Team Obama acknowledges infanticide lie
posted at 8:00 am on August 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Russell Berman reports in the New York Sun that the Barack Obama campaign has acknowledged that Obama himself lied about the bill he torpedoed in 2003 that would have required medical providers to give normal medical attention to infants born alive during an abortion. The admission comes with a new spin, as the campaign finally admits that the bill Obama defeated in committee was all but identical to the federal law that passed the Senate unanimously in 2002:
Indeed, Mr. Obama appeared to misstate his position in the CBN interview on Saturday when he said the federal version he supported “was not the bill that was presented at the state level.”
His campaign yesterday acknowledged that he had voted against an identical bill in the state Senate, and a spokesman, Hari Sevugan, said the senator and other lawmakers had concerns that even as worded, the legislation could have undermined existing Illinois abortion law. Those concerns did not exist for the federal bill, because there is no federal abortion law.
In 2005, the campaign noted, a “Born Alive” bill passed the Illinois Legislature after another clause had been added that explicitly stated that the legislation would have no effect on existing state abortion laws.
In this version, Obama finally acknowledges that the bill he shot down as committee chair had the neutrality clause, but now he voted against it because it would have had some deleterious effect on abortion law. As the NRLC points out to Berman, that’s flat-out untrue. The neutrality clause Obama now acknowledge existed in the law explicitly stated that the law had no intent on affecting abortions in which the fetus did not survive; that was the entire point of the neutrality clause. Even without it, in the language of the original bill, the law clearlt stated that it only applied to infants born alive.
So Obama lied, and in typical fashion for liars, lashed out at the people who exposed the lie before finally acknowledging it. He told David Brody in his CBN interview taped Saturday that he found it “offensive” that people pushed him on this issue, and 24 hours later the campaign folded on the point.
Infanticide is one act that most people, regardless of political bent or degree of religious faith, regard as evil. Obama had this to say about confronting evil:
“Evil does exist,” Obama began acknowledging the premise of the question as he ticked off the evils of genocide in Darfur, inner-city crime and child abuse. “I think it has to be confronted. It has to be confronted squarely and one of the things that I strongly believe is that, you know, we are not going to, as individuals erase evil from the world. That is God’s task. but we can be soldiers in that process and we can confront it when we see it.”
If child abuse is an evil that must be confronted, then infanticide is even more evil. What did Obama do when he saw this evil? Did he confront it, as one of God’s soldiers? Or did he facilitate it?
The answer now from the Obama campaign is clear. Obama facilitated evil in order to protect abortion on demand, which was never threatened by S.1082 in the first place. That much apparently wasn’t above his pay grade. (via Jill Stanek and Michelle Malkin)
Update: Don’t forget to read David Freddoso’s column on this topic from yesterday, which lays out the evidence to show exactly who was lying about Obama’s record. Hint: it wasn’t Obama’s critics.
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Telling the truth is above Obama’s pay grade.
drjohn on August 18, 2008 at 8:05 AM
So Obama lied, and in typical fashion for liars, lashed out
This is a major personality problem.
It says a great deal about a man who denies a lie emphatically before his staff admits it was a lie.
drjohn on August 18, 2008 at 8:07 AM
Liberals don’t see it that way. If there is any possibility that the infant in question is going to be poor, disabled or disadvantaged in any way, or the mother wasn’t using birth control, then abortion or infanticide is the lesser of two evils (or reasonably acceptable, take your pick).
BigD on August 18, 2008 at 8:10 AM
“Evil does exist” – in the Obama camp.
TooTall on August 18, 2008 at 8:10 AM
How will news of this despicable behavior get to the average American? The drive-by’s will cover it up. McNumbnut’s campaign won’t exploit it because they don’t want to disappoint their base (liberal democrats). Sigh…
sabbott on August 18, 2008 at 8:11 AM
Only the most extreme koolaide drinkers will accept this from The Obama. Which means most of the MSM will.
aikidoka on August 18, 2008 at 8:12 AM
Obama’s the black Bill Clinton.
Shamelessly lying, while being self-righteous at the same time.
Parsing, scolding, know-it-all, do-nothing and when finally nailed on the lie, becomes a poor widdle victim.
We need a President, not another drama queen diva, who grew up without a father and still needs to deal with those issues.
NoDonkey on August 18, 2008 at 8:13 AM
The anti-Christ has spoken. And he’s embarrassed himself and his country. After another 20 years of embarrassment he’ll probably ‘win’ an election and be a president. Sad deal.
