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Bolton: “The United States fiddled while Georgia burned”; Update: Russian armor 15 miles from Tbilisi

posted at 1:15 pm on August 15, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A hard tonic that mixes only too well, unfortunately, with reports like this one of Bush “writing checks to the Georgians without knowing what he had in the bank,” as one senior U.S. official put it.

As bad as the bloodying of Georgia is, the broader consequences are worse. The United States fiddled while Georgia burned, not even reaching the right rhetorical level in its public statements until three days after the Russian invasion began, and not, at least to date, matching its rhetoric with anything even approximating decisive action. This pattern is the very definition of a paper tiger. Sending Secretary of State Condeleezza Rice to Tbilisi is touching, but hardly reassuring; dispatching humanitarian assistance is nothing more than we would have done if Georgia had been hit by a natural rather than a man-made disaster.

The European Union took the lead in diplomacy, with results approaching Neville Chamberlain’s moment in the spotlight at Munich: a ceasefire that failed to mention Georgia’s territorial integrity, and that all but gave Russia permission to continue its military operations as a “peacekeeping” force anywhere in Georgia. More troubling, over the long term, was that the EU saw its task as being mediator – its favourite role in the world – between Georgia and Russia, rather than an advocate for the victim of aggression…

It profits us little to blame Georgia for “provoking” the Russian attack. Nor is it becoming of the United States to have anonymous officials from its State Department telling reporters, as they did earlier this week, that they had warned Georgia not to provoke Russia. This confrontation is not about who violated the Marquess of Queensbury rules in South Ossetia, where ethnic violence has been a fact of life since the break-up of the Soviet Union on December 31, 1991 – and, indeed, long before. Instead, we are facing the much larger issue of how Russia plans to behave in international affairs for decades to come. Whether Mikhail Saakashvili “provoked” the Russians on August 8, or September 8, or whenever, this rape was well-planned and clearly coming, given Georgia’s manifest unwillingness to be “Finlandized” – the Cold War term for effectively losing your foreign-policy independence.

He doesn’t mention the new missile deal with Poland so there’s less paper in the tiger than there was when he wrote this. Even so, the point about Europe acting as neutral broker rather than western ally is well taken, especially in light of Poland’s prime minister all but declaring yesterday that membership in NATO is worthless. Bolton’s seemingly strange advice, then, for dealing with Russia: NATOize Ukraine and Georgia as soon as possible (and of course elect John McCain). It’ll only work, he adds, if we have a heart-to-heart with Europe first about clarifying their priorities, but I can’t tell if he’s serious about that or not. I’ve always understood NATO to be less an actual military partnership than a means for giving the U.S. political cover in guaranteeing the security of friendly, strategically important nations. See, e.g., Afghanistan, a NATO operation where most of the fighting is done by the U.S., UK, and Canada. The idea that Europe might want to trade its mostly free ride for a genuine confrontation with Russia to rescue a few nations that used to be Soviet anyway seems unlikely to me and doubtless unlikely to Bolton too, which means his NATO suggestion here is just a way of committing U.S. forces to Ukraine’s and Georgia’s defense through a multilateral mechanism that avoids a direct one-to-one challenge to Moscow. Are we already past that point, though, thanks to the missile deal? If you missed it in Headlines earlier, here’s Russia’s reply to Poland. Translation: Watch out you don’t get nuked.

Meanwhile, Rice says Georgia’s signed a new ceasefire and that she’s been assured Russia will sign — although they haven’t yet. According to Fox News, the deal “would require Russia to withdraw its combat forces from Georgia but allow Russian peacekeepers to remain in South Ossetia and conduct limited patrols outside the region.” Exit question: What does “limited patrols” mean?

Update: A lot of people are sending around this old clip of The One explaining how he’s going to disarm America’s enemies with good vibes.

Update: Ah, here’s one of those “limited patrols” now.

There were no reports of hostilities in the eastern part of Georgia on Friday, but a column of at least a dozen armored vehicles moved Friday night from Gori toward Tbilisi, the closest the Russians have come to the Georgian capital.

The company sized unit took up a position in the village of Igoeti, about 15 miles from Tbilisi.

And Georgian troops in the western city of Kutaisi, some 50 miles from the Black Sea coast, said they were bracing as a Russian armored patrol advanced from the west.


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but allow Russian peacekeepers to remain in South Ossetia and conduct limited patrols outside the region.” Exit question: What does “limited patrols” mean?

Wait… WTF is a Russian PeaceKeeper?

That is like saying a Conservative Liberal!

upinak on August 15, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Well said. The Administration dropped the ball, big time, and is continuing the screw up today, by insisting that Georgia sign Sarko’s cease fire. Pathetic! and no different than the Dems and the pansy Euros.

james23 on August 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM

I like Mr. Bolton. He’s a straight shooter.

madmonkphotog on August 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM

I hope….no, no ‘HOPE!’ that Jonny Mac wins & by a landslide & I hope John Bolton replaces Condi under the ‘new patriotism’.

lobosan5 on August 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM

What does “limited patrols” mean?

It means Russian Peacekeeping planes will continue to carry out peacekeeping airstrikes…

pseudonominus on August 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Wait… WTF is a Russian PeaceKeeper?

upinak on August 15, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Condi Rice, doing for Georgia what she did for Israel two years ago–securing defeat.

james23 on August 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM

It means Russian Peacekeeping planes will continue to carry out peacekeeping airstrikes…

pseudonominus on August 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Finally someone answers my questions, I knew that was what Russian Peace Keeping meant.

upinak on August 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Condi Rice, doing for Georgia what she did for Israel two years ago–securing defeat.

james23 on August 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Dude, she ain’t Russian.

upinak on August 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Bolton, the “stache” is a hard ass. A lot of folks over at State hated him with a passion I rarely ever witnessed in government. But sometimes, a hard ass is needed. Rolling along thinking, acting, like nothing bad is gonna happen so long as you “talk to people” is not the diplomacy of a man of quality as the “stache.”

