Laugh of the day: Obama blames McCain for messianic imagery
posted at 12:30 pm on August 17, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Earlier, I linked to the CBN interview David Brody conducted with Barack Obama to point out the Democrat’s continued untruthfulness on the infanticide-prevention measure that Obama opposed in the Illinois legislature. In reading one other portion of the interview transcribed by Brody, Obama accuses John McCain of deliberately targeting him with both messianic and anti-Christ imagery in an attempt to impugn his character:
Brody: Let me ask you a little about some of these ads that John McCain has been running not just on television, but on the web. Let’s face it, let’s call a spade a spade, there has been some Messianic references, there’s been some antichrist stuff going on, the celebrity, they’re trying to pigeonhole you a certain way. Do you believe this is being done on purpose?
Obama: Well of course it’s being done on purpose. They’re not spending a whole bunch of money to make me out as a good guy. They’re engaging in the kind of politics that I think we’ve become accustomed to which is you try to tear your opponents down and you engage in sort of slash and burn tactics. And very personal sort of personal character attacks. And one of the challenges for us in this campaign is how do you make sure those attacks are answered quickly and forcefully, but also truthfully and that we don’t fall into that same kind of tactic.
Obama doesn’t fall into the same tactic? Really? How about on June 21st in Jacksonville, when he accused McCain of preparing racist attacks on him?
“It is going to be very difficult for Republicans to run on their stewardship of the economy or their outstanding foreign policy,” Obama told a fundraiser in Jacksonville, Florida. “We know what kind of campaign they’re going to run. They’re going to try to make you afraid.
“They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?”
Or perhaps July 30, when Obama claimed that McCain had already begun racist attacks:
“They know that you’re not real happy with them and so the only way they figure they’re going to win this election is if they make you scared of me,” Obama continued, repeating an attack from earlier in the day. “What they’re saying is ‘Well, we know we’re not very good but you can’t risk electing Obama. You know, he’s new, he doesn’t look like the other presidents on the currency, he’s a got a funny name.’”
As for the anti-Christ imagery, no one can actually point to anything coming from the McCain campaign, except for Obama’s own logo coming out of a sunset in one commercial poking fun at his celebrity, which apparently resembles the cover art from Tim LaHaye’s rapture-based Left Behind novel series. On the charges of racism, Dan Balz notes that the Obama campaign cannot produce a single example from either the McCain campaign or the RNC. Obama hasn’t let a lack of evidence keep him from perptuating his smear campaign against John McCain — which means he’s doing exactly what he claims here that he isn’t.
Besides, who was it that came up with these images? They didn’t come from McCain supporters:
As far as I know, it wasn’t McCain that had women fainting at his feet in a series of campaign events. And McCain didn’t write the speech in which Obama claimed that his nomination was the moment “the oceans began to recede and the planet began to heal”:
Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth.
McCain didn’t invent Obama’s arrogance. He’s merely having a lot of fun pointing it out.
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negative campaigning, according to the drive-by media, is telling the truth about a democrat.
but I agree mccain should have a positive program, and tell the truth about the ObaMahdi.
most libs haven’t thought through the issues, they just think obama will take care of them, and thats all they care about. whats in it for them.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 3:42 PM
I suppose I am a rube. I make less than $133,000 a year and vote conservative. I also love to disappoint people like alphie.
Les in NC on August 17, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Les in NC, good for you. You saw the light. For alphie I’ve got a couch.
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM
I’d say McCain’s 13 homes, $500 Gucci loafers and his wife’s $100,000,000 trust fund are a better definition of Elitist, cold.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Insanity- Repetition of failed policy in hopes results will be different. That’s why the alphies of the world love The One. They really, truly think his magic presence will make socialism work this time, and that he really does care about them. I’ll bet alphie faints in his presence. Very unhealthy attachments. I wouldn’t like to hear about her dreams.
a capella on August 17, 2008 at 3:46 PM
yeah the liberals are just desperate for a savior…not the real one of course.
it seems like the Lord has already sent a deluding influence….