Griz on August 18, 2008 at 8:17 AM
What a pompous statement it is to tell God that it is His job to remove sin from the world. Sin is the result of man, and God already came down, was crucified and rose in glory to defeat sin.
Obama should focus more on his life’s ambition of supporting sin in order to gain power and prestige, and less on blaming the Creator for the existence of sickening, evil acts against the innocent of God.
Hening on August 18, 2008 at 8:19 AM
This is a big deal. Hammer it Mac. (Cub hater reference here)…that’s as inviting as a Ryan Dempster fastball right down the middle that 99% of the National league can’t catch up to. Hammer it like an American league hitter Mac.
LtE126 on August 18, 2008 at 8:22 AM
Well, gosh, thanks, Democratic Messiah. What with the terrorism, female genital mutilation, infanticide, genocide, innercity violence, child abuse, elder abuse, persecution of religious folks, etc, etc, etc, I NEVER ever would have figured out that Evil exists without your assertion that it does.
mjk on August 18, 2008 at 8:23 AM
“Evil does exist” – Obama takes a stand against moral relativism…kinda.
forest on August 18, 2008 at 8:24 AM
Obmama lied, would have live babies die
/not so sarc
bikermailman on August 18, 2008 at 8:27 AM
Is it so hard for this people to take accountability?
carbon_footprint on August 18, 2008 at 8:27 AM
The new head of the Party of Death.
Roll tape, Johnny Mac. You’ve just been handed a gift-wrapped issue.
JammieWearingFool on August 18, 2008 at 8:27 AM
Like many have stated before, it’s not about the color of his skin, it’s about the evil that exists in his soul.
Keemo on August 18, 2008 at 8:28 AM
Some people may be so committed to an unconditional right to abortion that they might not see killing a fetus who survives an abortion as infanticide. After all, if a fetus is not a person at the time of the abortion, then what it makes it a person when it survives a botched abortion? The implication is that if killing the survivor is wrong, then killing it inside the mother is wrong as well. I suspect that this reasoning underlies Obama’s rejection of the state bill and hence he saw it as a threat.
Bill Ramey on August 18, 2008 at 8:28 AM
Now that Obama has acknowledged the untruthiness of his previous statements, McCain needs to hammer him on this point. Support for partial-birth abortion is bad enough. Supporting the death of a baby who survives an abortion attempt is atrocious and I suspect 80%+ of the country would feel the same way.
Queasy on August 18, 2008 at 8:32 AM
He’s a liar. He’s a lying freak. Because of the subject matter, he disgusts me. He is a freakish human, an abomination, and no suave manner and voice can hide that any longer. For the first time, I do feel sorry for Michelle’s kids.
JiangxiDad on August 18, 2008 at 8:32 AM
Eh, this will be blamed on some research staffer who failed to update Baracky on his own voting record. You know, he’s on the campaign trail trying to save the planet, tired out, worn down, he depends on his campaign people for assistance, blah blah blickety blah cry me a river.
The Under Bus Crowd gains a new member or two by the end of the week because you know that Obama will never accept responsbility, he’s above such mortal concepts.
Bishop on August 18, 2008 at 8:32 AM
Weak response from Mac. Time to dial it up a notch. His willingness to
misrepresent issueshabitually lie should concern all Americans who don’t want a ruthless and slippery liar in the White House, not just abortion foes.Buy Danish on August 18, 2008 at 8:34 AM
Michelle is the one who helped to make him the man that he is.
Mojave Mark on August 18, 2008 at 8:35 AM
And I would like to second what JiangxiDad said; how ANYONE could support such a thing, especially for political expediency, is abhorrent.
If the RNC isn’t creating a whole slew of campaign ads over this then they need to have their skulls examined.
Bishop on August 18, 2008 at 8:36 AM
JiangxiDad on August 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM
Campaign Ad:
[Roll tape of Obama saying "Evil does exist"]
Narrator: Barack Obama voted against a bill that would have prevented newborn infants from being killed…
[Ticker of bill and bill number]
[Roll tape of Obama saying evil does exist all the way through the part where he mentions child abuse]
Narrator: Obama says he believes evil exists. Does he think infanticide is evil, or only child abuse?
fossten on August 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM
Senator Pot, meet Senator Kettle.
McCain’s people really shouldn’t be going down the road of pointing out the misrepresentations of Obama when McCain himself is a big fat liar whenever he tries to explain away his amnesty scheme as some sort of “immigration reform.”
highhopes on August 18, 2008 at 8:41 AM
On the contrary, Obama cannot use that against McCain because Obama is in the tank for shamnesty as well.
