Ultimate ChiCom chicanery: Gold-medal gymnasts are underage? Update: More cheating?

posted at 11:55 am on August 13, 2008 by Allahpundit

There’s really no doubt about it and no one’s much pretending that there is. If the photos don’t convince you, read the NYT or LAT or listen to NPR and you’ll find them all citing the fact that records available online show some of the girls to be no older than 14, two years younger than the cut-off for the competition. And frankly, even that seems a stretch. From the Times:

“One of the girls has a missing tooth,” [U.S. coordinator Martha] Karolyi said, suggesting that the gymnast was so young that she lost a baby tooth and had yet to have a permanent one emerge…

Half of the team — He Kexin, Yang Yilin, Jiang Yuyuan — would be under age, according to online sports registration lists in China. The international gymnastics federation, however, said those gymnasts were eligible and that the ages on their passports were correct…

Because China and the United States competed on the same events each rotation, it was easier to notice differences in their body types. The Chinese gymnasts lack curves, have an average height of 4 feet 9 inches and weigh an average of 77 pounds. Deng is the smallest, at 4-6 and 68 pounds. The women on the United States team, generally more muscular and shapely than the Chinese, are an average of 3 ½ inches taller and 30 pounds heavier.

The event in which the Chinese blew the U.S. team away? The uneven bars — perfectly suited, per NPR’s reporter, for smaller, lighter girls. So egregious is this fraud, in fact, that even NBC’s not shying away from it. Watch the exchange below with Bela Karolyi, former U.S. coach and Martha’s husband, talking about how easy it would be for the Chinese to doctor the passports they’re citing as evidence of the girls’ age. The Olympics committee has washed its hands of the matter, declaring they accept the passports as legitimate lest they offend the host, so toss this alongside the 1972 basketball final as another example of a famously corrupt organization looking the other way at malfeasance to accommodate a politically palatable end.

Update: Some of the complaints about cheating are bound to be sour grapes, but drink this in.


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or claiming that you think women who look like they’re 10 is normal. You know, something that you never said. Makes you wonder.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Sorry to twist your words. I certainly wasn’t trying to claim you’d said exactly that (though I’m not sure how my words are offensive and completely out of line with what you said) only that in this thread you’ve talked repeatedly about how young Asian women look, repeatedly. It’s really no wonder someone called you on it, asking if you were an expert.

That’s it. Nothing to get upset over.

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 4:05 PM

madmonkphotog on August 13, 2008 at 3:56 PM

First of all, your myspace page rocks.

Do you reject technological advances in photography?

The Race Card on August 13, 2008 at 4:08 PM

At least that’s what I’ve seen.

catmman on August 13, 2008 at 3:55 PM

They’re pulling golds in weight lifting and shooting too. And on diving (judged event) the Chinese are amazingly dominant. The big deal here is the gymnasts ages, not the event judging.

BadgerHawk on August 13, 2008 at 4:10 PM

catmman –
“In events which are head to head (those which don’t count on a panel of “Judges”), the Chinese are barely competitive. In events where there is a panel, they are doing extremely well.”

Uh, no.

China has won 6 golds in “judged” events but 10 in ‘non-judged” events
China is in the top ten in swimming medals,
2nd place in its pool in women’s volleyball,
middle of the pack in men’s volleyball,
men’s beach volleyball team is 2-0
one women’s volleyball team is 3-0, the other 2-0
Basketball men: 0-2 women 2-1

Clearly you haven’t been watching much.

Dave Rywall on August 13, 2008 at 4:11 PM

Uh oh, Dave and I are in agreement.

BadgerHawk on August 13, 2008 at 4:12 PM

4 horsemen, rapture, cats dogs living together, etc etc

Dave Rywall on August 13, 2008 at 4:19 PM

China is in the top ten in swimming medals

With two.

someone on August 13, 2008 at 4:21 PM

No kidding. Just so we get on the proper sides of the fence, I responded to you earlier that Jones was cheating as an individual. The case of the gymnasts is institutionalized cheating by the Chinese government. There’s a big difference.

Ok, I’m feeling better.

BadgerHawk on August 13, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Being more modest than humble, I don’t stare at and kiss myself. However, I do steal many fleeting and qui[e]t adoring glances of myself every few minutes.

The Race Card on August 13, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Redeeming value spotted in bolded section :)

You’re a funny clever man. One of these days, when we have one row of teeth missing, one of us the upper, the other the lower row, we’ll meet to philosophize about worldly and human nature things. We’ll walk on the beach and one of us, the one with the upper row missing, will say “it’s raining into my mouth”. The other, with the lower row missing will reply “it’s not raining into mine”. But, we’ll carry on, we’ll reminisce, and it will be fun.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Welllllll, it is somewhat true that Jones was technically an individual versus the (probable) underage gymnasts put forth by the Chinese. But she ran with and under the scrutiny of national coaches who had to know. America has a bit of a reputation in international track and field for shenanigans.

All western nations play the same dodge the drug test/mask the drug use game. Not to the frankenstein lengths of the eastern European (institutionalized) craziness of the 70′s and 80′s, but the cheating is there in the west nonetheless. While Marion Jones got caught, there are tons of western athletes who haven’t been. Yet.

