Ultimate ChiCom chicanery: Gold-medal gymnasts are underage? Update: More cheating?

posted at 11:55 am on August 13, 2008 by Allahpundit

There’s really no doubt about it and no one’s much pretending that there is. If the photos don’t convince you, read the NYT or LAT or listen to NPR and you’ll find them all citing the fact that records available online show some of the girls to be no older than 14, two years younger than the cut-off for the competition. And frankly, even that seems a stretch. From the Times:

“One of the girls has a missing tooth,” [U.S. coordinator Martha] Karolyi said, suggesting that the gymnast was so young that she lost a baby tooth and had yet to have a permanent one emerge…

Half of the team — He Kexin, Yang Yilin, Jiang Yuyuan — would be under age, according to online sports registration lists in China. The international gymnastics federation, however, said those gymnasts were eligible and that the ages on their passports were correct…

Because China and the United States competed on the same events each rotation, it was easier to notice differences in their body types. The Chinese gymnasts lack curves, have an average height of 4 feet 9 inches and weigh an average of 77 pounds. Deng is the smallest, at 4-6 and 68 pounds. The women on the United States team, generally more muscular and shapely than the Chinese, are an average of 3 ½ inches taller and 30 pounds heavier.

The event in which the Chinese blew the U.S. team away? The uneven bars — perfectly suited, per NPR’s reporter, for smaller, lighter girls. So egregious is this fraud, in fact, that even NBC’s not shying away from it. Watch the exchange below with Bela Karolyi, former U.S. coach and Martha’s husband, talking about how easy it would be for the Chinese to doctor the passports they’re citing as evidence of the girls’ age. The Olympics committee has washed its hands of the matter, declaring they accept the passports as legitimate lest they offend the host, so toss this alongside the 1972 basketball final as another example of a famously corrupt organization looking the other way at malfeasance to accommodate a politically palatable end.

Update: Some of the complaints about cheating are bound to be sour grapes, but drink this in.


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I think breast feeding between events should give it away.

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Maybe they could give the Chinese child gymnasts a flash quiz with basic knowledge a 16 year old/grade 11 student would know.

There is no way those tiny kids are 16.

Dave Rywall on August 13, 2008 at 11:59 AM

The Chinese gymnasts lack curves, have an average height of 4 feet 9 inches and weigh an average of 77 pounds. Deng is the smallest, at 4-6 and 68 pounds. The women on the United States team, generally more muscular and shapely than the Chinese, are an average of 3 ½ inches taller and 30 pounds heavier.

Umm… In case you haven’t noticed, this smaller ratio in height and weight also holds true when both groups are also fully grown.

But the chinese gymbastics do look like they are 12 years old.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:00 PM

I think breast feeding between events should give it away.

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Do what?

fourstringfuror on August 13, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Holy mackarel. Those kids look like they’re 10 years old! There’s absolutely no way they’re 16. None.

What a joke.

mjk on August 13, 2008 at 12:01 PM

?? (chinese “gymnasts”) – Ugh.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Well no kidding. I would be surprised if half the Chinese girls team didn’t have to have their diapers changed between events.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 12:02 PM

<blockquote>Hening on August 13, 2008 at 11:58 AM
fourstringfuror on August 13, 2008 at 12:00 PM

From their moms. Is how I read it.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM

The Chinese Communists ARE putting their culture on display, and it’s not pretty. For the Chinese government, it’s still, “the truth is what we say it is.”

RBMN on August 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM

They’re underage! Oh my gosh! I had no idea!

BadgerHawk on August 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Umm… In case you haven’t noticed, this smaller ratio in height and weight also holds true when both groups are also fully grown.

Umm, in case you haven’t noticed, 16 year old girls have these things called breasts. The Chinese girls have clearly not even made the acquaintance of this thing called puberty.

mjk on August 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM

I think breast feeding between events should give it away.

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 11:58 AM

The Huggies that some of them were wearing were dead give-aways, donchathink’?

My collie says:

Not to mention the teething rings.

CyberCipher on August 13, 2008 at 12:04 PM

That one chinese chick (you know who I’m talking about) is 10 years old. I know it. You know it. We all know it.

But still, the americans lost that competition. The one girl fell off the beam, messed up her floor exercise and threw the rest of the team off balance.