We have dithered away time…and opportunities…and have allowed the Russians to set the agenda. Is opportunity lost?

Interesting take from the BBC this morning.

Less worrying about what we did, or they did, or what they say we did, or who is at fault, and more effort towards rational solutions seems indicated. We need more Bolton’s. Far fewer Christophers, Albrights and Berger’s.

coldwarrior on August 15, 2008 at 1:24 PM

At least the Russian soldiers won’t rape any little girls like the French U.N. troops do.

They might throw the kids under tank treads but they won’t rape them, Putin promised.

Bishop on August 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM

The United States fiddled while Georgia burned, not even reaching the right rhetorical level in its public statements until three days after the Russian invasion began, and not, at least to date, matching its rhetoric with anything even approximating decisive action.

While I don’t blame Bush at all for the Katrina disaster, images do convey quite a lot with people.

I am not sure if there was anything behind the scenes, you know- what actually makes a difference, but on the face of it, it did seem to take days. If within 24 hours of this invasion, people like Secretary Rice, Lieberman and Graham went to Georgia to appear on international television standing with Georgian president, then would Russia continue to plunder Georgia, possibly risk escalation beyond what they were planning?

wise_man on August 15, 2008 at 1:26 PM

wise_man on August 15, 2008 at 1:26 PM

More the Question: Does Putin Care?

upinak on August 15, 2008 at 1:27 PM

I’m waiting, with baited breath, for Condi to unleash the new “Road-Kill Map” for Georgia and Russia. And, a little more whining from her that Russia should leave would certainly help. “International law” requires lots and lots of whining. Condi ought to know that – she’s a Soviet expert, after all.

progressoverpeace on August 15, 2008 at 1:27 PM

In any case, I sure hope that Bolton somehow gets back into a position of authority with the government. He consistently shows the wisdom and experience that is much needed to be there right now. Oh, and this will never happen with president Obama. Think Madeline Albright’s time in North Korea was productive? You haven’t seen anything yet.

wise_man on August 15, 2008 at 1:29 PM

I like Mr. Bolton. He’s a straight shooter.

That is why many do not like him. too much for the average lib to handle, the truth that is.

TroubledMonkey on August 15, 2008 at 1:29 PM

I think the ‘Stache could do a lot of good at Foggy Bottom. Maybe he could be to State what Gates has been to the Pentagon.

My god – reformation of two major government systems in such a short period of time … It’d be enough to spark a little hope in my shriveled black heart.

apollyonbob on August 15, 2008 at 1:30 PM

More the Question: Does Putin Care?
upinak on August 15, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Putin has a plan. We know of several scenarios that can occur that Putin will welcome or tolerate because this does not interfere with his plan. I’d would prefer a reaction from the US that makes Putin step back for a moment, and put him off balance.

Otherwise, Putin’s ambitions will continue to roll along as will his tanks.

wise_man on August 15, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Sometimes I honestly wonder why the assclown Democratic jerkweeds in Congress were so opposed to making John Bolton the U.N. Ambassador. This guy has proven more than once to be a straight-shooting, no nonsense diplomat of the highest order, and I really think the only reason he was opposed was because these same morons who were against him have buddies in the UN that they didn’t want their precious apple carts tipped over.

pilamaye on August 15, 2008 at 1:33 PM

He is the only correct choice for Veep.

- The Cat

MirCat on August 15, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Does Russia even fear the US? What I mean is, if Putin went into Poland, who would stop him? The french wouldn’t–they did squat for Poland in WWII. The Germans? I highly doubt the Polish would want German tanks on their soil at any point. And I don’t see Germans wanting to go to war over Poland. Sure, it’s NATO, but the Polish minister was correct: they’d take weeks to get there. Too late.

The Brits might, but Brown has proven to be a first class wimp. That leaves us. Would we go to war? I don’t know. I really don’t. I think so, but with what?

I could see this happening quite easily: Russia decides to invade Poland to protect Iran. What will happen? His troops will fight Polish ones, not sure who wins. We have to cancel our attack on Iran to rush support to Poland. We get there, Putin says, Sorry! I quit! Status quo, since everyone would then pressure us to stop fighting. He invaded, got to kill some Polish troops, protected his ally Iran, and pretty much proved to the world he can do whatever he wants, since what punishment would he get? The US would stop fighting whenever Putin decides it is too much. It’s like Germany saying “Oh, drat. We didn’t push your troops back off of Omaha beach, so we quit. Please don’t fight us anymore. And Churchill saying, Sure! Leaving an enclave of Allied troops in Normandy and everything else under Nazi rule.

It’s the same thing here. Who’s gonna stop it?

Vanceone on August 15, 2008 at 1:34 PM

VP isn’t enough power and authority for Bolton. Secretary of State would be much better, in my opinion.

wise_man on August 15, 2008 at 1:39 PM

Update: A lot of people are sending around this old clip of The One explaining how he’s going to disarm America’s enemies with good vibes.

Or body surfing.

Topsecretk9 on August 15, 2008 at 1:39 PM

Vanceone on August 15, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Well said, very astute, quite probable.

