawk on August 21, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Answer above.
BadgerHawk on August 21, 2008 at 8:24 PM
That is often the question with the Obama campaign, isn’t it? They could head off so much stupidity and distraction by just coughing up the requested info/documents without hesitation the first time they’re asked. They make it look like they’re hiding something when they play coy like they do. Michelle’s thesis, Barack’s health records, the birth certificate, the stuff about the home they bought, etc. Perhaps they like the distraction and how it makes the opposition look like fools for barking up these trees when there’s real stuff to be bringing into the light.
aero on August 21, 2008 at 8:25 PM
BH, I wondered pretty quickly the same thing, which is why I never put too much stock in it. They kept the real thing under wraps, hoping McCain et al would jump on it. Good on ‘em for not biting.
bikermailman on August 21, 2008 at 8:26 PM
I Lost my birth certificate a long time ago
SoCalInfidel on August 21, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Doesn’t work too well when the shrub does it.
Darth Executor on August 21, 2008 at 8:30 PM
I question the timing. Hawaii trip and poof new birth certificate.
abinitioadinfinitum on August 21, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Obama needs to show the original birth certificate to the public. If he is elected and it turn out that he wasn’t born in America, we will have a national crisis. This is a serious issue that must be resolve and not through a third party.
jdun on August 21, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Yeah, McCain couldn’t really attack Obama since McCain wasn’t even born in America.
SoulGlo on August 21, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Barry’s a flake. A very lucky flake (so far in his career), but a flake nonetheless.
Until now, he’s never been under so much scrutiny. He’s still trying to learn how to respond effectively. Either he ignores it, or he overshoots the mark and makes more trouble for himself.
Very much like John Kerry, actually.
sulla on August 21, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Ok I just read the damn article. You got a bunch of armatures telling the rest of us it is the real thing. Whatever.
jdun on August 21, 2008 at 8:36 PM
What, do you really think they have to answer petty and distracting questions from bitter racists? They are our betters and need to focus on remaking America into a socialist utopia. And if you keep bothering them, you’ll have to go for a little “reeducation”.
rbj on August 21, 2008 at 8:36 PM
You two must really think McCain and his team are idiots.
TheBigOldDog on August 21, 2008 at 8:37 PM
It’s this that I wonder about.
Vatican Watcher on August 21, 2008 at 8:40 PM
They separate but similar discussions about the citizenship of both candidates have been just about the dumbest ever. But I have faith that something else is in the works that will beat them so I am not worried.
Cindy Munford on August 21, 2008 at 8:41 PM
I could see how they would appear intelligent to someone of your intellect.
The Race Card on August 21, 2008 at 8:41 PM
I kid.
The Race Card on August 21, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Why? The same reason he won’t release anything – he’s secretive. Maybe he has something to hide. Maybe he’s just paranoid. Whatever the root cause, the guy isn’t free with information. Be it his tenure as Editor of the H Law review, his voting records in Illinois or the Records at UofC, he won’t tell anybody anything without it being pried out of him.
TheBigOldDog on August 21, 2008 at 8:43 PM
man, you are a class-A asshole.
TheBigOldDog on August 21, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Obama has prevented many birth certificates from being filled out.
profitsbeard on August 21, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Credit where it’s due – I got the “flake” thing from J.R. Dunn in American Thinker.
It’s a good read.
sulla on August 21, 2008 at 8:45 PM
You two must really think McCain and his team are idiots.
TheBigOldDog on August 21, 2008 at 8:37 PM
I’ll say this, I’ve been impressed with them so far. I had indeed worried about them.
bikermailman on August 21, 2008 at 8:46 PM
IIRC, TRC is a woman, am I wrong?
bikermailman on August 21, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Good. Let’s talk about William Ayers and his dad! And Mayor Daley:
http://theunionnews.blogspot.com/2008_05_16_archive.html
(oldy but goody, long but worth it)
Or Obama and ACORN:
http://theunionnews.blogspot.com/2008/08/barack-paid-acorn-unit-at-least-850k.html
funky chicken on August 21, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Because they were probably happy to let some people pursue some silly conspiracy, wasting time and resources on it.
Its not Obamas job to save people from their own sillyness, and unfortunately, some conservatives have wasted months chasing after this nonsense.
firepilot on August 21, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Because The One didn’t think he’d have to do anything to get elected except wait for Nov. 4th to arrive.