Age or not. Americans didn’t deserve gold last night.

lorien1973 on August 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM

The judge from East Germany had no comment.

Slublog on August 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM

And I don’t care who wins the medals, I still say that western athletes from free nations are still better than those that come from places such as China.

The Chinese take these kids at three, throw them into a life-camp for ten years and indoctrinate them about one sport. The kids see their families twice a year, the bills are paid by the government and the only expectation is that they produce medals for the politburo to crow about.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Well, as Gomer Pyle would say, “Surprise, surprise, surprise!”

BigD on August 13, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Umm, in case you haven’t noticed, 16 year old girls have these things called breasts. The Chinese girls have clearly not even made the acquaintance of this thing called puberty.
mjk on August 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM

How many chinese women do you know? My comment stands.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:08 PM

One way to find out for sure is to see how tall these girls are 2 years from now. If they grow in height, the weren’t the 15-3/4 years old they needed to be to compete. Girls that age have almost always already reached their adult height.

forest on August 13, 2008 at 12:09 PM

If the photos don’t convince you,

The girl on the right looks like she’s 10.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:09 PM

Age or not. Americans didn’t deserve gold last night.
lorien1973 on August 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM

The American girl who fell on the beam was held before her start time, she was psyched and ready and then told to wait which HAD to have a negative effect on her mental prep.The younger smaller girls also had an advantage on the uneven bars.

You can say that the American girls screwed-up and lost it themselves, but when the Chinese team is cheating from the start, its not exactly a fair analysis.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 12:10 PM

The change is scoring, the age restriction, both used in favor of China.
I think they should get rid of the age restriction. It prevents a lot of girls from ever competing because they hit 16 on the wrong year.

A Communist regime has no moral basis for not cheating.

No Jesus, No Peace.

kirkill on August 13, 2008 at 12:10 PM

You guys really need to let this go. Accusing another country of age-cheating is a slippery slope. The US lost, they can’t win every time. They just need to get over it.

Phelps has just won 5 golds, and broke the WR each time. Maybe China can accuse him of being on steroids…

Chudi on August 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Umm… In case you haven’t noticed, this smaller ratio in height and weight also holds true when both groups are also fully grown.

By 30 pounds? I’m not so sure about that.

I’d believe you if you said they’d still be significantly smaller than the Americans, but 30 pounds is a lot.

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM

I thought there was something suspicious about that Chinese game show Are Your More Limber than a Fifth Grader?

Gymkata on August 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM

The State is clearly cheating with the gymnasts.

Our own Nastia would have medaled in Athens had she been allowed to compete.

The stuff in the article can be chalked up to home field advantage.

Valiant on August 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Maybe they could give the Chinese child gymnasts a flash quiz with basic knowledge a 16 year old/grade 11 student would know.
Dave Rywall on August 13, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Really, ask them, Who’s Paris dating? Did Britney get custody? And so on.

Akzed on August 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM

A communist regime has to have its propaganda, right? What’s the problem?

/sarc

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Pretty sick huh? Wait till they realize the free world thinks it’s more a testament to their barbarity than any superiority.

TheBigOldDog on August 13, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Maybe China can accuse him of being on steroids…

Chudi on August 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM

They get tested on a pretty regular basis, so that won’t really hold up.

BadgerHawk on August 13, 2008 at 12:13 PM

All documentation can be forged. This can all be solved easily……X-Ray! X-Ray a hand. From this a trained radiologist can assess bone age which is a better indicator of chronological age.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 12:13 PM

Aw they just look young for their age.

Alden Pyle on August 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Maybe China can accuse him of being on steroids…

It’s my understanding that they do steroid testing after every swimming event.

Matticus Finch on August 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM

The girl on the right looks like she’s 10.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:09 PM

Her name is Tu Yung.

faraway on August 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM

When my wife goes shopping for clothes and has trouble finding things that fit her in the adult section. She’s not from China, but smaller stature people come from that part of the world. And Yao Ming is tall. But he’s not the norm over there. The chinese gymnasts may be underage, and I don’t doubt that. But there is a huge difference between women from America, and women (and men) from the east.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM

faraway on August 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM

+1

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Nadia Kominici was 14 when she won her medals.

An Americana also was 14. The age limit is ridiculous anyway. Did you SEE the Chinese girls perform? Some of the stuff that they did was simply amazing. Their uneven bars stuff boggled my mind. I’ve never seen anything like it.

