PUMA alert: “Massive” e-mail campaign to derail Obama at convention

posted at 1:10 pm on August 20, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Hillary Clinton’s supporters will not go quietly, it seems.  According to a Scripps-Howard report this morning, unnamed backers of Hillary have begun a “massive” e-mail campaign insisting that she won more votes and is the only electable candidate in 2008.  Perhaps, in consideration of the polling free-fall Barack Obama has experienced this summer, they may have a point (via TMV):

A massive e-mail and Internet campaign is under way aimed at derailing the nomination of Barack Obama and making Hillary Clinton the party’s standard bearer next week at the Democratic National Convention in Denver. …

Most of the messages Lowery has received from across the country come from Hillary supporters making the case that she won more voters’ votes in the primaries, she won bigger states, that Obama won states that won’t vote Democratic in November, and that she is the only “electable” Democrat.

I’m not sure how electable Hillary would be, but Obama’s looking pretty weak at the moment.  Having jettisoned reform, he’s not shown any substantial reason why people should vote for him, which has resulted in double-digit swings in several national polls, with Zogby/Reuters showing him five points behind John McCain.  The PUMAs may have a point, at least in terms of Obama’s prospects.

However, the insurgent campaign among Democrats has an ugly tone to it, according to some who have seen the e-mails:

A pledged Obama delegate, [county party chair Keith] Norman noted that some of the attacks are overtly racist and that in one instance Obama was likened to “the Anti-Christ.”

Hold the phone!  Didn’t Obama accuse Republicans of these tactics?  When can we look forward to Obama appearing on national television accusing Democrats of being racist and xenophobic, and especially Hillary Clinton supporters?  We have seen much more evidence of that than anything Team Obama has ever produced from McCain’s campaign or the RNC, which Obama has repeatedly smeared as racist.

Things could get very interesting in Denver next week, folks.

Update (AP): Meanwhile, what’s Tony Rodham doing meeting with top McCain aides? (Sample quote: “Poor Hillary. You can pick you friends, but you can’t pick your family.”) New VP speculation: Hillary on both tickets!


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Something like this actually meshes with the Zogby polling numbers today — The idea of dumping Obama for Hillary at the last minute is far-fetched, unless you can believably show that Barack’s numbers are in free-fall. A 15-point poll swing is about as close as you can get to that definition.

Which is why I’d love to see Zogby’s polling sample numbers for Democrats, Republicans and Independents. Some of the earlier outlier polls like Newsweek’s heavily oversampled Democrats to get their result that Obama was running away from McCain. Zogby’s numbers this morning might ostensibly be see as boosting McCain and his supporters, but polls released almost 2 1/2 months from election day have minimal effect at best on the election. Polls released five days before the Democratic Convention could have a much stronger effect, if you’re hoping to use those results as a Hail Mary (or Hail Hillary) attempt to steal the nomination.

jon1979 on August 20, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Obama needs someone with more testosterone than he has, therefor he should pick Hillary. McCain needs someone more conservative than he is, therefor he should also pick Hillary.

D*** You! I spewed lunch all over my keyboard laughing at that one! You are an evil, evil, person…

iconoclast on August 20, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Hell, McCain ought to pick Hillary for VP…priceless. That biatch would probably do it too just to stuff one up ‘ol Barry’s buttockular region…

Wyznowski on August 20, 2008 at 3:25 PM

I’m going to be eating a lot of popcorn next week.

rightwingprof on August 20, 2008 at 3:41 PM

I wonder what Zogby is trying to pull with this poll. To paraphrase Mark Twain, there are lies, d@mned lies, and Zogby polls.

The more reliable polling institutions (Gallup and Rasmussen) have been showing a slowly tightening race, with Obama still holding a very small lead nationally, but McCain taking the lead in crucial states (OH, FL, VA, MO) and closing the gap in MN and CO. If PA flips to McCain (it hasn’t yet), Obama’s in big trouble, and only Hillary could save him.

Steve Z on August 20, 2008 at 3:45 PM

I said it would get Ugly, and……..behold !!!

along with Ugly comes Strange; next will come Very Strange. I predict a non-stop Freak Show as various Dems come out of closets and cracks in the plaster

The media have been hiding the Mother of All Divides in the Demo Party, but various Clintonites are making the Split more and more difficult to disguies or cover up

Janos Hunyadi on August 20, 2008 at 3:48 PM

Sorry for being late to the party: what is a PUMA or what is it an acronym of?

