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House GOP in no mood to compromise

posted at 10:30 am on August 17, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Unlike some of their colleagues in the Senate, House Republicans have rejected a minimal effort to compromise offered by Nancy Pelosi on energy policy.  After floating a proposal that would have allowed very limited drilling in exchange for windfall-profits taxes and depletion of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, Pelosi got the door slammed in her face by the GOP members participating in the House Oil Party this month.  Their message — follow or get out of the way:

Republicans lambasted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) energy plan Saturday advising her to “get out of the way” if she was not going to accept GOP solutions to the energy crisis.

In her Saturday radio address Pelosi announced that Democrats would consider opening up parts of the outer continental shelf for drilling as a part of a broad new energy plan that will be unveiled in the coming weeks.

The Democratic initiative will also seek to release oil from the 700 million barrel Strategic Petroleum Reserve, require oil companies to pay billions of dollars Democrats believe they owe to invest in clean energy resources, increase the use natural gas and create a federal Renewable Electricity Standard.

Jeb Hensarling scornfully asked the Speaker to “get out of the way” and allow the Republicans to implement the solutions desired by the vast majority of the electorate.  Adam Putnam added that Pelosi’s weak proposal qualified her as the the most qualified poster child for Democratic intransigence on energy.  They made clear that they have no reason to compromise on drilling, and see no need for distractions like an SPR release.

That notion belies the entire underpinning of the Democratic policy on domestic production.  They claim that we “cannot drill our way out of this crisis,” and yet the SPR release would temporarily do what expanded domestic production would do for decades.  If one cannot produce one’s way out of a supply crisis, then what effect would an SPR release have?  At the same time, with a war in the Caucasus and Americans fighting in two theaters in Asia, not only would a reduction in the SPR make the military more vulnerable to supply disruptions, it would require us to replace what gets depleted.  If we’re not producing our own oil to do that, we’ll only raise prices again as we stoke demand.

And now we have yet another reason to start producing our own oil.  Vladimir Putin has rebuilt his empire-hungry nation’s military strength on the high price of crude oil and natural gas — prices we support with our demands on the international market.  Any long-term strategy of containment regarding Moscow has to include a deep cut to the price supports for crude oil.  The best way we can effect that is to vastly increase our own production (and refinement) of oil, and get out of the international market.  Prices will drop dramatically, and Russia, Iran, Sudan, and other problem nations will suddenly have a lot less cash with which to make trouble.

Unlike the Gang of 10 in the Senate, the House Republicans understand this, and the need to remain firm.  We need to encourage the House leadership to take ownership of this issue back from the compromisers in the Senate.


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This is the GOP I like to see. No compromise. Either lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.

jdawg on August 17, 2008 at 10:40 AM

Glad to see them making a stand on this. They’re going to win back the Congress in a big way this November…. or at least they should.

Yakko77 on August 17, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Good to see no compromise,but Nancy is
too busy trying to get the House clean
before entertaining any thoughts of allowing
a vote on oil drilling!

canopfor on August 17, 2008 at 10:43 AM

John McCain is the logical candidate to serve as catylist in the Senate.

He’s already shown solidarity with the Republican rebels, and he has done a great job of linking the confrontation over oil with the confrontation against Russia.

I really sense the winds have changed and are now blowing against the democrat party, increasingly on the defensive and bleeding heavily from it’s internal struggles against the Clintons!

jeff_from_mpls on August 17, 2008 at 10:44 AM

You Go, House GOP!!!!

I’m finally feeling proud of you again. More action like this, and I may have to embrace again, my former wayward party.

tickleddragon on August 17, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Hehe…is that feeling proud “for the first time in my adult life” ?

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

tickleddragon on August 17, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Right on !!!! Pelosi is a disgrace.

dalec on August 17, 2008 at 10:48 AM

It’s about damn time Republicans!

Nothing like waiting until there’s two minutes left in the game to finally exercise some initiative.

I’m glad this is happening, but where was this two years ago? (frustration – off)

Keep it up guys!

catmman on August 17, 2008 at 10:49 AM

They will act this way until they take charge…One big endless cycle.

tomas on August 17, 2008 at 10:56 AM

catmman on August 17, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Two years, hell, the GOP had control of congress pretty much continuously from 1994-2006. What happened? They did nine of the ten things on the Contract with America and then proceeded to sit on their fat asses and feed at the trough. If we ever do manage to get a majority back, we had better hold their feet to the fire and make them act like this every day.

