MB4 on August 22, 2008 at 12:06 AM

And here’s another example of someone who thinks its better to punish McCain and get Obama for 4 to 8 years. Wonderful.

If McCain does not pick Romney I am not voting. Seriously. I decided I cannot stomach McCain and all his bs. I know plenty of other people like me, too.
PoliticallyIncorrectSandy on August 22, 2008 at 9:26 AM

Yeah,

Like “misterpeasea.” He’s also campaigns here against McCain. And in a two man race, and with McCain losing, Obama will be the next president. And you’ve got no problem with that at all, do you? Can’t stomach McCain and his BS. And the choice is Obama or McCain. Must be so much better with the most liberal senator of 2007 becoming president. Than traitor McCain, right?

Ironic, isn’t it.

How about Charlie Crist? He’s a level headed Governor in good standing.

SoulGlo on August 21, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Because he’s a bigger liberal then mccain.

LegendHasIt on August 22, 2008 at 1:40 AM

I think it’s just more of a sport. The right of summer in a Presidential election year. But when people like Laura Ingram go bonkers over a possible pick, it makes me wonder.

I’ll wait until he chooses a candidate. Rove said that almost all of the media/talking head speculation as to what was going on behind the scenes in 200 regarding Bush’s VP was wrong.

I hope he makes a good choice. But I’ll wait to be ‘outraged’ after he makes it.

…People sure are bored.
scotth on August 22, 2008 at 12:59 AM

Yeah, I noticed that too.

It kind of amuses me that people (from RNC big-wigs down to HotAir and FR commentators) think that their preferences, – even with good reasons why- will matter to McCain when the time comes to announce. When decision time comes, it will be a snap decision for the moment, depending on how he feels.

Will he pick a useless mediocrity to try to lose as few ‘independent-moderate-security minded democrats’ votes as possible.

Will he pick a very slightly conservative (that he can bully into mediocrity) as a very slight bone to throw to conservatives?

Or will he throw caution to the winds, pick the guy he really wants; Fellow ‘maverick’ Lieberman? and as is his nature, poke the entire Republican party right in the eye.

He will make his decision based only on what his mood is at the moment of decision… Not for the good of the party, not for the good of the nation… Probably not even for his own benefit.

In the very unlikely event that he picks a REAL conservative with a strong character, I’ll HAPPILY eat my words, and (figuratively) kiss the posteriors of every McCainiac in the place

Mark Halperin: Two GOP sources say it’s Romney; Update: NYT says it’s Romney or Pawlenty

lol. People sure are bored.

MB4 on August 21, 2008 at 10:44 PM

What outstanding reasons not to vote for McEvil Old Man McTraitor in the republican primaries.

wise taptap_man on August 21, 2008 at 10:58 PM

You are becoming ever more unhinged and I doubt that you are earning any McCain points either. So sad.

LegendHasIt on August 21, 2008 at 11:59 PM

[sigh] Very true. I suspected the same thing about the ACU ratings since there’s not a lot of detailed information about how different bills are scored.

McCain-Feingold is an abomination. Amnesty should count for -20%, especially based on the effects we’ve been able to observe since our last one.

Oh My God, he said he respected Nancy Pelosi???
The man has been in the Senate a long time

Terrye on August 21, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Nancy Pelosi is not in the Senate. John Cornyn however is and McVain said to him, “#uck you!”

You really need to take your McBlinders off once in a while.

Terrye on August 21, 2008 at 10:57 PM

The man has been in the Senate a long time, he has worked with Democrats over the years on several bills. Believe it or not, most Americans actually believe that we send people to the Senate to work on bipartisan bills for the people of the United States. They do not think it is or should be all about partisan zero sum politics where everyone just spits in everyone else’s eye.

Senators are there to represent the states. People elect Representatives to the House to represent them (hense their title!). Welcome to Civics 101… and you just failed your first test.

You know something? Kennedy has worked on a lot of bills with Republicans, does that make him one?

Name those bills.

You do not even support the war anymore, do you think that most Republicans would agree with that? I don’t.

Seems like a baseless accusation. While you may try to scare us by claiming that Obama will pull out and place our military in harm… I bet he would flip-flop at the earliest opportunity… he does on most other issues, and has already reversed many of his statements on what he would do in Iraq.

The point is that if social conservatives or immigration hardliners or whoever had gotten behind someone and supported him, then they might not be complaining today. But they didn’t, they just whined about everyone and then when McCain won they got mad. That is not anyone else’s fault. No one stopped them from voting, or giving money or anything else. They did not get behind Fred! like so many on the internet were sure they would. They did not rally around Romney until it was way too late. They did not like Huckabee, but he actually came in second.

