Double gulp: Source says Lieberman’s staff busy building dossier on him; Update: “I’m not the guy,” says Biden; Update: Pawlenty leads short list?
posted at 4:55 pm on August 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Could have gone in the other thread as an update but that one’s already Dramamine-worthy. How apparently serious has the vetting process gotten? If Politico’s to be believed, serious enough that the research director of Joementum’s 2004 presidential campaign is involved:
Top aides to Joseph Lieberman have reached out to former staffers in recent days with “substanative questions” about the issue areas they worked on while working for the Connecticut senator, according to a source close to Lieberman…
Without saying defnitively that the information-gathering was being done to share with McCain’s campaign, this source said “it would be unusual if not in the context of being vetted.”…
Another strong clue is that one of the former aides contacted was Lori McGrogan.
A longtime Lieberman aide, McGrogan served as Research Director on the senator’s 2004 presidential bid where she was tasked with investigating her candidate’s record as well as those of his Democratic primary rivals.
Meanwhile, ABC corroborates NR’s report that not only were top McCain aides calling around to float the idea of a pro-choice VP yesterday but they’re still doing so today. Exit question: Have we officially reached crisis stage now? Time to start phoning Maverick HQ and begging them to cease and desist? It worked with amnesty! (Well, no, not with McCain it didn’t.)
Update: Might as well dump all the VP rumormongering into one thread. Granted, every potential nominee denies that they’re being considered, but would Biden really say something this definitive with Obama’s choice (allegedly) having already been made?
As he pulled out of the driveway in the driver’s seat of his car he then said to the press gathered near his gate, “You guys have better things to do. I’m not the guy.”
Update: It’s … it’s a head fake! “Some conservatives went so far today as to suggest that the McCain camp was raising the issue of naming a pro-choice running mate just as a way to woo moderates, even though he has no intention of doing so. And it all comes as we are receiving word from Republican and conservative officials that pro-life Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty has moved to the top of McCain’s vice presidential short list.”
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SO, what’s up with Liebs? Is he a liberal on everything except the war? If so, to hell with him. Iraq war is pretty much over, he’s useless.
Darth Executor on August 19, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Allah, c’mon. McCain isn’t stupid, and doesn’t want to lose this election.
Lieberman would be a fantastic Sec State, and they’ll need the dossier to get him through confirmation.
If they’re gonna go pro-choice, it’s gotta be Rudy G.
funky chicken on August 19, 2008 at 4:59 PM
I hate to say it — mainly because of the snark attacks it’ll draw — but I wouldn’t mind seeing Lieberman on the ticket at all.
In fact, if the Dems had reversed the order of their candidates in ‘04, I might have voted Democrat for the first time in…ever.
He is a decent, principled man, who appears to at least respect those who disagree with him. While I can’t go for some of his beliefs, good character and honest patriotism count for a great deal.
Especially when compared to Osama Obama/Biden (or Bayh), this is a ticket I feel generally comfortable with. At least I don’t see this as selling our nation out.
MrScribbler on August 19, 2008 at 5:02 PM
What happened to the RNC saying McCain got the message regarding picking a pro-infanticide VP? People can also sign this.
davenp35 on August 19, 2008 at 5:03 PM
This is a fakeout (like during the Passover seder when you raise your glass but then put it down, and don’t drink).
If JL was the pick, would his staff be authorized to let on?
The pick is Romney (who, ironically, never drinks).
Remotest plausible: McCain will announce his cabinet quickly after the VP pick, and JL is in it.
McCain is showing respect to all the near-misses; he needs an MC in every state for campaigning.
ParisParamus on August 19, 2008 at 5:03 PM
I think this is a hoax like the biden talk. Its to spin the focus on bogus candidates while the real VP picks slide under the radar
William Amos on August 19, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Bottom line, if McCain chooses Lieberman……….. he looses the election.
