Stupid: Atheist group wants to be included in Democrats’ … interfaith service
posted at 9:01 pm on August 15, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I’m always at risk of overreacting to stories like this because as an atheist myself I hate the fact that tools like this purport to speak for me. That caveat aside, here’s possibly the single dumbest example of atheist identity politics we’ve seen yet, and we’ve seen some doozies. The sheer efficiency of its loathsomeness is amazing: In one fell swoop it reduces skepticism to a quasi-faith, trades “free thinking” for a pathetic need to feel “included,” and of course embraces the hallmark prostrate grievance posture of the victimized group. I’m not surprised that Dawkins sits on their Advisory Board, but to know that Hitchens, Sam Harris, and Salman Rushdie do too is depressing.
The chief executive officer of the Democratic National Convention Committee, the Rev. Leah Daughtry, has planned an interfaith gathering as the opening event of the Democratic National Convention on August 24, 2008. While it is designed to showcase the “diversity” and “shared values” of the party and achieve a “spirit of unity,” it will, in fact, marginalize those Democrats who do not practice religion…
Tens of millions of American voters are nontheists with no god belief, and millions more who practice some religion bring secular values to their political choices. Based as it is on the premise that all values are necessarily derived from religion, this year’s Democratic convention leaves atheists, agnostics, humanists and other secular voters feeling increasingly isolated and voiceless. By accepting Brown’s offer, the Democratic Party can signal to this constituency that it is serious about being inclusive and tolerant.
In other words, celebrating your religion is “marginalizing” to people who choose not to celebrate religion. Or, as one independent-minded skeptic now reveling in the comfort of faux-discrimination put it, “By reaching out to people of faith, they have shown the back of their hand to those who do not believe.” Exit question one: By that logic, does reaching out to gays or blacks constitute showing the back of one’s hand to straights and whites? And exit question two: Allahpundit, self-hating atheist?
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stupid is is what stupid does. why would you expect intelligence from people who can not grasp the concept of a higher power?
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Terrific.
Allahpundit on August 15, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Well the comments section is off to a good start.
BadgerHawk on August 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM
I just look at this as proof that the leaders of the atheist movement are no more intelligent than the leaders of any other movement, despite what they might think of themselves. I’m not necessarily saying this about you AP, but it is a known fact that a great many atheists believe that their position is the “educated” one.
jimmy the notable on August 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Heretic.
Or atheist neocon?
It is interesting, for me, that some of the leading atheists can be as obnoxious and reactionary as the most doctrinaire believer. Richard Dawkins is a boor. So can Hitchens be on occasion.
If there’s an innate drive/source (as some evolutionary pyschologists argue) to believe in religion – or something greater than oneself – can this not manifest itself among secularists? Obviously, in a different way.
But just as militantly?
SteveMG on August 15, 2008 at 9:09 PM
This thread is going to be awesome.
malan89 on August 15, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Over under?
450?
SteveMG on August 15, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Finally, a chance to use that Big-A logo!
lorien1973 on August 15, 2008 at 9:15 PM
I despise god fearing atheists idiots. They are as tied into their “faith” of non-belief as those idiots from Westboro.
Stephen Macklin on August 15, 2008 at 9:15 PM
but it is a known fact that a great many atheists believe that their position is the “educated” one.
jimmy the notable on August 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM
And they would be wrong. The educated position is WE DON’T KNOW. I have no idea if their is or isn’t a God. I believe there is but I DO NOT KNOW. anyone that says they do is full of crap. I choose to believe because of things I have seen, have experienced, have read, and thought about. But I DO NOT KNOW.
Aethists that want to be included in a relgious service needs to find religion first.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:15 PM
I suppose that those who blindly accept a higher power with no evidence are thus the educated, huh? Sorry – but in the real world, if anyone demanded you accept Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Bigfoot or Space Aliens without any objective proof, those who did would be outcast as ignorant fools or conspiracy theorists. Yet, the whole premise of Christianity is that God MUST be accepted on faith with no proof. And we’re the uneducated? I think not.
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:16 PM
“Aethists that want to be included in a relgious service needs to find religion first.”
