Double gulp: Source says Lieberman’s staff busy building dossier on him; Update: “I’m not the guy,” says Biden; Update: Pawlenty leads short list?
posted at 4:55 pm on August 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Could have gone in the other thread as an update but that one’s already Dramamine-worthy. How apparently serious has the vetting process gotten? If Politico’s to be believed, serious enough that the research director of Joementum’s 2004 presidential campaign is involved:
Top aides to Joseph Lieberman have reached out to former staffers in recent days with “substanative questions” about the issue areas they worked on while working for the Connecticut senator, according to a source close to Lieberman…
Without saying defnitively that the information-gathering was being done to share with McCain’s campaign, this source said “it would be unusual if not in the context of being vetted.”…
Another strong clue is that one of the former aides contacted was Lori McGrogan.
A longtime Lieberman aide, McGrogan served as Research Director on the senator’s 2004 presidential bid where she was tasked with investigating her candidate’s record as well as those of his Democratic primary rivals.
Meanwhile, ABC corroborates NR’s report that not only were top McCain aides calling around to float the idea of a pro-choice VP yesterday but they’re still doing so today. Exit question: Have we officially reached crisis stage now? Time to start phoning Maverick HQ and begging them to cease and desist? It worked with amnesty! (Well, no, not with McCain it didn’t.)
Update: Might as well dump all the VP rumormongering into one thread. Granted, every potential nominee denies that they’re being considered, but would Biden really say something this definitive with Obama’s choice (allegedly) having already been made?
As he pulled out of the driveway in the driver’s seat of his car he then said to the press gathered near his gate, “You guys have better things to do. I’m not the guy.”
Update: It’s … it’s a head fake! “Some conservatives went so far today as to suggest that the McCain camp was raising the issue of naming a pro-choice running mate just as a way to woo moderates, even though he has no intention of doing so. And it all comes as we are receiving word from Republican and conservative officials that pro-life Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty has moved to the top of McCain’s vice presidential short list.”
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Well if you believe the bill is morally wrong than why do you even care if it increases or decreased Dem registration, it should be an absolute non-issue.
terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 6:28 PM
He also mentioned Saturday nite at Saddleback, that Meg Whitman was someone he looks to for advice
ConservativePartyNow on August 19, 2008 at 6:29 PM
What I care about is a political party rewarding illegal behavior all in order to fatten their registration rolls.
RobertInAustin on August 19, 2008 at 6:31 PM
I guess my issue is that when taking a side of an issue I’m bothered by people focusing on the political ramifications and not if the decision is right or wrong.
terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 6:35 PM
What are we supposed to do? Pretend he is doing us any favors? The man has screwed us every chance he had and we are just supposed to pretend it never happened?
Maybe we should just take Clayton “Claytie” Williams advice and just lay back and enjoy the rape. As he said “”As long as it’s inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it.”
RobertInAustin on August 19, 2008 at 6:36 PM
Well, unfortunately we don’t live in a world were politics and moral issue remain hermetically sealed from one another.
I see where you are coming from.
RobertInAustin on August 19, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Why would anybody “stay home” based on a Veep pick? It’s looking like the Dems are gonna have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate anyways, so why does it matter? If he picks somebody like Liebs to appeal to Dems and mods, why does it matter? I won’t like it, but if they think it helps us win (which I don’t and I don’t think they do either), then I would understand the pick. The Veep isn’t going to mean squat once the polls close. You can at least WAIT FOR THE ACTUAL PICK before you start declaring that you’re staying home (a de facto vote for He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named). I have no idea who he’s going pick and neither do any of you (except for JetBoy, who I’m convinced must have some sort of inside info to be soooo sure that it’s Crist), so stop speculating and stop bi*ching about it before it happens.
malan89 on August 19, 2008 at 6:39 PM
I know … it was the “Summer of the Shark.” We were all too busy worrying about being eaten alive on the beaches and cowering in fear while watching Shark Week on the Discovery Channel.
Big S on August 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Like the people that oppose some sort of Representation in Congress for the people in DC (like letting their “Delegate”, Eleanor Norton, have an actual vote in the House and letting the residents of DC have a vote in the MD or VA Senate races) just because they know it would be an extra Dem vote. If it was a Republican area, we’d be all for it. Some people simply have no principles.
malan89 on August 19, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Of course not, but YOU asked the question why was it called the “Death of the Republican Party Bill.”
