Team Obama whispers: McCain cheated at Saddleback

posted at 11:57 am on August 18, 2008 by Allahpundit

And they knew just the right reporter to whisper to, didn’t they? It’s true that Maverick wasn’t in the “cone of silence” when Warren said he was, but then he didn’t need to be — he already knew the hardest questions beforehand. As did Barack Obama, according to Politico:

So it turns out that Pastor Rick Warren, in an effort to increase the candidates’ comfort level with his pioneering format, gave each of them a heads-up on several of the hardest questions he asked Saturday night during his “the Saddleback Civil Forum on the presidency.”

A source close to Warren tells Playbook that the candidates knew in advance they would be asked their own greatest moral failure, America’s greatest moral failure, and the three wisest people in their lives.

The source said Obama also knew he would be asked if he’d be willing to commit to an emergency plan for orphans, like President Bush has for AIDS. GIVE OBAMA CREDIT FOR ANSWERING CANDIDLY: “I cheated a little bit. I actually looked at this idea ahead of time, and I think it is a great idea.”

Question: How surprising is it that the GOP nominee, with a galaxy of institutional memory available to him about how to appeal to this constituency and a personal knack for townhall formats, would be well prepared for this event? Answer: Really surprising if you’re a lefty desperate to explain why Obama’s now “more vulnerable than at any point since the primaries concluded, and he no longer appears to have a built-in strength in the electoral college that we had attributed to him before.” (In fact, the full quote from Andrea Mitchell makes it sound like even she thinks the accusation’s sour grapes.) Same with the nutroots meme that’s circulating about McCain having allegedly stolen his story about a VC prison guard drawing a cross in the dirt from Alexander Solzhenitsyn, despite other anecdotal evidence that his faith was no secret to those around him while in captivity. But even so — it’s exceptionally stupid of him not to have arrived on time and observed the terms about isolation knowing what the left would do with it. Michael Crowley at TNR is right that he’s not the type to cheat, but, er, a good way to prove that you’re not the type to cheat is to actually follow the rules you’ve agreed to. McCain seems to have assumed people would give him the benefit of the doubt simply because he’s McCain, a show of mind-boggling naivete in the middle of an election. Note to Maverick: By late October, they’ll be calling you a Manchurian candidate. In fact, they already are.

So another home run ends up with an asterisk next to it. Exit quotation from Team McCain’s bruising letter to NBC about how deep in the tank they are for Obama: “John McCain actually requested that he and Barack Obama do the forum together on stage at the same time, making these kinds of after-the-fact complaints moot.”


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We shouldn’t even be discussing this crap. McCain won and that’s that. Even if McCain was in his motorcade for the first 20 minutes of the event, so what? He was in the “cone of silence” for the last half of the event, and I thought McCain’s answers to the last 30 minutes of questioning (where there’s no doubt that he wasn’t cheating) was just as good as his answers to the first 30 minutes.

Outlander on August 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Actually, it was the bank that forgot to pay the taxes. For mortgages, the taxes are paid out of the escrow fund that you pay into each month with your mortgage payment.

The McCain’s had no way of knowing that the taxes weren’t being paid, until the country contacted them.

MarkTheGreat on August 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Oh, cripes. That’s right, I totally forgot about that. Well, I guess that makes the “tax cheat” allegation even weirder.

mjk on August 18, 2008 at 1:47 PM

pathetic, weak, whiny children. No fair!!!!!! No fair!!!!!

Please tell me the majority of American voters don’t want to elect a pathetic, weak, whiny, UNGRATEFUL to the grandmother who raised him, unqualified child to the highest office in the land.

funky chicken on August 18, 2008 at 2:00 PM

Losers always claim the winners cheated, that’s their view of life, hard working people ‘got rich on the backs of the poor’ and all of that b.s.

Tony737 on August 18, 2008 at 12:01 PM

yep

funky chicken on August 18, 2008 at 2:01 PM

A recent finding on an MRI on Andrea Mitchell and Obama discovered a large “cone of silence” in the reasoning section of the cerebral cortex.

wepeople on August 18, 2008 at 2:11 PM

When asked to rate McCain’s appearance, Obama released this statement:

“Cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater.”