SouthernGent on August 21, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Red herring? He’s got a pretty full closet of skeletons, and if they’re off trying to find his birth certificate, they won’t have time to focus on, say, his connection with domestic terrorists and racist anti-Americans.
emailnuevo on August 21, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Luckily, TexasDarlin and the rest of the black helicopter PUMAs have rented goal post relocation equipment, and are unfazed by this development. Ergo, hilarity continues.
ChenZhen on August 21, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Is this the same CZ from LGF?
bikermailman on August 21, 2008 at 9:00 PM
He looks like a flake to me, that was a good read.
abinitioadinfinitum on August 21, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Exit Question,Team Obama was stalling for time,until
they needed another grand distraction that they could
use it on!Me might think!
canopfor on August 21, 2008 at 9:03 PM
And yet, the still have yet to even cover the Wyoming Hoax.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 21, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Sorry being born in the CANAL ZONE circa 1930 is AMERICAN territory. Leftists dumbest clowns on the planet.
mred on August 21, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Then let’s move on to the next weird thing: why did they release it to Kos before putting it on their superfantastic fightthesmears.org? The website had a spot for it the night before it went live, to much hoopla. But when it came online, the spot for the BC wasn’t there. Kos got the first bite at the apple.
How connected is the Obama camp to Kos?
MayBee on August 21, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Well, there have been impostors, but there is no substitute for the original.
ChenZhen on August 21, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Exit question: They looked at the “genuine” birth certificate at the Obama HQ?
Couldn’t The Messiah ask Hawai’i to release a copy directly so there was no question at all?
MrScribbler on August 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Release your sphincter; that stuff will not produce diamonds no matter how tight your ass is.
I said I was kidding. Maybe you missed that in your rabid state.
The Race Card on August 21, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Sorry being born…..
mred on Aug 21,2008 at 9:11PM.
mred:The logic: Liberals can be born anywhere,and in their
minds there still Americans!
However,according to dumb Democrats,the “Republican”
had better be born in the (57 Obama)States! haha:)
canopfor on August 21, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Well, good to see another denizen of both places. I’ve not posted over there in a while, don’t a whole lot here, but I have been lurking… :D
bikermailman on August 21, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Dude looks like a lady.
The Race Card on August 21, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Someday somebody is going to knock that giant chip off your shoulder and shove up your ass.
TheBigOldDog on August 21, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Dude looks like a lady.
The Race Card on August 21, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Funny story. Late 80s, my folks went to San Francisco, they come back telling a story about my dad checking out a hot ‘chick’, and my mom and sister tell him it’s a guy. He doesn’t think it possible, gets closer and looks…hilarity ensued. They tell me the story, and I go grab my latest Aerosmith cd and play the song for them. More hilarity ensued.
bikermailman on August 21, 2008 at 9:21 PM
P.S. You kids get along now, y’hear?
bikermailman on August 21, 2008 at 9:21 PM
The media should insist on a full vetting of all citizenship documents, tax records and medical records of candidates for the Presidency. The MSM let Obama skip documentation of citizenship and provide nothing more than a 1-page medical “summary”, while passing along with abandon demagouery by Obama staffers about McCain’s tax records.
Anil Petra on August 21, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Sorry, but who the heck is FactCheck.org? I know that they have “fact checking” in their name, but is there some reason why I am supposed to have more trust in them than any other group I’m unfamiliar with? I’m not trying to be difficult, but every step in this process weirder than the one before.
progressoverpeace on August 21, 2008 at 9:30 PM
The fact that they haven’t bit is proof that they’re not.
BadgerHawk on August 21, 2008 at 9:33 PM
It won’t be you. So instead of speaking on behalf of whomever, why not tell us about what you can do?
What you have been unable to do is make a salient point and support it.
The Race Card on August 21, 2008 at 9:40 PM
I imagine there are countless situations like that with that song. Good stuff.
The Race Card on August 21, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Finally! Now this story is done. I wonder why it took the Obama campaign so long to allow a reliable media source to view the actual document. Perhaps the campaign really is that incompetent.
Anyway, next issue!
indythinker on August 21, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Only seeming reason is to create a “distraction”. It worked to some decree, but not long enough or loud enough for recoil in poll numbers.
