NBC poll: McCain now within the margin of error — thanks to Hillary supporters
posted at 7:31 pm on August 20, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Yet perhaps the biggest factor keeping the presidential race close has been Obama’s inability to close the deal with some of Hillary Clinton’s supporters. According to the poll, 52 percent of them say they will vote for Obama, but 21 percent are backing McCain, with an additional 27 percent who are undecided or want to vote for someone else.
What’s more, those who backed Clinton in the primaries — but aren’t supporting Obama right now — tend to view McCain in a better light than Obama and have more confidence in McCain’s ability to be commander-in-chief.
For these reasons, Hart believes that Clinton’s speech on the Tuesday night of the Democratic convention will be a significant event. “The Democratic convention is more than a coronation,” he says. “It is an event where the words of Hillary Clinton are probably going to be exceptionally important.”
Hart adds, “The Hillary Clinton campaign may be over, but the Clinton factor remains an important part of the election.”
Maverick leads big on Iraq, terrorism, and Russia/Georgia but Obama’s up by 20+ on health care, jobs, and the environment. The X factor appears to be Hillary nuts, so devoted to their own cult that they can’t quite bring themselves to join the Messiah’s. In fact, she leads McCain by six in a hypothetical match-up, twice the margin Obama enjoys. Painfully obvious exit question: If it’s true that Obama hasn’t yet asked his VP to join the ticket, does this data force him to go with Her Majesty? According to the Journal’s breakdown, fully 11 percent of all voters say they’d vote for Hillary for president if she were running but they won’t for Obama. So diehard are her fans, in fact, that she’s had to put together a “whip team” to make sure they don’t do anything nutty to embarrass Barry O at the convention. (Would Obama’s camp let her go to that trouble if they knew she was going to be the nominee?) The hour is at hand, my friends. Which way do we root?
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The problem: How many will come to terms by election day?
amerpundit on August 20, 2008 at 7:36 PM
NBC actually published this poll? I’m shocked! I wonder how they are making it up to the Obama campaign.
rockmom on August 20, 2008 at 7:37 PM
This is positively delicious. I know at least one of these voters personally. I nearly fell off my chair when this life-long Democrat who despised George W. Bush told me that he was supporting Hillary Clinton, but if she didn’t get the nomination he’d vote for John McCain because Barack Obama clearly wasn’t experienced enough for the job.
Jill1066 on August 20, 2008 at 7:37 PM
I predict a big dog and pony show with Hillary on the ballot at the convention, the end result of which is “by popular demand, it’s an Obama/Clinton ticket!” The crowd goes wild and the Dems shoot up 20 points overnight.
Okay, “prediction” is a strong word, but if I were Howard Dean you can bet I’d be twisting some arms pretty hard to make this happen.
Citizen Duck on August 20, 2008 at 7:37 PM
The way I first read that made me chuckle a bit. Don`t think it`s appropriate for me to say why. :)
ThePrez on August 20, 2008 at 7:39 PM
WOW, Code Barak O’s!
I am going to say it… Hillary at least brought some fun to the table. If other then her evil laugh. I miss the old bag.
Okay, someone slap me now.
upinak on August 20, 2008 at 7:39 PM
That picture of Hillary is hillarious! >:D
Chakra Hammer on August 20, 2008 at 7:41 PM
Not gonna happen. You’d have to be an idiot to put your life as the only obstacle between Hillary Clinton and the Presidency :P
apollyonbob on August 20, 2008 at 7:42 PM
Is that racist?
Obama’s big failure: arrogance.
carbon_footprint on August 20, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Hillary as VP.
Okay, let’s not let us start that up again.
Us?
SteveMG on August 20, 2008 at 7:44 PM
LOL I hadn’t thought of that!
That aside she’s probably much better off waiting it out, given the current state of affairs and chancing an Obama loss, and trying it again in four years.
Citizen Duck on August 20, 2008 at 7:45 PM
Much ado about nothing for now. If this sticks past the Republican convention it might get fun!
SouthernGent on August 20, 2008 at 7:46 PM
How would you like to know that for the next 4 years that you are the only thing standing between the most presumptious woman in America and the most powerful position in the world?
pedestrian on August 20, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Note to Democratic Party: Please tell MoveOn.org to get hell out your Party!!!
terryannonline on August 20, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Which, folks, is why it won’t be Lieberman or Ridge as the VP.
bnelson44 on August 20, 2008 at 7:51 PM
Hillary doesn’t want the VP spot. Obama just opened the door for the Ayers stuff to come on out. Hillary isn’t going to associate herself with trying to justify that 20 year relationship.