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 3:50 PM
I never lost sight of the light. It was how I was raised and how I am raising mine. I just hope not too many have been blinded by the light walker.
Les in NC on August 17, 2008 at 3:51 PM
CK MacLeod and coldwarrier –
thanks for great analysis on artistic genre — highlight of my day.
jeff_from_mpls on August 17, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Referring to people as Bible clingers, moaning about trying to make ends meet while living in a two million dollar mansion and complaining that the price of a vegetable many people can’t readily identify is elitist.
But don’t worry, libs, Obama really does care for the little guys, just don’t let your war wounds get in the way of a good basketball photo-op by The One.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 3:52 PM
unlike the ObaMAHDI, mccain has paid the price, with years of REAL service to this country.
and at least mccain didn’t get his house from a chicago mafioso.
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 3:53 PM
Why is it that some here have a problem with McCain’s wife’s money but are silent when the mention of Obambi’s wife getting a $200,000 raise when he was elected to the US senate?
Les in NC on August 17, 2008 at 3:53 PM
The McCain’s adopted a girl from Bangladesh. Cindy McCain pours money into charities.
The Obama’s don’t do squat other than fatten their wallets.
drjohn on August 17, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Les in NC on August 17, 2008 at 3:53 PM
They didn’t have a problem with JFKerry’s wife’s money, then again in 2004 he was the DFL candidate and because of his war service, he “deserved” his success.
The tables have turned, time to toss the warmongering Nam vets back under the bus.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM
I cut myself shaving, do I get a purple heart?
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM
25 year in Congress, suckling at the government teat = “real service” these days, right4.
Us real conservatives voted to get rid of carpetbaggers like Fudge Haus McCain years ago.
I see he’s won the admiration of the self-hating socialist, though.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 3:59 PM
I cut myself shaving, do I get a purple heart?
right4life on August 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Only if it’s seared into your memory.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 4:00 PM
“Us real conservatives” who are declaring they will vote for Obama, the guy who admits he will raise taxes and support abortion? I wasn’t aware the “real conservative” agenda included tax hikes and infanticide, I better update my GOP literature.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Four short years ago it was perfectly acceptable to be rich simply because of your wife’s money and it was also acceptable to talk about Vietnam all the time. Funny how some people’s belief system is changed by one simple letter after a name.
RW_theoriginal on August 17, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Don’t care about abortion, Bishop.
Real conservatives never did.
As for raising taxes…beats leaving our children the bill for our excesses.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM
I think we can call them flip floppers.
Les in NC on August 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Cut me the BS. I was there to personally observe the “Baby Killer” signs, the spitting, the insults, and all that crap from the left.
I was there, and saw it again, when the Air Force disembarked my younger brother from his second tour, six weeks after Tet. So, it wasn’t a one-time occurrence.
The leftist nuts were not acting like
“They were all our guys”. Your linking to a site that suggest that McCain ‘flew his ride into the path of a NV missle’ suggest otherwise for your thinking also.
Yoop on August 17, 2008 at 4:11 PM
This is not about abortion. It’s about letting a child born alive dispite the attempt to kill it and letting it die by denying it medical attention. You can’t justify that. Do it to an animal and PETA would go nuts, Obambi has no problem with it.
Les in NC on August 17, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Don’t care about abortion, Bishop.
Real conservatives never did.
As for raising taxes…beats leaving our children the bill for our excesses.
Redefining conservatism to fit your own beliefs won’t work, neither for abortion or taxes.
I noticed that you failed to mention ‘cutting spending’ as a means to save our doomed children; are you sure you don’t want to claim to be an independent?
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 4:15 PM
I sense Obama might like a pay raise if elected. Then he’ll be able to answer tough questions.
a capella on August 17, 2008 at 4:16 PM
John McCain seems to have redefined(flip flopped) himself as a conservative, Bishop.
Rubes sure are gullible, eh?
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Agreed. Excellent post.
Obama’s propaganda art is more in the Suprematist/Constructivist style with nods to the Bauhaus, De Stijl and even Dada and Art Deco movements on occasion.
