Open thread: McCain and Obama at the Saddleback forum
posted at 7:20 pm on August 16, 2008 by Allahpundit
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8 p.m. ET on CNN and MSNBC. Obama gets the first hour, then Maverick. Tune in at 8:55 or so at least for the body language as their paths cross onstage.
I share the boss’s disdain for this grand pander so I won’t be watching, but we’ll have video later if anything interesting gets said. Which isn’t as unlikely as she suggests, actually: Warren has promised to “deal with their personal life,” which in the case of his “amazing” friend Barry should mean at least one question about Rev. Wright and in McCain’s case should mean you know what. Note to Maverick: Be sure to mention John Edwards, seeing as he was thoughtful enough in his ABC mea culpa to mention you. Or better yet, since Warren’s so concerned about character, ask him what conclusion we should draw about the character of an American who travels overseas for photo ops with terrorist cretins responsible for funneling suicide bombers into Iraq to kill American soldiers.
As always, if you see or hear anything worth clipping while you watch, tips are very much welcome.
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I liked that.
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 10:47 PM
jgapinoy on August 16, 2008 at 10:45 PM
I have to agree… And like you, my theology is Catholic.
Damian G. on August 16, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Agreed. I have to say that Warren was a better questioner/moderator than any of the MSM people could hope to be.
carbon_footprint on August 16, 2008 at 10:48 PM
so Ann Lewis is Barny Frank’s sister. Did she write a secret diary before she got married?;)
Buford Gooch on August 16, 2008 at 10:49 PM
absolutely.
the people that hate dobson are left-wing losers.
right4life on August 16, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Do you know how ignorant it is to assume you know why other people feel the way they do about a given subject?
EJDolbow on August 16, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Yes.
And for the people who that phrase gets under their skin,(as well as when McCain says “Maaaaaaavverriiicckkkkkk”) just because they find it annoying …. I hope they got sufficiently P/O’ed by it, every time he said it.
For me, I personally got annoyed every time Obama went … “ahh… ahh ummm …. uhh.. ummm ayhhh.”
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 10:50 PM
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 10:50 PM
I still LOL when I think of Michelle saying it.
“MYAH-verick.”
Damian G. on August 16, 2008 at 10:51 PM
I caught a moment of CNN just to see someone talk about how he thought that is was so awesome that Obama mentioned that there were evil people in the US. While McCain focused on AlQ and Obama.
…….. and needless to say, CNN didn’t disappoint.
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Ann Lewis on Fox said something similar about how wonderful it was that Obama was courageous enough to claim that evil did not just exist outside of America.
carbon_footprint on August 16, 2008 at 10:55 PM
That’s a big no-shitter. That was absolutely priceless.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Inside America, we have our own force to deal with evil. They are called: “the police.”
As far as the president, who is commander in chief, I hope they spend more time looking outside our borders for evil than they look inside. (Not to say that evil does not exist here, as much as I think that it’s his responsibility.) A matter that is in his “pay grade”, as it were. For the evil outside our borders, the people who meet them first is our military.
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Who knows, there may be a day to come that she doesn’t despise him.
I hope to see that day come to pass.
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:02 PM
*crossing fingers for Michael Phelps.
Getting set to race on NBC.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:03 PM
As well as a day where other conservatives, such as the ones commenting (and posting) on conservative blogs, don’t also despise him. Maybe that day won’t come until the last day of his presidency. Oh well. Dare to dream.
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:05 PM
He has turned his back on his party too many times to count. I don’t think MM hates him, just his tendency for treachery at the most inopportune times.
Still, he beats the hell out of the prospect of an Obama presidency.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:07 PM
I said “OR misunderstanding”. If you have so much contempt for Dobson, I think it’s because you don’t know him.
jgapinoy on August 16, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Being re-broadcast on Fox.
Missed it the first time, but Obama says (three people he’d seek advice from question) Ted Kennedy?
coldwarrior on August 16, 2008 at 11:08 PM
GO PHELPS GO!!!
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:08 PM
And for some people, it will (hopefully) take 79 days to figure this out.
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:09 PM
USA!! World record, again. 8 for 8 for Phelps.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:12 PM
“We were able to get a bill passed…” after saying he crossed the aisle and went against his party and joined McCain. Didn’t Obama vote against that piece of legislation?
coldwarrior on August 16, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Surpassed Mark Spitz’s longstanding 7 medal record for one Olympics.
8 down, 1 to go.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Yeah, I heard that “we” loud and clear. Must have been a mouse in his pocket.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:14 PM
hillbillyjim:
It would seem to me that a lot of conservatives have turned their backs on their party from time to time. Of course their excuse is that their principles are more important to them than their party.
