you have never criticized him.

Yes I have.

wise_man on August 15, 2008 at 11:13 AM

you just wasted a lot of bandwidth to say your voting for mccain no matter what he says or does between now and the election. your a lemming, try to deny it but you are here defending mccain on his every utterance. you have never criticized him. but you have some kinda psyop going in real life to pull mccain over to the conservative side? but any of that is too top secret to mention?? what a tool

Instead, the march of “We have to support McCain over Obama posts” continued.

Therefor I see that there is only one reasonable answer. You don’t care what policies the Republican Candidate puts forward, so long as he’s a Republican. If that means he destroys the economy with a carbon cap and trade plan, so be it. If that means he destroys the Republican Party in the process, better yet.

Thus my contention that those who support McCain can’t possibly be Conservatives is essentially demonstrated.

Game. Set. Match. Snake.

I am very critical of McCain.
wise_man on August 14, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Wow. Just…WOW.
misterpeasea on August 14, 2008 at 4:32 PM

And to further reiterate the point, not all of my life is online. Just because I don’t parrot the same ‘OMFG, Capt’n Amnesty SUCKS!! he’s going to destroy the republican party! Time for a revolution!’ BS comments here doesn’t mean I like McCain. What I am doing in real life I think might have a better impact on attempting to get the word out to McCain how displeased I am than ranting like a dog frothing at the mouth on a page that he doesn’t read. For some people, they allow their limited view of the world to define their reality. I just would hope that some people would try to see the bigger picture here. Sadly, I don’t see this happening much, by some of the comments that I read. Especially the ones that claim McCain will be worse than Obama.

The bad thing of McCain not picking a very strong conservative/far right politician is obviously the people who can’t see past their own arms will see this as a betrayal. The positive results would be that the people who often decide elections – Moderates, Independents, might see this as a more balanced ticket than an ultra left liberal Obama and whoever he picks. Obama IS left, far left and has attempted to display himself as being middle. McCain is moderate right, but still right. And he made this no secret when he was running for the nomination. If you step back and look at both of these people, more people would realize that while McCain is a flawed candidate, he won’t be able to do everything he wants, and will be moderated by the legislative branch. With Obama, you’ll have the democrats doing whatever they want to. And no one to stop them.

If you look at this election using a microscope, and only at certain issues that you pick and choose, and not everything in it’s totality, then you will be very shortsighted as to all of the events that will effect us all. And the world. I wish more people would think larger than themselves here.

You simply have to be a raving drooling shitmeister to vote for that POS, if you claim (sic) to be a conservative.
Or maybe you’re just a lying scumbag…

terryannonline on August 14, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Not that many, really. He can’t even seem to break 70% in primaries against phantom candidates, months after he clinched the nomination. He was consistently in the 30-40% range prior to that.

Not really a popular candidate, party-wide.
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Maybe that shows how smart conservative voters are about his smarmy MSM- and lib- buttkissing.

Didn’t Palin support the 75% windfall profits tax on Alaskan oil?

Actually, no. That story from the Seattle paper was false, but unfortunately some people believed it.

http://bulletproofdiction.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/the-windfall-profits-tax-and-gov-palin-non-issue/

McCain’s best chance to win:

*A conservative, pro-life Governor.

*A charismatic, fresh face who can excite the GOP with a preview of the next generation while good ol’ Maverick steers the ship for 4 yrs.

*Someone with the ability to appeal to swing voters who don’t care for the stereotypical “Republican”.

*A Veep who balances the ticket with a “big issue” other than McCain’s National Security issue. (Hmmmm. Domestic Energy would be perfect.)

McCain/Palin ‘08

I am willing to compromise on a few issues, but so many sour pills would need to be swallowed to support McCain that I would have a terminally sour stomach.

Snake307 on August 14, 2008 at 9:23 PM

McCain wants so desperately to be indigestable he can’t resist an extra weekly kick in the butt to keep the base from liking him. Whether this is due to base-envy or RINO stupidity matters not for it lets the base know how they will be treated after the election when they are no longer needed

A whole thread of “I’m a conservative and I hate McCain to find out the snake loves Obama. Poisonous and pathetic indeed.