It was a joke. You know, like Michael Richards, et al. Anyway, glad McCain didn’t bite.
Spirit of 1776 on August 21, 2008 at 9:47 PM
And what you’ve been able to do is prove you’re as big an asshole as I thought you were. Congratulations.
TheBigOldDog on August 21, 2008 at 9:47 PM
this birth certificate thing is above my pay grade
custer on August 21, 2008 at 9:49 PM
I never understood what people were so suspicious about. Nobody really effectively disputed that Sen. Obama was born in the USA and that his mother was a US citizen. It didn’t affect his citizenship to have a non-citizen dad. Obviously, he is a US citizen and having been born here he was perfectly eligible to run for President. The conspiracy theorists should be looking at his flimsy resume and wondering how he managed to become his party’s presumptive nominee!
Jill1066 on August 21, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Who are you, Roy D. Mercer?
“How big a boy are ya?”
fossten on August 21, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Good things his parents didn’t have the same view of infanticide as Barry Hussy Obama, Jr.
EJDolbow on August 21, 2008 at 10:06 PM
The COLB at Kos and fightthesmears was/is a doctored Photoshop. They removed the raised seal from the image.
Now why would his campaign do this?
faraway on August 21, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Camera Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon PowerShot A570 IS
Image Date: 2008:03:12 22:41:37
Flash Used: No (Auto)
Focal Length: 5.8mm
CCD Width: 4.29mm
Exposure Time: 0.017 s (1/60)
Aperture: f/4.0
ISO equiv: 80
White Balance: Auto
Metering Mode: Matrix
Hmmmm, either factcheck.org is in on the conspiracy, or they need to factcheck how to set the date on their camera. ;) They also should have used a flash, trying to take a picture of a piece of paper being held up at 1/60 made for a blurry pic.
n2sooners on August 21, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Isn’t factcheck.org owned/run by the Annenberg foundation, the same foundation that sponsored the Annenberg challenge that Obama and Ayers worked together on, and which we can’t get any info. about?
JiangxiDad on August 21, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Makes me wonder if Howdy Doody has a birth certificate. Maybe some puppets do have a certificate.
Travis1 on August 21, 2008 at 10:23 PM
I never thought the COLB was fake, but I now wonder how they scanned the creases out of it. Those are some pretty obvious creases that did not show up on the Kos or FTS scan.
Sue on August 21, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Here’s a question – where is the one that was issued to him when he was a baby? I’m curious to see that one, not for anything revealing or new, but just to see the original.
jtorres138 on August 21, 2008 at 10:40 PM
The COLB was frogged up on purpose. Maybe as a red herring? Other reasons?
faraway on August 21, 2008 at 10:41 PM
You think about it a lot, huh? You big tenter you.
The Race Card on August 21, 2008 at 10:43 PM
You mean Ray?
The Race Card on August 21, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I prefer diplomacy to fighting, but I’m a much better fighter than a diplomat.
I’m kinda like the UN except I have a moral code.
The Race Card on August 21, 2008 at 10:49 PM
I wonder if he got his the same place He Kexin got hers.
RightWired on August 21, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Roy D. Mercer
n2sooners on August 21, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Good question. Is it?
wise_man on August 21, 2008 at 11:15 PM
You’ve noticed, huh? Glad I’m not the only one.
wise_man on August 21, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Not so fast to give a pass. Let’s hear the whole story. Many have stated, that Barack Hussein Obama would bring back a birth certificate, upon his return from vacationing in Hawaii, and low and behold:
FactCheck.org
Annenberg Public Policy Center
320 National Press Building
Washington DC 20045
The Annenberg Foundation that Barack Hussein Obama, and William Ayers are board members of, magically produce a Hawaiian BC. This is the same Annenberg Foundation that refuses to have the University of Illinois disclose past archived records. Figure it?
byteshredder on August 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Sight of an original Birth Certificate should be undertaken by a Qualified Ombudsman for all candidates for President, since it is the law that one must be a natural-born American to be eligible.
It is of vital importance in that, if invalid, all campaign issues are a non-event.
OldEnglish on August 21, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Well, after examining the photo, I can say that we have it at least down to this,
Certificate No. 151 1961 – 010641
That shouldn’t be too hard to actually confirm, I would assume.
progressoverpeace on August 21, 2008 at 11:40 PM
I’ll bet nobody thinks about you much.