ThackerAgency on August 15, 2008 at 1:40 PM

This little episode reminds me that Bush’s largest failure since 9/11 has been his utter inability to purge State and the CIA of the PC 5th column paper pushers that endanger this nation more than our enemies do.

elduende on August 15, 2008 at 1:41 PM

He is the only correct choice for Veep.

- The Cat

MirCat on August 15, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Good idea, hadn’t thought about that. It would make me feel safer for sure.

ThackerAgency on August 15, 2008 at 1:42 PM

I thought we weren’t supposed to lie this guy…I guess I was misinformed.

beefytee on August 15, 2008 at 1:46 PM

How many empty buzzwords can you cram into one commercial?

Are the Libs really so stupid as to buy into this?

GET YOUR FRIENDS OUT TO VOTE!

marklmail on August 15, 2008 at 1:47 PM

I think it’s time the leaders of all english speaking countries got together and figured out how we are going to control the world. Things seem to be spiraling out of control. It may be time to get over the stupid idea that it’s not civilized to assasinate whomever may be in control of a country at any given time. Maybe these strongmen wouldn’t be so strong anymore if they new a stinger missile might fly in their window at any time. Just as they control their countries through fear and intimidation, maybe it’s time for the good guys to use their own tactics with them.

peacenprosperity on August 15, 2008 at 1:51 PM

elduende on August 15, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Bush likes the way things are at State. He’s a globalist. It seems to be a Bush family problem.

progressoverpeace on August 15, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Nor is it becoming of the United States to have anonymous officials from its State Department telling reporters, as they did earlier this week, that they had warned Georgia not to provoke Russia.

Particularly as the anonymous officials from the State Department are probably lying.

He doesn’t mention the new missile deal with Poland so there’s less paper in the tiger than there was when he wrote this.

Like putting sun tan lotion on one of your kids while leaving another in a burning building. What kind of a parent would do that?

MB4 on August 15, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Putin understands hard power and has sized us and Europe up well. all he has to say is “make me” because he knows we wont.

Can we appoint Cheney President now? the larger problem is of course our sissified culture and media which hamstrings our leaders from doing what needs to be done until its too late.

jp on August 15, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Bolton is spot on.

I especially liked this point he made concerning Nato. What exactly is the purpose of Nato then, for a situation such as this? As he said, Turkey is on the border of Georgia and they were strangely quiet thru this.

becki51758 on August 15, 2008 at 1:56 PM

elduende on August 15, 2008 at 1:41 PM –

I hope is is just an oversight, your not lumping it in with State and the Agency…but we simply must get rid of the ODNI. Totally worthless, extremely large speedbump laid out on all avenues of real intelligence collection and covert action that has robbed line officers and field professionals to man desks in offices all across DC and Northern Virginia, at great expense, with some pretty p*ss-poor results.

We need more Boltons…not bureaucrats.

coldwarrior on August 15, 2008 at 1:59 PM

We and the EU and other free sovereign nations MUST present a united front to Russia and be prepared to back it up with whatever means necessary. This has been and will always be the only way to stop countries with Russia’s aims and ambitions. Have we learned nothing from history?

jeanie on August 15, 2008 at 2:02 PM

That’s it. Send a ’stache/Chuck Norris combo to Russia. After an angry glare and a roundhouse kick or two what’s left of the country will be more than happy to play nice from now to eternity.

Darth Executor on August 15, 2008 at 2:02 PM

a column of at least a dozen armored vehicles moved Friday night from Gori toward Tbilisi, the closest the Russians have come to the Georgian capital.

Not to worry. Those Russian armored vehicles will soon be destroyed by some of the many anti-tank missiles that George W. Bush made sure that the 2,000 Georgian troops who were helping him in Iraq were given to bring back home with them to help defend their homeland.

MB4 on August 15, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Don’t bother the Obamassiah with this. He’s still in Hawaii showing off his buffness and wowing the ladies.

Even the Brits can see it.

SilverStar830 on August 15, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Hindsight is always 20/20. This is like blaming Bush for hearing about the twin-towers getting hit and not jumping into his Batmobile.

Russia’s behavior was well planned. Instead of their old Nazi ally’s tactic of putting German prisoners in Polish uniforms and shooting them as invading Germany to start WWII, Russia claims their sensitivities were in a bunch over what the Georgians were doing to their drunken buds over in the next county (near away).

Part of Russia’s plan was the surprise attack on Georgia. Nobody moves that much armor without advance notice. The USA couldn’t have planned on what happened, and what is now being played out in slow motion. The military response after 9/11 took time and planning, but the President made good on his promise. Let’s give him a chance to sort this out without claiming he should have known what Russia’s intention really were. Nobody on earth seems to know except the Russians.

This country whined and screamed about taking it to radical Islam, now they want the President to commit military action Georgia? Make up your mind! I like Bolton, but he’s a bit hysterical on this one.

Hening on August 15, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Bolton’s sure good at talking big…and that’s about it.

Looks like he’s the paper tiger.

SaintOlaf on August 15, 2008 at 2:04 PM

“The Turks haven’t been helpful,” said a State Department official. “They are being sluggish and unresponsive.”

Tell them there are some naked teenage boys coming over after the treaty is signed, that should get them moving.

Old Greek proverb “Never trust a Turk”.

Hening on August 15, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Moral of the story: Don’t poke bears with sticks.

paul006 on August 15, 2008 at 2:09 PM

I don’t know if Bolton would be better as VP or Secretary of State but he should end up as one or the other.

duff65 on August 15, 2008 at 2:09 PM

It is sad that the administration still seems so convinced that France, which has been a Russian ally much more than a US ally for decades, is a truly neutral player here.

