Open thread: McCain and Obama at the Saddleback forum
posted at 7:20 pm on August 16, 2008 by Allahpundit
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8 p.m. ET on CNN and MSNBC. Obama gets the first hour, then Maverick. Tune in at 8:55 or so at least for the body language as their paths cross onstage.
I share the boss’s disdain for this grand pander so I won’t be watching, but we’ll have video later if anything interesting gets said. Which isn’t as unlikely as she suggests, actually: Warren has promised to “deal with their personal life,” which in the case of his “amazing” friend Barry should mean at least one question about Rev. Wright and in McCain’s case should mean you know what. Note to Maverick: Be sure to mention John Edwards, seeing as he was thoughtful enough in his ABC mea culpa to mention you. Or better yet, since Warren’s so concerned about character, ask him what conclusion we should draw about the character of an American who travels overseas for photo ops with terrorist cretins responsible for funneling suicide bombers into Iraq to kill American soldiers.
As always, if you see or hear anything worth clipping while you watch, tips are very much welcome.
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YES!!
Didnt see the movie - I’ll have to rent it sometime!
gxpgxp on August 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM
McCain is doing an excellent job so far.
WisCon on August 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Oh goodness, the abortion question.
This could go well…or not at all.
flyawaybird on August 16, 2008 at 9:19 PM
And there it was :)
- The Cat
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 9:19 PM
**edit** nevermind, fears averted.
flyawaybird on August 16, 2008 at 9:19 PM
McCain is nailin’em to the wall
- The Cat
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Wish granted
ThePrez on August 16, 2008 at 9:20 PM
McCain’s Rockin’
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Abortion analysis not above McCain’s pay grade.
WisCon on August 16, 2008 at 9:20 PM
gxpgxp on August 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM
And I’ve never seen the show, so my liking it is high praise (and my parents liked it having seen the show).
Damian G. on August 16, 2008 at 9:20 PM
WisCon on August 16, 2008 at 9:20 PM
QOTD.
Damian G. on August 16, 2008 at 9:21 PM
You poor, poor girl. My sympathies.
No problem.
Open thread. Yay!
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 9:21 PM
heh
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Stem cells - here we go.
flyawaybird on August 16, 2008 at 9:22 PM
So far I am pleasantly surprised with McCain’s answers.
salmonczar on August 16, 2008 at 9:23 PM
flyawaybird on August 16, 2008 at 9:22 PM
And he answered it quite well. No fuss, no muss.
Damian G. on August 16, 2008 at 9:23 PM
McCain Akbar!!!
Get Osama (after you defeat Obama).
Right_of_Attila on August 16, 2008 at 9:23 PM
McCain’s doing really well so far.
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 9:23 PM
A grand slam on the evil question!
This man is a leader.
WisCon on August 16, 2008 at 9:23 PM
McCain is fired up!
terryannonline on August 16, 2008 at 9:24 PM
What should we do about evil?
Obama: Talks to our allies, blah, blaj,blah, gather consensus, blah, blah, blah, look inward and ask ourselves tough questions, blah, blah, blah….
McCain: Defeat it!
ThePrez on August 16, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Defeat it.
no i-i-i no flowery words, just BAM
I was for him before because he was the best in option. Now I’m for him for him.
Not just this question, but this whole thing has won me over.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 9:24 PM
here here
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 9:24 PM
GO MCCAIN!
jencab on August 16, 2008 at 9:24 PM
McCain’s got a list! Ha Ha
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 9:25 PM
+10
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Yeah. McCain is a clear winner thus far. Clear, concise answers with no fluff.
flyawaybird on August 16, 2008 at 9:26 PM
I have two Channel DVR one on Olympics and other on the Skins game to watch Farve and Colt. So I came here to hear how the
brokebacksaddleback thingy is going. So that said no need for the score updates since I am watching the game just need to know the highlight from the forum.Dako.
p.s. Farve looked good.
dako on August 16, 2008 at 9:28 PM
“Yes, yes, and find bad teachers another line of work”
LOVE IT.
flyawaybird on August 16, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Yeah McCain is kicking some major butt…
justinok on August 16, 2008 at 9:29 PM
John McCain is great.
Perhaps some posters on this site may know that I have been supporting John McCain for President when it was not so popular on this site. I hope that all of you now understand better why.
John McCain must be our next President, our next Commander in Chief — for my two sons in the military, for my wife and me and for us all.
Phil Byler on August 16, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Obama must be dizzy after hearing McCain hit home-run after home-run. He must be wetting himself because to face McCain in a debate is a knockout and a big F for Obama.
jencab on August 16, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Best line of the night. McCain is destroying Obama.