Mallard T. Drake on August 20, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Nevermind: Party Unity My Ass.

Mallard T. Drake on August 20, 2008 at 4:19 PM

It’s been painfully obvious for the longest time that Hillary would win FAR more votes in the general than Obama. Huge list of reasons why, and even with all her baggage, nothing could top Obama’s. A large % of blacks would come around to her and other’s would stay home. Hillary would change the dynamics tremendously and McCainocrats would move to Hillary.

It’s been overstated time and time again about Hillary not being “liked”. Most Dems would back Hillary regardless, unlike a radical Marxist with disgusting associations like Obama, that deep-down they fear.

The GOP hasn’t even started on Obama yet. The baby-killing issue alone will sink him in the end and has been an ace-in-the-hole for a long time. Much more to come.

Many have been suckered to believe that nothing will stick to Obama. Common sense would tell you that he has much less appeal in the general and voters aren’t as dumb as we think. The Starbucks hippie youth vote and leg-tingling isn’t what we’ve been led to believe. Obama’s potential gets worse the more he is exposed as the lying, Marxist, clueless/stupid, inexperienced, trojan horse politician that he is.

Even as pathetic as McCain is, he would win if the election were today. Add 10 pts to McCain and -10 to Obama’s and you have a realistic “poll”.

Since the McCainheads think it’s all about winning, they shouldn’t be surprised at the potential of Hillary as McCain’s VP. He could just stop campaigning, do the debates, and wait for the win.

But with Hillary vs McCain? The Maverick wouldn’t have a chance. Hillary’s primary problems have been nuanced away by the MM when Obama flip-flopped and took some of them over. Driver’s license gaffes and such won’t be a big deal when standing next to open-borders McCain.

nottakingsides on August 20, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Sorry for being late to the party: what is a PUMA or what is it an acronym of?

Mallard T. Drake on August 20, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Pathetic
Ugly
Mommas
Angst-ridden

Janos Hunyadi on August 20, 2008 at 4:29 PM

A pledged Obama delegate, [county party chair Keith] Norman noted that some of the attacks are overtly racist and that in one instance Obama was likened to “the Anti-Christ.”

Again, why on earth would you believe him?

funky chicken on August 20, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Sorry for being late to the party: what is a PUMA or what is it an acronym of?

Mallard T. Drake on August 20, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Nevermind: Party Unity My Ass.

Mallard T. Drake on August 20, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Thank you for asking (and answering) a question that I was too embarrassed to ask.

stenwin77 on August 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM

When will Obama declare Democrats racist?

I thought he already did?

Jaibones on August 20, 2008 at 2:30 PM

yep

funky chicken on August 20, 2008 at 4:38 PM

“Way back in ’68… everything was so great… no way, wrong date…”

-”Tin Omen”, Skinny Puppy

Spanglemaker on August 20, 2008 at 4:40 PM

It’s not just the Blacks who would be alienated, it would be the youth vote that Obama gets. They were weaned on a steady diet of “selected, not elected” and would just stay home in November if the party elders decided that he was not electable based on a single dip in the polls.

At least that is what I keep telling myself every The Beast’s shrieking voice pops into my head.

pedestrian on August 20, 2008 at 4:51 PM

New VP speculation: Hillary on both tickets!

Well, that’d be the only way she’d win.

eucher on August 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Much as the Hillary supporters would like to dream of a revolution in Denver, the “old guard” controlling the convention would never allow her to take the nomination. First, they are tired of the Clintons, and don’t trust Hill or Bill. Secondly, and even more important, not giving the nomination to “His Holiness” would provoke a massive defection of the most solid group among Democrat voters, the Blacks. They expect 90%+ to vote for Obambi, and putting Hillary at the top of the ticket, especially with Obama in second place, would provoke a massive defection. Leaving him off completely would be tantamount to political suicide. The Dems are stuck with him, for better or (probably) for worse.

kenprice on August 20, 2008 at 5:28 PM

So, the important question is: who is Herself going to name as her VP?

Think_b4_speaking on August 20, 2008 at 5:28 PM

I would love to see Geraldine Ferraro on the podium leading this charge. Payback is an uber beeyotch!

SouthernGent on August 20, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Of course, Fred’s my choice. He’d be the very best ever. He’d handle so many fronts magnificently; he has no failing weakness as our strong VP, AG, or Sec./State.