AverageJoe on August 18, 2008 at 3:12 PM

it’s exceptionally stupid of him not to have arrived on time and observed the terms about isolation knowing what the left would do with it.

When you’re in a fight, don’t leave the decision to the judges. Camp McCain FAIL!

He broke the rules. He lost. We will regret not being sticklers on this as soon as the Dems break the rules on something.

AND THEY ALWAYS DO.

The Race Card on August 18, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Wow. Typing in all caps really does make one feel stupid.

The Race Card on August 18, 2008 at 3:23 PM

it’s exceptionally stupid of him not to have arrived on time and observed the terms about isolation knowing what the left would do with it.
When you’re in a fight, don’t leave the decision to the judges. Camp McCain FAIL!

He broke the rules. He lost. We will regret not being sticklers on this as soon as the Dems break the rules on something.

AND THEY ALWAYS DO.

The Race Card on August 18, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Uh, it appears that McCain was stuck in traffic in his limo. I suppose you think that never happens in Orange County, CA? And unless his limo has XM radio there was no way he could have heard anything because none of the networks were carrying it live.

rockmom on August 18, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Uh, it appears that McCain was stuck in traffic in his limo. I suppose you think that never happens in Orange County, CA? And unless his limo has XM radio there was no way he could have heard anything because none of the networks were carrying it live.

rockmom on August 18, 2008 at 3:45 PM

My dog ate my homework. Not everyone will take the excuse at face value, that is the stupidity of partisan politics, that one side always believes one and not the other’s excuses. I don’t trust either. This is not like a dinner date or anything, its a forum between two candidates for President, and a rather weird format at that where they will be asked identical questions and where McCain knew in advance that he would have to be isolated from contact with various media. You don’t even have to have satellite radio installed in the limo, just a portable set, and then the odds are much greater that he could have heard.

Frankly being late was stupid considering all these things, especially since the venue was going to be friendly to him anyway. Also I have never heard of a case where a Presidential candidate was that late for a debate or whatever you want to call it.

LevStrauss on August 18, 2008 at 4:00 PM

Obama was seen as what he is………….. an empty suit. No experience, Democratic talking points, a dolt and fool.

Yeah……… McCain cheated for having informed opinions, life experience, intelligence and a true understanding of this world and the evil in it.

Cry all you want Obama supporters, it is only going to get worse………

Seven Percent Solution on August 18, 2008 at 4:04 PM

LevStrauss on August 18, 2008 at 4:00 PM

Having lived behind the Orange Curtain it’s EASY to be stuck on the freeway there. McCain cleaned BHO’s clock. Bravo to Rick Warren and Saddleback.

Mojave Mark on August 18, 2008 at 4:20 PM

Uh, it appears that McCain was stuck in traffic in his limo. I suppose you think that never happens in Orange County, CA? And unless his limo has XM radio there was no way he could have heard anything because none of the networks were carrying it live.

rockmom on August 18, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Yeah ok. Tell that to your boss when you’re late for work. Millions of people plan accordingly for the horrible drive times in LA, OC and couties all across America.

Why can’t you just admit it was a screwup? What’s wrong with you?

The Race Card on August 18, 2008 at 4:24 PM

McCain did outshine Obama in OC. That’s exactly why it’s such a huge mistake to have given himself an asterisk.

***
Lie to me, I don’t mind. But it seems like you should be personally offended by the lying to yourself.

The Race Card on August 18, 2008 at 4:27 PM

McCain’s being late caused Obama to stumble, bumble and generally portray himself as a fool?

Not bad for a “senile” old man.

Bishop on August 18, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Bishop on August 18, 2008 at 4:30 PM

non-sequitur meets nonsensical

The Race Card on August 18, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Hey…shhhh…Obama is a total unmitigated moronic disaster for the democRATs! Shhh…don’t tell anyone…shhh…whisper….shhh…

sabbott on August 18, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Haha. So now McCain didnt cheat, he was disqualified by being late????????

Chuck Schick on August 18, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Hey…shhhh…Obama is a total unmitigated moronic disaster for the democRATs! Shhh…don’t tell anyone…shhh…whisper….shhh…

sabbott on August 18, 2008 at 4:48 PM

+ 1/2

The Race Card on August 18, 2008 at 4:55 PM

non-sequitur meets nonsensical
The Race Card on August 18, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Sorry, just playing off the claims of liberals everywhere.

