Laugh of the day: Obama blames McCain for messianic imagery
posted at 12:30 pm on August 17, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Earlier, I linked to the CBN interview David Brody conducted with Barack Obama to point out the Democrat’s continued untruthfulness on the infanticide-prevention measure that Obama opposed in the Illinois legislature. In reading one other portion of the interview transcribed by Brody, Obama accuses John McCain of deliberately targeting him with both messianic and anti-Christ imagery in an attempt to impugn his character:
Brody: Let me ask you a little about some of these ads that John McCain has been running not just on television, but on the web. Let’s face it, let’s call a spade a spade, there has been some Messianic references, there’s been some antichrist stuff going on, the celebrity, they’re trying to pigeonhole you a certain way. Do you believe this is being done on purpose?
Obama: Well of course it’s being done on purpose. They’re not spending a whole bunch of money to make me out as a good guy. They’re engaging in the kind of politics that I think we’ve become accustomed to which is you try to tear your opponents down and you engage in sort of slash and burn tactics. And very personal sort of personal character attacks. And one of the challenges for us in this campaign is how do you make sure those attacks are answered quickly and forcefully, but also truthfully and that we don’t fall into that same kind of tactic.
Obama doesn’t fall into the same tactic? Really? How about on June 21st in Jacksonville, when he accused McCain of preparing racist attacks on him?
“It is going to be very difficult for Republicans to run on their stewardship of the economy or their outstanding foreign policy,” Obama told a fundraiser in Jacksonville, Florida. “We know what kind of campaign they’re going to run. They’re going to try to make you afraid.
“They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?”
Or perhaps July 30, when Obama claimed that McCain had already begun racist attacks:
“They know that you’re not real happy with them and so the only way they figure they’re going to win this election is if they make you scared of me,” Obama continued, repeating an attack from earlier in the day. “What they’re saying is ‘Well, we know we’re not very good but you can’t risk electing Obama. You know, he’s new, he doesn’t look like the other presidents on the currency, he’s a got a funny name.’”
As for the anti-Christ imagery, no one can actually point to anything coming from the McCain campaign, except for Obama’s own logo coming out of a sunset in one commercial poking fun at his celebrity, which apparently resembles the cover art from Tim LaHaye’s rapture-based Left Behind novel series. On the charges of racism, Dan Balz notes that the Obama campaign cannot produce a single example from either the McCain campaign or the RNC. Obama hasn’t let a lack of evidence keep him from perptuating his smear campaign against John McCain — which means he’s doing exactly what he claims here that he isn’t.
Besides, who was it that came up with these images? They didn’t come from McCain supporters:
As far as I know, it wasn’t McCain that had women fainting at his feet in a series of campaign events. And McCain didn’t write the speech in which Obama claimed that his nomination was the moment “the oceans began to recede and the planet began to heal”:
Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth.
McCain didn’t invent Obama’s arrogance. He’s merely having a lot of fun pointing it out.
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I take McCain’s recent turn towards primitive superstition as one sign he’s senile, Bishop.
No contradiction there.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Of course you did, based on nothing more than you can’t admit that you are less conservative than the San Francisco city council.
After hearing of Obama’s plan to expand funding for faith-based community programs, you must have gone into paroxysms of doubt about voting for him. Those politicians and there wierd views about primitive superstitions, what gives?
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Yes, you are obviously familiar with the perils of rewarding bad behavior. Too bad more here aren’t.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:55 PM
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:55 PM
I can understand your unhappiness, what is your solution.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 7:57 PM
I haven’t seen any signs that Obama is senile yet, Bishop.
He’s young, healthy (and still married to his first wife).
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Nice…about what I’d expect.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 7:52 PM
I know, its awful, and certainly more awful than associating with people who set off bombs in Chicago.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 7:59 PM
So the tens of millions of divorcees in the US are all senile?
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 8:00 PM
No, jg, but they are phony Christians…
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 8:00 PM
SECOND LOOK AT ROMNEY!
SECOND LOOK AT FRED!
SECOND LOOK AT TANCREDO!
SECOND LOOK AT BARRY GOLDWATER!
SECOND LOOK AT COLONIZING MARS!
Or just write of 2008 and start thinking about 2012.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:03 PM
I haven’t seen any signs that Obama is senile yet, Bishop.