Whether under age or not, they were the best gymnasts by far. If Americans hadn’t fallen, they’d have won. But the Chinese girls were the best in the competition no matter what their age was.

If America had won, this wouldn’t have been an issue.

ThackerAgency on August 13, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Ha ha Akzed – but I meant a high school test – of algebra or chemistry or whatever.

As for the American girl having her prep “ruined”, boo hoo.

Dave Rywall on August 13, 2008 at 12:15 PM

lorien1973 on August 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Don’t forget the Chinese girl fell off the beam as well, then had MANY ‘balance checks’. The American fell off the beam, but the rest of her routine was rock solid. The Chinese gymnest scored .5 higher.

dish on August 13, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Phelps has just won 5 golds, and broke the WR each time. Maybe China can accuse him of being on steroids…
Chudi on August 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Every day the athletes are blood and piss tested for illegal enhancers, is there such a test for age?

Half of Phelp’s medals are from team events with different swimmers each time.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Chudi on August 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Yeah, let’s just let anybody get away with whatever they want, so long as they’re good at forgery. I mean, even if they were age-cheating, they deserve the gold medal because they have so many great passport forgers in the employ of the state.

Give me a freaking break. They cheated. Its like saying…”Well, whoever came in 2nd to Marion Jones didn’t deserve the gold because she lost, even if she did lose to someone who was proven to be cheating.”

jimmy the notable on August 13, 2008 at 12:16 PM

What else will come up that will involve shenanigans and the Chinese?

Weebork on August 13, 2008 at 12:16 PM

That He Kexin on the uneven bars did the most amazing stuff I have ever seen. . . I don’t care how old she is, that stuff was amazing.

ThackerAgency on August 13, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Phelps has just won 5 golds, and broke the WR each time. Maybe China can accuse him of being on steroids…

Chudi on August 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Except he’s tested. Are you advocating we test these girls by x-raying their hands and pulling their medals if it shows they are clearly under 16, just like how all Phelps medals would be pulled if he showed up dirty?

TheBigOldDog on August 13, 2008 at 12:17 PM

I used to fence in college, and there were all sorts of stories about before electronic scoring how judges from the same country as the fencer would award hits when no other judges saw anything. Then came along the Russian with a trigger in his epee to complete the circuit and score hits with his electronic weapon.

Cheating is older than the Olympics.

Between the cheating, the glamor showcasing for dangerous nations and Mickey D’s giving away food prizes for medal wins…..I choose to avoid the entire circus.

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM

I’m not saying the Americans should be awarded the gold medal or anything, but the obvious cheating is worth noting.

And is was bizarre to see 6th graders competing against adult women. Just plain weird. The advantage goes to the children in the case of gymnastics.

forest on August 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM

But whatever happened on the beam, the Americans blew it on the floor.

dish on August 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM

As for the American girl having her prep “ruined”, boo hoo.
Dave Rywall on August 13, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Yeah I know, “boo hoo” for a young woman who has dedicated the last six or eight years of her life to that one moment, only to have the home-team give her the ice treatment.

Do you try to be a dick or does it come naturally?

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM

faraway on August 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Funny, I thought it was Noh Peh Ryud.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM

lorien1973 on August 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM

I agree.
It is an interesting thing to note the girls’ apparent age, but I don’t want the US to whine about it.

MayBee on August 13, 2008 at 12:20 PM

no surprise, Mr. Drywall was rooting against America, again. Love Marx much?

kirkill on August 13, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Her name is Tu Yung.

faraway

I see what you did there…

Benaiah on August 13, 2008 at 12:21 PM

Give me a freaking break. They cheated. Its like saying…”Well, whoever came in 2nd to Marion Jones didn’t deserve the gold because she lost, even if she did lose to someone who was proven to be cheating.”
jimmy the notable on August 13, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Right on.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 12:22 PM

All documentation can be forged. This can all be solved easily……X-Ray! X-Ray a hand. From this a trained radiologist can assess bone age which is a better indicator of chronological age.

Exactly. I am actually rather surprised it’s not required for sports that have an age limit.

Bob's Kid on August 13, 2008 at 12:22 PM

I’m way over it, was over it 10 seconds after the cheating was over. Still doesn’t make it right, and shouldn’t stop it from being a topic of discussion.