On the positive side, it appears that Poland has no such illusions any more. Yeah, Sarkozy’s better than Chirac. Gonnorhea is better than herpes, but that doesn’t mean I’d like to have it.

It’s also pretty clear that McCain has a clearer image of Russia and France than Bush and Rice do…and that’s a strong point in his favor. Obama still wonders where the pictures of Russian tanks storming the CNN studios are.

funky chicken on August 15, 2008 at 2:10 PM

Bolton’s sure good at talking big…and that’s about it.

Looks like he’s the paper tiger.

SaintOlaf on August 15, 2008 at 2:04 PM

What is he to do? He is in charge of nothing. Dems wanted him out and he is out because he is the best America has and fights the good fights, so Dems wanted him out of the way.

Bush recess appointed him to the UN, but you can only do that twice.

Sorry to say it, but I have never been less proud to be an American. We dont do shit to help the Georgians. We need to drop a few bombs on those columns. Show some burning Russians and see how Putin likes it.

WoosterOh on August 15, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Do the Georgians not have goddamn antitank rocket launchers? Seems like it would be VERY easy to have a few dozen soldiers hiding in the hills waiting for such excursions to roll their way.

muyoso on August 15, 2008 at 2:11 PM

It is sad that the administration still seems so convinced that France, which has been a Russian ally much more than a US ally for decades, is a truly neutral player here.

Russian tanks, in the neighborhood,
Who ya’ gonna call?

Surrender Merchants!!!!!!

Hening on August 15, 2008 at 2:12 PM

What was it? Day three? Day four when the Russians reached Gori, and then stopped? Why did they stop? They had it won, they had it all, routed the Georgian military, secured the major transportation hub, and within reach of the capital city. Why did they stop?

Watching the events of the last few days it becomes obvious. Putin has shown the words of the United States are hollow, that the US can not project real military force into the region and Russian can. It was all over by day four.

Russia has the Georgian government in a death grip, and it will fall. All the speeches from western governments mean nothing.

Starlink (1:24) nails it.

rockhauler on August 15, 2008 at 2:12 PM

On another note, you look at some of the video come out? Soldiers with no shirts on, bandannas on their heads.

What a bunch of ragtag piece of crap army they are. Ten they rob banks, nice touch.

Thugs, not an army.

WoosterOh on August 15, 2008 at 2:13 PM

“The Turks haven’t been helpful,” said a State Department official. “They are being sluggish and unresponsive.”

Shocka! eyeroll. Jeez, I’m a housewife and I could have told them that the Turks would be less than helpful. shakes head…just when it looks like the 7 years of on the job training had finally paid off for Bush, we have his administration still confused about France and Turkey.

That may be the strongest argument against Obama, actually. Can we really afford to elect another unexperienced, unprepared guy to POTUS? Two in a row? shudder

funky chicken on August 15, 2008 at 2:14 PM

The United States fiddled while Georgia burned, not even reaching the right rhetorical level in its public statements until three days after the Russian invasion began

And only playing catch up to McCain, who has cojones Bush can only dream of.

rightwingprof on August 15, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Russia has the Georgian government in a death grip, and it will fall.

Government in Exile.

It is pretty clear that Bush has drawn a line in the sand on this one.

pseudonominus on August 15, 2008 at 2:17 PM

SaintOlaf on August 15, 2008 at 2:04 PM

I think ollie has finally revealed himself/herself for what it really is. It’s not just a religious bigot troll, my guess is that ollie is a huffpo troll, probably has an office over there. ollie comes over here thinking that it will find religious bigots, when it doesn’t it’s too stupid to rethink it’s prejudices. Now it shows either ignorance of what Bolton has always stood for and gone through because of his beliefs or is a knee jerk leftist. A true conservative wouldn’t be ignorant of Bolton’s histroy hence ollie reveals itself as a knee jerk leftist.

peacenprosperity on August 15, 2008 at 2:17 PM

I sure hope McCain can bring Bolton back into State. They are a lot of like when it comes to foreign policy. Saakashvili also reminds me a lot of Bolton.

It profits us little to blame Georgia for “provoking” the Russian attack. Nor is it becoming of the United States to have anonymous officials from its State Department telling reporters, as they did earlier this week, that they had warned Georgia not to provoke Russia.

I don’t doubt that there are State employees that do and would say that Georgia provoked Russia, just as we had one CIA that comes to mind who wrote a book under Anonymous who was saying that we had provoked OBL, but I do find that phrasing strange because it’s not in line with what a reporter asked Rice at her press conference before she left for Georgia. What the reporter asked her was is it true that she had told Georgia not to respond to provocation and Georgia had ignored her and was it true that she had delegated that message to a junior DoS officer.

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Do the Georgians not have goddamn antitank rocket launchers? Seems like it would be VERY easy to have a few dozen soldiers hiding in the hills waiting for such excursions to roll their way.

muyoso on August 15, 2008 at 2:11 PM

I just told you not to worry muyoso!

Those Russian armored vehicles will all soon be destroyed by some of the many anti-tank missiles that a grateful George W. Bush made sure that the 2,000 Georgian troops who were helping him in Iraq were given to bring back home with them to help defend their homeland. I mean you don’t think that Bush would betray them, do you?