Kafir on August 17, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Remember,McCain has a track record for
working with the other team!

But the other team,the liberals,like
Pelosi,refuse to work with the
Republicans!

Does the most powerful women in the
universe know theres an election on
the go!

canopfor on August 17, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Too bad Republicans didn’t have the stones to drop the stupid congressional ban when they had the actual leadership of the House a few years ago.

If they don’t fight tooth and nail now, they are hopelessly lost.

Wanderlust on August 17, 2008 at 10:59 AM

If the recently falling oil prices had diminished anyone’s enthusiasm for drilling our own resources, the Russia/Georgia situation should have quickly put it back on track.

Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Wanderlust on August 17, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Well, it’s always easy to say that in retrospect but maybe the oil companies wouldn’t have gone after the oil at the price two years ago. Hopefully they would have at least jumped at the chance to institute leases but who knows. Let’s encourage the stuff going on now.

Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 11:04 AM

Hehe…is that feeling proud “for the first time in my adult life” ?

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

tickleddragon on August 17, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Haven’t seen you for a while. Nice to have you back.

whitetop on August 17, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Keep it up GOP.

dogsoldier on August 17, 2008 at 11:16 AM

All and any of the Dems moves are to make us weaker, a strong independent America is not part of their playbook.

bbz123 on August 17, 2008 at 11:20 AM

More credit to them since the MSM has barely bothered to cover this(what else is new?). They are to be supported for doing what they think is right and backing it up with action. The “politics as usual” GOPers need to absorb this lesson. These are members of Congress that many of us have started to actually ADMIRE!! Who’d a thought it.

jeanie on August 17, 2008 at 11:20 AM

good job guys, show the do nothing dems what real leadership is all about.

jdsmith0021 on August 17, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Can you imagine a world where Democrats and Republicans work together for the good of our country. Do you think Pelosi and Reid will ever allow it? This is why we need term limits on congress.

kanda on August 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM

This has to be the worst possible time to raid the SPR, when legitimate national security needs for using it loom on the horizon: possible Georgia, Iran conflicts to name two. Increasing domestic production now has become our most important national security need. Your last sentence in the penultimate paragraph is exactly right, but not comprehensive:

Prices will drop dramatically, and Russia, Iran, Sudan, and other problem nations will suddenly have a lot less cash with which to make trouble.

‘Our allies the Saudis’ could really use some belt-tightening as a result of reduced global demand. Chavez is another good example. Maybe that’s why the Democrats oppose reducing the price of oil, it would hurt the dictator they love the most.

Beagle on August 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM

That notion belies the entire underpinning of the Democratic policy on domestic production. They claim that we “cannot drill our way out of this crisis,” and yet the SPR release would temporarily do what expanded domestic production would do for decades. If one cannot produce one’s way out of a supply crisis, then what effect would an SPR release have? At the same time, with a war in the Caucasus and Americans fighting in two theaters in Asia, not only would a reduction in the SPR make the military more vulnerable to supply disruptions, it would require us to replace what gets depleted. If we’re not producing our own oil to do that, we’ll only raise prices again as we stoke demand.

That sums up the Dems cluelessness right there.

BallisticBob on August 17, 2008 at 11:37 AM

The farmers say “we can’t plant our way out of this food crisis.”

Mojave Mark on August 17, 2008 at 11:45 AM

Jeb Hensarling scornfully asked the Speaker to “get out of the way” and allow the Republicans to implement the solutions desired by the vast majority of the electorate.

As far as Pelosi’s concerned, the electorate doesn’t know what’s good for it, and she’s gonna help them whether they want her help or not.

Frozen Tex on August 17, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Nancy Pelosi needs a pay-grade analysis.

Rovin on August 17, 2008 at 11:51 AM

They can make a real issue out of this if they just keep up the fight. I hope they do as our republicans have disappointed me so many times in the past decade …

DannoJyd on August 17, 2008 at 11:53 AM

And then along comes Gramnesty, slow walking Gramnesty, slow talking Gramnesty … To screw the whole thing up. I am convinced, the Republican party needs a brain.

