Pat Buchanan: “If Cold War II is coming, who started it, if not us?”
posted at 2:40 pm on August 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
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For a man willing to blame Britain for World War II, this is an easy call. Kevin Drum has already addressed the stupidity of the idea that the U.S., in Buchanan’s words, might have given Georgia “a green light” to invade South Ossetia, so read him for that. I’m more interested in the two strands here. One is the isolationist point that it’s foolish and dangerous for the U.S. to commit itself to defending foreign powers by admitting them to NATO; whether NATO membership for Russia’s neighbors would increase or actually reduce the risk of war is debatable, but on its own terms that point is fair enough. It’s the second strand that carries the distinctive Buchanan odor. Tell me if I’m wrong to read this — particularly the tender description of Putin as a “Russian patriot” — as a none-too-veiled attempt to defend Russian expansionism:
Should America admit Ukraine into NATO, Yalta, vacation resort of the czars, will be a NATO port and Sevastopol, traditional home of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, will become a naval base for the U.S. Sixth Fleet. This is altogether a bridge too far.
And can we not understand how a Russian patriot like Vladimir Putin would be incensed by this U.S. encirclement after Russia shed its empire and sought our friendship? How would Andy Jackson have reacted to such crowding by the British Empire?
As of 1991, the oil of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan belonged to Moscow. Can we not understand why Putin would smolder [Feel his pain. -- ed.] as avaricious Yankees built pipelines to siphon the oil and gas of the Caspian Basin through breakaway Georgia to the West?…
Vladimir Putin is no Stalin. He is a nationalist determined, as ruler of a proud and powerful country, to assert his nation’s primacy in its own sphere, just as U.S. presidents from James Monroe to Bush have done on our side of the Atlantic.
A resurgent Russia is no threat to any vital interests of the United States. It is a threat to an American Empire that presumes some God-given right to plant U.S. military power in the backyard or on the front porch of Mother Russia.
Whereupon he lurches into a climactic perfunctory sneer about getting Saakashvili a job at AEI and calls for Joe Biden to hold public hearings on whether Bush Knew. There’s no reason I can see why anti-NATO isolationists can’t also be pro-Georgia: Restricting the use of U.S. military force to our own “sphere” isn’t inconsistent with wanting to help fledgling former Soviet satellites protect their independence through trade, military training, foreign aid, and diplomacy. Buchanan seems to be saying otherwise, that not only should we get out of Putin’s way, we should actually informally (or formally?) recognize Russia’s dominion over those satellites. How else to read the creepy nostalgia about Yalta being a resort for Russian aristocracy or the suggestion that Putin, a guy known for bumping off journalists who cross him, reached out to the U.S. in good faith by nobly “shedding” his empire before the evil neocons slapped his hand away? (PB must be the only person left in the world who thinks Bush’s infamous assessment of Putin’s soul was correct.) To put it another way, just what does he mean by Russian “primacy” and how far exactly does its “sphere” extend? If we’re supposed to stand idly by while Moscow all but reabsorbs its neighbors, then never mind Cold War II — we’ll be right back to Cold War I. And that actually will be our fault.
What kind of isolationist apologizes for another country’s expansionism, anyway? Answer: The same kind that thinks Churchill was the chief warmonger of the early 1940s, I guess. Exit question: For people who complain so much about neocons dramatically overstating the threats from foreign powers, Birchers like Buchanan and Ron Paul sure aren’t above dramatically understating them, are they?
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So, first Herr Pat defends Hitler and now Russia? What’s the common denominator between these powers, except both being anti-American?
Aristotle on August 19, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Good heavens, the guy’s completely over the bend these days, isn’t he? No mention whatsoever of Putin’s consolidation of power in Moscow and his likely role in the murder of his political enemies.
No, the guy’s just a Russian patriot, doing what’s best for the people.
Slublog on August 19, 2008 at 12:48 PM
I’m amazed that this is on the townhall website, and not hosted on some other website that would be more appropriate.
Congrats are in order I guess to Town Hall for having a big tent and all…
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 12:48 PM
What will he say about Aztlan? Or will he just have a shot of Absolute?
cozmo on August 19, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Seems Pat is bucking for Ron Paul’s VP pick in the only team that can save America.
RobertInAustin on August 19, 2008 at 12:50 PM
I have been looking at Buchanan in askance for a while, but now I am totally done with this former-Republican-MSNBC-tool.
