Laugh of the day: Obama blames McCain for messianic imagery
posted at 12:30 pm on August 17, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Earlier, I linked to the CBN interview David Brody conducted with Barack Obama to point out the Democrat’s continued untruthfulness on the infanticide-prevention measure that Obama opposed in the Illinois legislature. In reading one other portion of the interview transcribed by Brody, Obama accuses John McCain of deliberately targeting him with both messianic and anti-Christ imagery in an attempt to impugn his character:
Brody: Let me ask you a little about some of these ads that John McCain has been running not just on television, but on the web. Let’s face it, let’s call a spade a spade, there has been some Messianic references, there’s been some antichrist stuff going on, the celebrity, they’re trying to pigeonhole you a certain way. Do you believe this is being done on purpose?
Obama: Well of course it’s being done on purpose. They’re not spending a whole bunch of money to make me out as a good guy. They’re engaging in the kind of politics that I think we’ve become accustomed to which is you try to tear your opponents down and you engage in sort of slash and burn tactics. And very personal sort of personal character attacks. And one of the challenges for us in this campaign is how do you make sure those attacks are answered quickly and forcefully, but also truthfully and that we don’t fall into that same kind of tactic.
Obama doesn’t fall into the same tactic? Really? How about on June 21st in Jacksonville, when he accused McCain of preparing racist attacks on him?
“It is going to be very difficult for Republicans to run on their stewardship of the economy or their outstanding foreign policy,” Obama told a fundraiser in Jacksonville, Florida. “We know what kind of campaign they’re going to run. They’re going to try to make you afraid.
“They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?”
Or perhaps July 30, when Obama claimed that McCain had already begun racist attacks:
“They know that you’re not real happy with them and so the only way they figure they’re going to win this election is if they make you scared of me,” Obama continued, repeating an attack from earlier in the day. “What they’re saying is ‘Well, we know we’re not very good but you can’t risk electing Obama. You know, he’s new, he doesn’t look like the other presidents on the currency, he’s a got a funny name.’”
As for the anti-Christ imagery, no one can actually point to anything coming from the McCain campaign, except for Obama’s own logo coming out of a sunset in one commercial poking fun at his celebrity, which apparently resembles the cover art from Tim LaHaye’s rapture-based Left Behind novel series. On the charges of racism, Dan Balz notes that the Obama campaign cannot produce a single example from either the McCain campaign or the RNC. Obama hasn’t let a lack of evidence keep him from perptuating his smear campaign against John McCain — which means he’s doing exactly what he claims here that he isn’t.
Besides, who was it that came up with these images? They didn’t come from McCain supporters:
As far as I know, it wasn’t McCain that had women fainting at his feet in a series of campaign events. And McCain didn’t write the speech in which Obama claimed that his nomination was the moment “the oceans began to recede and the planet began to heal”:
Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth.
McCain didn’t invent Obama’s arrogance. He’s merely having a lot of fun pointing it out.
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I have read HotAir for a long time and rarely post any comments. In the years that I have read posts at this site I have loved many of the insightful comments posted by the people here. Only rarely do I see comments that are asinine and redundant (SaintOlaf and RedPill commenting about the Huckster come to mind). However, Alphie is now number 1 with a bullet for posting idiotic comments. I think it says a lot about this person when there own website uses the term victim (alphavictim). You, sir or madam, are no conservative. The comment you posted about rubes make this abundantly clear. I am a teacher and will never earn $110,000 a year but I know that I will influence many more people than you ever will.
You are dead on with this comment. I can’t stand today’s progressive liberals with their ‘hate America’ ideology.
dawgyear on August 17, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Did Brody really say that to BO?
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:14 PM
I dunno–I think that ilk has been around since the ‘Nam War, & before that they were American (?) Commies.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Thanks for teaching.
I hope you don’t mind. I put single quotes around progressive, because they stole the word. They are neither progressive, nor liberal. These terms have been hijacked by the left.
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 6:18 PM
CW – I think you explicate nicely what’s touching about McCain’s open admiration for Abba. There may be even more to it, though – even the demented troll that so many here like to poke with verbal sticks is probably on to something when he associates the music with McCain’s Me Decade moral crisis: It’s so ’70s, the enthusiastic embrace of superficial, guilt-free indulgence right next to all of the ugliness that it acknowledges by trying to escape.
Can you think of another male politician who could get away with being an Abba fan? It’s because his masculinity is so unquestioned – the point that it frightens the easily frightened over on the left – that McCain can. He’s like a Hell’s Angel with a fondness for teacup poodles.