Why hasn’t McCain joined the House Republicans, is it beneath him?

tarpon on August 17, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Billionaire investor George Soros bought an $811 million stake in Petroleo Brasileiro (Petrobras) in the second quarter, making the Brazilian state-controlled oil company his investment fund’s largest holding.

As of June 30, the stake in Petrobras, as the Rio de Janeiro-based oil producer is known, made up 22 per cent of the $3.68 billion of stocks and American depositary receipts held by Soros Fund Management, according to a filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission. Petrobras has since slumped 28 per cent.

Soros has increased his mining and commodities holdings, a move that accelerated in the first quarter with purchases of such companies as Cia. Vale do Rio Doce, the world’s largest iron-ore producer, and Talisman Energy, a Canadian oil and gas company. In November, Petrobras announced the discovery of Tupi, a field with as much as 8 billion barrels of reserves, making it the largest find in the Americas since 1976.

“Petrobras has something that other oil companies don’t have: oil – lots of it and they’re going to find more,” said Ricardo Kob-ayashi, equity fund manager with UBS Pactual in Rio de Janeiro.

“If you can buy now and hang on, if you have the staying power, it’s great.”

http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Oil_and_Gas/10237597.html

Damn. So we have Nancy P heavily tied in with T Boone Pickens and his fraudulent wind and water scheme, and now we have Soros going big into Petrobras.

I still can’t quite grasp why the dems seem so opposed to domestic energy production. Could one of you guys help me out?

funky chicken on August 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Im glad they are saying NO to compromising. I hope they stick to their guns too!

With everything going on in the Caucasus, why would Pelosi even think of releasing oil from the SPR?? We need to drill here so we can stop paying billions of dollars to foreign countries!!

btw…that article on George Soros is scary…as is he.

becki51758 on August 17, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Could it finally be enough for our elected officials to pull their heads out of the sand (I’m being polite here) and actually start fighting back??. The gang of 10 need to be run out of the party, the conservative base should be LIVID and taking action. Not frustrated and impotent, it’s time we take this country back from the socialists and wanna be commies.

All we have ever needed is elected officials who will stand for what is right and not back down, the left has no room to stand and will eventually crumble. It’s how Bush continues to outfox them on so many issues, this isn’t rocket science.

I honestly believe we are seeing the demise of the democratic party in this country, they got what they wanted 2 years ago. But I said it then and I’ll say it now, sometimes getting what you ask for is the worst thing that could happen :)

-Paul-

-Paul-

Sprockett on August 17, 2008 at 12:09 PM

This is simple (but not easy). Increased domestic energy is a matter of national security which will also lower energy costs for all Americans. The House Republicans are doing what they were sent to D.C. to do – lead. Now the Senate Republicans, and the rest of us, need to do one thing – follow their lead.

Keep up the phone calls and emails. These people are politicians – if they cannot start a parade – they will do whatever it takes to get in front of the one going by.

JDice on August 17, 2008 at 12:10 PM

If Pelosi gets slapped down hard on drilling, and if the nutroots of the Left start to panic about the sky falling oil rigs outside San Francisco, it’s possible that Pelosi will get a primary challenge.

I feel a tingle up my leg.

njcommuter on August 17, 2008 at 12:11 PM

At what point does Pelosi’s stubborn and inflexible grip on the Senate become criminal? How many times have we heard how the world would be better if women were in charge. Well, Pelosi had a chance to prove it, but instead she became enamored with the ‘power’ and has done nothing but exercise her own far left personal agenda at the expense of our country.

Is it wrong to wish that she gets hit by a bus sooner than later? I rarely have hate for people, but she is at the top of my list.

cannonball on August 17, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Now these guys ought to march over to the Senate and stick a sock in Chambliss’ mouth.

drjohn on August 17, 2008 at 12:16 PM

It’s about time the House Republicans stand up to Pelosi, et al. Stand tough and fight.

katieanne on August 17, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Cindy:Apr 17 11:01: That’s a good point because I suspect the Dems will now try to say that oil prices lowered without drilling. Judging by the increased automobile traffic on the roads this last week, we are being our own worst enemies again though, so prices will probably not stay down for long. Like it or not, we have to join the oil parade and start competing if only to keep our own money in our own economy as much as possible.

jeanie on August 17, 2008 at 12:31 PM

At this point in the election cycle, the GOP would be nuts to compromise with the Dems.