Yeah, Silver isn’t bad, but leaves a sour taste when you’ve been hoodwinked.

kirkill on August 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM

But whatever happened on the beam, the Americans blew it on the floor.

dish on August 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Exactly, I guess we are supposed to believe that the Chinese cheated and forced American poster-girl Shawn Johnson to step out of bounds. Clearly Shawn should have gotten a gold for stepping out of bounds.

ThackerAgency on August 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM

Commies lie and cheat? My world has collapsed!

But the American girls lost because of their own performance. It was tough to watch their faces especially after the Beam and Floor.

woodman on August 13, 2008 at 12:24 PM

I watched the competition and I kept repeated to my family that the girls are 12 yrs. old, maximum.
Are the people of the Olympics committee blind?

jencab on August 13, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Truth is, those Chinese girls are lucky to be alive.

Brat on August 13, 2008 at 12:27 PM

More sour grapes?

US team blame stadium official for gymnastics loss

Valiant on August 13, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Icing the Gymnast…Who knew?

TheBigOldDog on August 13, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Exactly, I guess we are supposed to believe that the Chinese cheated and forced American poster-girl Shawn Johnson to step out of bounds. Clearly Shawn should have gotten a gold for stepping out of bounds.

Sorry, but they beat every other team in that stadium except the Chinese team. By your theory, if the Chinese team were to be disqualified, the gold should have gone to the Germans, or the Canadians, or perhaps the Namibians.

Matticus Finch on August 13, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Clearly Shawn Johnson watched her teammate lose concentration after being iced and then get a worse score than the Chinese girl who also fell. Huge difference in concentration when its too close to call and when its a foregone conclusion.

They were almost too far behind to catch the Chinese at the last event and they knew it. The Chinese gymnasts would have to have launched themselves into the judges table or fallen over dead to have lost the gold.

But hey, regardless of illegal underage ringers on the Chinese team, Shawn stepped out of bounds. Just ignore the State Sports Commisar hovering in the background.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Love Marx much?

Lame.

Grow Fins on August 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM

The Chinese take these kids at three, throw them into a life-camp for ten years and indoctrinate them about one sport. The kids see their families twice a year, the bills are paid by the government and the only expectation is that they produce medals for the politburo to crow about.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 12:06 PM

And, don’t forget, the ones we see performing are just the tip of the iceberg. We don’t see the thousands who similarly sacrificed their childhoods to the government sports camps who didn’t make it, some no doubt due to crippling injuries.

The NBC commentators mentioned the other night that the Romanian team is nothing like it was in its glory days under an analogous totalitarian system. Yeah no kidding.

The Chinese children performed well and deserve individual credit for their accomplishments. It is very creepy to watch though. I couldn’t look at those girls without thinking “child abuse.”

Gilda on August 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM

When my wife goes shopping for clothes and has trouble finding things that fit her in the adult section. She’s not from China, but smaller stature people come from that part of the world. And Yao Ming is tall. But he’s not the norm over there. The chinese gymnasts may be underage, and I don’t doubt that. But there is a huge difference between women from America, and women (and men) from the east.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM

I agree with all points. To me the Chinese girls look much younger than 16, but then I’ve seen Chinese women in their late twenties who are less than 5″ tall weigh less than 90 lbs, can barely fit into “petite” clothes, and look like they could be in high school.

A lot of athletes have freakish body types based on specialization–high school basketball players who are over 6’10″ or football players who weight 400lbs.

With 1.3 billion people in the country I guess the girls could be 3 or 4 standard deviations from the norm in terms of height and weight. Also, I recall reading that intense sports like gymnastics can push back some aspects of puberty for girls–not sure if that is true.

dedalus on August 13, 2008 at 12:30 PM

Funny, I thought it was Noh Peh Ryud.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM

ROFLMAO!

TheBigOldDog on August 13, 2008 at 12:30 PM

My DD is 14 years old and as we were watching, said to me “Those girls are younger than I am”. She had heard nothing of the controversy and even she could tell how young these girls were. She guessed the age of the smallest one at around 10.

Conservative_SAHM on August 13, 2008 at 12:31 PM

Also, I recall reading that intense sports like gymnastics can push back some aspects of puberty for girls–not sure if that is true.
dedalus on August 13, 2008 at 12:30 PM

That sounds familiar to me as well.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:31 PM

My daughter is 12 and very tiny for her age. She is in the 5th percentile for her weight, which is 83 lbs. She looks very much like some of the Chinese gymnasts. There is no way a 16 yo girl looks like that, no way at all.