HawaiiLwyr on August 19, 2008 at 12:50 PM
How long before Pat Buchanan starts jus, “asking questions” about 9/11?
TheBigOldDog on August 19, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Is he really that stupid or does he just think everyone els is.
easy on August 19, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Wow. I think I have a book of Pat’s somewhere. Should make good toilet paper.
MadisonConservative on August 19, 2008 at 12:54 PM
His magazine’s website raves about Paul and compares Giuliani to a Nazi.
Or, and I’m no foreign policy expert, Russia wouldn’t have invaded a Nato member knowing that we and the other 25 nations would have to become engaged.
amerpundit on August 19, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Read the TH comments. You can tell a lot about a man based on who supports him and who opposes him.
TheBigOldDog on August 19, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Those are fair questions.
But for the rest of it, for me Pat is aging as well as the Star Wars saga.
I loved the early installments, the later ones…not so much.
pseudonominus on August 19, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Un frickin’ beleivable
jp on August 19, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Russia doesn’t share our values. Putin exercising force to improve Russia’s situation should surprise no one.
Spirit of 1776 on August 19, 2008 at 1:01 PM
This is a long-running series of anti-American articles for Buchanan who “sided with Islam” back in 2004 writing an op-ed for the Saudi Arab News. He’s a creepy throwback to the America First/Bund movement of isolationists.
There is a small kernel of truth to some of his arguments, pointing out how the Russians feel threatened and crowded by some of our moves. But then he overreaches and ruins whatever point he was trying to make.
Russia loading up Iran and Venezuela with all their latest hardware is no threat to us? Pat’s a loon. No wonder MSNBC loves the guy.
Beagle on August 19, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Somewhere along the line Pat Buchanan went nuts.
Maxx on August 19, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Pat jumped the shark a long time ago, this is just par for the course for him.
I expect uber-contrarian John Derbyshire will express similar sentiments in the not-too-distant future.
thirteen28 on August 19, 2008 at 1:04 PM
George Washington
It is classic non-interventionism that Americans used to support including Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe (the Monroe Doctrine), and many others.
The problem is that people here want war, but don’t want any benefit from the war except the war itself. Buchannan is right. We should steer clear of involvement in foreign wars that don’t threaten us directly.
ThackerAgency on August 19, 2008 at 1:04 PM
We need to get rid of and get out of organizations like the UN and NATO. This is representation without taxation. I’m tired of funding the world’s wars. . . no matter who our ‘friends’ are.
ThackerAgency on August 19, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Actually, B is a total moron when it comes to oil and gas in the Mother Land.
He doesn’t know that the people of… Italy aka ENI corp were the first to go in and start the Oil and Gas “siphon” out what little they could. Americans have and still work with ENI.
Also, that brings up another subject. The first people to drill in the Middle east were 2 mormon geologists and oil exploration guru’s that were granted the OK. Which is the same thing that the EX-Russian counties had done.
What a concept. Buchanan… look up your facts before spewing your crap!
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 1:08 PM
I’d put it more succinctly. We have become Europe’s balls. They don’t need any since they have us. We need to give Europe its balls back.
lorien1973 on August 19, 2008 at 1:08 PM
George Washington was engaged in over 10 different foreign alliances at the time of that remark. good grief.
Alexander Hamilton wrote that speech, and it was a direct political attack on Thomas Jefferson who wanted to ally against Britain and with France.
Washington and Hamilton were against that, and wanted to be neutral with that specific alliance at the time because it was two superpowers and unlike Jefferson they didn’t think France’s revelution was the same as ours(for Liberty)…correctly.
jp on August 19, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Pat Buchanan–bringing together the Looney Left and the Wingnut Right. Obama/Buchanan 08; the unity ticket.
james23 on August 19, 2008 at 1:08 PM
First, WND, now, Townhall.com. Herr Patrik Shiessenkopmeister really knows how to stink up the Conservative world, no? Why does anyone allow this shmuck webspace or airtime?
dmh0667 on August 19, 2008 at 1:09 PM
What about our obligation to democratically elected governments that have spilled and risked blood to help us with our wars? Does that factor in? There is a reason we had to airlift their troops back. Or should we have left them in Iraq to “steer clear”?
tottoritodd on August 19, 2008 at 1:11 PM
Sub and also no mention of how Putin bankrupted all the Russian Oil and Gas companies and then seized them for the “Mother Land”.