Suprematism was quite in vogue at the time of the Russian Revolution and many avant-garde artists devoted themselves to Lenin’s cause. El Lissitzky and Kazimir Malevich would be good starting-place names to google for anyone interested in more info.
That Obama has embraced artwork that’s undeniably evocative of 20th-century totalitarianism is very creepy indeed, but his sycophantic followers seem to love it.
Gilda on August 17, 2008 at 4:18 PM
I feel sorry for all of the people who are responding to alphie.
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Funny how some people’s belief system is changed by one simple letter after a name.
RW_theoriginal on August 17, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Yup, the term “chickenhawk” has completely disappeared and suddenly being a combat vet is akin to being a bloodthirsty savage.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 4:20 PM
John McCain seems to have redefined(flip flopped) himself as a conservative, Bishop.
Rubes sure are gullible, eh?
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 4:18 PM
I agree, the man has managed to take some awfully un-conservative and un-Republican stances on very important issues. Thankfully he is being taken to task and seems to be righting the ship, at least a little bit.
With that being said, I’m stuck between voting for two men who are probably not the best choice for either of their parties and so I will have to assign other criteria. Those other criteria point solidly to McCain and no argument can be made against that; I won’t call myself a conservative and then claim that my “real conservatism” is forcing me to vote for uber-liberal Obama.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 4:25 PM
It’s my fear that John McCain is senile/insane that’s forcing me to vote for Obama, Bishop.
Politics got nothing to do with it.
Call it my survival instinct.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM
We are in the same boat Bishop.
Les in NC on August 17, 2008 at 4:29 PM
a capella on August 17, 2008 at 4:16 PM –
Touche!! Encore, touche!
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 4:32 PM
“Cheating, senile, insane, pants-wetting McCain” wants townhall debates with “nuanced, genius, all-knowing, young, experienced, sane” Obama.
I wonder why the latter refuses?
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Gilda on August 17, 2008 at 4:18 PM –
Thank you. Opens another window. Seems there is a socialist, social-democrat, bent to most of it. Just can’t pin it down. Sort of like his ad people just borrowed a little of this, a little of that, but the underlying theme stayed the same. Hate to get close to Godwin here…but…there is a good deal of Goebbels in some of the Obama televised ads, as well.
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Oh bull, alphie. That’s a crock and you only mention it now after whining about McCain being a lifer senator, needing to raise taxes to save our children and the fact that he has a wealthy wife.
You justified what Obama will do with taxes and that is about as conservative as Jimmy Carter, that item alone kills your claim that you aren’t voting politically.
And now McCain is supposedly half-crazy and descending into dementia? I call double bull.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM
alphie…give it up already… People on this blog will outhink you and intellectually show you up every time… and we don’t need to be rude or nasty to do it…
CCRWM on August 17, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Because a clock will be cleaned.
Les in NC on August 17, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Every right wing blog thread needs someone to wave the “Mission Accomplished” banner, CCR.
The job is yours.
coldworrier has steered this thread into the gutter anyways…
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Oh stuff a sock in this one, Alphie. Were about to end the first fiscal year completely managed by a Democrat Congress. The deficit will be over twice the year before.
Obama wants to add another 250$-300$ billion on top of that. The amount he wants to raise taxes won’t come anywhere near to covering it, and Obama has not even attempted to put a plan forward that would balance the budget yet, conceding he probably can’t even do it in 2 terms.
Social Security and Medicare are $57 trillion in the hole as of earlier this year, and that hole grows $2-$3 trillion a year.
So stop pretending you people care. You only care when the other guy does it.
Chuck Schick on August 17, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Gilda on August 17, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Thanks for your comments and info – also to coldwarrior and jeff – point of OT personal privilege: This has been a very enjoyable internet Sunday morning for me, as I sit here nursing a sprained ankle – an enjoyable and thought-provoking discussion at HotAir on Obamacist Art, and, almost as good, getting myself banned at TalkLeft by an insufferably hypocritical, and touchy, moderator!
CK MacLeod on August 17, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Well, isn’t this interesting?
Seems like those evangelicals who are praying, may be having a bit of efficacy after all.