Amen bro maverick muse, I still have my Fred08 sticker proudly on my car. Fred won’t accept the VP slot.

I think Fred’s best use would to be in a SCOTUS seat!

electric-rascal on August 20, 2008 at 6:22 PM

This election is going to get very ugly. I’ve said from the beginning that Senator Obama’s problem IS NOT racist Republicans… regardless of their views on race, they would not be voting for him anyway. His problem is racist Democrats… The problem with their “big tent” party is that their tent has long held cats and dogs (black voters and racist Democrats). As long as they ran a white candidate, they could continue to mislead the others and keep their black voters on the plantation.

I strongly suspect the exit polls on election day will not reflect the actual results. The only possible explanation will be racist Democrats fibbing to the exit pollers. That will be when you want a strong supply of fresh popcorn.

That also will create an opportunity in the next election cycle for Republicans to pursue that segment and get them to vote where their best interests truly reside.

CC

CapedConservative on August 20, 2008 at 7:03 PM

No, if McCain’s the wiz chesting his cards, the Queen of Spades better not be his choice for VP. (Maverick Muse)

ummm If Hildabeast is the Queen of Spades, Then who exactly might be the King of Spades?

/ducking and running for cover

Fishoutofwater on August 20, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones has just died of a brain aneurysm–breaking on news sites / television.

Were I a tin-foil Clinton liberal, I’d start wondering of Obama was knocking off all of her super delegates before the convention.

First the Dem Chairman that was murdered at the party headquarters, and now this–both were huge supporters of Clinton.

Enoxo on August 20, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Did they serve Uncle Teddy some Soviet style Polonium too? All we need now is mummies to come to life and burst up from under the convention floor. (No Hillary jokes now!)

Mojave Mark on August 20, 2008 at 9:01 PM

I’ve said from the beginning that Senator Obama’s problem IS NOT racist Republicans… regardless of their views on race, they would not be voting for him anyway. His problem is racist Democrats…

Yes, but Obama thinks the Democrat racists are too stupid to notice that he is black unless the Republican racists start talking about it.

pedestrian on August 20, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Sounds like HilRod has a micro emp thats
going to go off at Denvers Night of the Knives,
and its going to be nasty,

like anything the Clintons touch!!

canopfor on August 20, 2008 at 9:29 PM

I think Fred’s best use would to be in a SCOTUS seat!

electric-rascal on August 20, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Don’t tease like that!

davidk on August 20, 2008 at 10:04 PM

“Massive email campaign”… boy, will they have to change their plans when she winds up on the ticket. Then it’ll just be one gigantic love-in about how Obama and Hillary are going to “change” the world. I’ll be tuning out.

Republican on August 20, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Obama MUST chose Hillary as his running mate. Period. If Hillary steals the nomination the African American vote is lost to her. The AA’s will go 20 per cent or more to McCain out of spite. With Hillary on the ticket, Obama cannot lose. mylegsareswollen on August 20, 2008 at 1:25 PM

If PA flips to McCain (it hasn’t yet), Obama’s in big trouble, and only Hillary could save him. Steve Z on August 20, 2008 at 3:45 PM

I’ve been thinking the same thing. I don’t see what other choice Obama has at this point. He’s not going to get support from any other important blocks from his VP choice–except Hillary. If he chooses her, he would also finally have ONE accomplishment he could point to that makes him a credible “uniter, healer of divisions.” It’s a Faustian bargain for Obama to be sure, and we’ll keep the popcorn ready for when the devil comes for his due. Speaking of Faustian bargains–time to rent Damn Yankees!!! “Whatever Hill-beast wants, Hill-beast gets. . . “

The only reason I can come up with is. . . Lola doesn’t want. . . to be VP. Only POTUS for her. Let’s hear it for Hillary’s overweaning ambition and narcissism, which will likely save us from Obama-Clinton [&Clinton]!

smellthecoffee on August 20, 2008 at 11:44 PM

Hillary doesn’t want the job. Would you hitch your wagon to this :

Johnny Mac, whadya say we run a prime time Ayers ad in every major media market every day until November 1st. We could do a bunch:

- Ayers standing on the U.S. flag in the alley,
- Pictures of the Pentagon after 9-11, in flames, with flashes of the NY Times Magazine piece on 9-12 and favorite quotes (i.e., “we didn’t do enough”),
- Pictures of the Philly rowhouse debris after your maggot friends blew themselves up (”how are you enjoying hell, boys?”),
- Pictures of the dead cop’s grieving widow and partner, and the funeral service with all the cop cars,
- Pictures of the Manson loonies (who said the ads had to be fair?).