Putin has been planning a while for his “world domination” tactics.
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 1:11 PM
You should really read “Dangerous Nation” by Robert Kagan, its a complete Myth that is mind boggling, that people thing the founders were isolationist, excuse me “non-interventionist”.
Jefferson just wanted to claim Canada, Cuba…bought La….fought Barbary Pirates/jihadist.
Washington repeatedly talked about “This rising Empire”, over and over in letters, referring to USA. an “Empire for Liberty” of course, as Jefferson articulated it. and both of them fought and removed Indians.
jp on August 19, 2008 at 1:11 PM
What Russia is doing does threaten us directly, and is a direct frontal attack on our Liberty.
First its a land grab but also an Oil grab. The last major pipeline into Europe. Goal is to have the Western Economic world at his mercy. This willd destroy the economy(read Economic Liberty) and especially Civil Liberties in the process, starting with our friends in Georgia.
Cold War redux, if you can’t see that you are not a Reagan Conservative.
jp on August 19, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Once upon a time, I used to like Pat Buchanan. But, he’s gone off the deep end.
CP on August 19, 2008 at 1:15 PM
It is congruent with Washington’s own views, as evidenced by his circular of June 1783. His private correspondence also is filled with calls for self-sufficiency on a national scale and firm neutrality with other nation-states.
Spirit of 1776 on August 19, 2008 at 1:16 PM
if you think this is bad, read the lunatics at Lew Rockwell’s blog…
Useful Idiots at Lenin reffered to their ideological ancestors
jp on August 19, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Just one further note, Jefferson paid off the Pirates. Lear’s treaty provided secret payment; we never conquered Tripoli. The death of piracy and tribute was really around 1812/13.
Though people do admittedly like that narrative that Jefferson read the Qu’ran and loaded his gunpowder.
Spirit of 1776 on August 19, 2008 at 1:18 PM
It seems easy for Buchanan to declare which nations we shouldn’t stand up for in the face of Putin’s aggression, but I don’t see any example of nations who he believes we should defend against Putin. I think he would avoid hypotheticals until they actually occur, and then he’d declare that Putin is in the right.
Buddahpundit on August 19, 2008 at 1:19 PM
More or Less how the Marines came to be.
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Westward the Course of Empire Takes Its Way
aengus on August 19, 2008 at 1:20 PM
And Manifest Destiny shouldn’t be confused with European Affairs. The fathers were looking west, not east almost to a man.
Spirit of 1776 on August 19, 2008 at 1:20 PM
but in Power he did no such thing.
they did issue political domestic propaganda at the time, Thomas Paine for example, making these claims. But they didn’t mean it for all time, and especially to themselves.
they had a domestic political problem, Joe Blow was not thrilled with removing themselves from Britain and everything that went with that. They had to convince them otherwise for domestic reasons, to rally behind the new USA and minimize risk of Secession back to England.
Washington was engaged, as CinC with “foreign entanglements’ in other countries around the world at the time. Just not Britain or France, who they wanted him to fight it out.
Its a huge mistake to ignore the Politics of the era
jp on August 19, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Claiming Canada and Cuba is non-interventionalism. . . it is CONQUEST! Again, I have no problem with establishing an empire with our military where we fight in Iraq, win, and then we get to keep their oil and make them a state.
What I DON’T want is to have Russia invade a stupid little nation which domino effects us into a nuclear bomb being detonated on Los Angeles just to see if our leadership has the ‘balls’ to respond (not likely).
ThackerAgency on August 19, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Absolutely, valour at Derne. But Lear still ended the prisoner situation with a treaty and continued payment. Sadly.
Spirit of 1776 on August 19, 2008 at 1:20 PM
He sure did. Jay treaty etc. He avoided war, and he avoided commitment.
He walked a fine line, and full credit to him, but he wasn’t looking to influence Europe’s affairs. He was looking to pay of our RW debt and keep Europe out of our hair so we had a chance to grow. He thought we needed 20+ years of uninterrupted growth to solidify our nation.
Spirit of 1776 on August 19, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Medved had a couple good column on these myths last year
Responding to lies about America’s “isolationist” past and “imperialist” present
Propaganda, and Perspective, on “American Empire”
jp on August 19, 2008 at 1:25 PM
I agree. When can we expect the US to leave European soil never to return?
Buchanan values nationalism higher than liberalism and for this reason alone he is a better man than any liberal hawk who labels himself as a conservative.