Rovin on August 15, 2008 at 12:50 AM

I’m conservative. I despise McCain and I detest Obama. I do not obey the GOP and I am not a conscript. I find it mildly interesting that so many are outraged at conservatives who have not jumped on the band wagon to pledge support for a candidate who has promised to not represent them if elected.

The convention agenda is still mystery. McCain is still trying to build a coalition to exclude the base so there are no guarantees on any promises made today.

Obama may be a changeling but McCain will be a conservative only if he is trapped by the polls

It is a loser’s game to spend anger on people who will not vote your way. The better strategy is to find a way to make them like your candidate.

A politician is unlikable if people fear he will shaft them

President McCain proposes it. Congress debates it. We’re able to safely say that a vast majority of Democrats will vote for it won’t they? Then we’re able to say that at least a third of the Republicans will vote for it. Then we’re able to say that it passes and becomes law. Of course, we can’t say the same thing about the same legislation proposed by President Obama. The Republicans with few exceptions, like John McCain vote for it. A few Democrats vote against it, and what do you know, we’re able to block the legislation.

Same legislation, essentially the same congress, completely different outcomes based upon who is pulling the strings and twisting the arms.

In two years, the Republicans campaign as Conservatives, with a two year record of fighting hard for Conservative ideals, and pick up a few seats, perhaps enough to take back control of the house, it’s possible with Obama as President.

With McCain as President, the Republicans have only one thing to campaign on. If you elect us, we’ll push unemployment well into double digits by supporting the President’s new tax plan on the rich.

Yeah, we win big with that plan don’t we?

In 2012, with four years of a lame Obama who has seen his best efforts thwarted, we push again, and this time we put up a Conservative. I don’t know if it will be Jindal, or who. The point is we push hard for Conservative ideals and principals. He reads right from the winning playbook of Newt, Reagan, and even Clinton, who all campaigned on tax cuts and smaller Government. Sure Clinton lied and jacked taxes up, retroactively as a first, but hey, were talking campaign not governance here.

Both of these scenarios have been played out in recent history. In one, Republicans gained power, and pushed their conservative agenda. In another, they frittered away their Conservative message and the nation suffered. Which do you want to see my friend?

I prefer to see a stymied Liberal Agenda, one which is blocked at every possible path. I want to see Conservative Ideals once again the talk of Washington Town. There is absolutely no way that any Conservative Ideals will be pushed in Washington except the make believe Conservative ideals of John McCain. Great old time Conservative ideals like higher taxes, bigger Government, and less personal liberty and control over our own lives.

You know, the Country Club Republicans version of Conservative.

A whole thread of “I’m a conservative and I hate McCain to find out the snake loves Obama. Poisonous and pathetic indeed.

Rovin on August 15, 2008 at 12:50 AM

I said more than once that Obama was essentially no different in his Liberal Big Government policies. It was the achievement of those policies that I debated. I believe and you would have a hard time arguing that McCain will achieve more of his Liberal Policies than Obama will. In fact, I’ll challenge you to this. Do you think that McCain will be able to pass his proposed Carbon Cap and trade tax if elected President?

I await your answer. I already know what it would be. The answer would be yes. He would be able to get it through Congress. The Democrats would love it, as it plays to their base, the Man Made Global Warming crowd is undeniably Liberal. Now, who would stand in opposition to this plan? Would the Republicans rise in opposition to their own parties President? Some few would most would go along, and the measure would pass both houses of Congress. We would watch our economy be destroyed. McCain’s success equals our disaster.

Are you able to argue this? I know you’re not, and you know you’re not. You could try and debate the effects on the economy, but since many economists and business leaders have come out and predicted exactly what I said, disaster for our economy, your argument would be baseless.

Same situation, President Obama this time. He proposes it, and into Congress it goes. We manage to strong arm most of the Republicans with the exception of the RINO’s like St. John of McCain. We’re able to strong arm a few Democrats, the Blue Dog’s mostly. We keep it from passing, and Obama doesn’t get to destroy our economy.