But I do see your point.
fossten on August 18, 2008 at 8:42 AM
How big an issue do you think abortion is in this campaign? Yes, Obama lied. Yes McCain is out there looking at pro-murder running mates to pander to his base constituency of pissed off Democrats. Yet….. Is abortion really an issue that is going to influence the outcome of the election?
highhopes on August 18, 2008 at 8:43 AM
A fantastic ad would be to make a 1 minute film showing Rick Warren ask the important questions (i.e., abortion, evil, etc.) and have Obama’s stuttering answers followed with McCain’s concise, quick and clear answers. That would be the smartest thing for them to accentuate. I watched the entire forum; after Obama’s segment, I remember thinking that he did pretty well. However, about ten minutes into McCain’s segment, I was amazed at the contrast between the two. McCain, not only met expectations, but he surpassed them so well that his Q&A made Obama look like an amateur.
carbon_footprint on August 18, 2008 at 8:44 AM
Elsewhere, an Obamaton suggested that people don’t care about abortion. This is exactly what can be expected. The left will conflate all abortion issues into one as though it was so simple.
There are two issues at hand;
1. Obama lied about his votes and positions on abortion and especially partial birth abortion and allowing babies to die.
2. Obama LIED. He lied in front of a national audience. He lied with ease and he lied with comfort. Obama claimed that Rick Warren was his friend and he lied through his teeth to his “friend.” Obama quoted Matthew while violating “Thou shalt not lie” and “Thou shalt not bear false witness.”
drjohn on August 18, 2008 at 8:44 AM
Spin it all you want, hopes, its just big enough of an issue to terrify the living hell out of Baracky. Throw in the cold busted lying about the issue and folks will start remembering the good ol’ Clinton days and the daily dance that clown was doing.
Bishop on August 18, 2008 at 8:47 AM
When the best answer Baracky could come up with was, “It’s above my pay grade”, rational people are going to wonder about his experience.
They are also going to wonder why Baracky didn’t say, “Life begins at birth” which even the hard-core abortion supporters in his own party agree is the answer.
Bishop on August 18, 2008 at 8:50 AM
Since when is legitimate criticism “spin?”
You people who are so unquestioning or uncritical of McCain really need to grow up and get a sense of reality. It is perfectly acceptable to point out the flaws in our political leaders. As it stands you people creep me out even more than the “WWBD” crowd.
highhopes on August 18, 2008 at 8:51 AM
Yes it is acceptable to point out flaws, and McCain has been the recipient of that pointing more times than can be counted. There are quite lively debates right here at HA about the man, so claiming that McCain’s particular missteps are being glossed-over means either you don’t visit very often or have trouble reading.
Bishop on August 18, 2008 at 9:01 AM
“Offensive?”
Really?
Obama’s whiny, self-pitying reaction to tough questions and legitimate criticism makes Dukakis look like Charles Atlas.
Slublog on August 18, 2008 at 9:02 AM
I think you inadvertently make my point. Abortion as an issue has been around for many election cycles. We all pretty much know how, and how much, it factors into decision making and outcomes.
But Obama changes the nature of the question to INFANTICIDE. Many conservatives of course see no diff. btwn abortion at any point, and murder, but most Americans do.
That’s why this is a big deal politically I think. Obama is far out of the mainstream on his abortion votes– even a mainstream that generally favors legalized abortion.
He screwed himself again, big time. He can not outrun his past and re-create himself in this day and age.
JiangxiDad on August 18, 2008 at 9:02 AM
This admission by his staff was simply “inartful” and will be thrown under the bus by the end of today. Our Great and Glorious Leader (May He Live Forever) is incapable of a lie since he IS the truth…
sabbott on August 18, 2008 at 9:03 AM
So in regards to Obama’s flat out LIE, the best you can splutter is, “Yeah…but…McCain kinda sorta does that too..kinda sorta”.
Bishop on August 18, 2008 at 9:03 AM
They are also going to wonder why Baracky didn’t say, “Life begins at birth” which even the hard-core abortion supporters in his own party agree is the answer.