Seven Percent Solution on August 19, 2008 at 5:04 PM
My head is starting to hurt. Lieberman, Ridge, Jindal, Palin, Pawlanty (how ever you spell it), Crist… the list goes ON AND ON AND ON!
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 5:04 PM
William, then who is sliding under that you would think gets the pick?
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 5:05 PM
It’s funny that the only time this site posts about McCain is to whine about his VP choice; and we don’t even know who it is.
lorien1973 on August 19, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Yeah, funny how everyone’s pet issue of 2007 doesn’t mean jack squat anymore. Makes me wonder why I should give a sh*t anymore.
In 2006, GOP-voters and conservatives told me to Vote GOP to keep the Democrats from taking over Congress and losing the war and impeaching Bush and destroying the country!!!! Hmmm, doesn’t seem to have happened.
In 2007 GOP-voters and conservatives told me to Stop Amnesty or else!!!! 2008, ah doesn’t matter.
Now, same people are telling me Vote for McCain to keep Obama out of the White House or else!!!!! Hmm, why should I care? Amnesty apparently didn’t mean jack squat and now I am to believe these people that Obama is going to destroy the nation?
Pfft. Whatever.
Michael in MI on August 19, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Screw abortion. The guy is a lib on everything except selling out the country.
mylegsareswollen on August 19, 2008 at 5:08 PM
I agree. Especially if they take a one term pledge.
eski502 on August 19, 2008 at 5:08 PM
I’m getting dizzy. What is so special about Lieberman that McCain can not choose Giuliani?
Also, does McCain want to tick off the conservatives who are so adamantly against abortion? Pick Palin!
Enough already with the yes, no, maybe so. I want to hear out of McCain’s mouth that he is definitely not choosing a pro-abortion candidate.
jencab on August 19, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Eh, its just a little misdirection to make the Obama campaign even more befuddled than they are now.
Bishop on August 19, 2008 at 5:08 PM
I hope and
changepray that this is all a diversionary tactic to drum up media hype.Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 19, 2008 at 5:08 PM
I could not agree with you more Amos. Both camps are playing this game to gin up interest, publicity and suspense. More than likely the pick will be some one not named in the leaks.
Nyog_of_the_Bog on August 19, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Says the RNC: McCain won’t pick pro-choice.
Says CNN: It’ll be pro-choice Tom Ridge.
Says USN&WR: It’ll be Meg Whitman.
Says Politico: It’ll be Joe Lieberman.
Oy…
amerpundit on August 19, 2008 at 5:09 PM
As a Republican I can not vote for Lieberman on principle. When in the Hell does it become OK to walk over qualified Republicans to pick a Democrat? This would be rewarding that bad behavior and should be resoundingly rejected.
There are many qualified republicans that would bring winning attributes to the ticket and have worked for the party rather than against it.
I hope McCain is not this dumb if he is he lost my vote which by the way he just recently got.
dhunter on August 19, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Hmm, I take it you didn’t pay attention to the 2000 campaign?
Michael in MI on August 19, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Oh, and how could I forget Rudy?
amerpundit on August 19, 2008 at 5:10 PM
So then those of us who want him to pick someone conservative should beg him to pick Lieberman? Just so he can be disagreeable?
Might work.
MamaAJ on August 19, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Yuck! Terrible choice.
I want a Secretary of States who can flip a switch and become the Dark Lord for those troublesome meetings in places like North Korea.
Sorry Joe, you’re no Vader.
moxie_neanderthal on August 19, 2008 at 5:10 PM
How can you just finish telling the world that life begins at conception and pick Lieberman? Not gonna’ happen.
Hening on August 19, 2008 at 5:13 PM
The RNC rules do not allow for non-Republicans on the ticket.
The only good news here is that McCain may finally piss off enough delegates that we get a much better nominee than McCain by the time the convention is over.
EJDolbow on August 19, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Anybody got McCain campaign headquarters phone number handy??