It is both morally wrong and has serious political ramification.
You do know one thing can be both, right?
EJDolbow on August 19, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Yeah
RobertInAustin on August 19, 2008 at 6:48 PM
As the Senate Turns, So do the Veeps of our Lives.
Ok I am just bored out of my mind concerning Veep’s anymore. Anyone else?
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Really Terrye? You don’t think McCain ever lied? Fact is he blatantly lied in order to get through the Republican primaries. He lied in order to dupe Republicans into voting for him when he needed the votes. Once he was done with them he immediately began repositioning and did what he does best and stabbed those he used in the back. Remember that little statement he made at the height of the primary process that had something to do with “having got the message”? In case you forgot:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/22/quote-of-the-day-273/
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/261813.php#261813
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/22/shamnesty-john-mccain-is-back-in-full-force-no-he-never-got-the-message/
As Allah wrote:
I believe when Allah wrote the phrase “gullible idiots” he was making reference to, well, you.
And if McCain wasn’t personally lying all he did was send out his potential VP selections to lie for him:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/05/video-liebs-says-mccain-did-not-support-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens/
And how about that little incident when McCain and Kennedy were trying to shove that horrific bill down our throats and they stacked all those boxes outside in front of a mass of reporters and photographers? Remember that? Remember how they tried to tell you and I that they were filled with letters written by individual citizens in support of their Amnesty plan? Remember that? Remember how one reporter was sharp enough to ask to see the inside of any one of the boxes and, as a result, they were forced to admit that all the boxes were empty? Remember that? If not here’s a small refresher:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1854158/posts
And how about Juan Hernandez? He’s supposably been looking into that situation for quite some time now:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/04/mccain-finally-gets-a-question-on-juan-hernandez-ill-be-happy-to-look-into-it/
As Allah states McCain uses that “I’m looking into it” lie when he wants to continue doing as he originally intends but just doesn’t want to deal with the inconvenience of actually telling us about it. You know, essentially lying. And for who? This guy?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i7dyp_nK_Q
Good luck with your support for this low down liar.
Zetterson on August 19, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Mr. Zetterson, both Obama and McCain are liars?
What do you suppose we do?
carbon_footprint on August 19, 2008 at 6:58 PM
And the Obamaessiah is any better. I will eat a worm!
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 7:02 PM
You can make your own decision in that regard. I’ve decided not to hold my own mini election amongst friends. Each person is going to pander and bribe me in an effort to convince me to write in their name for POTUS. May the best woman win. One things for sure though, my vote is not going to Obama or McCain.
Zetterson on August 19, 2008 at 7:03 PM
I think McSquish has forgotten the first rule of Veep picks:
First, do no smarm.
misterpeasea on August 19, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Obama is no better. So you can just go ahead and put that worm down.
Yes I know that most elections are between a turd sandwich and a giant deuche but these two are so horrific that I can’t bring myself to support either one. It is not going to be possible for me to vote for either one of these scumbags.
Zetterson on August 19, 2008 at 7:07 PM
How long have we all known that McCain and Obama were the two who were going to go at it? Months?
If you don’t like it then get off the blog and move on. Besides this is about the Veeps…
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 7:09 PM
Generic Dem politician,
“Oh crap here comes Obama, quick hide in that bathroom, he’s going to ask me to be Veep, dang hes’ following, call security, sneak me out the basement, no-one wants to be stuck with this commie, hopey, dopey, changey, loooooser, except Hillary and you know why that is, Arkancide, security, Seeecuuurriitty, get me away from this guy, No 0, No, I don’t want to be veep, I’ve ah got other things to do ah, a gold fish to take care of, see ya 0, Best to your silenced wife 0″
dhunter on August 19, 2008 at 7:12 PM
I was only addressing terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 6:35 PM, not the comments that came before it. I was just providing an example of people being against something that is right just because it has negative political consequences. I have no idea what your discussion was about (and I may very well agree with whatever point you were making), but I’m pretty sure the article you linked to had very little/nothing to do with what I was referring to. Redrawing local County Council districts for partisan gain has nothing to do with denying 590,000 taxpayers the right to the same Representation the rest of the country has.
malan89 on August 19, 2008 at 7:14 PM
Head fake number 25?
Will John find true love with Joe? Will abused conservatives finally divorce him?