Bishop on August 18, 2008 at 8:50 AM
How could he say that when his actions would then have supported unjustified murder of living infants?
duff65 on August 18, 2008 at 9:08 AM
And everytime somebody is critical of McCain a whole crowd of useful idiots show up to scream that any criticism of McCain is tantamount to supporting Obama. You’d notice that little nuance if you are really reading that “lively debate.”
highhopes on August 18, 2008 at 9:11 AM
This sounds to me like the Obama campaign is just doing what the mass media does with things all the time. Make a *BIG* to-do about something which is a lie and put it out there in the public’s mind, and then later, issue a hushed up retraction that people won’t find out about. The mass media does this all the time. Throw out a lie to the American public, splashing it across the front pages of papers across the nation, putting it first on all the nightly newscasts, etc. And then, when they are caught lying, issue a small one paragraph correction/retraction on page D99, which the mass media ignores and usually doesn’t report, and which the American public usually doesn’t find out about.
Obama here is doing the same thing. Make a big to-do of calling his opponents liars, but then issuing a quiet retraction later, which most people won’t find out about.
They are just throwing things out there and seeing if they stick. Most people hear about the big story and then don’t hear about the correction/retraction of the lie.
They are simply playing into his ignorant base, his base of people who believe the Right is out to smear him and the majority of people who don’t have that much time to keep up with all the ‘he lied, no he lied’ stuff.
And why not. It’s worked for the past few years with most things. Just look at how many people believe the “Bush Lied!” about WMD meme and those who believe that Joe Wilson told the truth. Or those who still believe that the GOP stole the election in 2000, even though all the mass media outlets did their own recounts and found George W. Bush won. This is simply a long tried and true tactic of the Left: holler the lie and whisper the correction/truth.
This campaign is going to come down to how many people are going to actually be paying attention. From the way that Obama has withstood every other gaffe, bad association and ignorance, I don’t see how this will hurt him either.
Michael in MI on August 18, 2008 at 9:11 AM
I cannot recall a time when I EVER misstated MY position on anything.
This is the problem with somebody like Barack who has no core convictions whatsoever. He is in pursuit of power. Period.
EJDolbow on August 18, 2008 at 9:11 AM
How could he say that when his actions would then have supported unjustified murder of living infants?
duff65 on August 18, 2008 at 9:08 AM
Exactly. His rear was caught in one serious net, so he extemporized with a hash of reasoning that barely made sense and passed-off responsibility to some vague “other” that would supposedly have the “pay grade” to make such a determination.
Baracky tried to absolve himself on the spot and had to resort to a fat lie to get it done.
Bishop on August 18, 2008 at 9:14 AM
It’s amazing to me that politicians don’t get this fundamental truth. In 2008, Edwards can’t be having an affair and keep his family values facade. Obama’s record in the Illinois Senate can’t be sanitized for the national audience. McCain can’t get away with the lie that he is a conservative. When the truth does get out, it makes them look even worse than if they had been honest and taken the consequences of their actions. It’s ok, for example, that McCain is a liberal but he loses any sense of trust when he runs under the false colors and presents himself a something that he is not.
highhopes on August 18, 2008 at 9:15 AM
Misstating something is citing a wrong date or something similar. This is not close to what Obama did. Obama flat out lied. After a while it’s hard to juggle all the lies.
drjohn on August 18, 2008 at 9:18 AM
Well, now why is this not getting wider play in the Big Papers?
LOL.
benrand on August 18, 2008 at 9:20 AM
And everytime somebody is critical of McCain a whole crowd of useful idiots show up to scream that any criticism of McCain is tantamount to supporting Obama. You’d notice that little nuance if you are really reading that “lively debate.”
highhopes on August 18, 2008 at 9:11 AM
This is about Obama lying and I’m tired of people like you constantly vomiting “Yeah..but McCain this and that”. Yes, I know McCain isn’t perfect and has his own problems, but the CONSTANT equating of McCain to Obama on every single thing is getting old.
Bishop on August 18, 2008 at 9:21 AM
You know what?
THIS would be a great time to name a VP and turn attention away for Obama’s bad start to convention week.
EJDolbow on August 18, 2008 at 9:22 AM
We’ve gotta get Freddoso out there more often to hit on all the points in his book. Corsi cannot become the face of conservative oppo research on Obama, because Corsi is bat—- crazy.
I can see an ad running in battleground states pushing Obama’s support for infanticide. Even moderate pro-choicers (i.e. single women voters) are likely to get really turned off by the notion of aborted late-term fetuses getting dumped in trash cans while still alive, and Obama being the ONLY PERSON in the Illinois Senate who thought that was ok.