He’s young, healthy (and still married to his first wife).
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Odd, I haven’t seen any signs that McCain is senile yet.
What I see in Obama is a man who hangs with domestic terrorists, creates his own Presidential seal and runs for POTUS after telling everyone that he himself wouldn’t be qualified for the job.
Now the second wife thing seems to be a big deal to you, did something in your past cause you to have such concern or are you really making a decision based on that?
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 8:03 PM
What happened to all those fainting losers at these Obama rallies?
SouthernGent on August 17, 2008 at 8:04 PM
No but they may be broke.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:04 PM
I always enjoy it when atheists blame christians for slavery and the treatment of indians in this country, then turn around and insist we were founded by secularists….
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:04 PM
I donnoe?
I do know I have terrible tinnitus, though. It’s especially bad at night when everything is very quiet and there’s no back ground noise.
Ferinstance, I hear birdies singin’ pretty much all the time.
Did yah hear ‘em…?
A flock flew over just now…!
Actually I’m been more than a little concerned; I’ve been hearing geese flying south all summer?
That ain’t normal…!
What do you thunk…?
J_Gocht on August 17, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Most had their wallets stolen.
JiangxiDad on August 17, 2008 at 8:06 PM
No, jg, but they are phony Christians…
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 8:00 PM
This from the guy who pronounces organized religion as “primitive superstition”. Hehehe, soon we will be looking to Bill Clinton for relationship advice.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 8:06 PM
In the three decades since McCain divorced, BO has
befriended terrorists
befriended a racist, hateful pastor for 20 yrs
given political favors & gov’t grants to many donors (as well as to his wife)
voted against giving rights to abortion survivors
been on the fringe of the far left in local politics
been on the fringe of the far left in DC (for two years)
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 8:06 PM
I think you may have got too close to a 155.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:07 PM
there is no solution, only hoping and praying for the best. we’re in trouble with either of them. mccain will ‘reach out’ to the dems, and the repubs will feel obligated to go along. I hope we get a conservative republican congress that can offset the Mahdi…or mccain…but it will be harder for them to oppose mccain…
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:07 PM
I did not give relationship advice to that woman, alphie!
- Bill Clinton
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:09 PM
then avoid salt, and dairy products. have your blood pressure checked. tinnitus is best controlled by diet.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:09 PM
J-Mac is right of center, & always has been. Opposing him is helping Obamaoist.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 8:10 PM
Maybe so, but the center has been moving left for the past 50 years. He may know where to stand, but what does it mean?
JiangxiDad on August 17, 2008 at 8:12 PM
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Well that would be swell if I could just live in some bubble until 2012. Illogical.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Spoken by someone who believes that that is the only kind there are. Boring.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 8:13 PM
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:52 PM
Or you could just look at it as good old fashioned pragmatism. Given the choice between beans and rice and nothing to feed my kids I choose the beans and rice every time. I choose beans and rice because my kids are too important for me to let them go hungry simply because I think they should be eating steak. If I don’t live in the real world I’m going to end feeding my kids an whole lot of nothing.
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Only if the battery is laid 3200 mils out.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:13 PM
lets not get started on this….he’s betrayed us on so many issues, its very difficult to support him…chief among them are amnesty….you know my friends, for God’s children….
you conservatives are spawns of satan…hehehehhehe
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM
btw: I’m partial to obaMAHDI
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Entel_ were you an English teacher?
Perhaps a great student?
I’ll try to watch my “p’s and q’s”
Never happen!
J_Gocht on August 17, 2008 at 8:15 PM
A horrible over-generalization to say that all divorcees are such, but there are many millions of phony Christians around.
“What religion am I? I was born in the USA, so I’m Christian!” Common error.
The problem is that Christianity is perceived as the majority, & everyone wants to be in the majority.
In places like Saudi Arabia & Indonesia, if you meet someone who says he’s Christian, he is. Here, he may be, & maybe not.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 8:16 PM
I had been calling him Obamarxist, but with the Olympics going on in blood-Red China…
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 8:17 PM
But what if choosing beans and rice meant staying that way permanently, even for your kid’s, kids, whereas eating nothing might just be temporary?