For idiots like these, atheism is religion.
Stephen Macklin on August 15, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Yet, the whole premise of Christianity is that God MUST be accepted on faith with no proof.
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Bullcrap.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Sorry – but the educated position is NOT that we don’t know if Santa Claus exists. The educated one is that we KNOW OBJECTIVELY that Santa Claus, as constructed, cannot exist in the real world.
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Stephen Macklin on August 15, 2008 at 9:17 PM
having no religion is not religion. and if those “leaders of a movement” could understand that concept we would be a much better society.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:19 PM
in·ter·faith (ntr-fth)
adj.
Of, relating to, or involving persons of different religious faiths: an interfaith marriage; an interfaith forum.
Of course, Hitchens et al. knows this but just want to be obnoxious.
And are these people admitting that they’re Democrats?
SteveMG on August 15, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM
I know this will be hard for you to understand but God is not Santa Cluas. Most that get passed the age of 10 have figured that out.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Ok – show me where we can prove God to exist.
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Allah,
Perhaps these are the same atheists that answered in the Pew poll you once posted that they believe in Heaven and pray?
terryannonline on August 15, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Clearly Santa != God. But, there’s no more evidence for God than there is Santa Claus. The comparison is apt.
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:22 PM
It’s a very tricky path the dems choose. The whole PC culture in this country has become pathetic, and the dems, by claiming to cater to all the minorities, will always manage to piss someone off.
4shoes on August 15, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Personally, I believe the world is a much better place since Frodo destroyed that ring.
Stephen Macklin on August 15, 2008 at 9:23 PM
My official position is that I have no idea.
But I do believe Big Bad John is just trying to stir the pot.
You can’t prove that God doesn’t exist, but you believe he doesn’t for lack of readily available evidence. Is your position based any less on faith than believers? Not in my opinion.
jimmy the notable on August 15, 2008 at 9:23 PM
So absurd it almost makes me believe in a capricious and sardonic deity.
profitsbeard on August 15, 2008 at 9:24 PM
First there was nothing. Then that shit totally blew up and created everything in the known universe!
Yep, makes perfect sense to me. I can understand why you’d base your entire worldview on that.
jimmy the notable on August 15, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM
further I take it from your reply that you know for a FACT that GOD does not exist and are prepared to prove it without a doubt. since it is impossible to prove you are just as wrong as those that stand up and say beyond a doubt that there is a God. Niether can prove their claims and thus they are both wrong to state that there is or isn’t.
An educated man will see both sides of the arguement and understand how both sides maybe right and except the reasons why both think the way they do and then make a decsion on the most likely outcome while all the while admitting that he may be wrong because the evidence does not support his view with 100% certainity. Once the educated man can do that, he enters the realm of faith. Until then he walks in the realm of fantasy and religions fanticism.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:26 PM
I disagree! There is a lot more evidence for Santa Claus than there is for god.
abrown28 on August 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM
But, there’s no more evidence for God than there is Santa Claus. The comparison is apt.
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Again you show your ignorance. there is tons more evidence for God than Santa Claus. Santa Claus can be proven false without a doubt, God can not. The spirit of St. nick well that’s a different story.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Ok – show me where we can prove God to exist.
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:21 PM
when did you learn to read. I have stated you can not prove God exists nor can you prove he doesn’t. what part of that do you not understand?
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Of course a rational man might say you are asserting the existing of something for which I see no evidence. Show me verifiable evidence of its existence and I will accept it.
Stephen Macklin on August 15, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Why should we have to prove something DOESN’T exist when there is no evidence that it does?
Circling back to the original post, I think the Atheists trying to get involved in the “interfaith service” are completely ridiculous, and agree with Allah on this one. Most atheists today are hamstrung by having NO morals because they lack an objective philosophical foundation.
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:30 PM
As a Catholic, I feel the same way about some (SOME, people) Fundamentalist Evangelicals when they purport to speak for Christianity.
It ain’t easy either way, is it?
JetBoy on August 15, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Personally, I believe the world is a much better place since Frodo destroyed that ring.