As for Denver & Riefenstahl – don’t get me started! I’ll say though that there’s by now a high potential for a first-time-tragedy/second-time-farce effect. I also think it’s very highly unlikely that the Obama-ites will come close to attempting what Riefenstahl and the (other) Nazis did at Nuremberg, which was more on the order of Zhang Yimou’s Bejing Olympics Opening Ceremony. (Riefenstahl’s Nazi Olympics movie is also a fascinating piece of work by the way – as creepily mesmerizing as TRIUMPH OF THE WILL, and frequently rather beautiful.)
Gilda – to draw on another 20th Century totalitarian analogy, it’s kind of a Potemkin village of a campaign. I don’t think it was conceived with the idea that it would have to survive a two-year examination. He wasn’t supposed to win the nomination! For all its external slickness, by now the campaign’s probably a come-as-you-are affair – which is a problem if you aren’t all that much.
(Looks from your submissions that you may be a graphic artist of some kind yourself. Is your work on-line somewhere? Have you collected the Obama graphical elements you refer to?)
Gonna move my ankle to a more elevated position for a little while – thanks to all the kind wishes – it’s not really so bad (just a dog-walking sandal vs. curb twisting kind of thing – I’ve had worse, and to the same ankle, for that matter)!
CK MacLeod on August 17, 2008 at 6:19 PM
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:16 PM
I’m with you, these types of democrats have been around, its the net which has given them the ability to be so ‘visible’.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 6:19 PM
I’m just going to vote for Obama, MD.
I don’t think that makes me an Obama “supporter.”
Look at all the Republicans who say they’re gonna vote for John McCain even though they hate his guts….are they McCain “supporters?”
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 6:21 PM
…and there are many things about conservatives that aren’t conservative.
But nobody has come up with better terms, at least none that have stuck.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Heh. “I don’t support him, but I will vote for him.” Brilliant.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Heh. That old “right to life” clause in the Declaration is nothing to really fight for, is it?
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:26 PM
J_Gocht – August 17, 2008 at 6:01 PM
That was seriously your response to the questions asked. I’m confused by that. I’m just a simple conservative man so I come here to learn and gain a better understanding. When I see people just being antagonistic I want to understand that as well. If you’ll forgive me it seems like your comment is out of place. Of course if you have something to add regarding the questions that were asked then by all means.
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Honorable service = “sucking” in alphie’s book.
Where do you
worksuck, alphie?jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Look at all the Republicans who say they’re gonna vote for John McCain even though they hate his guts….are they McCain “supporters?”
I doubt many of them would refer to themselves as “true liberals”. True conservatives, as you claim to be, wouldn’t embrace tax hikes from any candidate of any party.
You do have other options if you don’t like McCain or Obama: don’t vote, vote third party, write-in the name of your choice.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 6:29 PM
It’s an interesting study to look at the ’swiftboating’ of John Kerry, and Move On PAC’s “General Betray Us” New York Times discount ad.
The swiftboat men were correcting the record that John McCain lied about. They were so angered by his behavior, that they couldn’t sit still and allow this to go unchallenged. The press vilified them, and for now on, the term ’swiftboating’ is a verb used by the left to mean to unfairly attack by republicans. Disgusting.
And we all know about the “General Betray Us” ad. I was hoping to see many democrats condemn this ad for all the levels of scorn that it so richly deserved. Too many remained quiet to what was done in their name. Again, Move On does not have exclusive rights to speak for all democrats, but if you are a democrat and don’t object, then forgive me for wondering what position you take on this, and if you agree with them.
The left, with their willing accomplices in the media,(Should be obvious) and in entertainment(such as Jon Stewart) get to frame and reinforce the story. They do this so much, that this becomes the absolute truth for them, and accepted by a tremendous number of moderates and a few republicans who don’t see what the media is doing is anything wrong, and disregard the media bias claim of the right.
And getting back to this topic, Obama is indeed enjoying the messianic imagery that his people and his associates are keeping alive. Do you think that Obama liked the sculpture of himself as Jesus Christ, or the Rolling Stone magazine’s portrayal of him with a heavenly glow? Or Chris Matthews comparing his speech to something from Abraham Lincoln, or the other comparisons of himself to Reagan?
Disgusting. And completely their doing.
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 6:30 PM
Bishop, I’m just a country boy. Many times I don’t express myself very well.
My point was Sir!
alphie kept the post alive he/she gave it life, épicer de vie, non?