Outlander on August 18, 2008 at 9:22 AM
I think that’s where talk radio comes in. Due to blind hatred and jealousy, the MSM in a stupidly responds to Rush Limbaugh’s challenges. That’s why I often ask him here to pick-up the mantra. Today is no exception.
JiangxiDad on August 18, 2008 at 9:23 AM
that should be, the MSM stupidly responds…
JiangxiDad on August 18, 2008 at 9:24 AM
Actually, I believe Freddoso made the point in his column that Obama joined with 5 other Democrats to kill that bill in Illinois. But, still, the point should definitely be made that Obama was the one who led that effort and even gave a speech about it.
Michael in MI on August 18, 2008 at 9:25 AM
JiangxiDad on August 18, 2008 at 9:23 AM
Well, I hope you are right, but, as I said, I’m just baffled as to how Obama is still even in politics, let alone the Presidential campaign, with all the gaffes, bad associations and ignorance he has had so far in this campaign. If he withstood that, I don’t see how a little infanticide is going to be the thing to sink him. Especially when I believe most voters don’t care as much about abortion as they say they do. Hell, it’s people who vote Republican who were up in arms about us damn conservatives back during the Primary when we were against Rudy based on abortion. They said we needed to get over it, because Rudy was the GOP’s only hope for this election. But, now, the tune has changed and abortion is now important again? Geez. Amazing how principles and values change when it is politically expedient to use an issue for or against one’s opponent…
Also, if this is going to have any effect, it should be unleashed a week before the election. Brought out now, the American public will completely forget about it by November, just as they completely forgot about last year’s issue-of-the-day, Amnesty, and nominated McCain.
Michael in MI on August 18, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Do I have to be God’s soldier to be a conservative? I hope not. That being said, abortion is evil.
Dr. Manhattan on August 18, 2008 at 9:35 AM
Congrats! It takes a certain skill to convert a thread on Obama’s lies about his position on infantcide into a rant against McCain.
a capella on August 18, 2008 at 9:36 AM
Some pundit whose name I don’t remember quipped that elections are generally won or lost by August, and the results are announced in November. Short of a stupendous VP surprise along the lines of a Hillary Clinton or someone from the opp. party, I don’t see any reason why this election will be different in this respect. I’d say beat the hell out of him now.
JiangxiDad on August 18, 2008 at 9:40 AM
I agree. It’s not just this issue either. We’ve seen him lie about and distort his record on other issues as well — such as gun control. McCain’s people need to show voters not only Obama’s far-left record, but also how Obama has been lying to try and hide it.
AZCoyote on August 18, 2008 at 9:41 AM
The frustration is we can’t seem to beat it.
Lie =
inartful choice of words= nuance.petefrt on August 18, 2008 at 9:43 AM
Of course BO is a liar. We already know he’s made commitments–mostly to his liberal base–on 25 issues that he’s flip-flopped on since he won the Dem nomination, so that he can appeal to centrists.
jgapinoy on August 18, 2008 at 9:44 AM
Bunch of babies under the Obama bus. Oh yes. This is where callousness crossed the line and became willful evil.
RushBaby on August 18, 2008 at 9:49 AM
Obama: This is not the Obama as state senator I thought I knew.
Dusty on August 18, 2008 at 9:49 AM
[RushBaby on August 18, 2008 at 9:49 AM]
Evil still has a comfy seat, though.
Dusty on August 18, 2008 at 9:50 AM
Here’s the bloody trail behind the bus. Please add to it if I have left anyone out:
Reverend Jeremiah Wright
Father Michael Pfleger
Dad
Grandma
FISA
Gun Rights/Joyce Foundation
public financing
NAFTA
DNC’s DC HQ
Birth Certificate
Che Guevera
Flag Pin
Townhall Meetings
Jim Johnson
Samantha Power
Baby Seal
Mike Klonsky, SDS Maoist, ex-O’blogger
Scarlett Johansson
Muslim women
Trinity United Church
Capitalism
Austan Goolsbee
Farrackan
Alice Palmer
William Ayers
Tony Rezko
Bernardine Dohrn
Hillary Clinton
Wesley Clark
Ludicris
Muslim outreach director, Mazen Asbahi
Kwame Kilpatrick
Babies
RushBaby on August 18, 2008 at 9:54 AM
FYI–Illinois already had a “born alive” law as part of its 1975 law (see below). I’m not sure why the other law was even needed.