GermanAtheist on August 19, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Thacker.. have you ever thought that Putin would try to take Alaska back? Canada.. who the hell cares (other then they have just as much oil and natural resources as Alaska and most of the U.S.) because who wants to attack a Maple Leaf for a country right?
Keep it grounded Thacker.
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 1:26 PM
But who is really surprised by Buchanan here?
If Buchanan believes, as he has stated, that it was wrong for us (the West) to go the assistance of Western Europe against Hitler, it makes sense that he would oppose our help to the Eastern Europeans against a (non-communist) Moscow.
Buchanan is right to be concerned that our committments must not exceed our resources. And that committments to countries that we cannot uphold only leaves us weaker and emobldens our enemies.
But he’s wrong about the motivations of Putin and he is missing the new danger that comes from the rise of these new authoritarian capitalist nations.
The threat is real, Pat. And it can’t be eliminated by feeding it small countries in the hope that the appetite will be satisfied.
SteveMG on August 19, 2008 at 1:26 PM
I think you have been going to Amsterdam and smoking a little too much.
Nationalism and Liberalism are two different thing all together. Don’t even get me started on how Germans are concerning many of their ailements of society.
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Let’s hope that when he does, we have enough military left from fighting other country’s wars to fight our own. The world knows that nobody will come to our defense like we defend other countries. America’s army should be used for America’s wars.
ThackerAgency on August 19, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Here is a better link. Is that not a stunning, magnificent painting?
aengus on August 19, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Dude, put the pipe DOWN!
You really have no clue about your 49th State, and the problems associated here.
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Medication, and as a final resort surgery, might help.
At least remove the antenna space aliens implanted in Buchanan’s head!
This clown has been irrelevant and a spouter of half-baked notions for years. I won’t even read his drivel any longer.
MrScribbler on August 19, 2008 at 1:30 PM
What Hitler was doing in Europe had no bearing on us getting into the war in WWII. We got into the war because Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. We declared war against Japan, Germany then declared war against us. Hitler in Europe had nothing to do with us fighting against them. . . but as the dude from Animal House said, did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
ThackerAgency on August 19, 2008 at 1:30 PM
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 1:29 PM
What are you talking about? You offered a hypothetical about Russia invading Alaska, and I responded. To which you replied ‘put the pipe down’. You aren’t making sense.
ThackerAgency on August 19, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Yes, let’s not hear your whataboutisms.
The German national movement was all about having a sphere of personal freedom within the confines of a national state, whose international trade policy was nationalist as well. No cosmopolitanism, no global mission, no self-destruction. Just folk and fatherland.
GermanAtheist on August 19, 2008 at 1:33 PM
By the West I meant the guarantees from Britain and France to defend Poland if Germany invaded. Buchanan’s recent book excoriates the West for making this guarantee.
Whether Germany declared war on us or not, the US was simply not going to sit by and allow Europe to be swallowed up and we not assist them.
SteveMG on August 19, 2008 at 1:34 PM
You do realize America was invaded… right? Japanese tried to take Alaska via the Alutiens Islands. Attu, Adak, Shemya, Rat Island. That was also 6 months before Pearl Harbor.
I guess that little bit of knowledge is unknown to those whom assume. When the Japanese were starting to take the Islands and come inland more, They were thinking about sending more then just the small amount of Amry troops to Alaska as it was shown that there was much Oil there 2 months after being invaded. Also the fact that even though Alaska was at the time a territory. And the reason that the Navy declared NPRA (Naval Petroleum Reserve now the National) and got some ships up here. You can still see the WWII Bunkers all over this State as well and some of the bombings. Alaska was slowly being shown it’s worth and the day Pearl Harbor was bombed, actually a few hours before, they had the Navy mobilizing to move forward to Alaska to settle the situation.
Facts Dude, keep it in the posts.
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 1:36 PM
one of Washington’s “foreign Entanglements”
In 1792, Washington offered “foreign aid” to Haiti, that nation which has become the “basket case” of the Western Hemisphere, despite, or because of, over two centuries of intervention, occupation and aid.
There was around 15 or so, such alliances of variuos sorts by Washington/Hamilton early on. All they were opposed to was Britain and France, in there period for obvious reasons. Jefferson disagreed, wanted to ally with France and fight Britain. stupidly on his part.
jp on August 19, 2008 at 1:36 PM
I’m using “the West” and the “US” synonymously.
