Open thread: McCain and Obama at the Saddleback forum
posted at 7:20 pm on August 16, 2008 by Allahpundit
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8 p.m. ET on CNN and MSNBC. Obama gets the first hour, then Maverick. Tune in at 8:55 or so at least for the body language as their paths cross onstage.
I share the boss’s disdain for this grand pander so I won’t be watching, but we’ll have video later if anything interesting gets said. Which isn’t as unlikely as she suggests, actually: Warren has promised to “deal with their personal life,” which in the case of his “amazing” friend Barry should mean at least one question about Rev. Wright and in McCain’s case should mean you know what. Note to Maverick: Be sure to mention John Edwards, seeing as he was thoughtful enough in his ABC mea culpa to mention you. Or better yet, since Warren’s so concerned about character, ask him what conclusion we should draw about the character of an American who travels overseas for photo ops with terrorist cretins responsible for funneling suicide bombers into Iraq to kill American soldiers.
As always, if you see or hear anything worth clipping while you watch, tips are very much welcome.
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Red State: Rick Warren Sells Out to Libs on CNN
Connie on August 16, 2008 at 7:26 PM
I’ll wait for the real debates. Olympics on my TV…
JetBoy on August 16, 2008 at 7:26 PM
Gatekeepers & influence peddlers. Welcome to politics, ugh.
Spirit of 1776 on August 16, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Obama has a purpose driven wife.
McCain creates purpose driven strife.
If Rick Warren were a solid Christain he would not let Obama anywhere near his place of worship.
No rational human being can believe in a God that gives life would be okay with the careless murder of hundreds of millions of those lives.
EJDolbow on August 16, 2008 at 7:29 PM
The Fox people said earlier today it’d be on their network as well… Am I wrong?
loganthompson on August 16, 2008 at 7:30 PM
Yes, Fox News just mentioned that Brett Baer will be covering it. I’ll be switching the channel at 8pm, though. I’ll just look for the highlights from Michelle and HA…if there are any.
ConMom on August 16, 2008 at 7:39 PM
Buy low, sell high.
If you hear Jim Cramer say to sell a stock, sell it the month before.
MB4 on August 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Rick Warren’s only purpose is the please the liberals.. he wants to show everyone how unifying and loving he is..
If evangelicals let him take over their movement, say goodbye to social conservatism.
justinok on August 16, 2008 at 7:41 PM
I have a feeling this will be two hours of nothing notable.
I could be wrong.
Anyone playing a drinking game with Obama’s ‘uhs’?
An hour without a teleprompter; there should be a few.
carbon_footprint on August 16, 2008 at 7:42 PM
Mocking’s probably the best tactic on this one. (Oh, and blechh!)
Nichevo on August 16, 2008 at 7:43 PM
PHEW! Thank heavens Obama doesn’t have to suffer through a real debate! He might stammer once or twice!
MadisonConservative on August 16, 2008 at 7:44 PM
Redstate? You have got to be kidding me. Every time I have checked them out they are nothing but a forced Jircle Cerk.
MB4 on August 16, 2008 at 7:45 PM
Wow, HA ate my comment.
Anyone want to wager on the final count of how many ‘uhs’ Obama produces in one hour?
I predict 487.
carbon_footprint on August 16, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Hot Air just ate two of my comments.
Any prediction on the number of ‘uhs’ we can expect from Obama?
No teleprompter for a whole hour; should be interesting.
carbon_footprint on August 16, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Hot Air just ate
twothree of my comments.Any prediction on the number of ‘uhs’ we can expect from Obama?
No teleprompter for a whole hour; should be interesting.
carbon_footprint on August 16, 2008 at 7:48 PM
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carbon_footprint on August 16, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Hot Air just ate
twofour of my comments.Any prediction on the number of ‘uhs’ we can expect from Obama?
No teleprompter for a whole hour; should be interesting.
carbon_footprint on August 16, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Yeah, it’s on FOXNEWS. And they’ll have a round table after.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Since Obama went to Wrights church,I see a Simpson
episode with Rod and Todd in this debate!
Obama,careful,do you want an angry god or a vengeful god!
haha!
canopfor on August 16, 2008 at 8:00 PM
No, seriously, as long as you remember they’re Republicans, not conservatives, they make sense.
jaime on August 16, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Looks like it is starting on Fox now. I don’t know that I can listen to 2 hours of this though.
Dawnsblood on August 16, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Anybody have a streaming link to Fox?(SOS)!:)
canopfor on August 16, 2008 at 8:02 PM
456
How many ‘uhs’ will Obama spout off in one hour?
carbon_footprint on August 16, 2008 at 8:02 PM
test
carbon_footprint on August 16, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Warren is a pro PA, anti Israel, God beats you up to teach you, SOB.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Okay, athiests, get it out of your system now.