Again, realistic scenarios, and ones we’ve seen played out in Washington time and time again. The theory of the Minority Opposition party is that they fight to keep extreme legislation from going forward. In this case, McCain’s the extremist with the best chance of getting those to go forward.

Tell me where I’m wrong in this presentation. Please, I would like to know how the Republicans would oppose a Republican President who is putting forward this particular piece of legislation? Do you think the Democrats would oppose it?

I’ll be eager to remind you every day of how much he sucks…especially when the betrayals start.

austinnelly on August 14, 2008 at 10:03 PM

No question about it. But the down-ticket candidates matter too much. As a result of pathetic leadership this cycle, I got involved locally. One thing I found out is that local elections are messed up because people show up to vote for the top of the ticket and leave the rest blank.

We lose the whole war by winning this fight. Go Obama, I’d rather live to fight another day.

Snake307 on August 14, 2008 at 11:15 PM

A whole thread of “I’m a conservative and I hate McCain to find out the snake loves Obama. Poisonous and pathetic indeed.

Novote for Nobama here; I’ll vote McCain with a clothespin on my nose.

Besides, isn’t “another Republican Revolution.” what you want? Why, you could even vote for McCain .. in a totally reverse psychology sort of way. Now that would really be devious!

wise_man on August 14, 2008 at 10:35 PM

The Difference between us is I want the Conservatives to win in the near future, while you want them defeated for the next decade or more. Which is why I don’t support McCain, and you do.

Obviously, if McCain gets elected, the carbon cap and trade tax will go in, the Democrats love it, and the Republicans will have their arms twisted to go along. They will, in party unity. So it will pass, and we’ll have a huge economy destroying tax in effect. Good job John McCain.

If it’s Obama who tries the same thing. The Republicans fight him, and we manage to convince enough of the blue dog Democrats to keep it from passing. We win, the economy is saved.

Which scenario is more likely? Will John McCain just decide he didn’t really mean it when he said he wanted to do that? Will the Republicans fight him? When they did over Immigration, he screamed at them and called the other Republicans Racists, that by the way was his own party. Now he violated the sacred Reagan 11th Commandment, but hey, he’s the Maverick.

Only when we had sent tens of thousands of bricks to Congress did the Amnesty move stop, for now. McCain said he learned, and then said if that same bill ended up on his desk, he’d sign it.

Do you think he didn’t mean that? Do you think he wouldn’t sign an all out Nancy Pelosi authored Amnesty Bill? He would in a minute and you know it Wise, or else you’re inaptly named.

What wouldn’t McCain do, and without the Republicans to fight him, what couldn’t he accomplish?

There is no limit to what he can do, which is why I said he’s the more dangerous Liberal candidate. He wants the same things as Obama, only no one will be fighting against him for four years. He will accomplish more of the Liberal agenda, because he’ll control the Republican Party for the next eight years.

Sure, try and get me to vote for him by telling me he’ll die soon, he’s old. Sorry, I won’t bet on that. Only the good die young, and he’s no good. He’s the biggest threat to our economy, or security, and our freedom that you’ve ever seen, and you refuse to admit it.

So answer these questions Wise. Did McCain push McCain Feingold including the free speech abridging section mentioned above? Answer Yes.

Was McCain instrumental in violating the forth fifth and sixth amendment regarding the National Security Letters part of the Patriot Act? Answer yes.

Did McCain vote against the Bush Tax Cuts because they were too generous to the Rich thus making him a class warfare politician? Answer yes.

Did McCain push for his Amnesty Plan, and didn’t he state on the Senate Floor that by opposing this you were telling them to get to the back of the bus? Honest answer has to be yes.

Didn’t McCain propose the Carbon Cap and Trade system? Answer Yes.

So which of these are manufactured or lies? Which of them is not true.

Which of them is the Conservative Republican approach to a problem? None of them.

Which of them represents the Republican party that won huge in 1994? None.

Which of them is the Republican party that won in 2000, 2002, 2004? None.

McCain helped draft the Bankruptcy reform system, which took rights from individuals, but maintained them for his business cronies. Again, fact.