Or not?
J_Gocht on August 17, 2008 at 6:32 PM
The swiftboat men were correcting the record that John McCain lied about.
Whassa?
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 6:33 PM
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 6:21 PM
I see your point about McCain voters and I am one of them. I disagree with McCain on so much and never supported him through the primaries. In the end, however, I will reluctantly support John McCain but to claim that I am voting for him without being a supporter seems a little contradictory.
With that in mind I am still confused by some of your posts. You stated support for Obama’s positions and then said you would vote for him but you are not an Obama supporter. Perhaps it is just a semantic issue.
I am very interested in your point about being a true or real conservative. That term is a little nebulous so if you wouldn’t mind perhaps you will define that a little bit or direct me to where I can read more about what that means. Would you say there is a significant number of conservatives of that ilk who are supporting/voting (but not supporting) Obama?
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 6:34 PM
That’s the way our election process works. After the primary season is over, you get two choices, and one person of the two is guaranteed to be the next president. I’d love to see the republican nomination process changed. When the primary came to my state, McCain was already ahead. I voted for the guy who was second, and he lost to McCain.
It would be awesome to vote for someone else, but the rules and the republican primary voters gave us McCain. For over 7 years, the left have been whining about Bush: “He’s not my president.” And while I disagree with McCain, I don’t want to act in the same childish behavior in opposition, after the fact. I had my chance. I voted. I lost. And McCain is the nominee.(presumptive.)
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Say who lied?
Are you discussing my post, wise man?
J_Gocht on August 17, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Re: Denver & Riefenstahl
I’m digging this subthread about campaign art/propoganda. Kudos to all involved.
I think it can be agreed that Obama peaked WAY too early. Moving the speech to a huge stadium, then putting pricetags on admission, is Obama setting himself up for a major letdown? Earlier there was discussion of uncommonly cold weather. Is it possible that the stadium will only be half full? I know it’s unlikely, but I’m glowing inside at the thought of it. Will the city of Denver need to bus in the homeless and let the protestors out of the zoo to make it a sellout crowd? The “Advent of the Lightworker” fizzle like Al Gore’s concert?
innominatus on August 17, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Completely messed that up and didn’t see it in preview.
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 6:37 PM
I think he meant to write John Kerry…
CCRWM on August 17, 2008 at 6:37 PM
J_Gocht on August 17, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Depends what the definition is of “kept the post alive”. If you mean that alphie managed to twist himself into a corkscrew with contradictory and outrageous claims, then yeah, but if you were to poll the people here I’m sure they could care less about the total number of posts.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 6:37 PM
I completely messed up my comment.
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Obviously McCain lied was a typo by wise_man, but if somebody emails that comment to the Obambi campaign it’ll be in an ad tomorrow and a swiftboating will suddenly be synonymous with whistle blowing.
RW_theoriginal on August 17, 2008 at 6:41 PM
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 6:35 PM
I’m just trying to explain to alphie that he, as a “true conservative”, doesn’t need to vote for anyone; there is no gun to his head. If “true conservatives” wouldn’t vote for McCain then they certainly wouldn’t vote for Obama.
Alphie is simply stuck in his own rhetoric and desperately trying to find a way out.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Most Republicans I know are voting for Obama this time around MD.
McCain is kinda the anti-Reagan, I guess.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 6:41 PM
J_Gocht, Capitalism is good.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Airships are indignant.
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 6:45 PM
alphie
Very interesting. I’m curious about that. Did they vote for Reagan and what state are you talking about? I’m just trying to understand what the vote is based on. Is it issues for them or do they just fear that John McCain isn’t mentally healthy enough to hold the job as you have expressed?
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Is that why they’re tied in the polls?
Well, McCain did oppose Reagan sending a few hundred Marines to Lebanon…
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Mormon Doc, are you treating alphie as a thoughtful, concerned citizen sincerely or in a mocking way?
If he gives you a thoughtful response, it will only be because I said he wouldn’t.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Is that why they’re tied in the polls?
It’s because most democrats that I know are voting for McCain this time around. Anecdotal, I know, but it makes for good “proof” on a blog.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 6:50 PM
P.S. I know you’re sincere.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:50 PM
I think it’s the huge debt little Bush racked up, MD.
And we see that McCain is no thinker, he’ll just sell out to the highest corporate bidder on all policy matters and rack up even more debt.
“Real” conservatives are concerned about the America we leave behind to our children….unlike the greedy little “Drill here!, bomb Russia now, teach our primitive superstitions in school now!” brats who have taken over the Republican party.