Stephen Macklin on August 15, 2008 at 9:23 PM
I would agree with that statement
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Unseen – please, show me objective evidence for the existence of God.
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Two things to never discuss in public: religion and politics. Now we’re discussing religion on a political blog. Exit question: End of the world?
amerpundit on August 15, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Will the snubbed athiests be protesting in Denver with signs saying NO KNOW?
One can either accept a Pre-assembled Meaning, or construct one’s own from the Raw Material of Experience.
Either way, it’s fascinating Stuff.
As a wise guy said:
“Man would rather have the Void for a purpose than be void of purpose.”
profitsbeard on August 15, 2008 at 9:32 PM
But that’s the problem. In religion, God isn’t asking you to prove he exists and then just worship him because of that. That’s lazy. That’s not the point of faith. The idea that his existence is unprovable is what makes faith that much more impressive. Again, I say this as an agnostic.
jimmy the notable on August 15, 2008 at 9:32 PM
I’ve seen Santa Claus and I’ve even seen him perform miracles. Of course you might have missed out on the miracles do to your lack of faith. Santa knows when you’ve been naughty.
God on the other hand has remained invisible no matter how much I searched.
abrown28 on August 15, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Which is why it’s called faith. Because you have to have faith.
amerpundit on August 15, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Do you realize asking for verifiable proof that people of faith call supernatural? Do you need a definition of supernatural?
terryannonline on August 15, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:30 PM
If there was no evidence for God than billions of people would not continue to believe in Him. Just like Santa Claus is grown out of by age 10, God would be also if people did not find enough evidence to continue to believe.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:33 PM
That’s an idiotic statement. The reason to believe in God, for a religious person, is that his existence is unprovable. That makes faith something profound. There’s nothing profound about looking out, seeing nothing, and declaring that that means that nothing is there.
jimmy the notable on August 15, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Unseen – please, show me objective evidence for the existence of God.
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Show me objective evidence for the non existence of God.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:34 PM
I know. That’s why I think its stupid for Christians to try and prove God exists. I think they try to do that because they see atheists attacking them at every turn, and as human nature dictates, they react. Not everyone is a saint.
jimmy the notable on August 15, 2008 at 9:35 PM
terryannonline on August 15, 2008 at 9:33 PM
I realize that exactly. Which is why, when people tell me there is evidence for God, I ask them to show it to me. By the very definition of God, as a supernatural being who must be accepted on faith, there can be no evidence for him.
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Is it the religious democrats or the atheist democrats that like to throw poo? I’d really like a demographic breakdown on poo throwing at the D convention.
lorien1973 on August 15, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Those millions, I take it, that practice “some religion”, are the one’s at church on Christmas and Easter only.
Wheee!
JetBoy on August 15, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Secular Coalition to DNC “UNITY”
Event should include Us.
While its designed to showcase the “diversity”
and “shared values” of the party and achieve a
“spirit of unity”!
Gonna be a free-for-all,ME ME ME at the DNConvention!
Liberal Democratic,F&&%%#$#k it 08 Unity/Denver!
Me hopes,the National guard will be stationed near by,
much like Obama’s crack commando squad he invisions
in Iraq when Obama plans a re-treat from victory in
Irag!
Oh,”spirit of unity”,has Reille written all over this,
she would be the perfect “Unity” for the Lib party!A hum!
canopfor on August 15, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Agreed.
amerpundit on August 15, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Hey, we gotta put up with Dobson.. it’s only fair. heh.
GoodBoy on August 15, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
-Carl Sagan
jimmy the notable on August 15, 2008 at 9:37 PM
God on the other hand has remained invisible no matter how much I searched.
abrown28 on August 15, 2008 at 9:33 PM
That’s funny because God has shown his hand to me many of times in my hours of need. Be it a comforting presence, an unexpected encounter, a door opening that I though closed etc. Maybe you are looking in the wrong places. kind of like looking for Mr. goodbar.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:37 PM
I can show you an example of negative proof:
“X is true because there is no proof that X is false.”
lorien1973 on August 15, 2008 at 9:37 PM
They’re Democrats. Identity politics is what they do. Any group not represented is going to play the victim card, no matter how stupid it is- people with no religious faith offended that they weren’t included in an interfaith dialog???