DethMetalCookieMonst on August 16, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Grandmother out from under the bus?
WisCon on August 16, 2008 at 8:05 PM
Rev. Wright?
carbon_footprint on August 16, 2008 at 8:06 PM
The empty suit said will listen to his wife, and the grandmother he threw under the bus. This could be a waste of time, if there are only softball questions.
Right_of_Attila on August 16, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Anyone know how long this is supposed to be?
DethMetalCookieMonst on August 16, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Two hours
carbon_footprint on August 16, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Two hours with a panel afterward.
Dawnsblood on August 16, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Waits for libs to appologize to Bush for making fun of unproven drug use….
….looks like I’ll need a crate of watch batteries.
DethMetalCookieMonst on August 16, 2008 at 8:08 PM
U.S. biggest moral failure in his life. Gee, Obama, how many feet do you have to put in your mouth.
DethMetalCookieMonst on August 16, 2008 at 8:09 PM
Man I’m so glad I’m not answering these questions.. how can you BS so quickly with no time to think it through?
justinok on August 16, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Wait is this going to be all Obama for the first half, and when people get burnt out of watching it and/or have seen their Savior speak turn it off when McCain comes on?
- The Cat
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Zzzzzzz.
Warren is letting O drone on about his decision on Iraq, which he did not vote on or know the intelligence.
Right_of_Attila on August 16, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Talking points.
I’m missing most of this. I’m babysitting.
Connie on August 16, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Saddam Hussein was a “real bad person”.
WisCon on August 16, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Warren is nothing more than a populist.
KBird on August 16, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Saddam, you’re a very bad person. Go to the corner. NOW!
DethMetalCookieMonst on August 16, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Warren is practically holding his hand.
- The Cat
P.S. If McCain doesn’t say abortion to the America’s Moral Failure tripe then I’m gonna scream.
P.P.S. “When have you ever been wrong.” What’s me wrong. . oh there was this time when I didn’t think Clinton had the right but then hey, the Democrat did have it right.
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Amazing! Obama’s first answers were all lies!
stonemeister on August 16, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Did he say he worked with McCain on campaign finance reform?
atxcowgirl on August 16, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Oh, and Sodom is a kick-ass German metal band!!!
DethMetalCookieMonst on August 16, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Yeah, had to roll my eyes at that one, too.
DethMetalCookieMonst on August 16, 2008 at 8:21 PM
While Rick Warren has done some good-Celebrate Recovery helped me while I was a Christian(I’ve since returned to Judaism) to begin to beat back a 20+ year case of bulimia-He is also a feel good new ager .
I always thought that Jesus came with a sword.
He met with Assad a while back and the organizer of the C.R. I attended couldn’t understand why I thought the “great Reverend” needed some “recovery” himself.
No moral person has any business metting with a murderer like Assad.
Period!!
annoyinglittletwerp on August 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Oh, whatevs. I’m watching movies right now.
don’t worry though. I’m sure Little Green Footballs will have some rant about how Rick Warren is a “creationist” and thus anything he says or does is completely irrelves.
mjk on August 16, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Go ahead and dodge the abortion question, Obama.
DethMetalCookieMonst on August 16, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Jeesh! Give it up about McCain’s marriage. Not only has he accepted responsibility long ago, that marriage was dead dead dead. How many marriages survived after not seeing each other for 7 years? Both of them suffered tremendously. It’s not like McCain didn’t suffer, too.
Blake on August 16, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Does not know when a baby gets human rights??? Above his pay grade??? What???
WisCon on August 16, 2008 at 8:23 PM
DODGE ALERT!! DODGE ALERT!.
and unfortunately he succeeded.
justinok on August 16, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Here we go with the “pro-lifers are against any exceptions for the mother’s health” lie.
DethMetalCookieMonst on August 16, 2008 at 8:24 PM
He want’s to be the leader of the free world and the debate on abortion is above his pay grade??
- The Cat
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Obama completely chokes on the abortion question.
Right_of_Attila on August 16, 2008 at 8:25 PM
And he gives Planned Parenthood a bump.
Connie on August 16, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Are you talking about Obama’s supporters?
EJDolbow on August 16, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Mjk:
I’ve stopped reading Lgf because of their treatment of ID’ers.
If someone wants to dislike Warren they’ve got better reasons than creationism to go on.
annoyinglittletwerp on August 16, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Gay marriage - switch to Federalist postion? check!
WisCon on August 16, 2008 at 8:26 PM
He blew it on abortion. next!