StephC on August 13, 2008 at 12:32 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 13, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Oh, I don’t know. I guess doing front, back, sideways, everyway flips on a board, what, 4 inches wide, might make you nervous. Then doing it in front of millions with all your hopes and dreams on the line and then being made to wait 5-6 minutes for them to give you to go ahead might mess with your head a little….

/I could never come even close to knowing. Gold or silver, they were amazing.

dish on August 13, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Darn I had to read that five times before I got it.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Chudi on August 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Mike Phelps is an amazing athelete and has taken all of his tests a hundred times over.

The Chinese won plenty of medals fair and square. Even the mens gymnastics was fair.

This is blatant and wrong.

Squid Shark on August 13, 2008 at 12:32 PM

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Chinese women can be small by American standards but they still have all of the curves of a full grown woman; you won’t mistake a chinese woman for a child.

If any of those gymnasts is even 15 years old, I’d be surprised.
The difference with the American team is striking. Is it just me or did we have a really muscular team this year?

Given the amount of malfeasance and slight of hand they’ve shown in trying to show a ‘happy face’ to the world, should anyone be surprised that they would field a prepubescent gymnastics team? Despite their many flaws, they were awarded the Olympics this year so all the sporting purists need to suck it up; even if you pretend they’re not a communist thugocracy, they’re still going to act like one. They’re going to cheat like hell to keep from being beaten in their own house.

austinnelly on August 13, 2008 at 12:33 PM

My wife is Chinese (from Taiwan), and slightly built even for an oriental.

One of those girls looked to be 16, maybe 16+. The others were 12-13 at most.

The good thing about the cheating is that it’s so blatant that their ‘great victory’ will be a subject of mockery for decades.

Our ladies know how they did (both good and bad) and they know whether or not they were the superiour team last night. And in any case, they know they have a victory over the Chinese team in any case – our ladies have lives.

KCSteve on August 13, 2008 at 12:34 PM

NBC may have barely talked about it, but that exchange was weak. Viera obviously didn’t want to talk about it in the way that Bela did, and, they ended with “Well, they deserved the gold anyway.”

Eh. You don’t deserve it if you cheat to get it.

nailinmyeye on August 13, 2008 at 12:34 PM

Also, I recall reading that intense sports like gymnastics can push back some aspects of puberty for girls–not sure if that is true.
dedalus on August 13, 2008 at 12:30 PM
That sounds familiar to me as well.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:31 PM

Correct. Lack of body fat, anorexia, among other things, will delay menstruation/puberty.

I had a college roommate that was on the tennis team. She looked 12. She never had a period while I knew her throughout college.

Brat on August 13, 2008 at 12:37 PM

nailinmyeye on August 13, 2008 at 12:34 PM

You reminded me. During the live broadcast, they went to Bela K and he first mentioned his ‘underage’ meme. It was before the floor exercise. I thought I saw Bob Costas move his arm under the desk towards him as if to say, ‘shhhhh’. Anyone else notice that, or was it just my bleary eyes…

dish on August 13, 2008 at 12:37 PM

The 1972 basketball game was worse. On the other hand, the conduct of the IOC after the Israelis were massacred was exponentially worse.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on August 13, 2008 at 12:38 PM

Do you try to be a dick or does it come naturally?

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM

You’re new here aren’t you?

Exactly, I guess we are supposed to believe that the Chinese cheated and forced American poster-girl Shawn Johnson to step out of bounds. Clearly Shawn should have gotten a gold for stepping out of bounds.

ThackerAgency on August 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM

So stepping out of bounds is breaking a rule??? Competiions have established rules?? Like age restrictions?? Oh, we just get to decide which one’s really have to be followed..I see. LibTard logic at it’s finest on display.

I think if the ChiComs cheated..the Gold should just be vacated…The U.S. team should get the medal they earned, Silver.