Pelosi and Reid have consistently displayed less ethics when cutting deals with Republicans than the Russians have shown in their promise to withdraw from Georgia.

Time to play balls to the wall with America hating self serving Liberals.

there it is on August 17, 2008 at 12:41 PM

As far as Pelosi’s concerned, the electorate doesn’t know what’s good for it, and she’s gonna help them whether they want her help or not.

Frozen Tex on August 17, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Scary words from the government; I am from the government and I am here to help.

Johan Klaus on August 17, 2008 at 1:05 PM

Any long-term strategy of containment regarding Moscow has to include a deep cut to the price supports for crude oil.

This is the only effective card that we have in this international crisis over the long term. So is McCain willing to sacrifice ANWR yet for national security and to prevent another cold war? Or is he content on merely mouthing ‘we are all Georgians’ as a threat (militarily) to Russia?

ThackerAgency on August 17, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Larry, Moe and Curly standing up for the rights of oil companies.

How quaint.

Too bad they never got that excited about term limits, balanced budgets, etc.

They might still be in charge instead of just a side show.

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 1:39 PM

Why did it take being in the minority for the GOP to start acting like this? For years the GOP were afraid of the Dims and did everything they could to accommodate them. You don’t compromise with the enemy Dhims, you defeat the enemy Dhims.

Mooseman on August 17, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Good news. It’s time they stood up for what is right.

Bob's Kid on August 17, 2008 at 2:00 PM

“Larry, Moe and Curly standing up for the rights of oil companies.” (alphadiet)

They are standing up for every American’s right to not be dependent on foreign oil when this nation has more of its own reserves than the entire middle east. And it’s more like Nancy,Harry, et all standing squating in the way of progress.

Rovin on August 17, 2008 at 2:21 PM

Scary words from the government; I am from the government and I am here to help make things worse.

Johan Klaus on August 17, 2008 at 1:05 PM

The way it usually really is.

Frozen Tex on August 17, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Dream on Rovin,

We’ll never be free of foreign oil until we break the oil companies’ iron grip on the Republican Party’s throat and start developing other energy sources.

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 2:26 PM

alphie, you are so wrong. Rovin speaks the truth.

cjs1943 on August 17, 2008 at 2:49 PM

This is the GOP I like to see. No compromise. Either lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.

jdawg on August 17, 2008 at 10:40 AM

Damn Straight! Pardon my French

CynicalOptimist on August 17, 2008 at 3:04 PM

All I can say to the House Republicans is:
GO BOYS!!!! GO! NO SURRENDER!!!

rishika on August 17, 2008 at 3:05 PM

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 1:39 PM

and what would you do without those EVIL oil companies? huh? sit in your cold house, and ride a bike.

you must be in a great deal of pain, such stupidity has to hurt.

its too bad the republicans have as their standard bearer a man who has compromised with the DEVIL (ie the democrats) his whole career.

right4life on August 17, 2008 at 3:12 PM

What say they big oil companies who control the Republicans guarantee the price of a gallon of gas before they’re allowed to trash America’s mountains and beaches, cjs?

Say, $2.00/gallon for regular?

That price goes into effect at the pumps before they’re allowed to drill a drop.

Sound good?

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 3:12 PM

start developing other energy sources.

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 2:26 PM

I’ve heard such nonsensical drivel for the last 30 years….ok then where is that other energy source???? hmmmmm???

there isn’t any, get a clue.

right4life on August 17, 2008 at 3:13 PM

What say they big oil companies who control the Republicans guarantee the price of a gallon of gas before they’re allowed to trash America’s mountains and beaches, cjs?

because thats socialism, not capitalism. no company or industry can guarantee the price of anything.

try econ 101.

right4life on August 17, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Sound good?

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 3:12 PM

You’re an ignorant little bastard.
Go away.