We’ll take it back before we pass on, though.
Making sure McCain loses is just step one…
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Let’s not get carried away on this issue.
alphie… like my dear departed cousin, loves to play the “devil’s advocate” and we love the repartee’ of debate.
Need I say more?
J_Gocht on August 17, 2008 at 6:52 PM
Agreed, except don’t forget Congress’ culpability.
…though he did wipe the floor with BO yesterday.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:53 PM
let me guess the next step…confiscate all the guns!!
then take over the medical system so libs can have the power of life and death over people.
after Obama and the wacko dems are done it will be the USSA (united socialist states of amerikkka)
yeah wanting enough power to keep warm in the winter, and being able to afford food is just downright EVIL. laughable.
yeah evolution is a laughable idea isn’t it now?
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 6:54 PM
…which is why we need waste-fighting, earmark rejecting McCain as Pres, not big-spending socialist BO.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:56 PM
I was waiting to see what his response would be, though I wasn’t holding my breath…See I kind of know he is just here as an antogonist, his posts arent’ substantive…an empty vessel… His sole purpose is to stir up things but what he doesn’t realize is that he elicits well reasoned and insightful responses that teach and enlighten… and so his mission actually backfires… If he paid attention to what you all write he would probably be swayed… but he doesn’t… so he won’t be…
CCRWM on August 17, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Oh my, alphie must be awfully concerned with Obama’s flip-flop on oil drilling and leaving 80,000 troops in Iraq, not to mention his plan to expand “faith based initiatives” (i.e. “primitive superstitions”)
How will he ever reconcile things? By voting Obama of course, as any “true conservative” would.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 6:57 PM
liberals are by definition uneducated and easily led.
the leaders of the party are all about power, and they’ll say whatever they need to get power over people’s lives.
suckas like alphie will be the ones to suffer….but they’ll be comforted because they think they’re ’stickin it to the rich’
not realizing that the ‘rich’ are their democratic leaders like kennedy.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 6:58 PM
Yes, right4life–that “spontaneous generation of life” is a laugher!
Either God created life, or, as Dawkins says, little green men “seeded” the Earth.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Screw-up or the mask slips off?
With most extreme McCain supporting commenters I would figure screw-up, an awfully monumental one to be sure, but probably just a screw-up, however since “wise_man’s” defense of McCain has always been so deficient I have long suspected that he is really an Obama supporter just trying to make McCain look bad by defending him so poorly, kind of like a lawyer throwing a case or a boxer throwing a fight, so I’m leaning to his being an Obama supporter now more than ever.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Well said.
Me? I’m having fun replying to his comments.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 7:00 PM
I like how Dawkins says: Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose
so basically you have to give up common sense to believe in the atheist fairy tale of evolution.
yeah Stein got him good in expelled….
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 7:02 PM
I dunno, awfully damn long to be a typo.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:03 PM
J, how many items would you consider to have exploded too close to your head? The Unabomber Manifesto made more sense to me than your contribution to HotAir.
Chuck Schick on August 17, 2008 at 7:03 PM
McCain did rightly call the Swiftboaties a pack of liars, MB4…
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 7:04 PM
Typo. John McCain, John Kerry, after umteen posts mentioning John McCain. I give the nod to wise man, it was a mistake.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM
wasn’t that ghost-written by ALGORE???
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Oh wise_man have no fear, the olde _Gocht boye is here!
Actually I was aware of exactly what you meant to post.
It was just a jesting, feeble attempt on my part to increase your metabolism.
If I did… my very best hope is, it had a most positive effect!
J_Gocht on August 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Note to Paulnuts – when Obama is done, you won’t have a country to take back.
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 7:06 PM
so why hasn’t kerry ever released those medical records like he said he would?
whats he hiding?
and what about that trip to Cambodia, SEARED in his memory???
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 7:06 PM
Thems that mind don’t matter and thems that matter don’t mind.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:06 PM
Everyone, please excuse this annoying little insect as he buzzes about the page with his own brand of crazy. He does this a lot. I think he’s attempting to ‘out annoy’ alphie. If that’s possible.
Again, if he’s ignored, then the little bug will just get upset and throw a temper tantrum. Shouldn’t last too long.
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 7:07 PM
McCain did rightly call the Swiftboaties a pack of liars, MB4…
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 7:04 PM
McCain said the ads were dishonest and dishonorable, yet they were never disproven; still one million bucks floating around out there for the first person to do so.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 7:09 PM
I don’t think they care.