For the ObamaNation planning on gathering at Invesco Field/Mile-High Stadium for the “Triumph of the Will” welcome to The One, Denver is experiencing record cold temperatures.
If not rain? Perhaps snow?
Dress warmly, y’all.
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 4:51 PM
My theory about why the left is seriously behind Obama is that it is cutting off its nose to spite its face… The Left thinks it is going to “punish” the right by electing the most left leaning liberal and truely inexperienced candidate it can find…The Left wants someone who will go along with every perversion under the sun thinking that is what brings happiness… All because the USA elected Geroge W. Bush twice…
God help this country…
CCRWM on August 17, 2008 at 4:52 PM
CK MacLeod on August 17, 2008 at 4:51 PM –
Your contributions, for me at least, are more than welcome. I see now that I should have payed more attention in those art history classes so long ago. It ain’t easy in these times to be a Renaissance man. :-)
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 4:55 PM
coldworrier has steered this thread into the gutter anyways…
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Really? Gutter? Steered? Coldworrier? Trite. Simply trite.
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 4:57 PM
The politics of covetousness on display here.
baldilocks on August 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM
The politics of envy as well.
baldilocks on August 17, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Well, to be frank, I’m not as disturbed by the aesthetics as I am by the content. I can almost applaud the honesty of the campaign’s packaging: It’s constantly pointing to itself, in a way that may already be helping to undo its effects.
Though I’ve moved politically very far away from the impulses that got me interested in avant-gardism, I’m still attracted to its look and its boldness, and I don’t think people like Malevich and Tatlin were personally and intellectually any more “totalitarian” than any other artists. In a sense every important artist imposes a kind of totalizing perspective on the universe, even and sometimes especially the ones who pretend to be attempting anything but (John Cage comes to mind).
McCain’s defense against getting trapped in maze of politicized aesthetics/aestheticized politics is to embrace his own lack of sophistication. It’s hilarious and yet oddly touching that it comes out ABBA rather than, say, Toby Keith! Especially if McCain wins, I would expect at least one doctoral thesis a year for the next generation exploring the relationship of maverick conservatism to ABBA, including point to bar comparisons of his stump speeches and “Take a Chance on Me.”
CK MacLeod on August 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM
The gutter is either indifferent, or perplexed.
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 5:02 PM
CK MacLeod, get well soon. You’re a joy in the HA parlor.
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 5:03 PM
I obviously didn’t like Clinton, but I was interested in reading the stories about Vince Foster and the list of Clinton friends who end up room temperature. I had no idea if any of this was true, but I saw a distinct pattern of Clinton and his friends abusing power, covering things up and acting in a manner that made you suspect that more was possible. I thought he was scum, but I really wasn’t sure if anything he did was criminal.
And now, the democrats have crossed the line with Bush. They think that he stole the election from Gore. They (30 percent of them) that he knew about 9/11. They think hat he lied about Iraq. They think that he invaded Iraq to revenge his paw, and to make his puppeteer Cheney wealthy along with the evil corporations. They by all outward actions believe this. Because they say this. When you look at Bush the man, you see someone who is nothing like Clinton, or Sptizer, or Edwards, or Trafficant, or ‘Dollar Bill; Jefferson. Bush is a good man. He is lied about, they have slandered him and vilified him.
For me, I find it very difficult to go back to the ‘well, let’s just agree to disagree’ niceties. Rick Warren said that the political debate needs to be more civil. I think that is a good goal. But while the democrats of today act as they do, I have no desire to do anything other than hope for their political destruction. The democrats of today – at least the people who are the most vocal and lie so brazenly such as the move on people, folks at the huffington post, etc – are nothing like the democrats of just a decade ago. I’ve reached the point of saturation with these people and don’t want them to succeed. I want to see them fail. Because they deserve to. One example as to why:
Why I can’t trust the Democrats on, well, anything
I’d feel comfortable with a democrat Zell Miller, or a democrat Joe Lieberman as president. Of all the democrats who were running for the nomination, I don’t think I could be confortable with any of them. And Obama is just about the worst of the lot, for obvious reasons.