TexasJew on August 17, 2008 at 3:21 PM

If one cannot produce one’s way out of a supply crisis, then what effect would an SPR release have? At the same time, with a war in the Caucasus and Americans fighting in two theaters in Asia, not only would a reduction in the SPR make the military more vulnerable to supply disruptions, it would require us to replace what gets depleted. If we’re not producing our own oil to do that, we’ll only raise prices again as we stoke demand. — Ed Morrissey

You nailed it Ed. The SPR is not a tool for political gamesmanship, it’s exactly what it’s name implies. The fact is that oil has had an unprecedented drop in price from just talking about drilling. The only way to keep those prices down and in fact force them even lower is to actually start drilling.

Maxx on August 17, 2008 at 3:23 PM

TexasJew on August 17, 2008 at 3:21 PM

alphie is a typical lib, talks trash, but when confronted runs away, because he cannot think beyond his talking points.

ie he’s a typical democrat. uneducated, easily led.

right4life on August 17, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Nancy Pelosi is such a fraud.

Releasing oil from SPR will lower gas prices a cent or two.

We will have to replace that SPR oil at a higher price.

Replacement oil will come from countries with much lower environmental standards.

Your slipping Nancy. You can’t even keep your lies straight anymore.

marklmail on August 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Nice, TJ.

It’s pretty obvious you work for an oil company…

If letting the oil companies have their way with America’s parks will lower gasoline prices…let’s get what these lower prices will be…in writing…in advance.

No offense…I just don’t trust you guys.

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 3:25 PM

If letting the oil companies have their way with America’s parks will lower gasoline prices…let’s get what these lower prices will be…in writing…in advance.

No offense…I just don’t trust you guys.

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 3:25 PM

yeah the only thing you trust is the government….you love big brother.

hey moron, we’ve already seen gas prices lower with just the talk of drilling.

why don’t you want good jobs in america? thought you libs ‘cared’ about working people?

right4life on August 17, 2008 at 3:28 PM

I’ve mentioned this in the past so please excuse me if it is boring but in the state of Florida April 07 to April 08, per capital the citizens’ use of fuel was at a thirty-five year low. This was before gas got to $4 a gallon and also may I mention that most of local governments are whining about lack of revenue. So I think it is safe to say we can’t conserve our way out of this either. Whatever we don’t buy, China and India will. And they care less about global warming than I do. If that’s possible.

Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 3:32 PM

And Alphie, if I haven’t said this before, you have to realize if the Congress were to nationalize the oil companies and they controlled the profits, I guarandamnttee you they would be drilling everywhere including in your basement next to where you’re sitting.

Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 3:35 PM

What does the McCainesque gang of 10 have to say about this most generous offer by the Speaker of the House?

Valiant on August 17, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Valiant on August 17, 2008 at 3:40 PM

I think McCain nixed the gang of 10 the other day.

Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 3:46 PM

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 3:12 PM

You’re an ignorant little bastard.
Go away.

TexasJew on August 17, 2008 at 3:21 PM

A well turned phrase. I really couldn’t have said it better myself.

JonRoss on August 17, 2008 at 3:51 PM

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 3:25 PM

I see you have returned from the methadone clinic.

JonRoss on August 17, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Hooray for these guys. They have given me the first ray of hope for this nation that I have had in the last two years.

I’m just embarrassed and saddened that my Congressman, (despite me contacting him and his campaign about it several times), who I thought to be a good conservative, who has authored one of the good bills that these guys are trying to get a vote on is too involved in his own campaign for Senate to bother joining the ’sit-in’ in Washington, to do the job he is being paid for now. (You listening Steve? Anyone in your campaign listening?).

Joining this uprising would convince more people to vote for you than merely wandering around, shaking a couple hundred hands a day in our little podunk towns.

LegendHasIt on August 17, 2008 at 4:12 PM

House Repubs seem to be aware that anything Nasty does is designed TO PREVENT DRILLING, any compromise bill will contain poison pills designed to make the measure unacceptable.
The idea is to force the Repubs to vote it down or W. to veto it thus shifting the blame for inaction and high prices to the other (Republican) side. This can be avoided by an up and down vote on drilling only, something the speaker dares not allow.
A trap lies ahead but the offshore drilling expires end Sept. and should take a vote to extend. Interesting to see what form that vote will take and what bill it is attached to, probably appropriations, loaded with lard and necessary to run the gov’t.