There is some truth here. We did get behind people… but it was spread out over several… while the moderates only had one candidate. So yes, the RINO’s candidate won because our votes were spread out over several candidates. It’s important to note here that McCain never broke 50%… his support was in the 20’s and 30’s… which would seem to me that he should be catering to the conservative base instead of giving us his middle-finger.

And my guess is that they will do the same thing next time. They will squabble among themselves, let someone else pick the nominee and then complain about the choice.

Why is it OUR problem when the candidate doesn’t support our values? He’s even floating going outside the party, to someone who actively works against the Republican party platform, for VP?????

I would have supported the nominee, even if it had not been McCain.

Are you bragging about having loose standards? I have strong ideals and believe that a candidate should represent those ideals BEFORE I will vote for them.

Yet every time we raise questions and issues about the candidate, WE’RE the ones that are attacked and called names by a bunch of schoolyard bullies. Instead of beating us up, you should be appealing to us… and convincing your candidate to appeal to us. Calling us names… yeah, that’s a sure way to get our support.

I WANT to be able to vote for McCain… but every time I start to lean that direction, he pulls some dumb@$$ stunt to appeal to liberals and stick it to conservatives.

dominigan on August 21, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Wasting your breath.
I’ve laid the same information out for the McCainiacs several times, even going into greater detail and specifics. It is ignored.

If you include the House, there are actually 9 (if I remember correctly… could be just 7 or 8) DEMOCRATS that have HIGHER ACU ratings (in a few specific years)than McCain, and two Dem Reps that have higher lifetime ACU averages.

I’ve always had an issue with the ACU ratings anyway… everything is given equal weight, regardless of importance. For instance, if you not only vote for, but actually write and sponsor a law that is absolutely unconstitutional… (like say…, hmmm, maybe… McCain-Feingold)… you can offset it by voting against a bill to give a thousand dollar grant to some crappy ‘artist’ to do a display in the Hart Senate Office Building. It’s all same-same to the ACU.

JimC99 on August 21, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Well said

John McCain has voted with his party 88.3% of the time and yet a lot of people do not think he is a Republican.

Terrye on August 21, 2008 at 11:09 PM

It’s not that people don’t think he’s actually a Republican (it’s apparent that MB4’s 10:27 comment was snarky hyperbole for rhetorical effect), it’s that McCain has spent the better part of the last 8 years building his “Maverick” persona with the help of an all-too-willing media corps.

The general feeling of the guy is based on his public image over Bush’s terms — namely, that he was the one leading the (for lack of a better term) insurrection(s) in the Senate Repub. ranks, often on issues and/or policies that were stridantly supported by the Republican/Conservative base. His decisions to cross party lines to oppose issues important to the Republican base have rightly left many in that base cool to and wary of McCain.

Kick them in the teeth? Don’t you think that is a little meolodramatic. The man has a conservative rating of about 82%, that is not 100%, but it is not a kick in the teeth either.

Terrye on August 21, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Actually, I think you need to look a little deeper…

Senator John McCain’s lifetime rating of 82.3% from the American Conservative Union is often cited as proof that he is conservative. Here is a closer look at that 82.3 rating.

First, a rating of 82.3 is not really that high. It puts Senator McCain in 39th place among senators serving in 2006, the latest year for which the ACU has its ratings posted online. For that most recent year in particular, McCain scored only 65, putting him in 47th place for that year. Ben Nelson (D-NE) and Chuck Hagel (R-NE), for example, scored 64 and 75, respectively, in 2006.

So, considering the 100 senators, of which just over half are Democrats, McCain came in 47th place as a conservative. Yeah… 47th place… less than a handful of points away from being rated a Democrat. And I should feel all warm and fuzzy that he’ll represent my conservative beliefs…?

He said the other night at Saddleback that he believed that life began at conception, and that his administration would have pro-life policies, and be a pro-life administration. How does picking a pro-choice VP square with those statements?

If McCain truly believes what he said the other night at the Saddleback forum, then picking a pro-choice VP should be as unthinkable as picking a cut and run on the war VP.

Jim C

And conversely, how has saying #uck you to McCain worked out for the right?

Terrye on August 21, 2008 at 9:49 PM

We managed to get his amnesty plan defeated!

Terrye on August 21, 2008 at 10:57 PM

you realize at the time mccain said that the house repubs were in a knock down drag out w/ pelosi over multiple issues? he wasnt asked directly, he threw it in as part of an answer. it wasnt necessary and it cuts the legs out from under our congressmen. also his “broken” ad, where he says he’ll “battle big oil”, comes out while repubs are skipping the break and on the house floor daily calling for a vote on drilling. and john didnt find time to stop in and offer support. why should any repub support him when all you get are stabs in the back? as for joe for veep, no, no fucking way! too many good people have worked way too hard for the republican party for him to do that. this is the kind of thing that causes people to leave, just stay home or even form a 3rd party. and it will be john mccain’s fault cause he wouldnt support the party he supposedly is part of.