Stay turned for another exiting episode of “As the
StomachRumor Mill Turns.MB4 on August 19, 2008 at 7:16 PM
I hope Biden isn’t the guy. I hope “the one” picks Big Daddy Kaine. Cause that has a lot of potential for a lot of satire..
I loves me some satire.
Dr Evil on August 19, 2008 at 7:20 PM
and the mccain sheep are still shilling for this guy. he is hurting the party in a serious way. down the ticket races will be hurt more than helped by a friggin’ democrat as our vp candidate! and this just makes a split more and more likely. way too many people have worked hard for the party for many years to be treated this way. we need some party leadership to jerk him in line or send him on his way. a floor fight at the convention would be awesome!!
chasdal on August 19, 2008 at 7:27 PM
I apologize for cross-posting. FoxNews will be showing a one hour documentary on Sen. John McCain tonight at 700 CST. Interviews with Sen. John McCain’s colleagues, friends and critics explore his character and conduct.
They had one on the Lightworker last night but 15 minutes was about all I could watch.
carbon_footprint on August 19, 2008 at 7:28 PM
Time will be the best vindicator.
I predict that there will arise such on a cry on HA when McCain gets into office that it will create an internet echo that will cause self generation spontaneous postings on discussion boards as it ripples for years across cyberspace. It will be “THAT SOB STABBED US IN THE BACK!”
I will attempt to comfort them as they cry and and ask me “True Conservative, how could he do that?” I will reply “Well, True Reagan Conservative, you are the one who never took his past actions as predictors of his future performance into consideration. Take comfort TRC, at least I haven’t said “See, I told you so.”
RobertInAustin on August 19, 2008 at 7:33 PM
I tivo’d that one…woke up in the middle of the night, so watched it. Wasn’t bad…considering the subject matter. But say anything remotely bad about The One, and the nutroots prob went nuts. They did manage to get in Michelle O’s intro with “my baby’s daddy” in it…
JetBoy on August 19, 2008 at 7:35 PM
It’s going to be comic gold when he announces Carly Fiorina as his choice, which nobody saw coming.
crscott on August 19, 2008 at 7:39 PM
Of course people saw ‘Fiorina coming’. A whole lot of us bitched about it here at HotAir when hers was one of the first names floated as a potential VP pick a few months ago.
Heck, I’d prefer Lieberman to that over-rated, incompetent…. whatever.
Neither one of them would surprise me. They would only confirm what I’ve been saying about McCain all along.
LegendHasIt on August 19, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Ooops, I guess I should have used some symbols.. I didn’t think that word was over the line.
The post that got held up for moderation was to say that Fiorina would hardly be a surprise to a lot of us.
And that neither she nor Lieberman would be a surprise to those of us that actually understand McCain.
LegendHasIt on August 19, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Zetterson:
You are off the deep end. McCain is a politician, and far more honest than most. And NO I do not believe he lied to you. I think it is very important to you to feel that way. I think you enjoy the feeling of moral outrage, but I think it is misplaced and unfounded.
Terrye on August 19, 2008 at 8:06 PM
We liochelidae zoologists understand McCain very well.
MB4 on August 19, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Spread the news that she is here, to rage at the outraged, to place the misplaced and to found, to found, to found … … .. to found the unfounded!!!
El Terrye rides again!
And remember Terrye, there is no shame in defending the indefensible, only dressing poorly while defending the indefensible.
MB4 on August 19, 2008 at 8:20 PM
MB4:
Oh please. I am not going to waste time on this debate. It is pointless. There are hardliners out there who will never be satisfied on this issue. Nothing will ever be good enough, secure enough, tough enough to please them. That does not apply to everyone and anyone who is concerned about the issue, but when it comes to rage filled rants about how they have been lied to, I just don’t think there is any point in debating the subject.
Terrye on August 19, 2008 at 8:23 PM
I saw this on Pawlenty and thought it was interesting:
Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty’s evangelicalism has become one of the planks in pundit-class conventional wisdom about his chances of winding up John McCain’s running mate.
Back home in Minnesota, ironically, Pawlenty’s religion is little known and seldom discussed. The governor himself has rarely alluded to it publicly. But its impact on his policies and actions has been far-ranging. During the spring 2008 legislative session, to take a recent example, Pawlenty effectively gave the arch-right Minnesota Family Council a seat at the legislative bargaining table, informing Democratic leaders at the Legislature that they needed to obtain the Family Council’s approval on their comprehensive sex-ed bill if they wanted to avoid a veto. (Democrats subsequently gave up on the bill; details below.)