Would one of the house Repubs walk across the street and slap the smile off Miss Lindsey Grahams stupid face?

dhunter on August 17, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Go RNC GO!! Do not allow the dems to waste our stratigic reserve, we need it for a emer.

Lets not waste monies on projects that contribute little or nothing to our energy needs, keep it real.

Lets consider replacing ethonal (a primary link in our food chain)with methonal. Methanol is ‘wood alcohol’ made from anything from wood waste to human garbage, human waste to coal (imagine that clean burning coal). At the peak of gasoline cost methanols cost was $1.80/gallon.

What is the cost of ethonal including the cost of production, subsidies, raise in food costs and all other costs?

allrsn on August 17, 2008 at 4:35 PM

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Mindlessly regurgitating leftist lies again, alphie?

Tell us again about how Exxon isn’t interested in oil shale. Because it’s a big joke.

misterpeasea on August 17, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Go RNC GO!!

allrsn on August 17, 2008 at 4:35 PM

I’m not disagreeing but why do we get so damned excited when Republicans act like Republicans instead of getting upset when Republicans act like McCain Democrats?

highhopes on August 17, 2008 at 5:24 PM

It’s about time this country realized that the US can control worlwide oil and gas prices by drilling the nation’s offshore oil reserves. With the right attitude, the US can pass Saudi Arabia and Russia in supplying the world with crude.

Focusing on solar and wind is the wrong approach. Those so-called green energies don’t help anyone.

bayam on August 17, 2008 at 5:26 PM

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 2:26 PM

There is always a “nut case” on these threads, you qualify. What Nancy has proposed is worse than nothing. Strategic stocks are for emergencies (get it). A windfall profit tax on companies making about 8-10% is absolutely stupid (the feds already get much more in taxes). Why don’t you go back to school and take Econ 1?

duff65 on August 17, 2008 at 5:31 PM

I still can’t quite grasp why the dems seem so opposed to domestic energy production. Could one of you guys help me out?

It depends on how you count domestic production. Do solar, wind, and natural gas count, or does it have to involve oil?

There are some very big utility-scale solar projects, including one formally announced by PG&E last week, that depend on alternative energy tax credits to go forward.

If you didn’t believe James Woolsey before- that alternative energy is a national security issue in a world where oil in controlled by Arabs and Russians- perhaps you’ll believe it after events in Georgia. The nation needs an energy policy beyond drilling offshore and Alaska reserves- drilling which I think needs to happen- but won’t dramatically reduce the transfer of wealth to our adversaries abroad or the likelihood that a major conflict over the next 20 years will cause a catastrophic cut off of energy supplies to the West.

bayam on August 17, 2008 at 5:32 PM

test comment

tip on August 17, 2008 at 5:34 PM

I told the lady that called yesterday from the Ohio Rep Committee that the 50 bucks I was giving was for John Boehner.
Lead, Follow or get the Hell outta the way!
HOOOAH

Rick554 on August 17, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Or, how about the oil companies start paying for the oil they’re taking off land owned by all Americans, duff?

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 5:49 PM

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Wow What state hospital are you in anyway?? did you see the martian steal the moon last night too?

allrsn on August 17, 2008 at 6:54 PM

duff65 on August 17, 2008 at 5:31 PM

Rush reported last week that the oil companies pay $4,000/second in taxes.

allrsn on August 17, 2008 at 6:57 PM

alphie on August 17, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Guess what alphie??? They do!

allrsn on August 17, 2008 at 6:58 PM

bayam on August 17, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Point taken, but many of us are opposed to throwing money away on unworkable solutions. Example T. Boone and Polosie and the wind farm idea (they hope to make tens of millions from our taxes, not the wind itsself). We give them billions for very little or no gain in electrical power or carbon print. Remember wind is not dependable and so we MUST run power plants even when the wind is blowing!

Lets spend our money where we can get a payback like hydrogen or methane for only 2 examples. Methane (made from nearly anyhing from garbage to coal) is avalible now and we can build enough plants in 2-3 years to replace ethonal,saving our food chain.

allrsn on August 17, 2008 at 7:08 PM

Republicans lambasted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) energy plan Saturday advising her to “get out of the way” if she was not going to accept GOP solutions to the energy crisis.