BigWyo on August 13, 2008 at 12:41 PM

Chinese women can be small by American standards but they still have all of the curves of a full grown woman; you won’t mistake a chinese woman for a child.
austinnelly on August 13, 2008 at 12:33 PM

Quite a lot of full grown chinese women have less curves than others. That’s all I’m saying. While there are some very curvy women from china, (I suppose. Somewhere.) a whole lot of them have a strikingly different look than women from America. Still, the chinese gymnasts look like they are 10 to 14. If their trainers picked out the best candidates, which were smaller, and trained them from a young age, and this intense training slowed down their normal development as they built on muscle mass and kept strict control of their diet … they could easily look younger. Especially when compared to gymnasts from other countries where they don’t have the same exact practice, where their genetics are different.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:41 PM

And yet the US is still ahead in the Medal Count, and Track and Field has not even started.

Freedom makes for superior athletic performance overall. While it is true that Scaramone slipped, it is also true that their were unusually long and strange delays before many American starts. And the Chinese were smart about their cheating. They picked the American girls most likely to get ruffled and targeted them. And I’ve noticed a lot of other judging problems as well.

Any sport that relies on judging is pretty much a sham when you get to the politically correct and UN-like spectacle of Olympic games.

JeffB. on August 13, 2008 at 12:41 PM

no surprise, Mr. Drywall was rooting against America, again. Love Marx much?
kirkill on August 13, 2008 at 12:20 PM

No, idiot. I’m rooting against crybabying at the Olympics. She shouldn’t have been rattled by the delay. And besides, the Americans lost it out on the floor, as many, many posters have said already. Are they all rooting against America too? Get over yourself.

Dave Rywall on August 13, 2008 at 12:42 PM

That He Kexin on the uneven bars did the most amazing stuff I have ever seen. . . I don’t care how old she is, that stuff was amazing.

ThackerAgency on August 13, 2008 at 12:16 PM

But that’s the point. If she is only 14, she might not be able to do those same moves when she is 16 and bigger. So it was not alevel playing field for the U.S. women. The start scores for most of the Chinese girls were higher than the U.S. team’s, meaning they had a higher degree of difficulty which guaranteed them higher scores if they performed the routines cleanly. Older and bigger girls cannot always perform to that highest degree of difficulty. Younger and smaller girls also get more lift on almost every apparatus and so have a huge advantage. What the U.S. women have done in this sport over the last year is truly amazing when you consider how “old” they are.

Age limits were also put in place to keep girls from ruining their bodies by competing in these super-tough competitions when their bones are still forming. Gymnastics is a notoriously body-crunching sport and serious injuries are common. Girls who are too young can become crippled or deformed by performing these feats over and over again. The Chinese government and sports authorities obviously do not care about these girls as human beings; and the government will provide large pensions now for their families, so their families by and large do not care either. It’s a monstrosity.

Read about Yao Ming’s family sometime and you will understand the horror of the Chinese sports machine.

rockmom on August 13, 2008 at 12:42 PM

I think it’s amazing that there would be Chinese judges for either gymnastics or diving, the two sports they most badly want to win gold.

The Chinese gymnasts were better yesterday. That doesn’t changes the fact that they’re not old enough to compete.

The Chinese divers are like their version of Phelps. No one else even comes close to beating them.

BadgerHawk on August 13, 2008 at 12:46 PM

And, It’s not enough that they have the Potemkin cheer squads and Potemkin Air Quality. They need the Potemkin 10 year old girls dolled up in makeup as well to prop up their sham collectivist regime.

It will be obvious in a few years when these girls reach sixteen and the “where are they now” photos come out. Hopefully they defect to the US before then, otherwise China might kill them to dispose of the evidence.

JeffB. on August 13, 2008 at 12:46 PM

This is blatant and wrong.

Squid Shark on August 13, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Hopefully some more investigation will provide better answers. If the Chinese cheated they should be stripped of their medals, just like a blood doper or steroid user. One girl looked more like a 12 year old than a 16 year old. However, looks can deceive. I remember watching LeBron James in high school do things on the court that were ridiculous. He had an NBA body when he a junior. I would have bet, and bet a lot, that he wasn’t the same age as the other kids on the court.

dedalus on August 13, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Age limits were also put in place to keep girls from ruining their bodies by competing in these super-tough competitions when their bones are still forming. Gymnastics is a notoriously body-crunching sport and serious injuries are common.
rockmom on August 13, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Speaking of bone crunching, anyone else see the weightlifter Janos Baranyai video? Content warning on that one if you want to look it up.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:48 PM