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 7:09 PM
I don’t know, right?
Do keep attacking the wrong target, though…seems to be a Republican theme this year.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 7:10 PM
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:10 PM
another bend-over to the dems that really annoys me about captain queeg mccain.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 7:10 PM
What a hateful, inaccurate thing to say.
wise_man has added a lot more to this & other threads than you. Obviously–to any objective observer–he meant “Kerry” but accidentally wrote McCain. And his comments are interesting & informative.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 7:10 PM
wise_man, take your own advice/medicine.
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 7:10 PM
According to the latest arguement brought forth by
the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy,it appears that the
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy is accusing the VLWC
of taking their idea,and brainwashing the ‘one’!
Now Hopey and Changey is on all the worlds
a stage,in a Styx style Grand Allusion,except
it appears,Obama is missing the allusion! haha!
Wait a tick,I thought Liberals believed in seperation
of church and State,then how can Obama be so mixed
up in this religious mess that flippinzee/flopponzee
has painted himself so nicely into a corner of the
church!
Sumpin ain’t right with Barack!
So,Obama has victimized himself,again!
canopfor on August 17, 2008 at 7:11 PM
I dunno, coupled with his seeming to throw so many of his McCain defenses, seems very suspicious to me.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:13 PM
I have committed the ultimate sin of not marching in lockstep with MB4 and the rest of the people who want McCain to loose at all costs. I seem to be his public enemy #1 here, and my opinion must not be tolerated and distorted by him and the others at all costs.
For further reference, see the post: Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 7:06 PM
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 7:14 PM
And that would be what?
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 7:14 PM
I thought it was Illusion…?
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 7:15 PM
I don’t know, right?
alphie on Aug 17,2008 at 7:00PM.
alphie: I think your a bitter Republican,and not
a Democrat,keep hanging around,I know you’ll
vote for McCain.:)
canopfor on August 17, 2008 at 7:16 PM
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 6:50 PM
As a behaviorist this is a type of research for me. But now that the cat is out of the bag I don’t see much value in continuing the study. I was sincere about understanding if he genuinely believes that he is a conservative and I wanted to know a little bit about the people around him. I think I understand his situation a little bit better based on his responses and the information has provided.
It sounds like he is surrounded by people that are very liberal and he may be a bit less liberal than the group. Because of that, the people in his group refer to him as a conservative which is a title he relishes because it helps distinguish him in the group.
It sounds like he may have been surrounded by this group for so long that he actually believes he’s a conservative without really understanding what the term means. Since the people he trusts call him a conservative he believes that he is a “real” or “true” conservative while others who have more traditionally conservative views are out of what he perceives to be the mainstream.
To be fair this was simply a quick assessment but I think it is on the right track. It is also just as likely that alphie is a she as well as a he but I can’t be certain. The victim status and loathing of the military provide a very feminine portrait so if alphie is not a woman he may have some definite female tendencies.
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 7:16 PM
Persistence Sarge, persistence. It takes more time to get some recruits strac than it does others.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Quote “o” the day: Obambi blames McCain for the sun rising.
second digit on August 17, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Substitute “alphie” for anyone, and just step away. Your side will win. Invest in furniture futures, because couches will be sparce come Nov. 05. You will not convince anyone, and they will not convince you.
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 7:20 PM
This is indeed troubling, wise man could be an Obama plant, or a Rovian plant, or an Obama mole pretending to be a Rovian plant, or a Rovian mole pretending to be an Obama mole pretending to be a Rovian plant.
No matter. Alphie has convinced me that “true conservatives” should fully embrace Ultralib Baracky because for some reason Baracky is a reasonable facsimile of conservative values. And all because John McCain got shot down over Vietnam and secretly wants to launch ICBM’s at presumably everyone.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 7:20 PM
Styx style Grand Allusion
I thought it was illusion?
jgapinoy on Aug 17,2008 at 7:15PM.
jgapinoy: I stand to be corrected,lately my spelling
has been a little bit bad,and to think I
have my trusty dictionary,less than one
foot away!Ugh! Hehe.
canopfor on August 17, 2008 at 7:20 PM
I don’t do “temper tantrums” flea, that seems to be your PMOS on many occasions however.
Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite ‘em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on,
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on.
- De Morgan
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:22 PM
Sparce s/b sparse.
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 7:22 PM
Obama: mess + manic = messianic.
No McCain needed.
profitsbeard on August 17, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Elephants and fleas are indignant.