Below, I take a point-by-point look at what Pawlenty has said and done through the years on a number of the evangelical right’s perennial pet issues.
Abortion
Pawlenty pushed for the “Women’s Right to Know” bill as House majority leader and signed it into law as governor. The statute mandates a 24-hour waiting period before an abortion can be performed, and also stipulates that a physician must provide information about the risks of abortion and pregnancy. Pawlenty’s former health commissioner, Dianne Manderbach, came under fire for providing inaccurate information about breast cancer risks supposedly associated with abortion, a frequent talking point of the religious right.
His campaign literature says he opposes late-term abortion and public funding for abortion.
Eric Magnuson, a Pawlenty friend appointed by the governor as chief justice of the Minnesota Supreme Court, wrote a friend-of-the-court brief for an anti-abortion group challenging the public financing of abortion services.
Pawlenty has spoken at March for Life rallies. In 2006, he alluded to a desire to have Roe v. Wade overturned, saying: “We have a dream today that someday soon this will not be an anniversary of sadness, but an anniversary of justice restored.”
Terrye on August 19, 2008 at 8:27 PM
I completely agree.
The irony is that it has not been the GOP that has driven me away from voting for them, but the GOP-supporters and GOP-voters who have driven me away. I’m done siding with people who keep telling me that I have to vote for the GOP or else. I’m done siding with people who were so outraged – OUTRAGED! – over Amnesty one year and then tell me I have to vote for the man who led the charge on that issue the next year. I’m done siding with people who express outrage over global warming and against those who demonize oil speculators and those who lead McCain-Feingold and those who lead the Gang of 14 and those who railed against the Bush tax cuts saying they were tax cuts for the rich… and then tell me that I have to “get over it” and stop being part of the “extreme right wing” and get in line and vote for someone who doesn’t represent me in the least. And, if I don’t, well then I’m a f*cking idiot.
Well, f*ck that. I’ve had it. I sided with these people the last few years, because I thought there were people out there like me who believed in something and had morals and values and principles and fought for those morals and values and principles. And put principle above politics and above Parties.
But now I see none of that matters. No matter what McCain does or says, it is vote for him or else. Get over it or else.
With that attitude, nothing will change in government and nothing will change in politics. Because politicians know they don’t have to do jack squat, because their supporters will support them no matter what. Brilliant.
Michael in MI on August 19, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Terrye, according to some I may be off the deepend but one thing I will never be is a hypocrite. I call them as I see them. If my guy is a liar and a fraud I will take the blinders off and admit that he is a liar and a fraud. I ask you, is there anything McCain could possibly do to turn you against him? I think not.
Zetterson on August 19, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Zetterson on August 19, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Come on, man, get with the program here. You’re supposed to forget everything McCain has ever said or done, forget everything you stand for, forget everything period. The only thing that matters is that McCain is not Obama and Obama will destroy this country, so Vote McCain or Die!!!!!!!! And if you don’t, well, you’re not really a conservative.
Yeah, what inspiration! I, like you, have had it.
I see now that people don’t really care about all the issues about which they claim to care. Amnesty? Who cares. Global warming legislation? Who cares. McCain horrible on the economy? Who cares. McCain rails against oil speculators and proposes some stupid summer tax? Who cares. McCain flip flops on drilling? Who cares. McCain against the fence then gives rhetoric to appease his detractors, but really isn’t going to do jack squat about it? Who cares.
Well, I used to care. About issues. But I see now that people only care about parties and politicians, no matter their lies and horrible positions on issues. In the end, they will sacrifice everything just to defeat their opponent, and get nothing in return, when their candidate of choice goes back on all their ‘promises’.
Michael in MI on August 19, 2008 at 8:52 PM
From what I have read here from HotAir commenters the past few days, I would guess that there is nothing McCain could possibly do to turn any of them off to McCain. McCain could be as Left as Lieberman (and he almost is) and they would still say we HAD to vote for him, simply because he is less Left than Obama.
Michael in MI on August 19, 2008 at 8:55 PM
As a VP, Senator Lieberman would be quite useful as a foil to McCain. Lieberman seems like the loyal type and would toe the line on domestic issues as McCain wants. However McCain would have a powerful political weapon in Lieberman to bash the Dims on national security issues.