MB4 on August 15, 2008 at 2:21 PM

How could the leader of Georgia done something so reckless, and frankly foolish? He doesn’t sound like such a peach of a guy. This article from the Weekly Standard back in 2004 is an excellent read.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Protected/Articles/000/000/004/104ygtvi.asp?pg=1

I was in Georgia last month, and it is still colorful and still difficult, a poor country, poorer even than Haiti, with a new president but the same culture–one that cultivates a swaggering, prideful masculinity in its leaders who, since the fall of the Soviet Union, have been lionized by the U.S. foreign policy establishment and the Western press but who just as quickly seem to morph from lion to demon.

A case in point is Eduard Shevardnadze, once the Soviet foreign minister, who was for more than a dozen years invariably described in the West as a stalwart friend of democracy and a liberal, honest fellow. Six months ago, he was ousted as the president of Georgia in a coup led by his young protégé, Mikhail Saakashvili, who is glorying in the same lavish treatment from the State Department and the media. They now paint him as honest, liberal, and democratic, while Shevardnadze is Bronx-cheered as corrupt and murderous, a brute who was forced from office by what Saakashvili (with an unerring eye for the sixties-sentimentality of the Western media) dubs “The Rose Revolution.”

Late last fall, Saakashvili led thousands of “spontaneous” demonstrators, bused in from around Tbilisi, brandishing flowers as they invaded the president’s palace. This was during the freezing Georgian winter when any roses not black and brittle had to be flown or trucked in, courtesy of the same bankroll that funded the fleet of rented buses for demonstrators: that of George Soros, the Hungarian-born billionaire and egotist. A former member of the Georgian Parliament said that in the three months before the “Rose Revolution,” “from August through October, Soros spent $42 million ramping-up for the overthrow of Shevardnadze.”

Soros has publicly committed himself to funding the “democratic” presidency of Mikhail Saakashvili, just as he has publicly committed himself and his money to the destruction of the presidency of George W. Bush, whom he has compared to Yasser Arafat and Hitler. Soros and the United Nations are paying the wages of all of Saakashvili’s top government officials–ministers, deputies, the road police, and others–on the grounds that this will keep them from stealing. As if bribery and corruption were simply a problem of immediate financial need, not greed.

perhaps Soros would deserve some credit–except for the undeniable fact that, ever since his anointing in a crooked election in January, Saakashvili has sounded more like a raging nationalist and authoritarian thug than a democrat strewing rose petals.

“It is democracy in a china shop,” the New York Times reported on March 28. “A growing number of critics, though, say that the new president is exploiting his popularity to cut legal corners, violate human rights and silence opposition views.” “Saakashvili’s all-powerful party is getting into the habit of ignoring the law, or changing it, when it does not suit their purpose,” reported Agence France-Presse.

Saakashvili, now 36, was an only child with an absent father. He was raised by a divorced, domineering, and ambitious mother, and his tough-talking Dutch-born wife, Sandra Roelof, appears to follow in that tradition. (Saakashvili married her in lower Manhattan in 1993 while he was attending Columbia for a year on a U.S. taxpayer-funded scholarship.) In February, Roelof gave an interview to a Dutch magazine for a breathless Vanity Fair-like profile headlined “Sandra Roelof’s Fairy Tale: From a Zeeuws Girl to First Lady of Georgia.” Roelof seems to have taken to Georgian politics:

Georgia has produced strong leaders. Stalin, Beria, Gamsakhurdia. Even Shevardnadze, before he got addicted to power. They looked beyond Georgia. My husband does the same; he fits in the tradition. This country needs a strong hand. It is incredibly important that respect for authority returns. That laws are less frequently broken, that people simply pay their bills for once. There is hardly a sense of responsibility here. . . . I think my husband is the right person to frighten people. That is not to say it is immediately fascism or something. Should he develop extremist traits he will be alerted to that. All eyes are looking at us now.

What a roll call! Stalin’s birthplace in Gori, Georgia, close to the Saakashvilis’ home in Tbilisi, is still maintained as a public museum, though the crimes of the man against his own people, particularly native Georgians, are beyond repeating, and Sandra Roelof’s citation appears demented. One would think Stalin’s house would have been burned down long ago, the ashes scattered to the cold Caucasus winds–and I’m not speaking just metaphorically. If Saakashvili wants to really make some democratic bones, he might drive to Gori and light the ceremonial match.

The second man to whom Sandra Roelof compares her husband is Lavrenty Beria, Stalin’s secret police czar and the Georgian-born father of the Soviet Gulag. Beria, a notorious pedophile, was responsible for the deaths of millions of Soviet citizens. He was executed on Khrushchev’s order after Stalin’s death in 1953.

Next on Roelof’s list is Zviad Gamsakhurdia, the first elected president of Georgia, a rabid nationalist completely intolerant of any opposition. He was deposed in a coup in the early ’90s and later shot himself in the head (or was murdered). Two weeks ago Saakashvili announced that 2004 would be “the year of Gamsakhurdia,” whatever that is intended to mean.

funky chicken on August 15, 2008 at 2:23 PM

This confrontation is not about who violated the Marquess of Queensbury rules in South Ossetia, where ethnic violence has been a fact of life since the break-up of the Soviet Union on December 31, 1991 – and, indeed, long before. Instead, we are facing the much larger issue of how Russia plans to behave in international affairs for decades to come.

Facts are irrelevant. What’s important is ideological biases.

freevillage on August 15, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Saakashvili also reminds me a lot of Bolton.

ah, no

funky chicken on August 15, 2008 at 2:24 PM

and within reach of the capital city. Why did they stop?

Because a series of events caused Putin to blink. If not for that, Putin would have taken the capital and Georgia would be lost.