You know, Barack has another 20 year relationship that seems troubling. Hmmmmm.
funky chicken on August 20, 2008 at 7:53 PM
McCain/Clinton. Best ticket ever!
lorien1973 on August 20, 2008 at 7:55 PM
The hardcore Hillary supporters know the deal. If McCain wins, he will only serve one term. Making Hillary a shoe in for winning in 2012.
SoulGlo on August 20, 2008 at 7:56 PM
You really think Baracky would want Hillary breathing down his neck in 2012 were he to win the job this year? She would spend the next four years working behind the scenes to make Obama look more foolish than normal, and he knows it.
Bishop on August 20, 2008 at 7:59 PM
No, let them keep them. It makes them lose elections.
carbon_footprint on August 20, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Looks like The Dali Bama is taking a Communist Chinese caning…
DfDeportation on August 20, 2008 at 8:01 PM
If it happens, it’s going to look awfully desperate. Bill will enjoy it. He’ll treat it as Barack’s personal apology to him. Bill will say, “I accept your apology, Barack. If we win, here’s how we’re going to push our agenda through the Congress. Better take some notes…Barack ol’ buddy.”
RBMN on August 20, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Note to Democratic Party: Please tell MoveOn.org to get hell out your Party!!!
terryannonline on August 20, 2008 at 7:48 PM
MoveOn.org “owns” the Democratic Party. Their ad even said so…
DfDeportation on August 20, 2008 at 8:02 PM
EWWWWwwwww!
Buford Gooch on August 20, 2008 at 8:03 PM
By “if it happens,” I mean Barack picks Hillary at the last minute to quell the uprising.
RBMN on August 20, 2008 at 8:04 PM
If Juan “Z-Visa” McCain doesn’t scrap his AMNESTY PLAN for Illegal Aliens, and picks for a VP somebody of the OPEN BORDERS ZEALOT persuasion, like, Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman, ol’ “Z-Visa” will drop like a rock…a word to the wise.
DfDeportation on August 20, 2008 at 8:11 PM
That’s entirely dependent on how much kissing of Clinton’s ample fanny is done at the convention.
innominatus on August 20, 2008 at 8:12 PM
If McCain scraps those ideas and enforces our current Immigration laws, he’ll win going away with as much ease as Usain Bolt running the 100 meters…
DfDeportation on August 20, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Obama has a huge 19 point lead among unregistered, bong-toking, Che-shirt wearing, hacky-sack players and the drum-circle playing, Dave Matthews Band groupies who are unsure if they’re registered to vote.
Bill Brasky on August 20, 2008 at 8:13 PM
The iceberg gets the last laugh…
http://en.sevenload.com/videos/NfyleFH-Last-Laugh
ulyses on August 20, 2008 at 8:15 PM
To keep those Hillary supporters…………
……..nominate Palin for Veep!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 20, 2008 at 8:15 PM
And yeah, Howie Dean is most likely trying anything and everything possible to try to get Hillary to accept VP. Idiot should have thought of that a few months ago. But Hillary is going to be a force in democrat party politcs long after Howie Dean is nothing but a bad memory for them.
funky chicken on August 20, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Actually, if Obama loses big and the dems lose seats in the House and Senate (yeah, a girl can dream) Howie will lose his job right pronto.
funky chicken on August 20, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Hussein is actually way behind, but the alphabet pravda are spinning his numbers UP.
And the leftists are freaking out, now.
dogsoldier on August 20, 2008 at 8:19 PM
It comes down to the fact that in the primary Hillar carried elderly voters, and they simply aren’t comfortable with Obama. Even with Hill as Veep a lot of whats already going McCain’s way still would.
eski502 on August 20, 2008 at 8:38 PM
I resent being made to feel badly for Sen. Clinton by the use of that picture.
Cindy Munford on August 20, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Strange, but for the country so true, if many could put their politics aside.
Entelechy on August 20, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Michelle Obama Suicide Watch
Found it through Ace. Funny!
carbon_footprint on August 20, 2008 at 8:51 PM
From the Crypt;
Clinton creates “Whip Team” to quell Anti-Obama Protests.
Well isn’t this special,a 40 member crack squad of Liberal
Hilrod(brownshirts)roaming the Denver “Dis-Unity” convention
to keep the peace amongst Hopey Changey Democrats and Hil-
itler Liberals!
From the scene of Rowan and Martins laugh-In,this is
Veddy Veddy interesting!!!haha:)
canopfor on August 20, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Can’t depend on Hillary supporters to win–is ploy to have her named VP? Need Palin I think even though Pawlenty and Romnet and Leiberman good men who would do good job. Need female vote.
jeanie on August 20, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Do we really want to be calling them nuts right now? I mean, yeah – they are nuts, but it’s not exactly “politic” call them that. Right now. In the middle of an election we could actually possibly win with their help.