So why is it I am making things up? He’s dangerous enough in the Senate, giving him a more important job isn’t smart is it?

Obama has accomplished nothing. Would accomplish less if elected. So we’d lose what by letting him win? Nothing.

We lose the whole war by winning this fight. Go Obama, I’d rather live to fight another day.

You’d be wrong in that assumption. I don’t fit into your definition of how things are, so you feel better about yourself by making stuff up about me that’s not true. But I wouldn’t want to harsh your mellow as it were to your manifesto that the republican party left you. You want out. I’m just being cordial, Not insulting, as is some people’s opinion. Which is also wrong.

Best of luck backing a third party candidate that is going to loose, with zero electoral votes and about half a million votes, or .40% of the total votes. Approximately.

wise_man on August 14, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Actually, as I said earlier. I’m voting for Obama. Give me the weak and ineffectual liberal over the dangerously competent liberal any day. I’ll take the one least likely to get his agenda through and gives us the best chance at another Republican Revolution. With McCain, I’m going to have to join a Union just to survive.

but as in ‘52, the alternative is a liberal scatter-brained liberal Dem senator from Illinois.
It’s not the coast of France in 1940, man, or the Philippines in 41-42.
It’s time to avoid something much, much worse than MsCain
Janos Hunyadi on August 14, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Watch out. Lest you incur the wrath of teh snake and nely from austin. They don’t even recognize the real threat of Obama, so they have to build up this object of their irrational hate of McCain to epic proportions. You see, normal people who read their opinions are also similarly bewildered by their behavior. I’ve observed this behavior before, over the last 7 years. “Not my president!” is one of those people’s battle cries. Did you catch the poll that said a third of them believe that Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks beforehand?

Crazy is a very ugly thing. Especially when mixed with politics. And while McCain is a flawed candidate, he’s no where near the level of demented anti-christ that some paint him out to be. *shrugs*

this is not war, Snake; this is politics–there are several Big Differences. But in both, you sometimes work hard for an ugly messy victory to avoid a disasterous defeat

I wanted Rudy, and God only knows Rudy is less than perfect. What I got was McCain. I’ve made the analogy before, but McCain is Ike in 1952: not a geniur, not a conservative, not really a Republican

but as in ‘52, the alternative is a liberal scatter-brained liberal Dem senator from Illinois.

It’s not the coast of France in 1940, man, or the Philippines in 41-42.

It’s time to avoid something much, much worse than MsCain

Janos Hunyadi on August 14, 2008 at

OK, so what do we gain from this victory? Do we win a solid Republican gain? No we don’t. It’s far more likely that McCain will have a majority Democratic congress. If we had a rock ribbed hard core by the principals candidate, I could live with that.

We have a candidate who’s reputation and in fact his moniker of Maverick is earned by working not against Democrats, but with them. So when the Democrats push for a tax increase, and McCain initially resists, let’s pretend he does. Then they offer him something he wants, like his carbon cap and trade, which in reality is another tax anyway, does he agree? You bet he does, he’s said it many times, he’ll negotiate anything.

I won’t. Some things are not negotiable, yet no McCainiac can name something that McCain won’t negotiate, because his history clearly shows he’s negotiated everything over the last twenty two years in the Senate.

McCain will be blamed by the Democrats for all these things. Increased taxes, more unemployment, more economic disruptions. The answer in 2012? Massive Democratic win. Instead of unseating Jimmy Carter, we get Jimmy McCain unseated, and we lose even more in the house and Senate.

Today’s victory, even if it’s bloody, is liable to lead to an even more disasterous defeat. We’re liable to be wishing for Obama to run in 2012, instead of what we get. Simply put, there are worse things out there then Obama now. He’s new, has no chits built up, and can’t get his agenda off the ground so long as the Republicans left fight against him. McCain will get his agenda, and drilling won’t be in that agenda. McCain has years of opposing Drilling to fall back on. Years and tons of history with the people he’s supposed to be fighting.

We might win in November, but if we do, it will be Pyrrhic to be certain. We’ll end up giving away the farm before we recover from that victory.