This is going to be So.Much.Fun.

Jaibones on August 21, 2008 at 12:37 AM

No. way.

funky chicken on August 21, 2008 at 12:55 AM

Nancy Pelosi tells people in Congress to vote based on three C’s: Constituents, Constitution, and Conscience. When you cast your vote as a superdelegate, remember these three C’s, and especially your constituents, without whom you would not hold the awesome position you do today. Again, and with all due respect I would like to emphasize the fact that PUMA, 4,500,000 voters minimum, will not vote for you. Yet I still hope that here, in the United States of America, elected officials have a conscience. I am convinced that you will do the right thing in Denver. Thank you!
BO spent $710,900 in PAC money.
Obama Paid
$10,000 Robert Byrd of W. Virginia (HRC won by 41%)
$10,000 Rep. Brad Ellsworth of (HRC won by 2%) Indiana
$7,500 Donnelly (HRC won by 2%) Indiana
$12,500 Baron Hill (HRC won by 2%) Indiana
$11,500 Carol Shea Porter (HRC won by 3%) NH
$4,200 Sen Jeff Bingaman NM
$11,000 Ron Klein Fl
$9,000 Sen Frank Lautenberg NJ
$7,500 Rep Joe Donnelly (HRC won by 2%) IN
$5,000 Re. Gerald McNerney CA
$10,000 Rep.Jason Altmire (HRC won by 10%) PA
$5,000 Niki Tsongas (HRC won by 14%) MA
$4,000 Rep. Dennis Cardoza
$9,000 Rep Gabrielle Giffords AZ
$4,000 Rep. Jim Costa
$7,500 Rep. Zack Space (HRC won by 10%) OH
$7,000 Rep.Charles Wilson(HRC won by 10%) OH
$5,000Sen Jay Rockefeller(HRC won by 41%) WV
$14,000 Rep Paul Hodes (HRC won by 3%) NH
$7,500 Rep Chet Edwards (HRC won by 4%) TX
$5,000 Gov Bill Richardson (HRC won by 1%) NM
$4,000 Rep Al Green (HRC won by 4%) TX
$4,000 Rep Barbara Lee (HRC won by 9%) CA
$4,000 Rep Chaka Fattah (HRC won by 10%) PA
$1,000 State Sen. Martha Fuller Clark (HRC won by 3%) NH
Pelosi Paid
$2,500 John Adler NJ
$10,000 Jason Altmire (HRC won by 10%)PA
$10,000 Andre Carson (HRC won by 2%) IN
$10,000 Joe Donnelly (HRC won by 2%) IN
$10,000 Gabrielle Giffords AZ
$10,000 Baron Hill (HRC won by 2%) IN
$10,000 Ron Klein FL
$10,000 Tim Mahoney FL
$10,000 Harry Mitchell AZ
$10,000 Patrick Murphy PA (HRC won by 10%)
$10,000 Carol Shea Porter NH
$10,000 Zach Space (HRC won by 10%) OH
$10,000 Niki Tsongas MA
$7,500 Nick Lampson
Recomandation against:
Gov. Chet Culver (IA)

funky chicken on August 21, 2008 at 1:04 AM

Perhaps, in consideration of the polling free-fall Barack Obama has experienced this summer, they may have a point….

I read this sentence and knew, before looking up at the byline, who had written the post. I’m as relieved as anyone that the Big O’s polling numbers have fallen approximately to parity with Senator McCain’s, but I’m anxious and impatient precisely because Obama’s numbers aren’t in freefall. What prompted you to write such nonsense? You’re not really ignorant of the meaning of “freefall,” are you? You don’t think we are, do you? However that may be, having already called Obama’s recent losses in the polls a “freefall,” you seem to be left without words to describe events if Obama’s polling numbers ever actually do drop into a freefall.

Kralizec on August 21, 2008 at 2:46 AM

…She ‘is the only “electable” Democrat.’
Well now, that all depends on how you define ‘electable’.

…”what’s Tony Rodham doing meeting with top McCain aides?” You answered your own question: “New VP speculation: Hillary on both tickets!” Tony’s the embassador in chief of the Clinton regime.

Christine on August 21, 2008 at 7:42 PM

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