And what if it was a choice between drinking salt water and not drinking.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:17 PM
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Have you always been totally happy with the candidate you have voted for? If so then I can see why this year is such a trail. I don’t get it. You vote for the guy that is going to do the least amount of damage and you work your butt off to get some decent folks in Congress. And then if that doesn’t work, what are you going to do. I think the masses, due to the advancement of technology, have shown that they can let Washington know how we feel. We no longer have to wait until the next election. Take that power and run with it.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Wouldn’t eating nothing be fatal? Jus’ sayin’.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 8:19 PM
for a man to be so close to power shows that this country is in terrible trouble no matter who is elected. most people want to be wards of the state….they’re looking for the new bi-racial messiah
can you dig it??
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Thanks Gilda for your insightful comments on the art and design, I think entelechy said “wait till Gilda gets here” and now I see why.
There are some really smart people here in the hotair community. This thread has been fascinating to read.
jeff_from_mpls on August 17, 2008 at 8:20 PM
All depends on how long.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:21 PM
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 7:31 PM
But your analogy, though useful, is merely academic exercise. In reality we are not talking about disciplining a wayward child nor are we likely to change McCain’s behavior or get him to say sorry for his previous offenses. At some point we have to step out of the theoretical and make hard choices that involve compromise in the real world.
I understand what it means to find McCain unacceptable. I was adamant about not voting for McCain and even after he won the primary I said I wouldn’t vote for him because of my principles. He has been terrible for the party and I think he would be a lousy President in many respects. In the end however I won’t have been true to my principles if through my behavior/inaction I help elect someone who would be far worse.
I don’t judge your choice. I am simply explaining the process I went through. It’s messy and voting for McCain is the worst thing I could do with the exception of voting in a way that helps elect Obama.
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 8:21 PM
did that with bush, it was pretty much a disaster. his domestic policy is a disaster…I’m afriad mccain will so discredit conservatism, that it will be a generation before those ideas are accepted in this country again.
pray, like I always do….but I know Who is moving the chess pieces of the nations….and I know His ultimate goal…I love this country, but its not the country I grew up in…
HE already has it…I don’t want it….and HE knows best…
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:23 PM
I think you just proved my point.
Chuck Schick on August 17, 2008 at 8:23 PM
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:04 PM
That is an interesting phenomenon that I hadn’t noticed. I’ll need to keep an eye open for that. Good catch!
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM
One day, a man named John McCain looked around at the senate where he was a long time senator and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through caucuses and primaries. He climbed over some candidates and went around others until he reached the Republican nomination.
The coming Presidential race would be a tough one, and so John McCain stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn’t see any way to win on his own. So he thought that he would probably lose. Suddenly, he saw some naive conservatives blogging at a conservative web site. He decided to ask them for help in winning the election. “Would you be so kind, my friends, as to give me a hand in winning the election?”
“Well now, Senator McCain! How do we know that if we help you, you wont betray us?” asked the conservatives hesitantly.
“Because,” senator McCain replied, “If I betray you, then I would fail too, for you see I cannot govern without your support!”
Now this seemed to make some sense to the conservatives. But they asked. “What about when you get close to being elected? You could still start to betray us and might still win anyway!”
“This is true,” agreed senator McCain, “But I might well not be able to get enough conservative turnout to win the presidency!”
“Alright then…how do we know you wont just wait till you get elected and then betray us?” said the conservatives.
“Ahh…,” crooned senator McCain, “Because you see, once you’ve helped to make me president, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with betrayal, now would it?”
So the conservatives agreed to take help senator McCain get elected president. He edged out Barak Obama in a nail-bitting race and was inaugurated in January of the year 2009. Now president McCain immediately got a democratic majority in congress to enact full amnesty for all illegals in the United States and all of their relatives. He also nominated Hillary Clinton to the U.S. Supreme court along with Senator Teddy Kennedy’s wife. Both were confirmed.
.
“You fool!” croaked the conservatives, “You have betrayed us and you will never get a second term. Why on earth did you do that?”
Now president McCain shrugged and snickered and did a little jig..
“I could not help myself. It is my nature.”
- HT, INC
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:25 PM
after bush the conservative movement is a mess. I’m afraid after mccain it will pretty much be destroyed, which is exactly what he wants. its like Ford v. Carter….choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea….I’ll take neither.