I know I know, Obama was somehow cheated. I’ll just stick with that great explanation and be happy.

Bishop on August 18, 2008 at 4:55 PM

” GIVE OBAMA CREDIT FOR ANSWERING CANDIDLY”

Sorry, but I’m giving him credit for sucking up to his host.

JM Hanes on August 18, 2008 at 4:58 PM

I’m um…Barack Obama…and the abortion race card has recently been played and I…um…err…am…forced to respond that John McAbortion…um…err…has…done nothing to stop abortion and I support my John McCain’s obvious position…

sabbott on August 18, 2008 at 4:58 PM

McCain could have said just about anything after the disastrous Obama session, all he had to was speak with a modicum of sense and he would make Obama look like an idiot.

“Above my paygrade” was an epic mistake and Obama can put the blame squarely upon himself. Crying about it won’t change the facts.

Bishop on August 18, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Do they expect Putin to give him a transcript in advance?

Admit he’s a failure dems..go back to Queen Hildebeast while you still can.

SaintOlaf on August 18, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Team Obama desperate much? It’s not good to let them see you sweat. So now we will distract the public by announcing my VP pick early. Good Luck with that. Ignore the man behind the curtain…

Dr Evil on August 18, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Looks like all real Christians will have to hold their noses just a tad harder if they’re still planning to vote for McCain.

Ah, well, it’s not the means but the end that justifies religous beliefs, eh?

That’s in the bible, ain’t it?

alphie on August 18, 2008 at 5:48 PM

“Nah, nah, nah, God damn America, that’s in the Bible!”

And the real democrats won’t have to hold their noses when they vote for Obama.

“He ain’t Rich! He ain’t White!…” – “He KNOWS what it’ slike to be raised by a single parent!!”

wise_man on August 18, 2008 at 5:53 PM

Who woulda thunk it? The Obama campaign’s idiotic response to Obama’s idiotic performance kept this story alive into this week.

Think they can keep in alive into next week?

Is this fun or what?

Pythagoras on August 18, 2008 at 6:00 PM

I am not going to blame McCain for not showing up on time. For all I know they got stuck in traffic, who cares? The whole issue is absurd.

As for avoiding the situation by showing up on time? No, it would not have mattered. Even if he had been sitting right there in that little cone of silence thingee, the left would have said he was wired. Or some such nonsense.

Terrye on August 18, 2008 at 6:01 PM

alhie:

go away

Terrye on August 18, 2008 at 6:02 PM

Are we really sure that Obama isn’t Muslin? He sure shares the trait of perpetual whining with them.

TooTall on August 18, 2008 at 6:08 PM

Looks like all real Christians will have to hold their noses just a tad harder if they’re still planning to vote for McCain.

Ah, well, it’s not the means but the end that justifies religous beliefs, eh?

That’s in the bible, ain’t it?

alphie on August 18, 2008 at 5:48 PM

Still waiting on proof McCain cheated. Any of you whiners found it yet?

Certainly you have better uses for your time than constantly illustrating what a horse’s ass you are. Right?

Chuck Schick on August 18, 2008 at 6:16 PM

Chuck Schick on August 18, 2008 at 6:16 PM

alphie has already proven that truth doesn’t matter, all that matters is power to libs like him.

don’t expect him/her/it to answer anything that requires thought.

right4life on August 18, 2008 at 6:41 PM

We know McCain’s a cheater, Chuck.

Just ask his first wife.

So, the burden of proof is on MCain do prove he didn’t cheat this time.

Still waitin’.

alphie on August 18, 2008 at 7:12 PM

Winners never whine about looooosers cheating!

McCain = winner! Obammmy = Loooooser!

Does Obammy even dare show up for another debate? Probably won’t unless Chrissy Matthews or his buddy Olberdork are the moderators.

dhunter on August 18, 2008 at 7:25 PM

We know McCain’s a cheater, Chuck.

Just ask his first wife.

So, the burden of proof is on MCain do prove he didn’t cheat this time.