EJDolbow on August 19, 2008 at 5:14 PM
If McCain picks Lieberman as VP then he removes all doubt he is unfit to lead our country by turning his back on his constituency. The only way the dims will crossover is if McCain concedes to their wishes and rebukes his own people.
volsense on August 19, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Cheney…..
It would be so worth it just to hear all the moonbats, Hollywood and Chavez howl.
Hening on August 19, 2008 at 5:14 PM
This might be a radical concept, but what say we wait and see who McCain actually picks? It obviously can not be all these people. I doubt it is Lieberman. I would not be surprised to Lieberman as Sec of State or even Defense, but I would be really surprised to see him on the ticket.
Terrye on August 19, 2008 at 5:15 PM
President John Edwards? That is worthy of snark.
/Yes I know really you meant ‘00.
aengus on August 19, 2008 at 5:15 PM
my question is not whether this would anger conservatives. . . but how about Republicans getting the snub if he chooses Lieberman?
If I were a staunch Republican and he picks a Democrat, I’d be angry as a Republican more than conservative.
If he does pick Lieberman, at least it will convince me to vote. I’ll vote Obama because at least he’s running as the Democrat. The other two are Democrats in Republican clothing. There’s something about deception that turns me off. At least with Obama, I know what I’m getting – someone I completely disagree with all of the time. McCain I only disagree with most of the time.
A Lieberman selection would cause McCain to lose the South. . . but hey, who cares about the South anyway since they lost the Civil War.
I expect McCain will pick some relative unknown that nobody has talked about yet – that’s usually the case.
ThackerAgency on August 19, 2008 at 5:15 PM
This could be Mavericks souljah moment…
We(prolifers) have the platform, the prez, and the majority of the party. Let him pick whomever he wants. Give him some room to win.
ninjapirate on August 19, 2008 at 5:16 PM
I’m LOL at that one.
JiangxiDad on August 19, 2008 at 5:17 PM
From his website contacts section: (703) 418-2008
eski502 on August 19, 2008 at 5:18 PM
After Saddleback McCain had the Messiah in his cross-hairs, now if he does this, he will effectively be taking the rifle, spinning it around and pointing the barrel in his own mouth.
Why do I even care, I can’t stand either one regardless.
RobertInAustin on August 19, 2008 at 5:18 PM
you forgot Palin and Jindal….
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 5:19 PM
dammit, I had my hopes pinned on a Biden/Giuliani debate. It was gonna be the most fun I’d have all fall.
dammit
funky chicken on August 19, 2008 at 5:19 PM
I have never been to McCain’s website before because I see no reason to go there.
Anyway, here is the contact page.
http://www.johnmccain.com/Contact/
EJDolbow on August 19, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Michael, I would suggest forming your own opinions from issue to issue. Abandon all loyalty to persons and parties. Vote according to your beliefs. For instance, I’m not voting for McCain. I’m not voting for Obama. There are no longer any candidates available who are even remotely close to matching my beliefs. Neither one is better or worse than the other. It is all nothing more than a melting pot of corruption, incompetence and cowardace. The only way to change that is to send a message. IMHO the time for that is long overdue.
Zetterson on August 19, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Has Lieberman agreed to become a Republican if he runs with McCain? He might not want to change clothes.
JiangxiDad on August 19, 2008 at 5:20 PM
call and say no: (703) 418-2008
eski502 on August 19, 2008 at 5:20 PM
ahh geez funky!
upinak on August 19, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Nativist!
Demsindependents are god’s children too.JiangxiDad on August 19, 2008 at 5:21 PM
I agree completely. After Bush’s first term in office, I was sure that the democrats would win. And as much as I supported Bush, I thought that Bush shouldn’t have a second term, for a few reasons. One of which as ‘our standing in the world.’ But true to their colors, the democrats proved once again that they can’t be trusted with .. well, with anything. The lied about Bush, they back tracked on their own quotes about how evil Saddam was before the 2003 resumption of hostilities after the 1991 cease fire that Saddam broke and so much more. I thought that if Lieberman, the VP nominee from just 4 years ago, would run, that it might turn out better. After all, the longer a republican is in office, the more likely it would be that a democrat would be next.