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM
lol
funky chicken on August 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Even though the style dates more to the late teens and twenties the overall theme is 1930s. Great Depression, rise of totalitarian dictators, dust bowl, soup lines and not coincidentally the time when socialism was at its peak of popularity in America.
Obama’s official campaign graphics, like on his website, are more modern and dependent on cheesy Photoshop clichés (gradients, “outer glow” effect) but it’s interesting that his signature typestyle, the now-ubiquitous sans serif Gotham font, is based on architectural signage fashionable in… you guessed it… the 1930s.
I too want to avoid any Godwinisms but it’s very understandable when people notice certain similarities.
Gilda on August 17, 2008 at 5:11 PM
CK MacLeod on August 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM –
Again..wow!
As for ABBA, perhaps it is something more prosaic…a touchstone of familiarity.
McCain had spent a chunk of years as a guest of the North Vietnamese. When he left America, the Beach Boys and Jan and Dean ruled the charts, and the Beatles were moving toward alternative rock for most of America. Those years, all those years, with only the melodies of a former time to play in his mind.
Then came 1973 and Operation Homecoming.
McCain was thrust into a new world, a new environment, very much foreign that that he had left when he went out to the Tonkin Gulf. ABBA, and the lilting sounds, the energetic beat, the lightness of it all (some would say vapid…matter of fact, many say vapid) was and is a reminder of that breath of free air, a return to home, a return to living…maybe ABBA holds not some sort of hidden meaning but is, to Mccain, an honest reflection of something new, bright, energetic? The stuff he had been denied for all those years in North Vietnam.
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 5:13 PM
How can the same person who talked about “throwing stones”…make a criticism about McCain’s marriage to a wealthy woman (no one put a gun to her head) when his beloved candidate had to go to a thief to buy his house because what he could actually afford wasn’t good enough for him, his wife and it did nothing for her kids? Some people just live too way down in the rabbit hole!
CCRWM on August 17, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Maybe ABBA reminds McCain of the glorious time he ditched his old, wheelchair-bound first wife so he could dancing! with his new, young Sugar Mommy, ColdWorrier?
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 5:16 PM
(I should have added) And Miller and Lieberman are examples of Democrats who have observed that their party left them. Not all democrats in the party believe all of the whacked out theories that the extreme do, but I see a frighteningly small number of democrats who object to what is going on within their party. OR – they do, they keep silent on it, enjoy the votes, and then don’t do as the far left factions would want them to do. Such as, Impeach Bush, remove all troops from Iraq, etc. And these same people, such as Nancy Pelosi, are also talking the talk,(”Bush is a total failure”) even if they don’t peruse things such as impeachment against Bush.
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Stick around Baldi, alphie will hit the other five sins.
carbon_footprint on August 17, 2008 at 5:18 PM
Gilda on August 17, 2008 at 5:11 PM –
Certainly know your stuff…that’s evident. You and CK MacLeod. I really should take notes. Maybe make up for all the time I spent dozing in those classes.
In a previous thread, a short while back, I mentioned Obama’s acceptance speech in Denver and his Berlin trip…and mentioned the possibility of a Leni Reifenstahl moment in Denver…searchlights pointed skyward and Young Democrats filing into Invesco Field with lit torches. I, myself, even before mentioning it, thought it was a bit out there. But, so far, the art and choreography and cinematography of his campaign can point to no other moment in the past 100 years other than that Leni Reifenstahl moment…or two…or more.
If this too closely approaches Godwin….well the evidence is indeed there in plain sight.
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Maybe ABBA reminds McCain of the glorious time he ditched his old, wheelchair-bound first wife so he could dancing! with his new, young Sugar Mommy, ColdWorrier?
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 5:16 PM
So it’s really not McCain’s impending insanity but how he treated his first wife?
For being a “real conservative” you certainly seem to have a low threshold for deciding to vote for the most liberal DFL candidate ever.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 5:23 PM
You know the Republicans are panicking when they start making lame analogies to Nazi imagery.
How badly did Fudge Haus McCain do at the $2000/seat religious gathering yesterday?