JeffC_95 on August 20, 2008 at 9:30 PM
All those Hillary supporters will wind up back in the fold soon enough… too good to be true that they’d stick with McCain…
My prediction — this big event supposedly happening on Saturday in Indiana is yet another headfake… Bayh will probably introduce Obama and his running mate Hillary Clinton.
Take it for what it’s worth — but I think Clinton’s the pick. He doesn’t have another choice.
Republican on August 20, 2008 at 9:31 PM
I think the pick works on multiple levels.
I think it’ll hasten the inevitable political shift that is coming up. I’ve been anticipating that the current R and D parties are coming up for a major change (evangelicals moving to the D party, social liberals moving to the R party) and make for a more proper 2 party system. Each side is a bit of a hodge podge right now and neither works very well.
And I think it’ll make Obama say “f***, what have i done?” and it’ll be hummina hummina hummina for 2 months as his polls collapse.
lorien1973 on August 20, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Obama is retarded if he doesn’t pick hillary. But how can he? All those old hillary quotes of McCain being more experienced for the presidency, obama not being experienced enough, etc from the primaries will come back to haunt both of them.
lorien1973 on August 20, 2008 at 9:59 PM
I’m one of these “Hillary nuts” and the reason I am not voting for Barack has nothing to do with coming to terms the fact the Hillary lost. It has everything to do with the fact that McCain is actually qualified for the presidency.
jtorres138 on August 20, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Obama is retarded if he doesn’t pick hillary. But how can he? All those old hillary quotes of McCain being more experienced for the presidency, obama not being experienced enough, etc from the primaries will come back to haunt both of them.
lorien1973 on August 20, 2008 at 9:59 PM
With a pliant media and gobs of people drinking his poison Kool-Aid, it barely matters what she said about him… he’ll plunk her on the ticket to avoid a complete meltdown in Denver… Susan Bayh can blab all she wants about getting her hair done, etc… but she’s only getting it done because she wants to look pretty for all the press that will be in Indiana for the Obama-Clinton
gang-bangparty hosted by Bayh.Wait and see — it’ll be Hillary.
Republican on August 20, 2008 at 10:05 PM
JTorres138: Okay… but how fast would that change if Obama puts Hillary on the ticket?
Republican on August 20, 2008 at 10:06 PM
that doesn’t make her President, and Obama doesn’t have to listen to her.
Chakra Hammer on August 20, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Bill Clinton would be running the show, anyone want that?
Chakra Hammer on August 20, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Obama is dumb, but not dumb enough to pick a VP that will undermine him in every way possible for 4 yrs. Never happen.
McCain should pick Hillary. He wouldn’t have to campaign much, anybody-but-Obama-McCainheads would still shill for him, and it would fall in line with his despicable maverick persona.
nottakingsides on August 20, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Chakra — sinking poll numbers making strange bedfellows. It’ll be Hillary. Wait and see. Bill will be knee-deep in interns before the end of January 2009.
Republican on August 20, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Ahem. Didja read about today’s bit of pandering by the Obamamessiah? Why he’s out touting all the future jobs to come in alternative energy. And pledging that they will be union jobs.
Yep. You read that right. Union jobs. In a new high tech area requiring maximum speed to market. Where we have global competitors already checking out our lunch and deciding when they’ll eat it. I can sure imagine all our North American capitalists just having a belly laugh at this magical matching of a labour force to high tech manufacturing. Good luck with that Panderbama.
notta_dhimmi on August 21, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Hillary doesn’t want the job guys. Really.
funky chicken on August 21, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Yep. My mom caucused for Hillary, and she’s voting McCain. Unless Hillary is the nominee for president.
funky chicken on August 21, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Yep. And all the dem smears of McCain because he’s “too old” don’t exactly make the senior demographic feel too warm and fuzzy about Obama.
And they all know exactly who William Ayers is, and remember what he and his friends did and said. They are not going to vote for Obama.
funky chicken on August 21, 2008 at 12:40 AM
Obama leads polls on “creating jobs”?
What fools think that raising taxes on businesses is going to create jobs. I think McCain should point out that we don’t have it all that bad, but Obama’s policies could lead to a depression. Paint that picture via similarities to Jimmy Carter.
marklmail on August 21, 2008 at 10:01 AM
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See, I just knew some democrats had common sense.
Think_b4_speaking on August 21, 2008 at 10:08 AM
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Lorien, I don’t see that change happening. Read ‘A Conflict of Visions’ by Thomas Sowell, and you will see that the planks of each party are based on one of two worldviews. I can’t see social conservatives moving to the dems, nor can I see social liberals moving to the reps (though I can see some social liberals moving to the libertarians, and some social conservatives moving to the greens). Unless the parties massively change their views (like happened in the 60’s) people don’t move around much, if they have strong core beliefs.
Think_b4_speaking on August 21, 2008 at 10:16 AM
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