Still waitin’.

alphie on August 18, 2008 at 7:12 PM

Im pretty sure that in this country, the burden is still on the accuser, Komrade.

Chuck Schick on August 18, 2008 at 7:35 PM

And Alphie, still waiting on that link that somehow proved Obama won the Saddleback forum. Honestly no one here has ever considered you credible, but it is fun watching you lie over and over again.

Chuck Schick on August 18, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Back in the old days on Captain’s Quarters blog, there was this poster ‘monkeyboy’ (turned out to be a female) for years trolling Ed’s writing and the comment section.

Finally she managed to get herself banned from Ed’s blog.

Then ‘alphie’ turned up, who also turned out to be a female, taking > 99% of the position as the ‘monkeyboy’.

Coincidence?

Sir Napsalot on August 18, 2008 at 8:37 PM


We shouldn’t even be discussing this crap. McCain won and that’s that.
Outlander on August 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Won what? The admiration of a bunch of weak-minded, hypocrites whose only wish is to cram their death-worshiping cult-values down the throats of every American?

No representation without taxation. This church and its monkeys can go to hell.

DanKenton on August 18, 2008 at 8:40 PM

About 35 seconds into this audio clip up until about 49 seconds, Obama admits that he “reviewed the subject” on orphans ahead of time. I guess he cheated and the preacher lied?

Limbaugh explained this on his radio show today: Prior to the forum, Rick Warren called both candidates and gave them the first two questions, as well as the general subject areas. This was to help them “feel more at ease” to start things off. IIRC, Warren even gave Obama info on an additional question, but McCain wasn’t there for the pre-launch meeting, so only Obama received that info.

electric-rascal on August 18, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Here’s the solution.

chasdal on August 18, 2008 at 9:00 PM

I agree that it was stupid to be late.

If They Think McCain Cheated [Jonah Goldberg]

They should demand a do-over with Obama going second. I’m sure the McCain camp would agree.

No, they should sit there at a forum, together, with no questions/topics sent to them, ahead, and just answer whatever the fruck is asked of them. Let’s see who agrees to this forum.

Entelechy on August 18, 2008 at 9:37 PM

i already predicted on a thread the other day obama would find an excuse to duck the debates. i sincerely doubt he will agree to even one. he’ll have some really lame excuse but after saturday he cant afford anymore unscripted events where a direct comparison can be made.

chasdal on August 18, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Admit he’s a failure dems..go back to Queen Hildebeast while you still can.

SaintOlaf on August 18, 2008 at 5:16 PM

That train is about to leave the station. I’m waiting for the national guard to be called up in Denver.

myamphibian on August 18, 2008 at 11:29 PM

This is what Obama is..

http://i33.tinypic.com/fz91sm.jpg

Click that

Chakra Hammer on August 19, 2008 at 3:43 AM

So it turns out that Pastor Rick Warren, in an effort to increase the candidates’ comfort level

Yeah, that’s what “Pastor” Warren is all about – comfort. Dont expect any sin and redemption sermons from him.

abcurtis on August 19, 2008 at 7:40 AM

Sorry folks, i don’t like this Rick Warren guy. Maybe it’s his
self-proclaimed ‘imperfections’ I pick up on but he seems like a slick operator who cashed in on his common sense.
If both of them knew what some of the questions were, so what? That’s the way they do it in media-run politics, (even tho Warren says he isn’t a ‘politico’), McCain got to the point without all the ‘thoughtful’ pauses, convoluted trips thru the tulips and soft, downward glances that made me run for the bathroom when Barry was onstage.
Barry should try it again so we can have more evidence that he is a lightweight.

Christine on August 19, 2008 at 2:53 PM

This is what Obama is..
http://i33.tinypic.com/fz91sm.jpg
Click that
Chakra Hammer
LOL! My kids would say: ‘And, noobs get pwned’.
Yes, that’s the correct spelling.

Christine on August 19, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Biraq Oblahblah is a pathetic sorry loser.

McCain cleaned his clock at Saddleback, and the Harvard grad could do nothing but pee his pants, and didn’t get a diaper change. Without a teleprompter, Oblahblah stuttered, and doodled like the sorry inexperienced freshman kid that he is.

byteshredder on August 19, 2008 at 6:17 PM

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