I probably shouldn’t; but it’s easy (lazy) shorthand.
SteveMG on August 19, 2008 at 1:37 PM
This is like shooting fish in a barrel. Why read Buchanan anymore? He’s pre-9/11 thinking has made him not worth listening to.
Weebork on August 19, 2008 at 1:38 PM
You want Russia to take back Alaska? And I am not making sense. Please give me a break.
Keep your socialism issues to yourself please. I am not interested in it nor do I care for it. Germany was beautiful, but the people there have some serious Nationalistic issues that even the younger generation is starting to figure out.
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 1:38 PM
How can you be so sure? All we can be reasonably sure about is what did happen.
aengus on August 19, 2008 at 1:39 PM
A good enough example, illustrating the distinction of the new and old world and the difference in policy between. Codified by Monroe, or more specifically his SecState JQA.
Spirit of 1776 on August 19, 2008 at 1:40 PM
There were more than a few times when I was inspired by Pat Buchanan. For instance, I remember watching his speech at the republican nomination (Reagan’s) where Buchanan warned us:
And then Some time later, heard Bill Clinton misquoting him to say ‘And Pat Buchannan at the Republican convention, called for a quote: “religious war.”
And of course that was a lie. Buchanan didn’t call for one, he said there is one. Ongoing. By the left.
But this article among others from Pat really disappoint me. It’s a good thing that Buchanan wasn’t president when Hiter invaded Poland. Or when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Do we have an obligation to help those who helped us. In particular a democracy? I’m not trying to start an argument, but am wrestling with this issue myself. My grandfather escaped from Poland and for the first time I’m not sure. I believe we shouldn’t be stupid, but does moral obligation ever factor in in realpolitick?
tottoritodd on August 19, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Oh and Thacker. Russian Military planes have been invading the air space in Alaska for a couple years now. Constantly keeping the F-15’s and now the F-22’s babysitting them back to their own country.
You stay safe down there in your little State now.
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 1:45 PM
one of Washingtons foreign Entanglements
In 1792, Washington offered foreign aid to Haiti, that nation which has become the basket case of the Western Hemisphere, despite, or because of, over two centuries of intervention, occupation and aid.
Your comments are so full of crap. STFU and STFD.
Andy in Agoura Hills on August 19, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Pat’s so far right he’s left.
Rod on August 19, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Pat really lost his reason for being starting in 1989 when the Berlin Wall came down. A lot of people figured that out during his 1992 campaign for president. Some are just putting two and two together now.
jon1979 on August 19, 2008 at 1:46 PM
He would make a great Walmart greeter.
ronsfi on August 19, 2008 at 1:47 PM
It’s further evidence that the political chart is not two dimensional, but is as round as the earth. He absolutely has gone so far, that he’s now bumping shoulders with the extreme left.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Why not? When Hitler invaded Poland FDR didn’t do anything which is presumably the same course Buchanan would have taken.
aengus on August 19, 2008 at 1:49 PM
The US had been aiding and abetting our enemies long before Germany and Japan declared war. We make no distinction between enemies and those who knowingly support or provide aid to them. Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who support enemies, or who finance them, are going to pay a price.
GermanAtheist on August 19, 2008 at 1:49 PM
.
Because, among other things, FDR was secretly (and not so secretly) assisting Great Britain and France before Germany declared war on us.
It’s clear to me – and obviously all of this is historical conjecture – that FDR wasn’t going to stand by and allow all of Europe to be taken over by Hitler.
Although I guess the counter-argument is that the American people wouldn’t have supported our direct involvement absent the German declaration.
SteveMG on August 19, 2008 at 1:51 PM
To bad Ed or Allah didn’t put this in the Blog section.
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Steve and the fact we were also sending in Food to the Russians, due to their drought and really crappy winters.
That also seems to be forgotten.
But we are a Nation for the depressed.
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 1:54 PM
I really think we are losing something in the translation here. I KNOW Russian bombers are back on their airspace encroaching missions. I DON’T want Russia to take back Alaska (this is why I’m against spreading our military out across the world).
I want our military here defending Alaska instead of defending South Ossetia. That’s my point. You want to send us to every other country and leave our flank in Alaska open.
Why the hostility toward me? I love Alaska. It is beautiful and one of my favorite states. I hope to have a home up there some day so that I can get some oil revenue money without doing anything too.
I don’t see how you read my comments and took from it that I wanted Russia to take back Alaska. That’s a strange interpretation of my comments.