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 5:23 PM –
One must remember that there are those unfortunates who cannot rise beyond their solipsisms.
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 5:25 PM
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM
I agree that the Clinton’s ushered in something that the Democrats can’t now seem to or want to get rid of…vulgarity (the language on leftist blogs makes them impossible to read. The hate (wishing Tony Snow would suffer horribly and rejoicing when he died) It scares me what could happen to this country if the Democrats get more power…I still can’t believe that Pelosi, without the slightest qualm about it, called President Bush a complete failure when (if this were the least of his accomplishments) he has kept us from being attacked again after 9/11… I remember discussing with my husband what our plan would be for when we were attacked again… not if…
CCRWM on August 17, 2008 at 5:26 PM
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 5:23 PM –
Bingo!! We have hit Godwin!
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 5:27 PM
I’m struck by the brazenness and obviousness of it. It’s insulting, in a way. Like they think we’re too stupid to notice.
On a personal level I am a huge fan of Malevich and the other Russian avant-garde artists. They certainly did not know then what Communism was to become.
But now that we do know, it’s very telling that the Obama campaign has chosen this style of visual communication.
Gilda on August 17, 2008 at 5:27 PM
You know the Republicans are panicking when they start making lame analogies to Nazi imagery.
Comedy gold. You must REALLY have been upset when myriad liberal groups, including the DFL, used the very same Nazi imagery toward Republicans during the last eight years.
You “real conservatives” are a puzzling lot.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Obviously you’re worried about the Democratic Convention sealing the deal for Obama, Coldworrier.
Why else who you denigrate the victims of the Nazis to cough up your daily ragegasm?
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 5:29 PM
“Why else who you denigrate the victims of the Nazis to cough up your daily ragegasm?”
Making it up as you go along?
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 5:31 PM
A “puzzling lot”
They are not
A passive agressive
Pretty expressive
A mystery alphie is not
p.s. I sure hope Obama seals the deal in Denver. At this point no one is more to be feared than Hillary, and Putin.
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Get well soon! Thank you for your very informative and insightful posts.
Gilda on August 17, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 5:31 PM –
Nice little bit of Sunday afternoon doggerel.
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 5:34 PM
What happened to Putin, btw?
So last week?
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Hi alphie,
I have read a number of your posts and I’m curious why you come here. I’m not trying to be argumentative but you don’t seem to want to engage in a discussion but to impugn and antagonize. If that is the purpose of your visits (which by all accounts is what it seems to be) then what does it accomplish? If you support Obama shouldn’t you work to unify and persuade? It seems like that is a big part of what his supporters claim is his major qualification. Unfortunately the people that I see that support him use emotionally charged rhetoric as much or more than anyone else. If you don’t emulate the characteristics of someone you support then why support him?
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Yah, alphie is trying to claim membership in a group known as “true conservatives” though I shudder to think of who he believes actually belong to that group.
According to him it would encompass those who vote for Obama; how he got there would presumably involve strenuous contortions worthy of underage Chinese gymnasts.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 5:36 PM
See 5:31 PM
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 5:37 PM
We already pay for illegal immigrants health care and that of the poor. What would you choose Alphie? Let them die?
Big John on August 17, 2008 at 5:38 PM
I don’t support Obama, Mormon,
I just don’t think John McCain should be president.
Plus, the “Christian”-Socialists who call themselves America’s right these days fascinate me.
They represent a political movement long thought extinct.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM
You know, I don’t believe in banning dissenting opinions but Alphie really is getting tiresome. A reasoned debate is fine but snark for the sake of pissing people off is uncalled for. Take a hike Alphie.
Big John on August 17, 2008 at 5:40 PM
I agree Yoop! The spitting got to me too. There just was no darn way to stay dry.
When you were deployed you had to contend with the hot end of those AK47’s; but the damn rain, it came almost everyday in the afternoon and during the rainy season, sometimes all day… day after day.
When you returned home you thought you might catch a break? But no…then came the spittle. I’m not talkin’ just your occasional poorly aimed, stringy, green, oyster, slug.
No sirree, this was wet your face; mat your hair, totally unsanitary, bacteria laden, human spittle.