Problem is, the VP is next in line. Let’s face it, McCain at 76 could pass away in office leaving President Lieberman, and I disagree too much with Lieberman on economic issues. Question for the hard righters on this board–if Lieberman came to convincingly renounce his abortion position, that cannot be the only reason you don’t want him on the ticket, is it?
I would love Lieberman to be a Secretary of State or of Defense and would love to seem him campaign as a future member of McCain’s cabinet. We’d get all the positives of having Lieberman on the ticket without the negatives.
BryanS on August 19, 2008 at 8:58 PM
I don’t think Mav understands that you can’t “go it alone” and “be a maverick” while simultaneously trying to attract votes.
He seems to think that for each Republican/conservative he drives away, he’s attracting a Democrat/liberal or a moderate/unprincipled.
misterpeasea on August 19, 2008 at 9:03 PM
McCain is my type of Republican. I am not a fan of the big government social conservative policies of the Bush administration, but I sure as heck voted for him. I rarely find exactly the candidate I want–McCain is as close as I’ve found, certainly on the presidential level, since I could vote in ‘96.
Where were the social cons during the primaries, huh? The primary field of acceptable staunch social conservatives sucked big time. You would rather field a horrible candidate that will surely lose than one who is closer to your views that can win?
BryanS on August 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Here are some reasons.
Let me summarize: Liberman is a liberal Democrat. An orthodox liberal Democrat. Who holds liberal Democrat views and policy positions up and down the line.
Except for Iraq.
If John McCain picks a liberal Democrat for his running mate… Let me put it this way: how COULD he pick a liberal Democrat for his running mate over every single Republican in America? He’d have to be brain-dead.
It wouldn’t be surprising, though, in light of his previous flirtation with the Democrat Party and John Kerry(!).
misterpeasea on August 19, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Zetterson:
I am not going to play this little game with you. I have been listening to people like you complain about McCain for months. It is not as if you do not get to say your piece, it is not as if I have not heard it a zillion times before.
You say McCain lied to you because he said he got the message and of course since you can read his mind you know for sure he is full of it. Hence you bitch about McCain and let the guy who wants to give drivers licenses to illegals the keys to the Oval Office. All because you care about integrity unlike the rest of us.
yeah right. Is there anything McCain could do to turn me off? What a stupid question.
Terrye on August 19, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Thank you. I’m glad someone else on this blog agrees there is more wrong with Lieberman than abortion. There seems to be a singular obsession with abortion to the exclusion of other reasons Lieberman would not fit.
BryanS on August 19, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Don’t tell me, McCain almost became Kerry’s VP.
Right?
Three times!
Right??
So – McCain’s like a – THREE TIME DEMOCRAT VEEP!!!/
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Zetterson:
I did a post and it disappeared. And life is too short to do it all again.
Is there anything McCain could do to turn me against him? That is a ridiculous question. Is there anything he could to do to satisfy you? Of course not, you just know he lied to you because you just know he did not get the message because you can read his mind or something…etc.
So we will sit back and let a guy who plans to give drivers licenses to illegal win the Presidency. Makes sense, if you all you care about is complaining when your guy does not get the nomination.
I don’t just care about party. I do care about issues and that is why I do not want to see Obama win.
And John McCain is a very well respected man in this country. Certain people on the right and left do not like him, but overall he has very well admired. That is just a fact.
Terrye on August 19, 2008 at 9:18 PM
misterpeasea:
That nonsense about McCain flirting with the idea of being Kerry’s running mate has been debunked time and again and yet people just keep throwing it out there. It is not true. It did not happen. No doubt Kerry did not mind making a little trouble but the whole thing was nonsense. Just like the Kos kids saying McCain stole the cross story. Why not just ask the man when he stopped beating his wife?
Terrye on August 19, 2008 at 9:21 PM
With respect, just a couple of questions?
If I could ask, how many presidential elections have you voted in?
One more: Now that things have not gone your way what are you going to do about it?
Please don’t read anything into these questions. I’m just curious.
Rod on August 19, 2008 at 9:24 PM
And btw, Ronald Reagan actually was a Democrat at one time.