And then they nominated Kerry. And when you say “if the Dems had reversed the order of their candidates in ‘04,” you mean president Edwards, VP Kerry? … really???? *makes a huge frowny face* Yuk.
Someone else mentioned this. It’s possible that a McCain/Lieberman could beat a Obama/whoever because they aren’t extreme right-wing politicians. If, for example, Fred Thompson won the nomination, even if he was the better candidate and much more conservative than McCain, do you think that Thompson would be polling as much as McCain is doing right now against Obama?
I can’t predict the future but I really don’t want to see Obama win. And of course I won’t be voting for McCain just because he’s not Obama, as others have claimed. I would just want the republican to win, I don’t see McCain as the monster that so many here make him out to be and I think that Lieberman can very much help him get elected. What a pleasant surprise it would be for so many people here to see a President McCain in the next few years to successfully handle one crisis after another. And can then look back and think, ‘Wow! we could have had a president Obama, making decisions for America.’ Because I have my own feeling about how bad Obama can be for all of us.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Not sure just saying that this is a smoke screen to cover others.
William Amos on August 19, 2008 at 5:22 PM
I want to start my own rumor:
I have a good source that tells me Allahpundit is being vetted by both Camp Obama and Camp McCain. They are just trying to convince him to drop the veil of anonymity. Oh and they don’t know how American voters will respond to the whole atheism thing :)
Good luck, AP!
terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 5:22 PM
True. But are pro choicers?
eski502 on August 19, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Thank you. I didn’t see that.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 5:24 PM
bwahahahahaahaha…that’s funny!
windansea on August 19, 2008 at 5:24 PM
very good.
JiangxiDad on August 19, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Is this really surprising to you though? If not for consistently backstabbing conservatives McCain would be on the golf course right now enjoying retirement. Cozy up to McCain and you are going to get f**ked. Its just a matter of when and how hard.
Zetterson on August 19, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Just in case anyone was wondering…. I have decided that I will not run as McCain’s (or Obama’s) running mate. I am not the guy.
AverageJoe on August 19, 2008 at 5:27 PM
You would have made an excellent choice.
terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 5:28 PM
It’s me! He’s picking me! No chickens in ANY pots, you damned canibals! Or murderers or whatever.
funky chicken on August 19, 2008 at 5:29 PM
I dont believe I am going to say this as someone who has voted in every election since 1980: If he picks a Pro-Choice nominee – I wont vote or Bob Barr gets my vote.
The Republican party does not support my ideals anymore.
I now hope McCain loses – because changing the Republican Party like he is going to is going to do even more damage long term than Obama’s 4 years.
winged on August 19, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Choosing Lieberman is the kiss of death for McCain. If he is that arrogant, republicans will stay home. As it is, McCain is walking, on thin ice.
eski502 thanks for the phone number. I will pass it around.
sinsing on August 19, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Just in case anyone was wondering…. I have decided that I will not run as McCain’s (or Obama’s) running mate. I am not the guy.
AverageJoe on August 19, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Crap, there goes all the money I invested in a smear campaign against you.
Bishop on August 19, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Joe Biden comments on HotAir under the name funky chicken???
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Yes, I did mean ‘00. So many bad candidates, they all kinda run together.
Question: how many of you had really paid any attention to Palin, Jindal, Pawlenty, etc. before the big veep-selection game started, and how many are just saying “ooh! a woman,” “oooh! someone who isn’t white,” “oooh! a fresh face,” etc. Be honest now….
That’s no way to run a country.
The last time I recall a total unknown in the veep slot was Spiggy Agnew, and y’all remember how that turned out.
MrScribbler on August 19, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Yep. Unintentional post of the day?
funky chicken on August 19, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Its all Hope and Change. Those who have sold out their conservative heritage for a cold bowl of liberal acceptance will be “Hoping” that McCain will “Change” once he is in office. The record of his past dealings give no reason for hope, if anything, it only causes more depression because you know he isn’t going to “Change” for the better.