That said, this thread has proved that athiests are wrong, because it has already gone straight to Hell.
Hollowpoint on August 15, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Who cares as long as it’s done lol.
GoodBoy on August 15, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Objective evidence for the non existence of God? Really?
Like I’ve said time and time again, when someone makes up something out of whole cloth that, by it’s very definition can contain no evidence for its existence, and then tells you to prove it’s false, there’s no reason to do so. The standard of proof is on those telling me something exists that everything in the physical world contradicts
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Geez, guys, lighten up a little. The athiests just want to be able to worship “The One” with the rest of the Democrats…
Kevin71 on August 15, 2008 at 9:38 PM
AP, you crack me up. I’m pretty sure you’re a good guy – as much as any guy can be.
I’m praying for you, dude.
James OK on August 15, 2008 at 9:39 PM
So, coming up with the knowledge tree wasn’t enough for them?
See what happens when one has no faith? You isolate yourself… then burn in hell.
madmonkphotog on August 15, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Well put!
JetBoy on August 15, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Two things to never discuss in public: religion and politics. Now we’re discussing religion on a political blog. Exit question: End of the world?
amerpundit on August 15, 2008 at 9:32 PM
I always thought those where two topics worthy of discussion. add in economics. And you have a perfect Trifecta for a family dinner.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Nah… I suspect it’s because god specifically designed me to roast in hell. I was born incapable of seeing, feeling or believing in god. I’ve tried but I have failed.
abrown28 on August 15, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Finally, somebody brought this up.
Allah, I’m afraid you’re probably suffering from the Beta affliction of too much self-love. ;)
Rhinoboy on August 15, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Any Christian who tells you (or anyone else) that you’re going to hell…for whatever reason…has no idea what Christ was all about.
JetBoy on August 15, 2008 at 9:43 PM
There is no such thing as an agnostic. People who call themselves agnostic are simply believers who know how stupid it is and think by claiming they are open minded they’re smarter than everyone else.
If you lived in a world where the majority of people believed in the Tooth Fairy and wanted their belief in the Tooth Fairy to be a major part of public policy, wouldn’t you want to to be included in that decision making? Just so you can make fun of them, if nothing else?
I hope they tape it because I’d LOVE to hear what Hitchen’s will say. He does a very good job of making religious people look as stupid as they all are.
Jaynie59 on August 15, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Whats next in Denver,how about giving more
groups air time in Unity/08,like the
“coalition of the Beastiality* of the
unknown beast”,or sumpin close to that!
*(canopfor cannot believe he posted that!)haha.
canopfor on August 15, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Like I’ve said time and time again, when someone makes up something out of whole cloth that, by it’s very definition can contain no evidence for its existence, and then tells you to prove it’s false, there’s no reason to do so. The standard of proof is on those telling me something exists that everything in the physical world contradicts
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:38 PM
so Christ didn’t exist. The miricles seen by thousands didn’t happen. All made up out of whole cloth you say. Peter and Paul were imaginary figures, I see. All the miricles throughout the ages have been proven false, All the Saints teachings matter naught. 2,000 years of human experience, first hand knowledge of “special events” etc all made up. One gaint conspiricry to get all the suckers to send in their money.
You really aren’t getting this whole “faith” thing are you. That’s ok it might come to you on your deathbed. no athesits in Foxholes and all that.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:45 PM
To the people that look at their so-called atheism as a religion in and of itself, I have a newsflash:
If your “religion” is atheism, YOU ARE NOT AN ATHEIST!
Jason Coleman on August 15, 2008 at 9:47 PM
I would much rather live my life in peace and freedom according to my judgement and values without any intrusion from the god-botherers or the anti-god-botherers.
Stephen Macklin on August 15, 2008 at 9:47 PM
I don’t know if it’s “verifiable,” but I see God’s work through my life as of late.
1) When I was dating my ex, I had a dream about my wedding. In the dream, I couldn’t see the groom’s face. Fast forward, oh, about a year or so. I am now dating my husband. I have the same dream about my wedding, except this time the groom’s face is that of my now-husband.