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 2:25 PM

ah, no
funky chicken on August 15, 2008 at 2:24 PM

LOL.. ah.. yeah..

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Do the Georgians not have goddamn antitank rocket launchers? Seems like it would be VERY easy to have a few dozen soldiers hiding in the hills waiting for such excursions to roll their way.

muyoso on August 15, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Speaking from a position of strong ignorance about the terrain of Geogia the majority of the pictures I’ve seen have been in flat territory. I believe that the majority of anti-tank weapons the Georgians have are basically close range weapons and not very many people will go on a suicide mission against armor. The larger anti-tank weapons are subject to Russian air superiority. If someone more knowledgeable than me wants to correct or expand on this please fell free to enlighten me.

TooTall on August 15, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Do the Georgians not have goddamn antitank rocket launchers?

Actually the Georgians did manage to knock out a few Russian tanks with anti-tank missiles…this despite their Reactive Armor protection package, and the Russians are sure those missiles were supplied by the Israeis. They think this because they have great faith in RA and think dual warhead (the first to explode the reactive armor, the second to puncture the actual tank armor) missiles must have been used…or else how to explain the tank losses? So now they are now furious at the Israelis as well.

But besides the tanks, most of the other armored vehicles: BTRs, BMDs, etc., have paper-thin armor, vulnerable to a wide range of weapons. And, most of these road patrols, as well as the main advancements, have been spearheaded by this light armor, because they are faster and more mechanically reliable than tanks. So, if the Georgians wanted to decimate suce a force by ambush they could, but what would that get them? It might push the Russians into occupying the rest of the country as punishment.

Now is the time for Georgian forces to dis-engage and lie low.

pseudonominus on August 15, 2008 at 2:28 PM

It seems to be becoming increasingly obvious that we are witnessing a momentous event of history, a sea change not unlike 9/11 when only too late, what some had been warning us about, what we all might have better seen coming all along becomes suddenly obvious and when we understand, the world has changed and nothing will be quite the same again. Its ironic indeed, that, as noted above in Hot Air’s headlines, at a moment of such intense History, that FUKUYAMA of all people, would come out with his, “I Told You So ” editorial on the Iraq war.” Poor man, his signature work shall forever symbolize the hubris of the 90s, shall for ever be used as fodder at such moments such as this, almost a joke, as in McCain’s comments a day or so ago, opening with the obvious statement, that no, “History did not end in 1990.”

Nyog_of_the_Bog on August 15, 2008 at 2:30 PM

pseudonominus (2:17) RE: Government in exile

Doesn’t that mean sitting at the gaming tables at Monte-Carlo or were you thinking Las Vegas? Or is it a condo in Geneva?

Seriously, what does ‘government in exile’ really mean? going around the planet meeting with world leaders like the Dali-Lama?

rockhauler on August 15, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Saakashvili also reminds me a lot of Bolton.

ah, no

funky chicken on August 15, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Saakashvili kind of reminds me of Edvard Benes.

MB4 on August 15, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Its ironic indeed, that, as noted above in Hot Air’s headlines, at a moment of such intense History, that FUKUYAMA of all people, would come out with his, “I Told

You So ” editorial on the Iraq war.” Poor man, his signature work shall forever symbolize the hubris of the 90s, shall for ever be used as fodder at such moments such as this, almost a joke, as in McCain’s comments a day or so ago, opening with the obvious statement, that no, “History did not end in 1990.”

Nyog_of_the_Bog on August 15, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Yep. Fuk looks like a total maroon right now. The “end of history” crap was what supposedly justified slashing our military throughout the 90s. Clinton balanced the budget by doing that….and Bush didn’t work to increase active duty troop levels until after the GOP lost congress in 2006. It’s one reason I like Rudy G so much. His commencement address at The Citadel is just a must read. I’ve put the link in lots of posts lately as an attempt to explain to folks why we simply don’t have our cold war force structure, and therefore can’t just go storming in to Georgia, or twist Turkey’s arm, or many other things.

http://externalaffairs.citadel.edu/giuliani_commencementaddress07

It’s kinda long, but you can listen to the audio if you don’t want to read it all.

funky chicken on August 15, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Do the Georgians not have goddamn antitank rocket launchers? Seems like it would be VERY easy to have a few dozen soldiers hiding in the hills waiting for such excursions to roll their way.

muyoso on August 15, 2008 at 2:11 PM

The Georgians have been told that any resistance will be met with total occupation of their country. This is a medieval strategy where the more powerful force gets you boxed into your castle and runs wild over your land to humiliate you. This is also a symbolic gesture flying in the face of the USA, and an example for all the other neighbors that have dreams of becoming part of the free west. I’m guessing that these are resistance troops from South Ossetia that are on camera, and reserve armor units spending their drill time dismantling Georgia. It’s like a scene from the Hundred Years War except with armor.

Hening on August 15, 2008 at 2:40 PM

peacenprosperity on August 15, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Maybe you can explain how Bolton is not all talk?

Tell me about how he has stopped Iran’s nuke program…

Tell me about how he has stopped russian expansionism…

Tell me about how he has stopped a muslim kosovo independent terror state…

Wait, he hasn’t done any of that….maybe it’s because he’s all talk no substance.

SaintOlaf on August 15, 2008 at 2:41 PM

texas gal, that’s a huge insult to Bolton. Really, read the Weekly Standard article I posted. It’s from 2004, and is certainly not some kind of wacky neo-KGB propaganda piece.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Protected/Articles/000/000/004/104ygtvi.asp?pg=1

funky chicken on August 15, 2008 at 2:42 PM

stuck..

upinak on August 15, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Wait… WTF is a Russian PeaceKeeper?