I’m in this for the long term, and even though short-term mccain may be better, long term he will be a disaster…where obama may hasten that long-term future that I envision….
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:25 PM
In other words, he wants Obama to win. Same thing the democrats want.
And you call McCain – a RINO, republican in name only?
What do you call someone here who wants Obama to win. Besides an Obama supporter. Usually you’d call that person a democrat. Or in this case, a Obamican. Don’t minimize it, or hide it. Proudly embrace your status. You’ll find it empowering. And everyone else here will understand where you are coming from. And know how to address you as you really are.
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Wow. Another lie. Sure are alot of them around here.
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 8:28 PM
But if your point of view is changed, the very thing which was so damning would become a clue to the truth.
- Holmes
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:29 PM
I’m at the point where I hate the phrase my friends
and especially God’s children
the way mccain uses it is a lie…yes from the pit of hell…
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:29 PM
…who just got his ass handed to him by the geriatric senile adulterer who can’t lift his arms above his head.
And they weren’t even in the room at the same time.
Chuck Schick on August 17, 2008 at 8:29 PM
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Did you really expect the country to stay the same as you were growing up? Did you shield your children from the changes so that they would have that same world? I am asking because I know that I tried in some cases but got lazy in others and took advantage of the new found entertainment. I admire people who can do that. I am not one of them.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 8:30 PM
That, believe it or not, is posted at Daily Kos of all places.
carbon_footprint on August 17, 2008 at 8:30 PM
so you say, but you cannot say why.
my point is easily made…mccain will say he’s ‘conservative’ but will govern like the socialist he is. blurring the distinction between socialism and conservatism.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Wow.
Lies, lies and more lies about John McCain, everywhere more lies from lying liars who tell lying lies about John McCain!!!
Will no one rid “wise_man” of all those lying liars who tell lying lies about John McCain?
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:33 PM
it would have been nice for it to become more free, instead of less. or perhaps become more Godly instead of more pagan…yeah I know a pipe dream. but whats the point of conservatism at all if not to make the country better than what it was?
absolutely I’ve had to shield them…for example, when I was a kid I used to wander around, ride my bike for miles away from home….not a chance on God’s earth I would let my kids do that now.
but I haven’t shielded them from how ugly this world is, and what it takes to survive in it.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:34 PM
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Another question. If you have left this all in God’s hands then why do you worry and why do you complain? I am a free will person, I am going to do what I can to skew the outcome but I am secure enough in my faith that if it is over tomorrow, I am okay. If I have to live through some bad times, I am going to do everything I can to make the best of it.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 8:34 PM
And of course McCain has in the past (3?) decades in office, governed as a socialist … like he is. Right? And there’s proof that he governed like a socalist, right? Bu looking at his voting record, right?
Or has he pretended to be a republican just so he can destroy the republican party that he hates so much. To destroy conservatism … that he hates so much.
Is that pretty much it?
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 8:34 PM
He’s like that, you know.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Sure. Stop making falsehoods that are without merit. That will make me happy.
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 8:35 PM
I’m not saying black and white TV was so great, I’m not talking about technology. I’ve been crawling the internet since the early days…I remember when PETA.org was People Eating Tasty Animals….for example.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Most neutral observers think Obama won last night, Chuck.
Were you fooled by McCain’s phony bible thumper act?
Poor you…
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM
So you wanted Ron Paul to win, right?
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM
yep…cap and trade, no tax cuts, etc.
mccain is a country-clubber, and wants to remake the party in that image…he hates conservatives, especially christian conservatives like falwell, for example.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:37 PM
I heard a phrase from David Limbaugh earlier this year – “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.” (I don’t think this was originally his but it did have a powerful effect on me.) The liberals are counting on conservatives doing that and I fear that too many conservatives may oblige.
We must not lose site of the choices and the only outcomes possible rather than standing our ground in spite of our best interest.
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 8:37 PM
A man [or woman] can do as he [or she] wills, but not will as he [or she] wills. Everybody acts not only under external compulsion but also in accordance with inner necessity.
- Schopenhauer
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Is that a fact?