Don’t stand in the doorway, don’t block up the hall….for the times they are a’changin’ – Bobby Zimmerman.

Nancy and Harry will be “daschled” this coming election. See ya.

Mallard T. Drake on August 17, 2008 at 7:35 PM

‘Our allies the Saudis’ could really use some belt-tightening as a result of reduced global demand. Chavez is another good example. Maybe that’s why the Democrats oppose reducing the price of oil, it would hurt the dictator they love the most.

Beagle on August 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM

I’d like nothing more than for us to turn the environmentalist spin on lil’ Hugo: Venezuela’s oil is really, really crappy, by world standards, from what I gather – very heavy with sulfur and other stuff that requires special, more expensive processes to refine. For all of Chavez’s bluster, the main place where Venezuelan oil is refined is in the USA.

So if we want to truly break Hugo’s dreams of being Castro’s successor as strongman to Latin America, as more American crude oil sources come on line (that is, lighter, less sulfurous crude), we begin imposing heavier costs to deal with removing the sulfur from Hugo’s crude. After all, Nancy wants to “save the planet”, and that sulfur has to go somewhere. Better it be somewhere else, other than America. Stick that up yer pipe, Hugo baby, while you bash America yet again!

As for our resident troll alphie, you guys are just feeding him. There will be no argument anyone here can possibly make that would change his mind, so it’s not worth your effort, IMHO.

And as for this question:

I still can’t quite grasp why the dems seem so opposed to domestic energy production. Could one of you guys help me out?

funky chicken on August 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Answer: follow the money and leverage. There are three forces at play, all which combine to form SanFranNan’s anti-American oil policy:

1. Special interests: from “Big Ag” (mainly ADM and ConAgra) down to small producers, farmers have realized that being paid corporate welfare tax incentives to grow non-food corn and other fuel crops earn them much more money than food crops, given Congress’ desire to pander to powerful constituent bases at the expense of American security (which, come to think of it, is similar to the reason why so many politicians refuse to enforce existing laws on illegal immigration, but that’s another story). This issue is why price supports for crops never seem to go away in spite of ever more efficient production methods. It’s also an issue governments around the planet face, not just the US – e.g., try to import rice without duties into Japan; it just won’t happen.

2. Special interests: the so-called environmental movement. Having learned that “alternative” fuels are so bloody expensive, the environmental lobby supports ever-increasing fossil fuel prices so that at some point, their alternatives begin to make sense. The problem with this point is that because there is still so much supply of fossil fuels to be had (the “Peak Oil! Peak Oil! The world is ending!” group notwithstanding), natural market forces won’t justify pricing anywhere close to a break-even point for alternatives for many years yet. The simple fact is, outside of nuclear power, crude oil, coal, and natural gas are the most efficient energy sources for most needs, in terms of extractable calorific content. Of course, there are many other reasons why the environmental lobby are in lust with alternative power schemes, but again, like agriculture, it comes down to their addiction to corporate welfare tax incentives provided by the biggest Sugar Daddy of all, the US Government.

But by themselves, these two special interests would not stand for long, except for the third item, which acts as a catalyst for the first two:

3. The Left’s continued need for, and dependence upon, a state of fear and misery as the justification for its support of increasing Government intervention in the markets and personal freedoms. Without the power that comes from control of the government purse, the Left’s policies and philosophies would simply vanish like a fart in the wind. With the exception of providing for a standing army in wartime and managing the maintenance of and enforcement of laws, there is normally not much for a government to do, to justify its existence. As people began to realize this fact over history, they rejected, and even overthrew, their oppressively heavy-handed governments, wanting instead to be able to live their lives in peace and earn a living without paying taxes for services in which they saw no immediate benefit. Perhaps the most poignant example of this realization was Bastille Day in France; the Boston Tea Party follows right behind that.

So the Left must “sell” Government as the source of all solutions, big and small, in order to justify its existence. To this end, it will latch onto any state of fear it can find, or else create, to motivate the populace into freeing up the purse strings of money and power. It will make Devil’s bargains with dictators and throttle progress in its homelands in order to justify its need to derive power by controlling tax policy.