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Now come on. Allahpundit is an athiest but he’s not an Obama supporter. Also, he’s not an asshole athiests like many of the more well known athiests or certain people on this site.
DethMetalCookieMonst on August 16, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Obama is trying to run out the clock.
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Ummm, quoth Obamessiah :
“Deciding when life begins is above my pay grade”
Yet he pushes a public policy supporting abortion without knowing when a life is being taken? I always wished someone would ask the particular question “when exactly does life begin?”. Whatever your beliefs, that’s not the type of question you should be allowed to avoid when you run for public office.
BryanS on August 16, 2008 at 8:29 PM
He’s blowing it on the stem cell question.
Obama just said, “It’s not like we are going around saying ‘Let’s destroy embryos’”
terryannonline on August 16, 2008 at 8:30 PM
This is just painful.
It’s God’s job to erase evil from the world?
salmonczar on August 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM
He keeps reiterating himself. There were 16 original questions but I doubt he answers many. He is droning on and on.
Guardian on August 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Did he just accuse the US of evil?
Connie on August 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Nice snide remark from the moderator LOL.
DethMetalCookieMonst on August 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM
The O calls for humility in confronting Evil. He must have discovered humility recently.
Right_of_Attila on August 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Now remember, be humble when dealing with Satan. Oye
- The Cat
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 8:32 PM
He’s complaining now!
WisCon on August 16, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Woah. His answer on evil stunk also.
terryannonline on August 16, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Threw Clarence Thomas under the bus.. basically called him an idiot
justinok on August 16, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Clarence Thomas? FU asshole!
mred on August 16, 2008 at 8:32 PM
I think you’re on to something
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 8:33 PM
And got a hearty applause - yikes.
AprilOrit on August 16, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Obama said, “A lot of evil has been perpetrated in the name of defeating evil.”
terryannonline on August 16, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Oh, he’s so painful to watch when he’s going off the cuff.
Libs, where’s your apology to Bush for calling him stupid because of some slip-ups he makes when he talks.
DethMetalCookieMonst on August 16, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Now he’s talking about what the Supreme Court has done with ‘his administration’?
salmonczar on August 16, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Yeah…what was that about?
BryanS on August 16, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Warren stated the questions would depend on the answers at the beginning. He is letting Obama off the hook, especially on the abortion question. “I have more, but we need to get to the next 15 questions.
In the tank, just as suspected.
eaglesdontflock on August 16, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Really???
Nothing about the accelerating level of legislating from the bench, of course.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 8:35 PM
It’s the courts’ job to restrain the Executive…how about the Legislative, Barry/
Texan on August 16, 2008 at 8:35 PM
hey, not he did this or that or volunteered etc. No it’s, “I gave a speach.”
- The Cat
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 8:35 PM
I’d like to know, it was very odd.
AprilOrit on August 16, 2008 at 8:36 PM
I don’t know. I think Warren asking tough questions and Obama is not doing all that well.
terryannonline on August 16, 2008 at 8:36 PM
The applause was more against Bush than Thomas. BDS is alive and well there.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Nice ears.
mred on August 16, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Can’t believe he failed to mention radical islam but gets a shot in at America.
Oh wait….yes I can believe it.
186k on August 16, 2008 at 8:38 PM
I have too. I removed LGF from my Bloglines account a while back. What have Creationists done to Charles Johnson that he hates their guts so?
clark smith on August 16, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Teachers at our high school didn’t even want a “Teacher of the Year” award.
Connie on August 16, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Woah, “I’m not asking that all teachers should get a raise.” just cut the cheer point lol. Ok I’ll give Warren that one.
MirCat on August 16, 2008 at 8:38 PM
How in the hell are you going to scale teachers’ pay to performance without testing, BO?
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Gotta say.. Rick Warren sounds like a conservative in his questioning.. waiting for what he’s gonna ask McCain
justinok on August 16, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Wow. I guess I’m poverty-stricken.
Connie on August 16, 2008 at 8:40 PM
God, this is unwatchable.
hillbillyjim on August 16, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Not sure, but I think it had something to do with attempting to get religion taught in science class.
Purple Fury on August 16, 2008 at 8:40 PM
All teachers should get raises?
A year or two ago there was a teachers strike in a Lebanon, PA school district. In almost every school in that district the average teacher’s pay was at least a couple thousand dollars above the average pay for people living in that district.
All teachers need raises my ass.
DethMetalCookieMonst on August 16, 2008 at 8:40 PM
More applause, I’m very surprised.
AprilOrit on August 16, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Obama thinks 3-4% of Americans make over $250,000 per year.
Right_of_Attila on August 16, 2008 at 8:41 PM
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