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Don’t let short term fear be the enemy of long term success.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:39 PM
don’t forget mccain-feingold, mccain lieberman gun show controls…socialism.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:39 PM
do you have any examples to back up anything you say about mccain??
list the conservative policies/bills he has sponsored/passed.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:40 PM
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Well I was lucky, I raised my kids in the neighborhood I was raised in. Everybody knew everybody and we looked out for each other. They were still able to do all those things that you mentioned and play hide-n-seek after dark. And even though I don’t live there now we will be having a Labor Day Cook out with live music, played by my kids and others. I still don’t see any reason for your and MB4 to be so fatalistic.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 8:41 PM
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Really?!?!?!?!
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Hey MB_ we didn’t have no damn 155’s.
The RVN had 105’s. We didn’t work with them very much.
Got rolled out of a “duce and a half” once by an 81mm round placed in a culvert and detonated remotely like an IED.
The biggest things we had in camp were 81’s and 57mmRR’s. Had “buckshot canisters” for the 57’s!
Oh MY!
They shipped us a 4.2 inch tube once but; never sent any ammo?
The main problem was we weren’t issued any hearing protection from 1962 until late 1964. We rolled up “asse wipe” and stuck it in our ears, not to good, got wet, fell out, etc.
We spent way to much quality time in very close proximity to small arms fire, grenade and mortar detonations.
J_Gocht on August 17, 2008 at 8:44 PM
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:39 PM
The long term success? Are you suggesting that electing Obama is part of a plan for long term success?
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 8:44 PM
I checked out Dkos yesterday and saw, well, things like -
It was because McCain was simplistic.
It was because McCain was dealing in sound bites.
It was because McCain was playing to his base.
It was because McCain must have known about the questions in advance.
It was because they charged so much for the tickets and just had wealthy people in the audience.
They would not have said so many thing like that if they had not thought that McCain did much better than Obama.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:45 PM
What, you think that 8 years of Obama will turn out somehow bad for America?
Why on earth do you think that?????
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 8:46 PM
you’re very lucky. those places are disappearing.
I’m not fatalistic, just realistic. too much risk of a child being snatched these days. the country is obviously worse than when I grew up. it grows more socialist by the year….reagan didn’t reverse it, no one has, and I think we’ll have to collapse to finally convince people that the government can’t take of them, can’t play god.
we are going the way of europe…our roadmap is right before our eyes…and the dems want to take us there fast as they can…the republicans only a little slower….
not a great reason for optimism…in the short term…in the long term..I am very optimistic because I’ve read the back of the BOOK, and I KNOW Who wins….
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Thanks, wise_man, Bishop and Mormon Doc, I am falling back for a better position (dinner). MB4 and right4life, good luck, in is not in my nature to be so pessimistic so y’all enjoy.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 8:46 PM
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:45 PM
To which base do you refer?
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 8:47 PM
I’m sure that’s the first time you’ve been there. Lots of Obama supporter there, just like you.
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Have a great rest of the night. I appreciate your sound judgment and practical view.
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 8:48 PM
why haven’t you answered my request for the conservative positions/bills that mccain has passed/supported???
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 8:49 PM
There are more things in heaven and earth,
HoratioDoc, than are dreamed of in yourphilosophymedical practice.MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Got a link?
And you really can whine with a straight face about the debt and support Obama? Go read up on his plans. Balancing the budget sure as hell isn’t one of them. Last estimate I saw was 30x the annual spending increases over McCain.
Chuck Schick on August 17, 2008 at 8:51 PM
It is not the first time I have been there. I travel all over. You should try it sometime.
BTW, clueless_man, I am not an Obama supporter.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:52 PM
right4life & MB4
Just wanted to say that I am glad to read your posts in this thread. Makes me feel less alone in my disgust of McCain. Too many people here want to play the same game for years on end: pragmatism. While liberals/progressives continue to make headway in the American public by staying true to liberal/progressive ideals, so called conservatives continue to say we must be ‘pragmatic’ and accept liberal Republicans instead of conservatives. Meanwhile, the country and the government move leftward. Brilliant.
As someone mentioned in the earlier Obama thread, the GOP and conservatives have a bad habit of trying to defeat people, instead of defeat ideologies. Instead of standing up for the conservative ideology and explaining why it is best, the GOP and conservatives continue to sacrifice their principles and attack people and let socialism and liberalism and Marxism live on. Because of this, liberals simply wait to find someone who can present the message of liberalism/socialism/Marxism in a nice-sounding way to the American public. Now, instead of defeating the ideology, once again the GOP and conservatives are trying to defeat the person, Obama. Even if Obama is defeated, McCain is still a socialist/liberal espousing liberal/socialist policies, pretending he is a ‘conservative’.