ThackerAgency on August 19, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Oh yes I’m well aware of that. I saw a really good documentary on the correspondence between FDR and Churchill recently. Also Hitchens covers it well in his book Blood, Class and Empire.
This was on my mind. Charles Lindberg at the time was not a fringe figure like Buchanan. The “America First” crowd were rather large back then.
aengus on August 19, 2008 at 1:57 PM
So, Putin is a good leader, he’s just worried about the Russians and the Russian economy, and possible economic issues are fine to allow military incursions.
So the U.S. sending military aid to Georgia to help American economic interests would also be ok for Pat?
No? Well that’s just weird.
If you think having standards is good, you must think Pat is twice as good, because he’s got double-standards…
gekkobear on August 19, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Haha. Thats a good line. I’ll have to remember that.
aengus on August 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM
I never said I wanted to go to Georgia. Nor do I want our Troops there.. even those who are working in NATO right now. I think Gerogia and S.O. should have been taken care of years ago and that the Russiand are also at fault for sticking their supposed hand out of friendship and letting the people of S.O. get a Russian Passport.
But Putin has a bunch of things up his sleeve.
Alaska is one of those endeavors, I can count on it. But the main issues right now it the pipelines in the former Russian States (Ukraine, Georgia, etc) but if we “help” them even when the Ukraine is asking for a Missile Shield from the U.S. all it is going to do is Tick Putin off more and make his puppets do more harm.
Putin is out for something… but the issues is not what, but when.
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Yes, but that was, it seems to me, before Hitler went into Czechoslovakia and Poland.
If I recall correctly, American public opinion gradually shifted away from the American First crowd (as you said, very popular and large) as Hitler’s intentions became increasingly clear.
It’s clear that the US and Hitler were on a collision course unless we completely abandoned Britain and France.
Something which FDR simply wasn’t going to do.
SteveMG on August 19, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Might still go there today. Or tomorrow.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 2:04 PM
That is definitely true. Hitler’s little-known second book was about his plans for America. It was published years after WWII.
aengus on August 19, 2008 at 2:05 PM
maybe.. who knows.
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Have anyone else remember the Bill Clinton quote where he said Buchanan “called for a quote: ‘religious war’ on democrats?” I recall he was speaking to an audience, who were then sufficiently outraged at Bill Clinton’s version. As with so many other news events ‘before the internet’ or at least, before this time where just about everything is documented – I can’t find reference to this from a internet search.
I’m curious if anyone else caught Clinton’s version where he misquoted Buchanan.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 2:12 PM
In a lot of ways I agree with you, but I think your comments are only rational in an ideal world. If we see to our own concerns and allow Russia to re-absorb independant nations then Russia gets stronger. If Russia gets stronger then what is to stop them from attacking us? When does the constant encroachment of an enemy become our problem? I suspect that when Russia (or any other power) actually lifts their hand against us we would be doomed by your equation. That’s why isolating ourselves doesn’t work.
As an alternative, I would say that evaluating the benefit of all interactions internationally based on their merits to us as Americans rather than according to some ethical or moral ruleset would be better. I’m no foreign policy expert though so there’s almost certainly a catch in there.
blankminde on August 19, 2008 at 2:13 PM
He’s always been nuts. John McLaughlin has been spanking him for years.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 19, 2008 at 2:24 PM
This is the face of the McCain hating “True Conservative.”
Not an appealing spokesman, eh? It’s good to see more conservative new media folks uniting against this guy. It’s very damaging to the GOP when the MSM presents him as popular with mainstream republicans.
funky chicken on August 19, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Darn, and here I thought Buchanan would just say “The Jews” and be done with it.
BKennedy on August 19, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Bah, just when Bat Puke-Annan makes one good point, a week later he will go and screw everything all to pieces again. He has a remarkable ability to show remarkable naivete and remarkable ignorance in remarkable situations.
MB007 on August 19, 2008 at 2:46 PM
The Late William F Buckley threw Pat Buchanan under the bus. I see no reason even after his death to question Buckley’s wisdom, especially on this point.
Sekhmet on August 19, 2008 at 2:47 PM
This guy is a ridiculous crank. Can we file him next to Ron Paul and move on?
bj1126 on August 19, 2008 at 2:47 PM
I appreciate your comments blake. But I go back to a comment I made several days ago. It depends on OUR posture. WE were not attacked. If Russia ‘wins’ in Georgia, they didn’t ‘beat’ us unless we approach it that way.