Maybe there are times when McCain feels the same way.
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:15 PM
So,excellent,I just caught the repeat!
canopfor on August 16, 2008 at 11:15 PM
But it is a pattern with McCain. I am going to vote for him, but he needs to back away from the insanity of climate change legislation, and keep his word on immigration to enforce the borders before attempting any “comprehensive” bullshit. Period.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Obama’s allegation that he consulted with experts about If the sunni and shi’a were going to get along after the war…? In answer to “most difficult decision” question.
Been scouring the net, googling like a champ, since the first broadcast, can’t find a single prior reference to Obama consulting “experts” about sunni’s and shi’a getting along before we invaded Iraq.
Is this one of those “I’ve always said” sort of make it up as you go along things?
coldwarrior on August 16, 2008 at 11:20 PM
427th!
- The Cat
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 11:22 PM
If some of the proposed climate change legislation passes, we are completely screwed on the cost of energy, drill or not.
It will be the one single event that will slow the American economy to a grinding halt, and go far towards putting us on par with the rest of the world (which a lot of liberals see as a good thing).
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Of course these are areas where McCain falls on his face.
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:25 PM
On abortion…
Can’t get it together…theology and scientific question…above his pay grade?
A non-answer answer?
Believes in Roe v. Wade. Flat out lied about abortion not going down. 1985-1997 average over 1.5 million per annum. Since 2000 have averaged 800k…and going down.
coldwarrior on August 16, 2008 at 11:26 PM
hillbillyjim:
McCain has voted a party line far more often than a lot of people give him credit for.
As for climate change, I have my doubts about it myself, and I think that as time passes more and more people will think the issue has been exaggerated. In the meantime most people are going to remain concerned about the issue. I got a lecture from a 6 year old about the importance of not cutting down trees. They start teaching this stuff in preschool anymore. McCain’s policy is not anywhere near as draconian as Obama’s, and right now that might be as much as we can expect.
And as far as immigration was concerned, McCain’s policy was the party line for quite some time, it was conservatives who put the pressure on the party to change its stance. I do think that McCain will push border security first, but I also think there are some people for whom there will never be enough security.
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:26 PM
I should have mentioned that whatever McCain’s stance on issues like immigration and climate control, he beat out people like Tacredo and Romney..so maybe the party members did not feel he was so far off base on these issues that they could not nominate him.
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Stem cells…
Lied about the Bush bill signed “can only use embryos that were discarded.” The Bill that passed limited embryonic stem cells to several “lines” that had been previously harvested.
Is now in favor of the sanctity of human life…but favors Roe v. Wade?
coldwarrior on August 16, 2008 at 11:29 PM
It might not just be about issues for people. It might be both experience and strength of character. No matter who gets nominated there is no way he can represent the views of everyone. That is just not possible.
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:30 PM
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:05 PM
I have to admit to not being thrilled with John McCain but then I wasn’t thrilled with any of the candidates. I have just come to the conclusion that you are lucky if you get one Ronald Reagan in your life and it isn’t fair to expect to get more. Just think, there are folks out there who revere Bill clinton like I revere Ronald Reagan. Doesn’t that say it all?
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Hoping AP & Michelle did too. I had very low expectations about this and didn’t know if I’d bother with it. I’m very glad I did.
Connie on August 16, 2008 at 11:32 PM
I find it difficult to understand how anyone would think that life begins at birth. You are born when you exit the womb. And the 10 seconds before that, were you alive? Yes?
So the logical – and scientific – conclusion is that it begins at conception. Where else would it begin? At the third trimester when the fetus begins to look like a baby? What’s the scientific reasoning for that?
Of course Obama took the safe way out for that answer.
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Crap, I thought Warren was an intellectual/theological light weight already. I missed that Syria trip. That stupid asshole.
aikidoka on August 16, 2008 at 11:34 PM
I understand.
I would, however, like to see 4 “Reagans” in my lifetime. I hope it isn’t just one. McCain certainly isn’t up there with a ‘Reagan.’ Bush wasn’t a ‘Reagan.’ But Bush was better than A president Al Gore. Or a president John Kerry.
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:35 PM
I think that it was purely a political calculation.
Tell me about it. Enviro-indoctrination 101.
There is nothing wrong with caring about our environment, but it has become a religion to some, regardless of the practical considerations. I, for one, do not want to shackle our economic future and use carbon as an excuse to let the rest of the world play catch-up.
I would love to punch Algore in the snot-box.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:35 PM
And it’s interesting to see that McCain cited his first marriage as his greatest failing. He’s certainly not proud of that. I didn’t catch Obama’s answer to that question.