TheBigOldDog on August 21, 2008 at 11:45 PM
If I didn’t know better, I’d swear that my nephews–teenagers–were in here mixing it up with the grown folks.
baldilocks on August 21, 2008 at 11:48 PM
I know you guys are not so one-track-minded that you can’t see the difference between arguing that a document is an abstract as opposed to an original. Even this article above says that the orinigal contained more information than this curent document.
Now I am thoroughly certain that the original has embarassing information. Now a man’s heritage in no way defines his abilities. But if a man campaigns that his background makes him more qualified to be President of the US, then we have the right to ask if the facts as he presents them are true.
Obama claims that his foreign policy experience is superior because of a traveled childhood. Currently, Obama says that he was raised by a single mother. Was he? Or was he raised by white grandparents? Were this parents married or not?Dues he speak fluent Arabic? This would seem to be a good thing – unless, of course, his patriotism is suspect. So when he has 60’s terrorist friends, warships under a race-baiting black pastor, and campaigns in Berlin,it becomes fair to ask how he was influenced by being raised a million for his first decade.
This isn’t about forged documents. It’s about character and allegiances.
flicker on August 21, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Whatever people may think about TexasDarlin and the stuff over the Hawaii birth certificate, I do find her arguments and documentation on Barry’s time in Indonesia to at least meet a prima facie burden.
Whether dual citizenship or an implied renunciation of US citizenship is a roadblock to qualification for the presidency is above my pay grade. :P
Vatican Watcher on August 22, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Sorry about all the typos. I’m working from a very small screen and using handwriting near-recognition.
flicker on August 22, 2008 at 12:04 AM
That’s supposed to be “worshipped under” and “raised a muslim” among others. My apologies.
flicker on August 22, 2008 at 12:11 AM
I resent your remarks. Your nephews are teenagers; I am acting much more like a third grader.
The nerve…
The Race Card on August 22, 2008 at 12:26 AM
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/factcheckorg-has-new-birth-certificate-story/
Kokonut on August 22, 2008 at 1:29 AM
So someone born in Puerto Rico could become president of the United States?
mycowardice on August 22, 2008 at 8:37 AM
I don’t see Larry Johnson letting up, though. Time for him to smear FactCheck.org as some kind of nefarious Jewy enterprise which is part of the conspiracy against Hillary. Or something.
Seixon on August 22, 2008 at 9:11 AM
Oh, right, the Annenberg Foundation. That’s the loophole Larry Johnson and the Hillary-addicts have been looking for. Great. Just great.
Seixon on August 22, 2008 at 9:21 AM
LOL.
As per “conspiracy” theories, kindly tidy the frayed edges before completely dismissing the issue of legitimacy.
1. Fact Check sources do not list Constitutional requirements of any POTUS. Their affirmation of the Obama birth certificate is only that he has a Hawaiian birth certificate and generic birth announcement in the paper.
2. More importantly, clarify Ms. Dunham’s status as the single American parent of the POTUS hopeful Barack Hussein Obama, namely her age and her residency. Those were required points that BHO supposedly did not Constitutionally meet as a POTUS contender.
What’s the harm in playing Doubting Thomas to the illegitimate BHO POTUS wannabe? No tin foil hat is to be assigned in lieu of or prior to a thorough vetting.
Just put all the cards on the table prior to the election.
maverick muse on August 22, 2008 at 9:35 AM
Correct.
Besides being born within an American Territory, McCain was born in a US Military Installation, the child of TWO AMERICAN CITIZENS.
McCain triply qualifies.
Obama with one under-aged US citizen parent may not qualify EVERY Constitutional requirement.
The historic pattern of Marxist progressives is to take what is not Constitutionally permitted (as in illegal immigrant invasion) and then RULE the infringed law invalid. THAT is why I will remain a thorn in Obama’s side until he absolutely proves himself. It is not my job to accept the corrupt Obama on faith. It would be Obama’s modus operandi to get himself elected though Constitutionally unqualified, and then mutate the Constitution to accommodate his own existence.