That is like saying a Conservative Liberal!

upinak on August 15, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Actually, it’s a liberal liberal with a big gun.

Aylios on August 15, 2008 at 2:46 PM

short snip of the Rudy speech:

At one time, there was a romantic thought that America could be isolated. Isolation is no longer an option in the age of globalization. Isolation is no longer an option when there are people in various parts of the world planning to harm you. Conditions for our fighting men and women have improved in recent years. President Bush has increased our military strength and further increases are planned. But we need to do more, much more. We need a force that can both deter aggression and meet many challenges that might come our way. America must increase the size of our armed forces. In particular we have to start with the Army which has been cut the most and is under the greatest stress. I believe America needs at least 10 new combat brigades above the additions that are already proposed by President Bush and are already in the budget. This commitment would offer reinforcements where they’re needed most—deter others from calculation that America may be stretched too thin. It would be a terrible mistake for anyone to calculate that, but let’s make sure they don’t by increasing the size of our force and allow the United States greater flexibility to win the wider war of the terrorists against us.

In the past when America’s population was ten of millions smaller than we are now, we easily maintained a larger Army and a larger armed forces than we have right now. A volunteer professional army of citizens is our greatest source of strength. And I believe that the 9-11 generation just like you have will step forward to meet this challenge. We must also look at the level of expansion that’s necessary for our Navy, for our Marines, for our Coast Guard, and for our Air Force. They have to have the support, and they have to be at the levels necessary to deal with the challenges that we have today, and they need to be modernized, and they need training to accept our new responsibilities while we increase the size of our armed forces.

Rudy really, really gets it. He’d be a great sec def or sec state. At this point, I think he’d be wasted at attorney general.

funky chicken on August 15, 2008 at 2:47 PM

SaintOlaf on August 15, 2008 at 2:41 PM

He knows the difference between right and wrong and stands for the things you mentioned. What is he supposed to do, commandeer our armed forces and storm into places himself?

He needed the support of our government to accomplish anything and he was constantly handcuffed by liberals.

Why is Bolton hated so much by them? Anytime anyone stands for goodness and justice, liberals will cry foul and declare jihad.

Grafted on August 15, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Maybe you can explain how Bolton is not all talk?

Hey, knee jerk leftist. Bolton is a career diplomat. That’s what they do, talk. And Bolton has been continuously demonized for talking sense by you and your fellow leftists. Go change your screen name, you’ve been outed.

And say hello to that bimbo, arianna.

peacenprosperity on August 15, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 2:25 PM

RE: Why did they stop?

I presumed it was a logistics ‘pause’ to resupply and regroup. Then the tough talk from Bush, McCain, Rice, and (one would hope) Sarkozy. It looked like the tough talk was causing Putin to reconsider his options.

Then we got to read the terms of the cease fire, and see that not only did Russia NOT withdraw, but they moved closer to the capital city.

rockhauler on August 15, 2008 at 2:54 PM

“The United States fiddled schemed while and Georgia got burned”, then we left them hanging in the wind.

Chimpy on August 15, 2008 at 2:55 PM

texas gal, that’s a huge insult to Bolton. Really, read the Weekly Standard article I posted. It’s from 2004, and is certainly not some kind of wacky neo-KGB propaganda piece.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Protected/Articles/000/000/004/104ygtvi.asp?pg=1

funky chicken on August 15, 2008 at 2:42 PM

funky chicken, I think I’ve said before that I understand Soros’ involvement in the Rose Revolution and the report of his funding. However, I do not believe that Saakashvili is in his pocket nor his puppet. If he was, then common sense tells me that Saakashvili would not have moved towards the USA as he has done, sent troops to support the Iraq war that Soros is staunchly against, nor attempted to enter NATO which Soros no doubt thinks should be disbanded. Logic doesn’t compute.

And you know what? This is America and I am allowed my opinion just as you are allowed your opinion.

BTW, I think Bolton would be pleased with the comparison. They both got the guts to stand up to a bully and stick it right in their face.

Saakashvili kind of reminds me of Edvard Benes.

MB4 on August 15, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Well, I was referring to his temperment, hopefully, not his fate.

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM

We need to give the Georgians anti-armor missiles, lots of anti-armor missiles.

Tim Burton on August 15, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Then we got to read the terms of the cease fire, and see that not only did Russia NOT withdraw, but they moved closer to the capital city.

rockhauler on August 15, 2008 at 2:54 PM

I watched the press conference this morning between Rice and Saakashvili from Georgia and the terms of the TEMPORARY cease fire were discussed by those who understand what it means rather than what is reported and interpreted in the media and editorial opinion pieces.

And that column of Russian tanks has been sitting outside the capital since last FRIDAY, a week ago. And haven’t moved. Which is important, realizing that even though there are skirmishes in other parts of the country right now, if the capital falls, so does Georgia.

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM

My correction: However, I do not believe that Saakashvili is NOT in his pocket nor his puppet. If he was, then common sense tells me that Saakashvili would not have moved towards the USA as he has done, sent troops to support the Iraq war that Soros is staunchly against, nor attempted to enter NATO which Soros no doubt thinks should be disbanded. Logic doesn’t compute.

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 3:05 PM

FunkyChicken
Texas Gal

Re: George Soros involvement in Georgian election.