SanFranNan and the Obamessiah tacitly admit that the only thing wrong with $4.00/gallon gas prices is that the price rise happened too fast, causing people to take notice of it. They could literally care less that the bulk of increased costs for crude oil go to countries and stateless groups that use those funds to harm US interests and threaten the safety and security of US citizens. Indeed, the Left will eventually use these security threats to justify ever increasing efforts to “help” its citizens on the basis that there are nasty threats abroad, and that if they only could increase Government’s ability to “do something about it”, things would be better.

The prospect of American energy independence scares the crap out of Democrats because if it ever happens, employment will rise, poverty will fall, and people will become too busy earning their own wealth to care what Government will claim it can do for them.

/rant OFF

Wanderlust on August 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Liberals must be crushed…. no compromise….. just my humble opinion. I don’t think more words need be said.

MNDavenotPC on August 17, 2008 at 8:33 PM

No compromise the with NO ENERGY Party!

profitsbeard on August 17, 2008 at 8:56 PM

Wanderlust on August 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM

“desperate people do desperate things” IE: accept socialism

allrsn on August 17, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Wanderlust on August 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Don’t let Alphie read that, it’s head would explode, too much reason, intelligence, and fact……………

Seven Percent Solution on August 17, 2008 at 9:39 PM

I am involved in a green energy startup, but our focus is on harnessing animal waste (farmers have to pay to haul it off, to comply with the EPA rules), and instead burn that waste to create methane gas on the farm itself. Generate electricity from that waste, get the farmer off the grid and self sufficient with power, and if there is excess, sell the excess onto the grid. While this doesn’t do much for the price of gas for cars, it does free up fossil fuel energy for other needs in our economy. I am by no means a liberal, and I don’t believe in global warming. However, I do believe in exploiting economic opportunity when the econometrics are favorable, which they are in this case. We are attracting a lot of investors and we are also having fun.

I am all for drill here and drill now. Never before has it been more apparent that our NATIONAL SECURITY is at stake. This is NOT about $4/gallon gasoline. This is about protecting our country from enemies abroad. This is all about not shifting $700 BILLION from our treasury (GDP) into the treasury of our enemies.

Kudos to the GOP in the House. Now if the GOP weasels in the Senate find their backbone, we can nail this election this fall. I do not believe Obama will win the electoral votes and I am beginning to believe that the Dems will lose their majority. Reed and Pelosi are just stuck on stupid and the American electorate is coming out of their complacent coma. I even believe the Michigan will turn Red for this Presidential election, first time since Regan’s 2nd term, I think.

karenhasfreedom on August 18, 2008 at 3:57 AM

If the incident in Georgia along with over 70% of Americans wanting to drill for more oil doesn’t get through to Pelosi’s mind, we need new house leadership at the very least.

It is quite obvious we need to do everything to promote alternative energy sources. This is going to take years. We must become energy independent asap as anyone who has a brain can see how the Russian’s have frozen any tough response to their invasion of Georgia for fear of losing half of their natural gas supplies.

This is a situation which concerns national security yet we have Rep. Pelosi and other members of our congress playing politics as usual.

When we wake up one day in a situation comparable to 911 or worse, much of it will fall on the shoulders of many inept politicians. I always thought we elected our Congress to do things in the best interest of our country.

Also, to the gang of ten, get with the house Republican program. What you have signed on to will be nothing better than the status quo.

tazmebro on August 18, 2008 at 5:46 AM

I’m John McCain and I reject the politics of personal destruction and have ordered my personal representative Linday Graham to return to Washington to go to work with my close personal friends on the other side of the aisle (which I have crossed on many occasions to get work done on behalf of the American people) to work out a compromise. We must work out a solution to this problem without the bitter politics of obstruction by working with our friends the Democrats. I believe that Nancy Pelosi is a great American and will do the right thing for the American people and I trust her!

sabbott on August 18, 2008 at 8:25 AM

You don’t compromise with “evil” and/or “stupid”. You crush it.

Imagine Nancy Pelosi compromising with the Nazis in WWII: “OK, you can kill… mmmm… THREE million Jews and gypsies instead of six. Deal?”

Spanglemaker on August 18, 2008 at 10:21 AM

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