(720 ILCS 510/6) (from Ch. 38, par. 81‑26)
Sec. 6. (1) (a) Any physician who intentionally performs an abortion when, in his medical judgment based on the particular facts of the case before him, there is a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support, shall utilize that method of abortion which, of those he knows to be available, is in his medical judgment most likely to preserve the life and health of the fetus.
(b) The physician shall certify in writing, on a form prescribed by the Department under Section 10 of this Act, the available methods considered and the reasons for choosing the method employed.
(c) Any physician who intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly violates the provisions of Section 6(1)(a) commits a Class 3 felony.
(2) (a) No abortion shall be performed or induced when the fetus is viable unless there is in attendance a physician other than the physician performing or inducing the abortion who shall take control of and provide immediate medical care for any child born alive as a result of the abortion. This requirement shall not apply when, in the medical judgment of the physician performing or inducing the abortion based on the particular facts of the case before him, there exists a medical emergency; in such a case, the physician shall describe the basis of this judgment on the form prescribed by Section 10 of this Act. Any physician who intentionally performs or induces such an abortion and who intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly fails to arrange for the attendance of such a second physician in violation of Section 6(2)(a) commits a Class 3 felony.
(b) Subsequent to the abortion, if a child is born alive, the physician required by Section 6(2)(a) to be in attendance shall exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion. Any such physician who intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly violates Section 6(2)(b) commits a Class 3 felony.
(3) The law of this State shall not be construed to imply that any living individual organism of the species homo sapiens who has been born alive is not an individual under the “Criminal Code of 1961,” approved July 28, 1961, as amended.
(4) (a) Any physician who intentionally performs an abortion when, in his medical judgment based on the particular facts of the case before him, there is a reasonable possibility of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support, shall utilize that method of abortion which, of those he knows to be available, is in his medical judgment most likely to preserve the life and health of the fetus.
(b) The physician shall certify in writing, on a form prescribed by the Department under Section 10 of this Act, the available methods considered and the reasons for choosing the method employed.
(c) Any physician who intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly violates the provisions of Section 6(4)(a) commits a Class 3 felony.
(5) Nothing in Section 6 requires a physician to employ a method of abortion which, in the medical judgment of the physician performing the abortion based on the particular facts of the case before him, would increase medical risk to the mother.
(6) When the fetus is viable and when there exists reasonable medical certainty (a) that the particular method of abortion to be employed will cause organic pain to the fetus, and (b) that use of an anesthetic or analgesic would abolish or alleviate organic pain to the fetus caused by the particular method of abortion to be employed, then the physician who is to perform the abortion or his agent or the referring physician or his agent shall inform the woman upon whom the abortion is to be performed that such an anesthetic or analgesic is available, if he knows it to be available, for use to abolish or alleviate organic pain caused to the fetus by the particular method of abortion to be employed. Any person who performs an abortion with knowledge that any such reasonable medical certainty exists and that such an anesthetic or analgesic is available, and intentionally fails to so inform the woman or to ascertain that the woman has been so informed commits a Class B misdemeanor. The foregoing requirements of subsection (6) of Section 6 shall not apply (a) when in the medical judgment of the physician who is to perform the abortion or the referring physician based upon the particular facts of the case before him: (i) there exists a medical emergency, or (ii) the administration of such an anesthetic or analgesic would decrease a possibility of sustained survival of the fetus apart from the body of the mother, with or without artificial support, or (b) when the physician who is to perform the abortion administers an anesthetic or an analgesic to the woman or the fetus and he knows there exists reasonable medical certainty that such use will abolish organic pain caused to the fetus during the course of the abortion.
(7) No person shall sell or experiment upon a fetus produced by the fertilization of a human ovum by a human sperm unless such experimentation is therapeutic to the fetus thereby produced. Intentional violation of this section is a Class A misdemeanor. Nothing in this subsection (7) is intended to prohibit the performance of in vitro fertilization.
(8) No person shall intentionally perform an abortion with knowledge that the pregnant woman is seeking the abortion solely on account of the sex of the fetus. Nothing in Section 6(8) shall be construed to proscribe the performance of an abortion on account of the sex of the fetus because of a genetic disorder linked to that sex. If the application of Section 6(8) to the period of pregnancy prior to viability is held invalid, then such invalidity shall not affect its application to the period of pregnancy subsequent to viability.
(Source: P.A. 84‑1001.)
jim m on August 18, 2008 at 9:57 AM
I think I smell roosted chickens.
Chuck Schick on August 18, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Liars often behave like this. pointing out a lie is a worse offense than lying.