When I read stuff like that it makes me really angry that we permit ‘agents of foreign governments’ to influence our elections by their propaganda, and protect them from any investigation of their activities. Even worse we have granted US citizenship to Soros.

Watching the democrat left rail against the robber barons of the 19th century, big corporations of the 20th century, and demonize ‘big oil’ and ‘big pharma’, it just baffles me that they lionize someone like Soros.

What are we doing to ourselves?(itsa rhetorical question) What we should be doing is ‘trust but verify’. Unfortunately, we’re not doing the ‘verify’ part.

rockhauler on August 15, 2008 at 3:12 PM

My correction: However, I do not believe that Saakashvili is NOT in his pocket nor his puppet. If he was, then common sense tells me that Saakashvili would not have moved towards the USA as he has done, sent troops to support the Iraq war that Soros is staunchly against, nor attempted to enter NATO which Soros no doubt thinks should be disbanded. Logic doesn’t compute.

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Scratch that, I reread what I had first written and see I made my point correctly.

If Saakashvili is a Soros’ puppet then Soros must be really pissed about his relationship with the Bush administration, the Iraq war and attempting to get into NATO.

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 3:13 PM

rockhauler on August 15, 2008 at 3:12 PM

I agree! They .. the king-makers… cheat the people out of their voice and in America we already have people who are just plain too stupid to be allowed to vote.

If there is one thing I’ve come to realize over the years thru my relationships with Eastern European friends, voting is too important to allow someone to tell you what you should think.

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 3:18 PM

Texas Gal (3:03) RE: moved — not moved.

Ok, but my original point remains. That Russian armor is sitting right where Putin wants it, and it is not pulling back.

Has the Russian government backed down on its demand for a new government in Georgia? Has Europe/US found a lever to move Putin back to the original boundaries?

rockhauler on August 15, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Hey, knee jerk leftist.
peacenprosperity on August 15, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Just shows how little you pay attention.

Is this how you come to positions on all issues?

Quick glance…no thought necessary.

I’m surprised you’re not an obamite.

SaintOlaf on August 15, 2008 at 3:20 PM

I presumed it was a logistics ‘pause’ to resupply and regroup
–rochauler

No. Tibilisi is only 15 miles from the Russian front line.

pseudonominus on August 15, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Texas Gal (3:03) RE: moved — not moved.

Ok, but my original point remains. That Russian armor is sitting right where Putin wants it, and it is not pulling back.

Has the Russian government backed down on its demand for a new government in Georgia? Has Europe/US found a lever to move Putin back to the original boundaries?

rockhauler on August 15, 2008 at 3:20 PM

My understanding from the press conf which will hopefully be online somewhere soon, is that Russia now needs to sign this new temporary agreement that Georgia has agreed to. Finland has agreed to arrange for international observers to be in place in maybe a few days. Then international peacekeepers are to come to Georgia. (I think Italy has made some noise about volunteers) Rice says that she has a verbal agreement from Russia to this agreement and when it is signed they should prepare to withdraw from Georgia. So it seems to me that Russia has had to stop its advance on the capital. This new agreement returns back to the positions of Aug 6th under a previous UN resolution and the reason Rice is using that previous UN resolution is because it preserves the Georgia boundaries. And she reiterated that the US stands behind the democratically elected gov of Georgia.

I hope the video of the presser comes online because it is very passionate and full of information about how we got to this point.

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Maybe you can explain how Bolton is not all talk?

Tell me about how he has stopped Iran’s nuke program…

Tell me about how he has stopped russian expansionism…

Tell me about how he has stopped a muslim kosovo independent terror state…

Wait, he hasn’t done any of that….maybe it’s because he’s all talk no substance.

SaintOlaf on August 15, 2008 at 2:41 PM

If he’d done all that he wouldn’t just be a great man, he’d be God.

jl on August 15, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Texas Gal (3:34) That would be a good outcome.

Would you point me toward the video should it appear online?
Or clue me in on where to look for it?

rockhauler on August 15, 2008 at 3:43 PM

America must increase the size of our armed forces. In particular we have to start with the Army which has been cut the most and is under the greatest stress. I believe America needs at least 10 new combat brigades above the additions that are already proposed by President Bush and are already in the budget. This commitment would offer reinforcements where they’re needed most—deter others from calculation that America may be stretched too thin.

Problem is, where are all the extra volunteers going to come from particularly with Iraq and Afghanistan dragging on? There is not going to be a draft.

MB4 on August 15, 2008 at 3:47 PM

We need to give the Georgians anti-armor missiles, lots of anti-armor missiles.

Tim Burton on August 15, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Apparently Bush thinks that his good wishes are enough.

MB4 on August 15, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Texas Gal (3:34) That would be a good outcome.

Would you point me toward the video should it appear online?
Or clue me in on where to look for it?

rockhauler on August 15, 2008 at 3:43 PM

If I find it somewhere before someone else does, I’ll post a link.

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Baldilocks has a link pointing to fox. haven’t looked at it yet.
It’s the press conference with Sec. Rice in Tblisi, right?

rockhauler on August 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Yes, it was Rice in Tblisi. I’ll go look too!

Texas Gal on August 15, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Why won’t Bolton throw us a fricken’ bone and run for President? I’d walk on my hands over glass shards to vote for that guy.

TheUnrepentantGeek on August 15, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Drat, can’t get the video to play here. Looks like they’re news reports about the press conference, perhaps with clips, and not the press conference itself.

Cavuto (Fox) has the Pres of Georgia coming up, with some good background stuff to set up the interview.

rockhauler on August 15, 2008 at 4:08 PM

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