Complete7 on August 16, 2008 at 9:30 PM
The difference in these answers comes down to a man that has core beliefs, and one that doesn’t.
I’ll let y’all decide who has what. ;)
rslancer14 on August 16, 2008 at 9:30 PM
McCain’s prompt, clear answers and lack of stammering is really a great contrast to the Messiah.
salmonczar on August 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM
dako on August 16, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Please hush, I am in Florida and I don’t have those things, I want to know the score, please.
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM
I can’t wait for the polling after this.
- The Cat
P.S. Now we know why Obama won’t do a townhall debate. As someone said here before “Baaarrraaaaaak Baaarrraaaaaaaaak”
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM
“Find the bad teachers another line of work.”
Take that, NEA.
photom on August 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM
We’re half way through and McCain is at about the point Obama got. Yet McCain has given more substantive information. Obama is clearly a featherweight for anyone who can sit through two hours of politics.
BryanS on August 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Phil Byler on August 16, 2008 at 9:30 PM
AMEN.
Damian G. on August 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM
I substitute taught in an inner city school one year. I would get calls every week for the SAME TEACHER. He hated his job, was close to retirement, and all the kids said he was never there. They knew he didn’t care.
Merit pay = GOOD. Good job to McCain.
flyawaybird on August 16, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Beautiful answer incorporating small business owners, and sneaking in health care as well.
salmonczar on August 16, 2008 at 9:32 PM
good answer
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Here a good scoreboard link, and GameCenter is top shelf.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 9:33 PM
McCain knocked the “What number” makes a person rich question out of the park…
Right_of_Attila on August 16, 2008 at 9:33 PM
McCain has tremendously impressed me. That is a conservative. But, wait until we get to immigration.
However I am much more confident in voting for McCain.
jencab on August 16, 2008 at 9:33 PM
“I don’t know if that was a paternity issue or a criminal issue.”
HAHAHA
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 9:34 PM
McCain knocked the “What number” makes a person rich question out of the park…
Yes, at first I was worried he was dodging, but then he beat the **** out of that question.
salmonczar on August 16, 2008 at 9:34 PM
McCain has literally taken over the room. This is amazing.
Damian G. on August 16, 2008 at 9:34 PM
I can see it now, a “My Friends Counter” on the Daily Show or Letterman.
jencab on August 16, 2008 at 9:34 PM
HERE HERE!
flyawaybird on August 16, 2008 at 9:34 PM
salmonczar on August 16, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Same. I wouldn’t have thought to say that.
Damian G. on August 16, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Has Obama left yet? :)
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Love the money wasting lines. He is kicking butt and taking names. Have the shown Bill Mahre anymore. I bet they haven’t.
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2008 at 9:35 PM
“I don’t know if that was a paternity issue or a criminal issue”
Send the bear DNA project to Maury Povich.
flyawaybird on August 16, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Secret ballots! Yes!
WisCon on August 16, 2008 at 9:35 PM
He tied unions with privacy rights. I LOVE IT.
Damian G. on August 16, 2008 at 9:35 PM
flyawaybird on August 16, 2008 at 9:35 PM
JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!
Damian G. on August 16, 2008 at 9:36 PM
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Thanks!
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2008 at 9:36 PM
ElvisObama has left the building…Right_of_Attila on August 16, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Dude.. Rick Warren asked all the questions he had already hahah.. simple and concise vs. BS and uhhh and ummmms
justinok on August 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Hit on the Union non-secret ballot proposals the Dems have been pushing…snuck it in…but nailed it.
I’m impressed. From the hip, but on target. Like an Avenger pilot “going downtown.” He’s nailing it.
Realistic on FISA stuff…no nuance…
coldwarrior on August 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Man, he is pulling things out (factoids) left and right. So much for Senile.
- The Cat
P.S. Points for saying “Cyberspace.”
P.P.S. Get ready for the controversy that McCain got asked more questions.
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM
I’d love to be a fly on the wall wherever M.O. is right now.
Connie on August 16, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Notice he’s talking to the room not ignoring them
- The Cat
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Uh…what…uh…controversy…uh? /s
Connie on August 16, 2008 at 9:39 PM
I remarked earlier that Obama was running out the clock with his answers. He hates thinking on his feet. He has performed poorly compared to McCain so far.
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 9:39 PM
It is not fair. McCain must have heared the questions. Possibly leaked to him by Rove? I cant wait for the debates. I wish I had the Philly debate on dvd where Hillary & ABC pummeled Obama. That was sweet.
chief on August 16, 2008 at 9:39 PM
I demand a townhall debate!!!!!!
- The Cat
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Not so much a controversy as a simple observation that Obama said a whole lot of nothing.