Terrye on August 19, 2008 at 9:26 PM
How about this for a stab in the dark…
McCain announces not only VP, but key cabinet positions putting Liebs, Mitt, Rudy, etc. out on the stump at the same time…
phreshone on August 19, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Very true. Does anyone else get the feeling that hippies messed up the Democratic Party in the 1960s and they still haven’t get the hint: Ignore the flower power!
terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Here’s something I just learned about McCain that I had not previously known. In the fall of 1983 he went against party lines and voted against keeping the Marines in Lebanon. Five weeks later the bombing at the Marine barracks took place.
Also, he has cheated death at least three times.
carbon_footprint on August 19, 2008 at 9:34 PM
If there was internet forums back before when Reagan was running for office, Terrye, I’m sure there would have been comments such as: “We can’t trust this Reagan!” and “Carter wont be that bad!” and “He cheated on his wife!” or “He was a democrat! We can’t trust him!” as well as “He was AWOL in WW2!” maybe “Why should I vote for Reagan when you are telling us we can’t have Carter! You just want ‘anyone but Carter! See! This proves that Reagan should have to earn my vote!” and the ever popular, yet timeless “I don’t know why I should be forced to vote for Reagan – Maybe we should throw the election and try again in 4 years!”
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Did you just watch the Fox News program on McCain? Yesterday it was Obama.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Oh and don’t forget: OMG! Ronald Reagan is like so old!
terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Especially late in Reagan’s second term, he did receive a lot of criticism for reaching out to Gorbachev from ranks on the right. He turned out to be right when he recognised in Gorbachev a Soviet leader willing to take on reform. Reagan would have been called all kinds of horrible things on forums like this in his day
BryanS on August 19, 2008 at 9:43 PM
You know, I knew I would forget the best one. Thanks.
“He might die, we need to base our vote on his VP choice!”
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 9:45 PM
wise_man:
No doubt. In fact there were people on the right who were very distrustful of Reagan back then.
Terrye on August 19, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Reagan believed in compromise. He once said that half a loaf was better than starving. He also said the “radical” {his word} conservatives were the most difficult people to deal with because they had to everything their way. If they could not get it their way, they did not want it at all. Of course, politics does not work that way.
Terrye on August 19, 2008 at 9:48 PM
I don’t know how McCain can expect to get conservatives to vote for Lieberman. Seriously, I would just assume have Obama destroy the country with liberalism than McCain do it. As much as I dislike Obama and believe he would be a terrible president, I just can’t vote for Lieberman. A Lieberman pick would be like a finger in the eye to conservatives and enough to make me say “just forget it”.
Dollayo on August 19, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Yes, I tried to watch Obama’s last night but became disinterested about 15 minutes in. I learned a lot from the Doc on McCain.
carbon_footprint on August 19, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Someone should keep a list of the types of objections. I think I have observed 6 major types over the last few weeks. So many are different, but they all boil down to 6 or so basic categories.
This, the first one, is “McCain will destroy America with his liberalism.” reason.
I wonder how long I have to wait here to see the different types and catalog them as well. Fresh examples are always the best.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 9:55 PM
.. and a subset of that is “Since McCain will destroy America with his liberalism, we should let Obama do it, it will be much better that way.” This of course falls into the “let’s throw the election and try again in 4 years” category. Let’s make this category 2. Seems like about 30 – 40% of the reasons go there.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 10:01 PM
just saw a mccain commercial that will put a tingle up your leg!! oh yeah Mccain was braggin how he took on BIG OIL, BIG TOBACCO AND WALL STREET
oh yeah he’s gonna SAVE US from those EVIL CORPORATIONS!!
I’m sure you’ll sleep better know mr. cap and trade is there to protect you from the EVIL BIG CORPORATIONS!!!
right4life on August 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM
We’ll just make that Number three.
That sort of crazy deserves a category all to itself.
10 to 20 percent of the reasons such as this fall into the “batsh*t crazy” explanations.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Carly Fiorina is the candidate.