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 7:26 PM
The very things which are so damning become yet another clue to the truth. Except fore “wise_man” of course, he never could handle the truth.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Incidentally when I made the comment about feminine qualities re alphie(victimization/anti military) I had in mind a liberal female persona. This was not intended to be a jab just an observation.
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 7:28 PM
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Sadly the two party system doesn’t give us much of a choice at this stage. I have been trying to remember that a smaller percentage of something is alway greater than a larger percent of nothing.
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 7:30 PM
its too bad a real conservative couldn’t have been nominated. I know Obama is a disaster, and I won’t vote for him, but I can’t see rewarding mccain for sticking it to conservatives for years.
we’ve got to purge the republicans of these RINOS like graham. getting stabbed in the back gets old.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 7:31 PM
The very things…
MB4 on Aug 17,2009 at 7:27PM.
MB4: When McCain became the nominee,I posted,in
joking,Captian Queeg,the paranoid Captain
from the Caines Mutiny back when,the Leftys
are slow as usual!hehe
canopfor on August 17, 2008 at 7:32 PM
Hateful? Do you even know what that word means? Would not seem like you do. Maybe you have a Bill Clinton type definition or certain words.
Inaccurate? I think it was objective elementary detective work.
Interesting and informative? Well I might give you the first one, to some degree, once in a while.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:33 PM
If McCain hadn’t started pandering to the bible thumpers, there was a fair chance he’d have gotten my vote, cano.
Ignorance + ignorance = third world America, though.
Maybe in 2012, if he’s still around…
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 7:34 PM
you can thank those ‘bible thumpers’ for the freedom you have to make a fool out of yourself.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 7:35 PM
Oh buck up and stop being so damn whiny.
And you might want to run your What a hateful, inaccurate thing to say meter by this one jgapinoy, MB4 and the rest of the people who want McCain to loose at all costs just to get it better calibrated.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:41 PM
If McCain hadn’t started pandering to the bible thumpers, there was a fair chance he’d have gotten my vote, cano.
Even though the man is borderline insane and probably suffering from dementia (your words, not mine)? You would vote for a crazy man as long as he didn’t embrace the “Bible thumpers”?
How many times can you contradict yourself, alphie?
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 7:41 PM
I’m really sorry about your ankle but I’m really glad it allowed you to come here and add so much insight to this discussion.
Potemkin village, indeed!
Gilda on August 17, 2008 at 7:42 PM
Well then in that vien -
Competitor Quote “o” the day: McCain blames Obama for him getting so old.
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:46 PM
What are Bible thumpers? Terms like that have no meaning and yet they are thrown around all the time. They are kind of like Rorschach words because people see in them what they see based on their own predispositions rather than any kind of objective definition. To some people I am a Bible Thumper and to others I am not even a Christian. It’s very messy.
Those people could call me a Book of Mormon thumper (even though we use the Bible in our faith – KJV). But then again why am I thumping it? That’s weird. Shouldn’t it be Book of Mormon adherent?
It’s kind of like the term environmentalist. Seriously who actually wants the environment to be destroyed. Thus, isn’t everyone an environmentalist? I think we should be more precise with our language.
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 7:46 PM
I take McCain’s recent turn towards primitive superstition as one sign he’s senile, Bishop.
No contradiction there.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Quote “o” the day: Obambi blames McCain for the sun rising.
second digit on August 17, 2008 at 7:17 PM
A lousy athlete blames his competitors.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Bible thumpers in the tradition of Washington, Patrick Henry, John Adams, John Q. Adams, Sam Adams, Daniel Webster, John Hancock, John Jay, & dozens of other Founders.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 7:41 PM
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 7:47 PM
he’s become an evolutionist!!??
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Recent, as in, since he was named chaplain in Vietnam. And he’s been close friends with his Baptist pastor in PHX for many years.
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 7:50 PM
jgapinoy on August 17, 2008 at 7:47 PM
You know what comes next right? When you start associating the Founding Fathers with the Bible all of the secularists begin insisting that they were all Deists, agnostics or atheists. The rancorous comments that result from that debate should be simply copied and pasted to the threads to avoid the heartache.
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 7:51 PM
But Doc, that sounds an awful lot like AWS (Abused Wife Syndrome) or an even more virulent condition known as ACS (Abused Conservative Syndrome).
MB4 on August 17, 2008 at 7:52 PM
So, McCAin was cheating on his first wife as a preacher, jg?
Nice…about what I’d expect.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 7:52 PM
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