Russia is not attacking the US. The answer to this problem is to make Russia our ALLY. ALL of our foreign policy endeavors over the last 20 years should have been directed at making Russia our greatest ALLY in the world (not toothless, inept, impotent NATO). Russia is now and always was our only threat to being the sole super power.
Instead of confronting Russia with missile shields (which really aren’t needed if Russia is an ALLY), we should partner with them on things other than the space station. Our oil and their oil together would isolate OPEC.
Instead, we take the posture of an enemy. So they get closer to Iran, Venezuela, China and say ‘who needs the USA when they aren’t going to help anyway’?
We shouldn’t have condemned them for Chechnya. I would have expected our government to respond the same way to muslim terrorists. Yet we condemned them for it (like an enemy).
We never got past the cold war rhetoric. In some respects (especially the Pentagon) the cold war never really ended. The Pentagon didn’t want it to end.
ThackerAgency on August 19, 2008 at 2:55 PM
It’s all about striking that perfect balance, I guess.
As well as, if you are aware of a threat, and ignored it (or didn’t properly address the threat as is developed) you would certainly not want to be the one who allowed the danger to grow until it showed up at your door. At that point, the grieving nation can legitimately demand to know you why you knew this was coming, and did nothing about it.
In other words, not all threats from foreign powers are overstated, if they have the potential to be realized. Some threats, however, are empty. What a difficult question it is to determine which ones are which. Personally, I’d rather be safe than sorry. And of course it’s not appropriate to send an overwhelming response to every identified threat, because that would be quite counterproductive in the long term.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Maybe Saakashvili can take the spot at AEI vacated by Ledeen. So was even the AEI embarrased by Ledeen?
dave742 on August 19, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Stongly Worded Letter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2585060/US-left-isolated-over-Nato-plans-to-maintain-relations-with-Russia.html
Perhaps it’s time to let Vlad have Great Britain.
funky chicken on August 19, 2008 at 2:57 PM
More appropriate.
MB007 on August 19, 2008 at 2:58 PM
Seems like Pat has gone Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 19, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Question…
What would AMERICA do is all the sudden there was a Russian allie, with Russian Troops, which was part of an anti American Alliance, sitting on our border?
Take a good look at Cuba folks. We’ve kept those people in poverty for 50 years, after trying to invade them…
Buchanon is correct in one way. All powers have a sphere of influence that they believe is crucial to their defense…. the Russains call this the Near Abroad…
We have been busily making them part of an anti RUSSICAN alliance…
The Bush admin is so convinced that they are right, and that Democracy is the end all be all of all political problems, that they poked a stick in the eye of the Russian Bear…
Was STUPID to do it now when we are commited elsewhere, and have so many other things on our plates.
Romeo13 on August 19, 2008 at 3:02 PM
This is getting to be more stupid,stupider and stupidest!
If I here one more person(clown or idiot) say its America’s
fault,when the USSR(is about to ethnic cleanse Georgia)!
(Sarc.),Well,ya know,if it weren’t for all those neocon
policies,ya know the world would be such a happier and
nicer place to be,(as i vomit)!
Wait till all the Lefty talkin shows(USE)Pat,and equate(Pat)
as the Republican Party mascot,and launch into a tirade as
to why everyone should vote Hopey/Changey(sorry,i have to
vomit again)to save the planet even tho the F&#$%$Kin(USSR)
Russian’s F#$%#$Kin started it!
canopfor on August 19, 2008 at 3:02 PM
This is a wake up call for all aging Americans. There needs to be a clause for when you lose your mind, especially if people are broadcasting the idiotic things you have to say.
My kids know that the first time I wear a white belt with white shoes, it’s two in the back of the head for dad.
Hening on August 19, 2008 at 3:02 PM
A lot of the McCainiacs have accused me of being a Buchannanite (Those who haven’t accused me of being a Obama operative… and some have accused me being BOTH)
Let me just say that I have always thought that he went, literally, quite insane about the time that he ran for President in 2000, and that he was a little ‘iffy’ for a few years before that.
This most recent screed of his should be ample evidence at a competency hearing, even in front of a Clinton Appointed judge that he should be committed to a rubber lined room with no access to pens, pencils, paper or computer, for his own and for the public’s safety.
LegendHasIt on August 19, 2008 at 3:04 PM
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