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Cindy:
I don’t think that Ronald Reagan would be revered today. His amnesty bill and the fact that he raised taxes together with the Iran Contra scandal would hurt him more today than back then. I have tried to imagine the Reagan administration in the internet age, it would not be the same thing today. I think that the years that have passed have made it possible for people to forget the bad and remember the good.
This is not a criticism for Reagan, but I was on the farm back then and the Reagan years will always be the farm crisis years to me. It is all about perspective.
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:38 PM
I was thinking the same earlier. It exceeded my low expectations exponentially.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:39 PM
wise_man:
Obama said his greatest failure was his mispent youth. I think.
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Too bad for the both of you.
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:39 PM
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:35 PM
I haven’t agreed with everything W has done but I think he is a man of immense integrity. Somehow Democrats don’t give me the feeling that they cherish our country and hold the offices with much reverence. Maybe I am the one that’s wrong but all of these things mean something to me, it’s not just a power grab. I’ll take as many Reagans as I can get also. Let’s keep looking.
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Thanks.
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:40 PM
So has Warren had the balls to ask Obama about his lie concerning letting abortion survivors die?
aikidoka on August 16, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Hear, hear!
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:42 PM
hillybillyjim:
I don’t think it was just a political calculation for people to support McCain. No doubt that was part of it, but McCain’s history is inspiring to a lot of people. Like it or not he is the most popular Republican politician in the country today and that has a lot to do with his life story.
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Cindy:
I agree. Bush is a decent man who has had to deal with some very difficult situations. I think that has a lot to do with a president’s place in history as well as his popularity. Some are just called on to do more than others. Bush and Truman for instance, both had to make some very difficult decisions.
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Every administration is going to have a crisis of some sort during it’s time. Will you blame W for the mortgage crisis? I have made some pretty snarky remarks about Jimmy Carter and I do believe some of his practices hurt the country but only for a short time. Problems are as much if not more about the time then the person and I think we are always trying to fix the current one. None of them have killed me, most have only stung.
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Define rich?
$150k?
Then $250k and above (changed his mind immediately when told that $150k in SoCal wouldn’t make it.)
It’s all relative?
Starts talking about school, college and kids and debt…irresponsible to spend $10 million a month on war…OK.
But answer the darn question.
So, where are the people “between” $100k and $250k? Have a lot of private business friends who file income tax not corporate tax for their 5 or so employee businesses…are squeaking by…but Obama says they are rich? All their “profit” gets plowed right back into the business. Ain’t rich even by midwest standards.
Last entry on this one, but Obama sure has a skewed view of most of America.
coldwarrior on August 16, 2008 at 11:45 PM
In the “smoke-filled” back rooms of lore, I am sure it was.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Poor W, not only does he get 9/11 less than nine months into his administration but then he gets accused of secretly planning and carrying out. How is that fair?
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Once it’s pried out of him. On the one hand, you have (as an example of 2004) Kerry’s “Did you know I was in vietnam??” and Edward’s “My father worked in a mill.”
Contrast that with their behavior in 2004, making it a campaign issue that the Cheney’s have a lesbian daughter.
Meanwhile, you have to find out that McCain has an adopted daughter from India, among other stories about McCain that he really doesn’t publicize. At least to the extent that the democrats toot their own horn, or make issues with when it comes to the family of their political rivals.
As that degenerate democrat says; “the hottest layer of hell is reserved to the people who bring up family members of politicians. (Turbin Durbin, wasn’t it?)
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:48 PM
I am positive that I have not given Senator McCain enough credit for his history. It is extraordinary and he has handled it remarkably. I have a friend who is afraid he is mentally unbalanced because of his time as a P.O.W., don’t you think it would have manifested itself by now. People are odd.
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Cindy:
I did not say I blamed Reagan, but then again his administration did not really try to do anything for farmers. They just thought it was a business cycle that had to work its way out. I get that, but I actually knew people who lost farms that had been in their families for generations. There were small towns that never recovered out here in the sticks. So for me, it was not Morning in America.
I am just saying that sometimes when people talk about Reagan, I get the feeling that the real man has been replaced by a fantasy.
Like I said, this is not a criticism, it is only an observation.
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Please thank your sons on my behalf for their service, and thanks to you and your wife for raising such fine Americans. All the best to your family; I don’t say it often enough but I know that you’re the ones keeping us safe at home and I am deeply grateful. More than I can say.
Thank you. Whatever I have, I owe it to families like yours.
Gilda on August 16, 2008 at 11:51 PM
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Hugh Hewitt played the taped version of Obama’s books, read by Senator Obama and it was not inspiring. In my opinion he is lucky that Senator McCain has not used it campaign ads.