2) When we were trying to get pregnant with my son, while we were living in the mobile home, I was having a hard time. The place was a two bedroom place with barely enough room for a baby. A few months after we moved into our current house, I was pregnant with my son.
3) I was laid off from my job in March as a reporter. At that point, I had a feeling that God had something better for me, but wasn’t sure what it was yet. Around the fourth of July, I ran into one of the freelance photographers for the paper that I used to work for. He told me things really went downhill after I left.
I could point out several other examples, but these are the most recent ones.
ScoopPC11 on August 15, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Jaynie59 on August 15, 2008 at 9:43 PM
toothfairy, santa Claus, easter bunny. I think some aethesits relgious education stopped at around the 4th grade from the sound of things. Maybe they should write a book. “All I needed to learn about God I learned in 1st grade” That just shows how educated you all are.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:48 PM
No one’s claiming Jesus, Paul or Peter didn’t exist as historical figures…
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:48 PM
It’s not that they don’t believe, they just wanna be
Kini on August 15, 2008 at 9:50 PM
I might only be polite company is which those topics may be forbidden? If that is the case: Blog Away Mates!
I agree with AP on the point that this identity politics run amok!
Branch Rickey on August 15, 2008 at 9:51 PM
ScoopPC11 on August 15, 2008 at 9:47 PM
1. You dreamed about a wedding twice – the second time your subconscious filled in the face of the guy you were dating.
2. You were stressed about your living situation and the prospect of having child in a mobile home. The stress impacted your fertility. remove the stress and the problem was solved.
3. If you were laid off, as opposed to fired, clearly the paper wasn’t doing well and it’s not surprising that it got worse.
Stephen Macklin on August 15, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Geisler says, “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist.”
davidk on August 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM
I swear usually I’m kinda snarky I admit it…
But seriously this time in trying to think like an atheist I wonder why would They want to organize anything? I mean to me I would be like whats the point?
can anyone give me a non-snarky answer I am really curious.
(or at least an opinion of why you’d want to organize something like this)
(OK OK snark if you want to but really I am just curious AP? please maybe?)
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on August 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM
They are just acting like Democrats: playing power games and twisting words to make “inclusive” mean what it has never meant before as well as sowing discord whenever possible. Let them have their way, It will cause a net loss of votes for He Who they worship.
snaggletoothie on August 15, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Which is why the comparisons of Christianity to all other religions fall short; because Christianity is based on the testimony of witnesses. Whether one believes their presentation is one’s own choice, but it is different then other religions in that important distinction.
Exit ? #2: I think self-hating should be self-loathing at times. Though, not enough evidence to attribute it to religious, or areligious as the case maybe, views of our host.
Spirit of 1776 on August 15, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Stupid: Atheist group tries to stop baptisms in Italy
Maxx on August 15, 2008 at 9:53 PM
No one’s claiming Jesus, Paul or Peter didn’t exist as historical figures…
Big Bad John on August 15, 2008 at 9:48 PM
And all the writitng of the things they did? If one is true it makes the second more likely to be true. Like I said I do Not Know. I believe God exists but I do not know. anyone that thinks they do know for a fact let me know your evidence. For or against. I know somethings are true. I know there is verifable writing accounts of things happening. I know somethings in my own life happened that I never dreamed would happen after prayer and asking for help. I know these things. I do not know if it was just blind luck, if the writings are made up, imblesihed, or 100% true. I do not know I was not there and therefore I will never know for sure.
I BELIEVE they are true. That is faith. I will repeat anyone that says they KNOW is either a liar or uneducated.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Hmm good point.
Kinda like that old yello song…
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on August 15, 2008 at 9:56 PM
But seriously this time in trying to think like an atheist I wonder why would They want to organize anything? I mean to me I would be like whats the point?
WastelandMan on August 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM
They want their lives to matter?
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 9:59 PM
AP, why didn’t you call me when you put this up?
Akzed on August 15, 2008 at 10:00 PM
This is some straight up Douglas Adams stuff right here.
- The Cat
P.S. And ironically.