You know, if the U.S. Olympic Committee had anything even remotely resembling cajones, they would pack up the whole U.S. Team, formally announce they are pulling out of the Games to protest this blatant example of cheating being condoned by the IOC, then announce that until there is a dramatic overhaul of the IOC and the current way it is doing business, the United States will neither participate in any future Olympic games, NOR will they fund them in any way, shape or form. Maybe then the IOC will get the message. This is an absolute outrage!

pilamaye on August 13, 2008 at 12:51 PM

When my wife goes shopping for clothes and has trouble finding things that fit her in the adult section. She’s not from China, but smaller stature people come from that part of the world. And Yao Ming is tall. But he’s not the norm over there. The chinese gymnasts may be underage, and I don’t doubt that. But there is a huge difference between women from America, and women (and men) from the east.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Agree totally. I’ve lived in Japan and made many trips to the far east, girls and people in general are much smaller there. These girls are probably the age they claim, small stature is the norm in Asia.

Maxx on August 13, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Just another reason why they should never have been awarded the Olympics bid:

1. they cheat
2. their air stinks
3. human rights violations
4. awarding them the Olympics was not going to result in them easing up on human rights violations.

Not sure why the Olympic officials haven’t addressed this problem earlier. I thought they can use hand xrays to determine age. Anyway, this Olympic spirit thing is nonsense.

Blake on August 13, 2008 at 12:52 PM

The new standard appears to be that you don’t have to obey any rule that you disagree with.

MarkTheGreat on August 13, 2008 at 12:53 PM

So stepping out of bounds is breaking a rule?

yeah, it’s like falling down. . . something you aren’t supposed to do. It’s a part of the art of gymnastics (body control), not the new artificial and arbitrary age rule that the IOC created.

America won the silver medal and that’s great. I’m very proud of America. But the Chinese girls were amazing. I doubt America has 14 year olds that could do what they did. I challenge anyone of any age anywhere in the world at any time in my life to best what He Kexin did on the uneven bars.

ThackerAgency on August 13, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Raise your hands all of you who didn’t think the Chinese would cheat in order to win medals.

Just as I thought.

Watching a portion of the farce last night, it struck me how the American girls (who probably tip the scales at 90 pounds) looked like Amazonian beasts in stature next to the prepubescent pixies the Chinese put out there.

Michael Phelps could eat two of them for breakfast and still have room for a dozen fried egg sammiges.

JammieWearingFool on August 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:41 PM

I was looking at their mouths. Most of those girls still had many of their baby teeth.

MarkTheGreat on August 13, 2008 at 12:56 PM

You know, if the U.S. Olympic Committee had anything even remotely resembling cajones, they would pack up the whole U.S. Team, formally announce they are pulling out of the Games to protest this blatant example of cheating

pilamaye on August 13, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Yea, that’s a great idea! I’m sure all of out athletes who’ve dedicated their lives to their sport would love it! We’re still winning in the medal count, and track and field hasn’t even started. Even with their cheating, we’re still going to win. Suck it, China.

BadgerHawk on August 13, 2008 at 12:56 PM

The bottom line is that the Chinese girls are underage and the officials interfered with the U.S team’s performance.

BigD on August 13, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Who cares?

This isn’t a sport. It’s a children’s beauty pageant.

Sports involve quantifiable measures – you’re safe or out, you passed the goal line or you didn’t, the ball went through the hoop or it didn’t.

This is Jon-Benet at higher speeds.

Don’t get me started on the pedophile judges that tell emaciated sixth graders that they look “chubby”.

playblu on August 13, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Deng is the smallest, at 4-6 and 68 pounds.

For what it’s worth, that is about the same size as my niece who turned 9 in March.

BigD on August 13, 2008 at 12:59 PM

I actually am not totally convinced that the Chinese girls are underage, just undersized. With over 3 billion people in China, it’s statistically possible to find 7 girls who are genetically disposed to be tiny and develop more slowly. This is why they get picked at age 3 and sent to the elite gymnastics academies. Even though Chinese are generally short, with that large a population it isn’t hard to find enough 7-foot men to field a basketball team either. That’s why I have always expected that someday China would dominate every sport it wants to, especially as long as it has a totalitarian government that rewards and coerces families to put their children into sports programs at early ages.

rockmom on August 13, 2008 at 12:59 PM

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