James on August 19, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Well, I didn’t want to have to bring out McCain’s liberalism. It has been written about for years and circulated since he lost in 2000. But since you asked I’ll list five: (1) his open borders stand to payback his farmer friends, (2) his idea that Roberts isn’t the kind of guy he would pick, (3) his need to leave billions of barrels of oil in the ground in the wasteland called ANWR while he buys into a socialist hoax called “global warming”, (4) his willingness to sell out every conservative to democrats in exchange for the respect from socialists in the democrat’s party and the hypocrite press, (5) his view that free speech should be ended 30 days before an election. A “maverick” is just the media’s way to praise a liberal republican who is ready to evolve into the republican they will blame when attempts of leftism fail. As for Joe Lieberman, other than the war it would be quicker to list what makes him in any way conservative. Let’s see, the war is all I can think of. He is a true blue democrat who happens to be a Jew and therefore can see the threat of the Islamic Jihad movement. If he had his way he would still be a democrat. There is a reason Al Gore picked him to be VP you know? Look, I know Obama would be worse, but I’m really on the fence about giving McCain the RINO my vote. If he picks Lieberman he will have made my decision to protest vote much easier.
Dollayo on August 19, 2008 at 10:27 PM
I noticed you never had the guts to apologize for lying about what I said….but I’m not surprised, given the type of ‘man’ you are.
right4life on August 19, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Thanks! Dollayo!!
You win the prestigious “Number four” slot with the:
“McCain sells out all the conservatives to democrats!”
line.
*honorable mention: “(2) his idea that Roberts isn’t the kind of guy he would pick,” When Obama was asked about the justices, he said: “You know, John Roberts, I have to say, was a tougher question, – He’s clearly smart — very thoughtful. I will tell you that how I’ve seen him operate since he went to the bench confirms the suspicions that I had, and the reason that I voted against him.” And McCain said: “Justices Alito and Roberts are two of my most recent favorites, by the way. They really are. They are very fine, and I’m proud of President Bush for nominating them.”
So which of these two will nominate someone like Roberts in the future, when one of them is President?
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 10:41 PM
What? You lied about something, right4life? Well, that’s bad. You shouldn’t do that.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 10:43 PM
McCain actually was a Republican at one time. Long ago though.
MB4 on August 19, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Waaaayyy back – a long time ago. Back when he didn’t have “old man teeth,” Right?
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 10:51 PM
I noticed that you left out my point about McCain’s need to leave billions of barrels of oil in the ground in the wasteland called ANWR while he buys into a socialist hoax called “global warming”. He wants to “cap and trade” America’s future based on a socialist myth. This would seriously destroy our country. These liberal policies will only give dems a big fat liberal republican to blame for their own foolish liberal legislation. Hey, I said Obama would be worse, but not much. There is something to be said about holding to principal, for if I accept what I disagree with just because the other guys might be worse, how much further to the left will I be willing to accept next time? I will tell you this, with all the great conservative people McCain could pick, there is nothing in this world that would get me to vote for Joe Lieberman.
Dollayo on August 19, 2008 at 10:53 PM
There are a million DNC ad’s ready to go on Joe that will make him look like a traitor to his former party and a untrustworthy Veep to the GOP.
Nothing good can come of this.
jjshaka on August 19, 2008 at 10:58 PM
I just got a “Attend a John McCain Rally in Nevada” email. The Rally is with Mitt. Why would Mitt be holding a rally for McCain two days prior to his VP announcement?
Coincidence? I think not!
p0s3r on August 19, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Have you spoken to the Obama campaign?
‘I have not spoken to anyone.’
So you’re not ruling out you could be picked?
‘I have not spoken to anyone.’
MB4 on August 19, 2008 at 11:02 PM
I wouldn’t vote for mccain just because scum like you are for him.
you’re a piece of trash.
right4life on August 19, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Oh, yeah. That’s right. I forgot – John McCain wants us to pay higher prices on Gas. And Obama? Well, gas would go back to $2 a gallon based on hope. And McCain will destroy our country with his socialism.
Yup. That’s a repeat of #1: ‘McCain will destroy America with his liberalism/Socialism.’
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 11:10 PM
You will not get me to defend Obama, I am not under any Obama delusion that gas will be $2/gal based on the power of hope. You have my word I will not be voting for Obama under any circumstances. He has already been ruled out. My only decision left is if I will vote for McCain or cast a protest vote for Bob Barr. Frankly, I haven’t decided yet. I will say this much; if he picks Lieberman it will prove to me that McCain is more interested in sucking up to Hillary’s socialists than conservative republicans. If that’s the case, I will wish you lots of luck with McCain but I’ll have no part of it.
Dollayo on August 19, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Either one or the other will be the next president. Millions of Americans will be participating.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM
I don’t know if it means anything, but I just got a letter from John McCain, saying all sorts of nice things about me.