MirCat on August 15, 2008 at 10:01 PM
But seriously this time in trying to think like an atheist I wonder why would They want to organize anything? I mean to me I would be like whats the point?
WastelandMan on August 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM
I would think it would be awful lonely being disconeected from the great tapestry of life and the joys of living for something more then daily pleasure.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 10:01 PM
there is proof of a Santa Claus.. jeez
HERE
I am going to give you that your example is bad. ya might wanna go to the easter bunny where there is less evidence of an actual person who was alive.
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on August 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Well at least they are admitting that atheism is its own religion.
Cylor on August 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Wasteland man,
If you want to start quoting song lyrics I have to go with Rush:
Stephen Macklin on August 15, 2008 at 10:03 PM
I’m not sure I see the problem. Atheism is a faith like any other, because it implies knowledge that cannot be proven. The idea that there is no higher intelligence is as much a matter of faith and the idea that there is.
I was surprised that it wasn’t the Freedom From Religion Foundation. Those loudmouths usually love the spotlight.
MadisonConservative on August 15, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Well at least they are admitting that atheism is its own religion.
Cylor on August 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM
True….I wonder if that is the first step in reform. Like the AA meeting where you admit you have a problem before you can get help.
unseen on August 15, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Does that mean that Dobson & those of us who love him have to put up with you?
jgapinoy on August 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM
I agree that there are those who are as fervent about their atheism as the most zealous believer is about their god. I call them God Fearing Atheists because they thing cling to their atheism with a fervor that smack of deep unspoken fear that they may be wrong.
I also know that there are those who live their lives form their values and make their judgements based on what they can know.
Come to me with something beyond blind faith and I will listen.
Stephen Macklin on August 15, 2008 at 10:09 PM
“We must fight for a purpose in life, struggling against the passions, means struggling for life’s purpose.
And the purpose of this life is the next life!
If you do not earn the next life, a future joyous life, if you die forever, then life has no purpose.
You cannot reach the joyous future life, if you do not fight against the passions and if you do not fight for the love of others, sacrificing yourself out of love for the others.
Therein lies the purpose of the cross, to carry the cross, to live your life as a cross bearer, so that you’re capable of sacrificing yourself for others.
Man is created after the image of the Son, and we also feel that we are sons.
We cannot consider ourselves the ultimate being…the ultimate reality..
We remember that we too have a father, and the one supreme father is the Father. But we are not born from Him, we are created from Him, but we are made brothers with the Son of the Father.
This is our teaching: the Holy Trinity, and Jesus Christ, Son of God made man!
These are the two fundamental teachings of Christianity.
Without them life is nonsensical.
Only Christianity can give life a purpose!”
Fr. Staniloae
SaintOlaf on August 15, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Sorry Allah, but these types will label you an appeaser. They may be older and actually have jobs but they are not that far removed from the (ir)rational response squad types and tend to encourage them anyway.
aikidoka on August 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Now it’s a party!
JetBoy on August 15, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Only Christianity can give life a purpose!”
Fr. Staniloae
SaintOlaf on August 15, 2008 at 10:09 PM
This is the sort of thing that annoys me almost as much as the Michael Newdow types.
Stephen Macklin on August 15, 2008 at 10:12 PM
How is that annoying?
“If you do not earn the next life, a future joyous life, if you die forever, then life has no purpose.”
You are going to die someday…you do know that right?
SaintOlaf on August 15, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Oh BTW I am not and Atheist. and I don’t have anything against em.
as to proving God…
seems simple enough.
Atheist usually believe in science right?
then they should know (or if not should study) about entropy.
well if you believe that entropy exists then you should believe in God. because the fact that there is any kind of life on earth after you really think about the entire universe in a constant state of entropy then you should wonder how we are here at all. Indeed if you look at what entropy is and how we are surrounded by it at every moment then how do we even exist without some higher power keeping it all in “IMBALANCE” so that we somehow survive?
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on August 15, 2008 at 10:16 PM
“If you don’t believe what I believe, your life has no purpose.”
It doesn’t get more arrogant, narcissistic, and condescending than that.
MadisonConservative on August 15, 2008 at 10:17 PM
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