BryanS on August 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Indeed, we need more comedy.
Damian G. on August 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM
McCain has had no weak answers, so far. I just wish he saw immigration as a national security issue.
Right_of_Attila on August 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Barack Obama isn’t going to want to debate John McCain at all after this.
rslancer14 on August 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM
I like GameCenter for baseball, too. (Even shows pitch placement.)
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM
What’s the deal with the occasional drum roll in the background?
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 9:42 PM
I dont think CNN will reair this forum.. just cuz how good McCain did.
justinok on August 16, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Sen. McCain is doing really well. His natural sense of humor and his passion about some of these issues is really serving him in good stead. He’s much clearer on explaining his thinking succintly than Sen. Obama was. I think what’s really helping him out is that in a format where he’s talking to someone rather than trying to follow a teleprompter.
Jill1066 on August 16, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Warren announced the rule that if there was more time, there would be more questions.
If there is any controversy, it’s just Obama not taking responsibility for his extended empty BS answers.
Right_of_Attila on August 16, 2008 at 9:42 PM
McCain will beat Obama about the head and shoulders in debates, THAT’S for sure, given his performance tonight.
MsUnderestimated on August 16, 2008 at 9:43 PM
I`m sure they`ll find an empty hour to sneak it in………Now which hour would they air? :)
ThePrez on August 16, 2008 at 9:43 PM
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Well I’m flipping back and forth so naturally they are stinking up the place. They are so annoying. But Jax is getting spanked by Miami. Who’d of thunk? Preseason, thank goodness.
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Sure they will. After they edit his answers and focus on Obama’s applauded mini-speeches.
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 9:45 PM
I am very impressed with his knowledge of Georgia becoming a Christian nation.
Good, good, good line.
Damian G. on August 16, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Sen. McCain comes across as more engaged and energetic. Sen. Obama came across as relaxed and laid-back. Overall, I think Sen. McCain’s demeanor is much more effective. He’s really educating the crowd. It’s neat when the audience gets quiet listening to what he has to say and then reacts with sincerely enthusiastic applause.
Jill1066 on August 16, 2008 at 9:46 PM
I’m impressed with McCain thus far. He’s doing much better than I expected.
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM
That was a pretty lame non-answer on religious persecution.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 9:48 PM
I think McCain is very effective here. My biggest quibble with him, believe it or not, was the commment on millions for studying bear DNA. The US spending money on something like that sounds silly until you spend about ten seconds thinking about it. Bears, in many states, are game animals, thus good management of them means healthy populations, so more licenses can be sold, and more money is brought into government coffers. Furthermore, people go to places like Yellowstone or the Great Smokeys hoping to see bears. Thus, bears can and do have positive economic impact. And yes, there is the other side of the ledger, they can kill livestock and there have been three bear maulings in Anchorage recently. Thus, Ursids can and do have a negative economic impact. The point is, bears affect humans in ways good and bad, so why not spend money to understand their biology well?
radjah shelduck on August 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Another great answer. Obama has got to be hoping that cuts of this never get shown!
WisCon on August 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Touchdown, Washington Redskins!
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Jill1066 on August 16, 2008 at 9:46 PM
If McCain had been as ‘relaxed’ as Obama, the moonbats would have started making jokes about him being comatose.
salmonczar on August 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Adoption is the cure for abortion.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM
I get it now. They do it at the framing of each question.
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Touchdown, President John McCain!
Damian G. on August 16, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Very good point about making adoption easier. My home state of Pennsylvania is just terrible for letting kids languish in foster care or putting them back with utterly incompetent parents. I had friends go out of state for their second child because the nightmare of the foster-adopt system with the first child and losing a second foster child scarred them terribly.
Jill1066 on August 16, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Lovely answer about adoption. Unlike Obama, McCain has personal experience–
Ohh there’s that e-word again.
salmonczar on August 16, 2008 at 9:50 PM
I’ve gotta give’m credit. That was a nice drive.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 9:51 PM
This has the look of an overtime situation.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Why is every Repub candidate so hot for “reaching across the aisle” to get Demo support? Hows about the most ethical party ever getting off thier asses and reaching out to conservatives once in a while?
Texan on August 16, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Other than chiding Congress to come back to work on energy, MCCain said nothing negative about Democrats. Not one word that I recall. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Connie on August 16, 2008 at 9:53 PM
It’s a matter of priorities. $3 Million for bear DNA in the middle of a ware is a choice that might not be the best investment. However, thanks for explaining your viewpoint on the issue. I hadn’t heard that line of thought before and it helped.
Jill1066 on August 16, 2008 at 9:53 PM
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