Can a leopard change its spots? Nope, its in his DNA, just as it is in McCain political DNA to back stab his party.
RobertInAustin on August 19, 2008 at 5:33 PM
I don’t care what Biden says, I think he’s the one under the One
ConservativePartyNow on August 19, 2008 at 5:33 PM
terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Hey, that’s slander, or libel or whatever. I meant that McCain picked me.
Jeez, I certainly wouldn’t be all excited to have Rudy G wring my skinny little neck on national television now, would I?
funky chicken on August 19, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Obviously what motivates McCain is his desire to push the Republican party to the left. Once he’s in office, consider the Founding-Fathers-inspired Conservative model dead. McCain is not just a bitter pill to swallow on election day. He’s a poison pill. Drink it down with some nice coolaid if you wish.
Zetterson on August 19, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Add to this by saying that Allahpundit is really Gilbert Gottfried.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 19, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Sorry for libeling you :)
terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Exactly. Its just who he is. Its what he does. Many conservatives have been in denial about that for a little while now. I’ve come to accept it for what it is. The only question now is how best to deal with the problem.
Zetterson on August 19, 2008 at 5:38 PM
winged and Zetterson hate babies, think we should lose in Iraq, and believe we should be humble when dealing with evil.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 19, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Or that comment may just be a decoy. The plot thickens.
Imagine how surprised everyone would be if either candidate said “I would like to announce my running mate….. AverageJoe of Hot Air”.
AverageJoe on August 19, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Obama/Gottfried ‘08!
terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Drudge got the text!
MirCat on August 19, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Then again, look at this site.
Maxx on August 19, 2008 at 5:48 PM
I love babies. And I’m all for finishing the job in Iraq/Afghanistan. Its just every other issue that I disagree with McCain on. And I hate being lied to. The second I caught McCain lying to my face during “Shamnesty” I knew I was done with him and could never bring myself to support him in any capacity ever again. A good person and a good leader would NEVER do that. They would never stoop that low and express such disrespect for the people they are supposed to be working on behalf of. Some of you are just easier to forgive than I am. Or perhaps you just have shorter memories.
Zetterson on August 19, 2008 at 5:48 PM
I still say its McCain/Romney for the reps and Clinton/Obama for the dems
Think_b4_speaking on August 19, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Allah mentioned that site in a previous post.
Zetterson on August 19, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Prioritizes, pick your battles wisely, etc.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 19, 2008 at 5:54 PM
http://www.mccainpawlenty.com looks like a reserved site. Could be reserved by the campaign.
bnelson44 on August 19, 2008 at 5:54 PM
My God people doncha think you might should wait until McCain actually picks the guy you hate before you threaten to stay home, sit yourself on fire, vote for Barr, or say the man is out to destroy the party.
sheesh. Like a bunch of hysterical old women.
And I can say that because I am an old woman.
Terrye on August 19, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Then again, look at this site.
Maxx on August 19, 2008 at 5:48 PM
http://www.mccain-lieberman.com/ forwards to http://www.johnmccain.com/
They may have one for everyone on the short list.
- The Cat
P.S. I want Palin
P.P.S. She’d be good as a Veep too.
MirCat on August 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Big surprise!
heh…Said it before, and once more…
McCain is picking Crist.
JetBoy on August 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Zetterson:
McCain did not lie to anyone’s face. I am so tired of that crap. Why in the name of heaven didn’t the conservatives make an issue of illegal immigration years ago and deal with this problem then? No…they ignore it for years, let Bush go through two elections without even making it an issue..and then bam! we got people screaming about the North American Union and calling people like McCain and Bush traitors and liars and all kinds of crazy stuff. I think that is one of the reasons Republicans lost in 2006. They just seemed a tad out of control.