Maybe I’m his VP.
Or could be, if I’ll just send him a check.
sulla on August 19, 2008 at 11:36 PM
I sent him twenty-five bucks once, and haven’t been left alone ever since. Sent me a picture of him and his wife. Just about every day the guy sends me something in the mail. My letter carrier has started to smirk, OK?
RushBaby on August 19, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Send back every pre-postage paid request with empty envelopes except for a post-it note that says ‘no more money until he reverses his position on illegal immigration.’
Thats what I do.
wise_man on August 20, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Do you think the strategy is to just annoy the stuffing out of everybody so they don’t care who he picks? I am getting there.
Cindy Munford on August 20, 2008 at 12:23 AM
McCain may be floating very bad choices so that if he picks just a bad choice some people, they know who they are, will say, “See what a good pick he made! Vote McCain!”
MB4 on August 20, 2008 at 12:32 AM
He’s starting to feel like a relative, an annoying relative. I guess in fairness, this is more a media made storm and I think we all know they have way too much time on their hands.
Cindy Munford on August 20, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Bingo.
RushBaby on August 20, 2008 at 12:52 AM
Please be right!! Cuz I draw the line at voting for Al Gore’s choice, Joe Lieberman. I just can’t do it
Dollayo on August 20, 2008 at 12:55 AM
We did.
We were promised employer enforcement, and border enforcement, if only we’d allow them to pass amnesty first. So we did. But funny thing… they didn’t live up to their promises.
And now here we were, years later… and more promises of employer enforcement, and border enforcement, if only we’d allow them to pass “comprehensive reform”, which looked/smelled/tasted like just another amnesty.
But we said no. They promised enforcement. And we were making them honor their original promises first.
And they yelled and screamed at us. Called us racists and bigots. So we informed our friends, who informed their friends, and suddenly switchboards in D.C. were overloaded with angry constituents.
They had forgotten who they serve. They still don’t understand the jobs taken that used to belong to teenagers entering the workplace, the depressed salaries of tradesmen trying to support their families, the massive load on social services and healthcare, huge increases in violent crime, the changing of our very culture by aliens who didn’t want to assimilate.
So they promised a fence, even funded it. “Now can we pass amnesty?” We held their feet to the fire, and they turned on us like a snake and bit us again. The funding dried up, the fence is not built, sanctuary cities continue.
And you say “we did nothing”?
How is it that truth disappears down the memory hole, and propaganda is spouted from people who claim to belong to our party?
dominigan on August 20, 2008 at 2:36 AM
BUILD THE WALL…..DEPORT THEM ALL!
DfDeportation on August 20, 2008 at 2:47 AM
told ya so… Lieberman… he wraps up the election in one move. checkmate. 6% or 7% from that one move. name me a Republican that will vote Obama just because McCain chose Lieberman? no I don’t see it. but democrats that will vote for the Maverick, because he reached across the isle and made history by asking a democrat to be on the ticket with him… ummm I think so. I could be wrong though…
Kaptain Amerika on August 20, 2008 at 2:58 AM
McCain won’t get my vote if he picks Joe Lieberman. Why in this world would I want to put a total liberal who was Al Gore’s first pick to be President after himself in the 2nd highest office with a war on? He caucuses with democrats. To me there is not much difference between a leftist with an (I) or (R) after his name as a leftist with a (D).
Dollayo on August 20, 2008 at 3:33 AM
Picking Liebernman will finally cement the fact that McCain really does not want to win. The double wrinkly old dude ticket, what a winner!
Grafted on August 20, 2008 at 6:44 AM
Tim Pawlenty? Holy crap, dude!
http://www.nationalreview.com/polls/?poll_id=1&view_results=1
Mr. Wednesday Night on August 20, 2008 at 7:48 AM
Hell NO on Pawlenty
“The era of small government is over … government has to be more proactive, more aggressive.” – Tim Pawlenty
“It looks like we should have listened to President Carter” – Tim Pawlenty
“Climate change is real. Human behavior is … responsible. Those who don’t think so are simply not right. We should not spend time on voices that say it’s not real.” – Tim Pawlenty
How Not to Run for Vice President (The Washington Post)
Pawlenty’s Record (The Wall Street Journal)
A Big-Government Running Mate for McCain? (Cato Institute)
Poptech on August 20, 2008 at 8:18 AM
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