Akzed on August 18, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Obama, Lie = same word
Don’t tell an Obama. Tell your kids not to Obama.
marklmail on August 18, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Obama (PBUH)(SWT)(SAW) does NOT “lie”!
It is “Taqiyah“!
I wish you all would learn the difference, it matters…
Dale in Atlanta on August 18, 2008 at 11:15 AM
If The Obamassiah find it offensive when people push him on a hot topic off the day, what are his presidential news conferences going to look like? Let alone foreign leaders.
He’s getting more and more exposed as not ready for prime time. Which is probably why Hillary hasn’t totally gone away. . .
rbj on August 18, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Thanks Ed, for following up on this story. If word gets out on this, Barry Oh-um-ah’s campaign is sunk. Not many people (outside of San Francisco) will cast a vote for a certified baby killer.
What absolute scum.
Jungliszt on August 18, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Yeah, you blind followers are doing such a damned good job of being objective about McCain’s faults. Not! The really stupid part of your post is that you “McCain is a saint” crowd are always equating the two and coming back with the demand we all go along with McCain because he isn’t Obama. I actually compare the two and you get all snotty. Sorry I’m not going to shut up about McCain just because some of you mindless drones get upset with the truth.
highhopes on August 18, 2008 at 11:54 AM
God forbid somebody actually wants to compare and contrast candidates! You be sure and point out which threads are the I hate Obama ones and which threads are the McCain is a faultless saint, OK. You Mindless Moonbats for McCain really are scary in the way you refuse to even talk about areas where McCain is wrong. Instead you attack anybody who challenges your delusions.
highhopes on August 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM
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Why is this description of ‘not ready’ used so often.
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It implies that Senator Obama is entitled to the Presidency, just not at this time. If the current campaign does NOT expose him to the extent of removing him from consideration for the office AT ANY TIME, it would be a failure.
News2Use on August 18, 2008 at 12:09 PM
highhopes on August 18, 2008 at 11:54 AM
highhopes on August 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM
What McCain-haters like you never seem to get is that those who disagree with your positions and arguments don’t have any problem with you stating them. The problem is that you seem incapable of civil discussion: Within two short posts you manage to call McCain supporters “blind,” “stupid,” “mindless,” and “deluded” – to name a few derogations (you really manage to pack ‘em tight). In short, you’re damned impolite – which is about the most restrained way I can come up with describing your style.
Your notion that we “refuse even to talk about areas where [in your opinion] McCain is wrong” is absurd, and belied at HotAir by the 500 – 1000 post threads devoted to endless, repetitive, redundant thrashing around on your top one or two hobby horse must-hate-John issues. Some of us hardly bothrt to participate in those discussions anymore because life’s too short to have the exact same arguments with the same ill-tempered hypocrites – people who spew invective while moaning about their hurt feelings – over and over and over again.
Here’s a tip: Debaters who constantly call their opponents deluded come across as crazy. Calling other people “idiots” is going to strike serious individuals as idiotic, calling other people “fools” will tend to look foolish, and accusing them of being “mindless” is a mindless tactic. You’re deeply deluded if you think describing other people’s beliefs as “delusions” is ever going to get you anywhere. If your solution to party disagreements is to betray the party, then you’re in a weak position to call others traitors to the party. When you or anyone refers to McCain as a “cranky old bastard,” others will tend to suspect you’re just a cranky old bastard. And when you accuse anyone of lying on the basis of mere disagreements, then you’re just a liar.
CK MacLeod on August 18, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Obama’s truth resides in his “cone of silence.”
wepeople on August 18, 2008 at 12:20 PM
A woman wants to go in for an abortion to kill her child and the child survives. Well that child should just die since that’s what that woman wanted and went in for! /sarcasm
Any child who survives an abortion attempt should be immediately cared for and given to a family who wants that child. Hubby was talking about giving the woman {I won’t call her a mother} a chance to take the child herself. I say no way. She terminated any parental rights she may have had when she went in to terminate the child.
kimsch on August 18, 2008 at 12:35 PM
That was a well-thought out post and just mildly hostile with huge assumptions made about my motives and opinions. So be it. McCain critics don’t get a whole lot of civility here at HA when confronted with the “shut the f**k up and vote for McCain” mentality. Yes, McCain is the least unfit of two very bad choices but I don’t see why that leads to the demand that McCain’s faults be glossed over. Lots of posters will say they don’t agree with McCain on “some things” but never get around to posting anything but their fears of an Obama presidency. That isn’t honest. I don’t see that posting some truth is so out of line.
highhopes on August 18, 2008 at 12:56 PM
One admission, and 1001 more lies to confess to!