Terrye on August 19, 2008 at 5:59 PM
JetBoy,
If Crist is the VP pick. I’m referring to you for all further political analysis, alright.
terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 6:00 PM
mccainpawlenty.com was registered through GoDaddy so was johnmccain.com. MCCAINPALIN.COM was through NEW DREAM NETWORK. So I think mccainpalin is someone who either wants it to happen or someone looking to sell it.
Also the “For inquiries, please contact: info@McCainPawlenty.com” thing makes me think this is also someone wanting to sell it.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 19, 2008 at 6:01 PM
P.S. none of the DNS match johnmccain.com’s
MirCat on August 19, 2008 at 6:01 PM
It’s not Lieberman, McCain is picking Hillary for VP. :-)
ajackson on August 19, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Agreed. This has been an issue that no one has talked about since Reagan granted Amnesty. Besides, more is going to get done on this by holding congress’s feet to the fire.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 19, 2008 at 6:04 PM
*shrugs* … gettin’ some sweet, sweet anti-McCain hate on early to avoid the rush when it’s official, would be my guess.
wise_man on August 19, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Me thinks people forget to quickly.
Just before September 11th Bush was meeting with V. Fox of Mexico and he was getting ready to pass amnesty for illegals, but then Sept 11th happened and it all came to a grinding halt.
Republicans were up in arms back then, but then, our attention was diverted for several years on several fronts.
Last year, they tried to push amnesty through again and all the Republicans went nuts. Talk radio exploded. Rush, Hannity, Ingram, Gallagher etc all said Bush, McCain, Graham were going to pass the death of the republican party bill by granting amnesty to all the illegals.
RobertInAustin on August 19, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Um, why is the ‘death of the republican party’ bill?
terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 6:17 PM
I guess if even the idea of McCain entertaining the idea of picking a democrat doesn’t bother you, then I guess nothing will.
But, I guess McCain acting like that just add’s to his “Mavrickiness” that all the TRC’s just love.
RobertInAustin on August 19, 2008 at 6:18 PM
Didn’t McCain “slip” a few weeks ago at a town hall meeting saying, “You all are going to love Gov. Pawlenty?”
EJDolbow on August 19, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Making 25 million illegals all of a sudden legal increases the Dems voting rolls by about 23.5 million voters.
EJDolbow on August 19, 2008 at 6:20 PM
What? You don’t know? As a political blogger I would think you would have stayed on top of the issue see you publically comment on things you know about.
It was nicknamed the death of the republican party bill due to the millions of illegals who currently enjoy the goods and services provided to them by Democrats, they would become legal citizens and be able to register to vote.
Now, take a wild guess who millions of illegals would likely vote for? Democrats maybe?
That is why it was nicknamed the death of the Republican party bill.
RobertInAustin on August 19, 2008 at 6:22 PM
I’ve been sitting on my donation for a couple of months now, waiting for McCain’s veep announcement. Just for grins, here’s my plan:
If it’s Ridge or Lieberman, no donation.
If it’s Crist, eh, 50 bucks.
If it’s Rudy, Romney, Pawlenty, Sanford, Cantor I can afford a few hundred.
Why zip for Ridge or Lieberman? Either one communicates either stupidity, lack of interest in winning, or breathtaking arrogance. I’m pretty confident it won’t come to that, much to the resident MDS brigade that posts here at hotair.
funky chicken on August 19, 2008 at 6:22 PM
much to the chagrin of the …
funky chicken on August 19, 2008 at 6:22 PM
So it’s all about politics? It doesn’t matter if the bill was right or wrong?
terryannonline on August 19, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Yes. It is about politics
Yes, the bill is wrong. You do not reward law breaking.
RobertInAustin on August 19, 2008 at 6:25 PM
haha…And if I’m wrong, I’m hiding out for a while.
I do agree with you 100%…too many so-called conservatives are doing far too much speculation. I’m sorry, anyone who wants to pout and pine for Reagan part deux and McBash all day long, you’re doing no one any favors.
JetBoy on August 19, 2008 at 6:26 PM
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