Hell, it rained down like a monsoon in the Delta!
I always looked at it this way…
If I could put up with being almost continually wet during deployment when they were actually trying to kill or seriously maim my sorry asse…!
I didn’t mind, I could stand a little dampness here too.
After all I was home baby!
J_Gocht on August 17, 2008 at 5:40 PM
I went huh? and then realized, like you did, making it up (incoherently)as he goes along… too funny!
CCRWM on August 17, 2008 at 5:40 PM
No banning. That happens on the leftie blogs. alphies are welcome here.
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Yeah, I agree. It just gets annoying though.
Big John on August 17, 2008 at 5:43 PM
You ask me a question then call for me to be banned before I can answer it, Big John?
Keep taking those meds on time, dude.
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Big John on August 17, 2008 at 5:40 PM –
There is an explanation for all of this…Pew Research has published their findings.
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 5:44 PM
You know the Republicans are panicking when they start making lame analogies to Nazi imagery.
[alphie on August 17, 2008 at 5:23 PM]
Alphie, I do believe you’re sweating. Need a hankie?
Dusty on August 17, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Nah, Alphie. Entelechy was right, banning is a leftie tactic. Just try to not be so snarky and join the discussion in a more constructive way and you’ll be recieved much better. Plus, thanks for the advice. The meds work wonders. You should try it sometime.
Big John on August 17, 2008 at 5:48 PM
I think alphie drew the short straw and got assigned to us today… He’s not making a whole lot of sense so either his heart isn’t in it , he’s tired or most likely not well enough equipped to go toe to toe with the true members of this site…btw he tends to bring out the best from some of you.. I learn a lot myself…
CCRWM on August 17, 2008 at 5:49 PM
And so we reach the long-awaited conclusion from alphie: “I don’t support Obama, Mormon, I just don’t think John McCain should be president”.
After saying this earlier in the thread: “Obama acts like he owes America something. That’s why Obama will get my vote”.
I don’t support Obama but I do support him.
Ok then.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Thanks CW. That explains a lot.
Big John on August 17, 2008 at 5:50 PM
I’m gonna have to ask Soros for a raise, CC?
alphie on August 17, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Alphie,
Didn’t you say you were voting for Obama? You then said you weren’t an Obama supporter. I’m not clear on that distinction but I would be interested to know the difference. Are you saying you support some of his ideas and are voting for him but are not an Obama supporter?
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 5:52 PM
LOL you made my point!
CCRWM on August 17, 2008 at 5:52 PM
That’s because you’re a nitwit liberal who buys into stupid shit you read at DU, while claiming here to be some sort of Republican or conservative. You’re too stupid and dishonest to be a conservative. Sorry.
Jaibones on August 17, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Whoops it looks like Bishop asked before me.
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 5:54 PM
“Mh?” ~ ~ Logic
Jaibones, how do you really feel, dude? How are those blueberry pies coming?
Entelechy on August 17, 2008 at 5:55 PM
It’s ok Doc, alphie is feverishly working on a response that explains how, as a “true conservative”, he will vote for the most liberal DFL nominee in history even though he doesn’t actually support the guy.
Skip the Tilt-A-Whirl™, take a ride on alphie’s logic instead.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 5:56 PM
crickets?
Mormon Doc on August 17, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Come on now. All you very fine HA folks!
Be honest now; without alphie this post wouldn’t be 181 posts long.
He/she’s, your perfect foil.
You can only give atta boys, yowsirs and right on’s, so many times.
Without him/her, I’ll bet yah this post wouldn’t have had a hundred hits?
Gotta luv you all, my faithful choir!
H&K’s!
J_Gocht on August 17, 2008 at 6:01 PM
My very first concern when getting out of bed everyday is how many posts will be generated on various HA threads. Good catch on your part.
Actually no, it comes second, my first concern is whether the Congolese Workers Party has enough money to advertise throughout Brazzaville.
Bishop on August 17, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Uh, huh. What he represents is best summed up with:
this video, 32 seconds in.
wise_man on August 17, 2008 at 6:07 PM
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