From where I stand, conservatism in America is dead, because conservatives have chosen ‘pragmatism’ over standing up for conservative principles, while the Left continues to stand by its liberal principles and continues to move the ‘center’ more and more to the Left. Thus, the entire country is moving Left. This is what ‘pragmatism’ has gotten us. Brilliant.
Michael in MI on August 17, 2008 at 8:53 PM
I didn’t refer to any base. That was them making the reference. So you would have to ask them. I suppose they meant Republicans or evangelicals or wealthy people?
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Republicans really shouldn’t talk about the size of government after the last 8 years, chuck.
Really…you’ll only embarrass yourself.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Well Im not a Republican nor do I support the spending increases over the past 7 years.
The 8th year of course will be completely run by a Democrat house, and the deficit will be more that double that of the last fiscal year run by Republicans. Next year is projected to be the worst of all history.
Can’t blame Republicans anymore, sport.
Chuck Schick on August 17, 2008 at 8:59 PM
The three of us then, against not even 10 of them. Hardly seems fair.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Democrat Congress, I meant to say above.
Chuck Schick on August 17, 2008 at 9:00 PM
very true! good post!! the left has done Gramsci’s Long March through the institutions…..and they play to win, unlike conservatives….
mccain, if elected, will be the final nail.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 9:00 PM
But Bush said he’d cut the deficit in half by his final year in office, Chuck.
And I’ll wager most posters here actually believed him…
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Hell, Michael, one of you against less than ten McCainiacs seems unfair.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 9:04 PM
One of the reasons I liked this site was because the anti-McCain, he’s not conservative enough nuts(actually Dems or Liberterians most of the time)seldom came here and were not missed. But I see they are here, however ineffectual and illogical their ranting. Too bad, it was nice without them.
jeanie on August 17, 2008 at 9:05 PM
I just got off the phone with Boone Pickens.
I think I can develop a keyboard that will harness the wasted energy of blog commenters and he wants to bankroll the deal.
Beto Ochoa on August 17, 2008 at 9:06 PM
But Harry and Nancy had other plans for your money. They are the final word on budgets and spending. Once they came in, legally, Bush’s budgets don’t even have to be looked at anymore. President has no power over budgets once his party lost Congress.
This year’s deficit will be over double last year. Next year’s is expected to close in on half a TRILLION.
You guys are in charge now. Won’t have any Bush to blame no mo’ sport.
Chuck Schick on August 17, 2008 at 9:11 PM
but you are unable to counter my ‘illogical’ thinking. the only reason you mccainiacs ever give is ‘hes not obama’
since unwise_man couldn’t give me the list of conservative positions/bills that mccain has advocated/passed…why don’t you?
don’t worry, I won’t hold my breath for any ‘logic’ from you….
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Gosh Doc, you ought to be a more assiduous reader of HA.
If I’m not mistaken that very gem has been written earlier by erstwhile posters on this very thread?
In any event Mr. Limbaugh should have granted attribution to Voltaire.
Whata piker that Limbaugh!
J_Gocht on August 17, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Go for it. Just don’t forget all us little people who helped you get rich.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 9:13 PM
jeanie on August 17, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Really? I liked coming here and to Michelle Malkin, because they were fighting against John McCain and his socialist/liberal policies (Amnesty, global warming legislation, etc). Apparently, those conservative principles go out the window once the GOP nominates the guy and now we are nuts for opposing him. Ahh, modern ‘conservatism’, gotta love it.
Michael in MI on August 17, 2008 at 9:13 PM
And Alphie- Im still waiting on that link that said that all neutral parties seated in your livingroom agreed Obama won, or whatever it was you dribbled.
Chuck Schick on August 17, 2008 at 9:14 PM
But Bush said he’d cut the deficit in half by his final year in office, Chuck.
And I’ll wager most posters here actually believed him…
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 9:01 PM
And Obama has said…well, I can’t really post what he has said because it would be a matter of opposites for just about everything.
Don’t tell me, you actually believe him?
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM
It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.
- Voltaire
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 9:18 PM
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