It takes no conspiracy theory to doubt Obama’s reliability or to doubt Obama’s credibility or to doubt Obama’s devotion to Marx and Obama’s aversion to our Constitution’s founding principles.
maverick muse on August 22, 2008 at 9:50 AM
I love the irony of this quote from FactCheck:
Such a “sense of what’s reasonable” would be a great thing to apply to an even grander and more incredible conspiracy theory – 9/11 a la the Troofers.
I admit I was perplexed by the artefacts in the KoS scanned image, and called fake, but it really does look like this is flogging a dead horse.
Anyway, there are far more devastating angles of attack to exploit.
LimeyGeek on August 22, 2008 at 10:58 AM
The link to Texas Darlin is a useful link. Obviously set up for political purpose, it nonetheless is a source for Obama data
The fact that Factcheck.org is owned by Annenberg tells me the Obama camp is more stupid than stupid, to set up a defense from a source so easily impugned.
This feeds my paranoia that Obama is just a puppet and/or chump created to rehabilitate Hillary and then tossed aside.
Yet, the black populace would rise up if Obama is dumped so it does not compute. The Malcolm-X Factor
Are Obamians trying to so convolute the issues they knew would come from Obama’s murky background that we can no longer distinguish the good data from the bad data?
That is a lawyer’s gimmick used to make people throw away good evidence with the bad. Baby with bathwater.
The whole mess is too messy. Muddying muddy waters is not the best way to win undecided voters
The Caucus Fraud link at Texas Darlin increases my paranoia that Hillary will ‘rescue’ the convention from the failed candidate
Obama won 13 out of 14 caucuses, but only 18 out of 39 primaries. If the caucuses could be set up to be discredited that would be quite a coup.
Again the black DEMs would probably riot of Obama was dumped.
Obama would have to agree to resign, sadly, tragically in an endless tedious uplifting historic clap trap speech at the convention to once again prove how corrupt Republicans destroy blacks. Hillary could be ever so sad and promise to fight so blacks are never cheated again.
Man, this election is curioser and curioser every day
Makes the McCain side of the election a piece of cake
entagor on August 22, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Obama won 13 out of 14 caucuses, but only 18 out of 39 primaries. If the caucuses could be set up to be discredited that would be quite a coup.
a la Florida, which was set up in advance for the ‘chad scandal’. Knowing Florida was going to be close, ballots designed by Democratic politicians in key precints were just misleading enough to say it was an accident, but sufficiently misleading for the usual suspects to step forward and declare their votes were stolen. The chad shakers were already in position like vultures.
The press of course, was shocked, shocked to find out the vote was stolen and ran in circles muddying the waters while chads fell from heaven
It almost worked then
It could work now. It would make great tv ratings
entagor on August 22, 2008 at 11:11 AM
I love that kind of legal analysis. What is the basis for a triple qualification?
Maybe it’s useful to quote the constitution:
The requirements are listed in there:
- Natural born citizen
- Thirty five years old
- Fourteen years a resident within the US
There is no such a thing as triple qualifying.
mycowardice on August 22, 2008 at 11:40 AM
I believe that “triple” was in reference to qualifying as a “natural-born citizen”, not for POTUS.
progressoverpeace on August 22, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Pretty damn amazing.
argos on August 22, 2008 at 12:33 PM
AGAIN, we have never seen an image of BO’s BIRTH CERTIFICATE. We’ve only seen the computer abstract of a database.
Worst-case scenario: Osama’s BC states (1) unmarried (2) Muslim, and (3) citizenship: British Protectorate!
flicker on August 22, 2008 at 1:00 PM
It looks like we’re finally going to get a decent resolution to this. Apparently, a suit has been filed in federal court (in Philly) contesting BHO’s Constitutional qualifications. For worried conservatives, it’s an ex-Democrat operative who filed it.
progressoverpeace on August 22, 2008 at 2:19 PM
TheBigOldDog on August 21, 2008 at 9:18 PM
LoL
bridgetown on August 22, 2008 at 3:31 PM
The lawsuit’s been filed! All the docs are here too:
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-philip-j-berg-esq-files-federal-lawsuit-requesting-obama-be-removed-as-a-candidate-as-he-does-not-meet-the-qualifications-for-president
Jonas Parker on August 22, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Good for Philip J. Berg, however, he’s also a nutbar.
http://www.911forthetruth.com/
Syd B. on August 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM
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