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Cindy:
Bush got 9/11, Katrina, the mortgage meltdown, and the unprecedented increase in energy demand that has fueled sky high oil prices.
And then there was Iraq and the fact that something had to be done, or way or another. Clinton just sort of kicked a lot of cans down the road.
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Reagan was AWESOME because he defeated the Evil Empire, on balance lowered taxes, & made our military great again, all the while dealing with an Dem-dominated Congress & a totally liberal media (no talk radio or internet or Fox).
jgapinoy on August 16, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Excellent comments by all, by the way. I am really glad to have found this site and am able to participate, I just wanted to say
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:55 PM
IMHO, Reagan was our greatest President.
jgapinoy on August 16, 2008 at 11:55 PM
wise_man:
When McCain does make an issue of his military history or his daughter he is often accused of using them both for political gain. But there is no way anyone can overlook years as a POW. That has to be the most defining aspect of his history.
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Yes. Al Quaeda, especially, comes to mind.
Of course the Dems blame it all on the Repubs’ focus on the Monica debacle. Unadulterated bullshit.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Glad to have you here.
jgapinoy on August 16, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Oh, I know. Don’t worry I am not offended, if I haven’t learned anything in my old age it is that you can only know what your history is and you were impacted. That small farm way of life is something that shouldn’t ever have been lost and look what a big industry it is now. My overwhelming memory of President Reagan is that he made me feel that we could do anything. As for the immigration deal, not a winner because it didn’t fix the problem and nothing will until we secure our borders. Iran Contra, I am still loving, despite the Bowman (spelling?) amendment.
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Al Qaeda.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:58 PM
you can call me wiseman. It’s my last name.
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:59 PM
It’s hard to type “Q” without following with “u”.
Lame excuse, but it’s all I’ve got.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Terrye on August 16, 2008 at 11:53 PM
All of that is true and remember to a lot of people Bill Clinton is the best president ever and they will probably always feel that way. People are funny and I like being one.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 12:00 AM
jgapinoy:
Well judging from Russia’s present behavior, they ain’t dead yet. He spent them into bankruptcy. But Russia is more than the Soviet Union and the desire for empire does not seem to be quite gone yet.
I do not think that Reagan was our greatest president. He was not a Washington or a Lincoln.
He did raise social security taxes, to save the system and he did make mistakes where the Middle East was concerned. We should not have left Afghanistan. We should not have sent the Marines to Lebanon. There should not have been an Iran Contra scanda. He made some mistakes. Everyone does.
Today I hear people complain about the death of the family farm, how it has been replaced by large corporations and a big systems agriculture. I suppose that would have happened anyway, but I will always associate the 80’s with the death of the family farm. I can’t help it. I lived it.
Terrye on August 17, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Cindy:
That is so true. I know people who think of the 90’s like a fairy tale or something. They loved Clinton. In fact that is probably what really did Newt Gingrich in. He went after Bubba.
Terrye on August 17, 2008 at 12:04 AM
jgapinoy on August 16, 2008 at 11:54 PM –
“Reagan was AWESOME because…”
Reagan was awesome because he actually believed in what he said. He exuded confidence…and it was contagious.
He inspired a lot of us young adults to do some awesome things across the globe, things that most said could never be accomplished, because we understood the sincerity of his beliefs. He turned a nation emotionally crushed by the defeatism of the Carter years, the confusion of the Ford years, and the shame of Nixon’s fall from grace into a vibrant, forward looking, enthusiastic America.
The rest of the stuff…Evil Empire, taxes, made the military better and more well-honed…that’s all just collateral stuff. Honest.
I first came to Washington when Reagan came to Washington…was present when the Reagan years took off. You could feel the welcome change…it was palpable…so very real.
Just thought I’d throw that out there…
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 12:04 AM
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Don’t sweat the small stuff, we know what you meant. Although I am not willing to blame President Clinton for 9/11. Who in the world would ever believe anything so horrendous would be possible. Americans just don’t think that way. That said I guess Timothy McViegh thought that way.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 12:05 AM
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 12:04 AM
You are a lucky soul.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Cindy:
Reagan did not know what the immigration thing would turn into. In truth the population growth of the southwest and the subsidized water changed a lot of things. More big growers, more places for people to work, larger towns and cities.
Terrye on August 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM
I went to Oklahoma for grandmother’s 90th birthday a couple of days after Tim McVeigh destroyed that Federal Building. I had a cousin who was injured in the blast. He was staying at the hotel across the street and down the block. Flying glass.He was okay, but it shook him up. There are still people in Oklahoma who think there was more to all that than we know. Clinton came down for the service, I was still there. The people appreciated his being there. No one blamed him. That seemed to be in the days before blame.