For example:
*Occidental College records Not released
*Columbia College records Not released
*Columbia Thesis paper – “not available”
*Harvard College records – Not released
*Selective Service Registration – Not released
*Medical records – Not released
*Illinois State Senate records – “not available”
*Illinois State Senate schedule – “not available”
*Law practice client list – Not released
*Certified Copy of original Birth certificate – Not released
*Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth – Not released
*Full disclosure on Barry Soetoro – Not released
*Info on Kenyan/Indonesian dual citizenship – Not released
byteshredder on August 18, 2008 at 1:01 PM
BTW, I didn’t betray the GOP, the GOP betrayed its conservative values. The GOP in Congress spent like drunken Democrats for years. The party engineered the primary process so that the social conservatives/evangelicals would dilute the effort leading to McCain to sliter to the top of the pile. John McCain is a traitor to the party having been one of the chief obstructionists in the Bush administration to include keeping qualified jurists of the bench (such as Pickering). John McCain attempted to grant amnesty to millions and called me a racist for objecting to his plot. I am utterly justified to distrust this political Judas and opine against the crowd who wants to revise McCain’s record.
highhopes on August 18, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Hat tip to Jill Stanek in Mokena, Illinois, who has been on this story for almost a year.
Jaibones on August 18, 2008 at 1:14 PM
I don’t think this is the winner issue many think it is. While the nation as a whole appears to want further limits on certain types of abortions, the nation has a solid pro-choice majority backing Roe v. Wade; a majority of Americans do not want Roe v. Wade overturned. McCain would overturn Roe v. Wade but would allow abortions under certain circumstances (e.g., rape, incest). A portion of undecided (uninformed) voters think McCain is pro-choice. This is not a slam-dunk gain for McCain.
okonkolo on August 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM
On Judgement Day, let’s see Hussein try to lie his way past St. Peter. Then, after he stands before the True Lord, he’ll fall to hell faster than a stone off a bridge, condemned to listen to the cries and screams of all the babies who didn’t have a chance to live, or possibly having the eternal vision of Michelle aborting his children again and again as punishment for support the murder of other’s children.
That’s how I see it.
madmonkphotog on August 18, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Isn’t McCain’s riff more along the lines of letting the states decide? From a public policy standpoint, I agree with this approach since there are states out there that are decidely pro-life.
As for catagorizing McCain as pro-life or pro-murder I’d say he’s neutral at best on the subject since it has never been a priority for his agenda. Letting the states decide is the right legal course but it doesn’t mean that McCain is out there trying to protect unborn life. Throw in the fact that McCain supports expanded federal funding for embryonic stem cells and his supposedly pro-life creds get more than a bit murky.
highhopes on August 18, 2008 at 1:45 PM
What are you talking about, Bishop? I prayed daily that McCain would lose in the primaries. Do you assume that, because we support him now that we are his sycophants? As they say, you fight with the army ya got. My American hopes are slim to none even with his election, but I won’t get on here and slam him up and down– it’s demoralizing and self-defeating.
leftnomore on August 18, 2008 at 2:05 PM
BTW, Ed, I still miss CQ. I didn’t have to search for your posts, nor wade through Allah’s defeatist reporting. I appreciate your level headed communication of conservative, God-based values.
FREE ED MORRISSEY!
leftnomore on August 18, 2008 at 2:09 PM
+1000
I’m pro-choice (not as much as Barry, OK) but this whole thing is a HUGE red flag. We must do everything we can to keep a person with such a serious personality disorder out of the White House. The guy is extremely dangerous.
funky chicken on August 18, 2008 at 2:17 PM
No one says he’s a saint.
McCain is no Dream Candidate, but he’s far from being the Nightmare that BO is.
jgapinoy on August 18, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Ed,
Rush just read part of your analysis on the Air!!!
Way to go big man.
infidel2 on August 18, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Very funny, but…
Dukaka wouldn’t even theoretically want the death penalty for someone who raped & murdered his wife.
BO wants the death penalty for inconvenient children.
jgapinoy on August 18, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Unfortunately, the admission will never get the press that the original lie has gotten.
Just like newspapers burying corrections, the campaign knows this will go largely unnoticed by Obamaniacs.
PattyJ on August 18, 2008 at 5:24 PM
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