Terrye on August 17, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Terrye on August 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM
As the old saying goes, hindsight is 20/20 but it does seem a shame that a whole tradition of America has all but disappeared. I wonder if that’s the case in other countries? Do they still have family farms that grow crops for market? W didn’t like the idea of border control at first either but I think that’s because he is from Texas and the Mexicans have always been a huge part of his life. I look at it strictly as a security issue and don’t quite understand how with today’s tools we can’t protect ourselves and have seasonal help and future citizens.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Yep. Me too. Many thanks to those who made it possible, and to the community of fellow HA commenters.
This really is a great and unique place. Just sayin.’
Gilda on August 17, 2008 at 12:18 AM
I thought McCain was quite strong tonight. Very good performance.
CP on August 17, 2008 at 12:20 AM
obama — toughest decision — being aganist the war we he has no vote or say.
McCain — toughest decision — saying no to being releast for prisonor of war.
I don’t know. One is a bunt. One is a grand slam. LOL. Should seal it for anybody.
kara26 on August 17, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Gilda on August 17, 2008 at 12:18 AM
wise_man on August 16, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Truly a great group of smart, witty and more importantly nice people here at this site. I have even decided to encourage Alphie because I learn so much for people’s replies to him.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 12:25 AM –
“…because I learn so much for people’s replies to him.”
That, dear lady, deserves an honest and warm chuckle from this old grey dog. :-)
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Of course the blame for 9-11 is squarely on the bastards that planned the attack and carried it out. However, Clinton is not blameless, as his administration had opportunities to strike Al Qaeda and nab Bin Laden. It seems that the legalistic and international political hurdles associated with taking Bin Laden off of the Sudanese regime’s hands were too much trouble to be bothered with, and Al Qaeda was allowed to flourish with very little to fear from the US under his watch.
hillbillyjim on August 17, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Alphie is a female. Supposedly an alpha female. Or an alpha victim.
carbon_footprint on August 17, 2008 at 12:37 AM
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 12:30 AM
I didn’t say I was going to be nice to him, just encourage him. People have a lot of patience with him and I really do learn. After a while I think it is like banging your head against a brick wall.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 12:39 AM
carbon_footprint on August 17, 2008 at 12:37 AM
You’re kidding. Another point subtracted from my gender, how disappointing.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 12:40 AM
Since this is an open thread.
If there is someone out there who would like to move to Texas, a really interesting opportunity has opened up. I have an aging friend who lives in the famous and gorgeous Hill Country area who needs a couple to occupy a guest house on her property, rent free. In exchange, she needs the grounds maintained, help with housework, and likely some driving around. The homestead is peaceful and simple, and my friend is a thoroughly sweet soul; a Republican to the core! Anyone interested please email my nic @ privateserv.com.
RushBaby on August 17, 2008 at 12:41 AM
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 12:39 AM –
Ya know, if alphie would do more than post quips and snide comments and actually engage…could be of benefit to alphie and us. Honest debate is a great learning source. Quippy little one liners…not so much.
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 12:41 AM
No, not kidding. Entelechy brought it up a day or two ago and Alphie did not contest it. Check out alphie’s website.
carbon_footprint on August 17, 2008 at 12:42 AM
This needs to be said ( after watching both men tonight )
Obama is an dishonest, INarticulate, stuttering jerk; a morally bankrupt weasel who dodges questions pathologically–and nearly everything is mostly about HIM
Asked about defeating evil, he ‘uh-ed’ and ‘ah-ed’ about ‘confronting’ evil and babbled crap about how trying to defeat evil was a potenial evil itself
Un-frakking-believable. McCain cleaned his clock.
Janos Hunyadi on August 17, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Besides, it is big fun to watch Alphie get slapped around, usually managing to confirm the arguments (s)he is railing against, or vice versa.
hillbillyjim on August 17, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Actually, I think the trolls serve a valuable purpose here. It would get old quickly if it were an echo chamber. HotAir is definitely not an echo chamber. The atheist threads are a case in point. I recall about six or seven months ago I could not even bring myself to read HA due to all the horrible McCain bashing. It still goes on but is much, much less and I think soon, will become rare.
McCain was not my first choice but his stock has gone up in my view after tonight.
I’m sure he will do or say something to frustrate me again, but that is what leadership entails at times.
carbon_footprint on August 17, 2008 at 12:48 AM
coldwarrior on August 17, 2008 at 12:41 AM
Well that’s true, half the time it doesn’t even make sense.
Cindy Munford on August 17, 2008 at 12:48 AM
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