Dave Rywall on August 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM

This has to suck for them. They are only 10 years old and will never do anything better than this in life. This is their brass ring.

Tim Burton on August 13, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Welllllll, it is somewhat true that Jones was technically an individual versus the (probable) underage gymnasts put forth by the Chinese. But she ran with and under the scrutiny of national coaches who had to know. America has a bit of a reputation in international track and field for shenanigans.

Marion Jones was stripped of her medals and prosecuted, in her own country, no?

BigD on August 13, 2008 at 4:49 PM

The case of the gymnasts is institutionalized cheating by the Chinese government. There’s a big difference.

Ok, I’m feeling better.

BadgerHawk on August 13, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Something like an NCAA team. Perhaps China could lose a chance to compete in women’s gymnastics in the future if the violation this year was serious enough.

dedalus on August 13, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Yes – Jones is stripped and in jail for a 6 month vacation from her bad self.

Dave Rywall on August 13, 2008 at 5:16 PM

My daughter doesn’t know about age rules or institutionalized cheating…and she piped up last night and said: “Wow, those girls are MY age and they are in the Olympics!”

She’s 9.

From the mouth of a child: the emperor has no clothes.

This arguing over pre-pubescent breasts and curves and sour grapes and floor routines and beams has nothing to do with the very obvious fact that those are little girls (and therefore illegal contenders).

Anyone with eyes can see it. Those girls are underage. It’s against the rules. They are on international competitive rosters with ages at least two to four years younger than their new “passports”. China falsified their passports because they did not have LEGAL contenders who could win gold. The IOC is abetting the cheating.

Everything else is peripheral.

Who’s surprised? China lip-synched the little girl who was supposed to sing the anthem because she had buck teeth and wasn’t a perfect Chinese specimen. They admit that. They fauxed the coverage of their opening ceremony. They admit that. They are fauxing the sparse audience to make the games looks more exciting and successful than they are and to appease gypped sponsors. They admit that.

With few exceptions, these games are a total farce.

Redhead Infidel on August 13, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Me thinks that the IOC and the UN must be cut from the same cloth

SilverStar830 on August 13, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Top Medal Winners by country:

CNTRY G S B Ttl
1 CHN 17 5 5 27
2 USA 10 8 11 29

Anything look suspicious to you?

Sultry Beauty on August 13, 2008 at 5:52 PM

BTW ~ Most of those US medals are being won by ONE person that ALL EYES are on. If you’re playing badminton, volleyball, boxing, archery, or shooting, no one really notices if you don’t get the calls now do they?

Sultry Beauty on August 13, 2008 at 5:53 PM

Anything look suspicious to you?

Sultry Beauty on August 13, 2008 at 5:52 PM

No.

BTW ~ Most of those US medals are being won by ONE person that ALL EYES are on.

Sultry Beauty on August 13, 2008 at 5:53 PM

China’s received 7 medals in weightlifting, 6 in archery, 6 in shooting and 1 in fencing. Those are all fairly ‘individual events’. The big deal here is China faking documents to have underage kids compete.

Focus, people.

BadgerHawk on August 13, 2008 at 6:03 PM

I believe them; my wife is asian and she looks 1/3 her true age. She’s 4’10″ and 103 pounds, flawless skin, she wears a size 16 kids …and this is after two kids.

I have 2 neices who look just like those little chinese gym rats, and they are almost 15.

Alden Pyle on August 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM

To everyone who is trying to defend China in this farce, just emeber that they are COMMUNISTS. They lie, that’s what they do. Skunks stink, French surrender, and Communists lie.

Don Carne on August 13, 2008 at 6:31 PM

I swear – she looked 14!

uptight on August 13, 2008 at 6:46 PM

I’m really surprised they don’t have weight classes for gymnastics. That’d solve a lot of probs.

Iblis on August 13, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Good point. The advantage isn’t age but body type. A girl of 18 who was 4’8″ and 73 lbs would have the same advantage of physics on the uneven bars. Perhaps the Chinese girls were young or perhaps they were genetic oddities–with 1.3B people the government has a lot of “unusual” body types to choose from.

It will be interesting over the next few decades to see how sporting organizations handle gene therapies that can cure chronic illnesses but also provide a physical advantage. Science will challenge our notions of what counts as fair in atheletic competitions.

dedalus on August 13, 2008 at 7:45 PM

While the Chinese appear under age,
somebody needs to test the mens (chicom)
gymnastics for steriods!

canopfor on August 13, 2008 at 7:55 PM

It’s China, of course they are cheating.

cannonball on August 13, 2008 at 8:11 PM

It’s China, of course they are cheating.

Sure, they butcher dissidents,
torture Christians,
imprison Falun Gong members,
convict 99.9% of those tried for executable crimes,
sell the bodies of the executed for medical parts,
bully Taiwan,
brutalize Tibet,
& badger any of their people who think outside the box,
but I really thought they’d draw the line at cheating!

jgapinoy on August 13, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Anything look suspicious to you?
Sultry Beauty on August 13, 2008 at 5:52 PM

BTW ~ Most of those US medals are being won by ONE person that ALL EYES are on.
Sultry Beauty on August 13, 2008 at 5:53 PM
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You are 100% clueless. Please try to keep up.

Dave Rywall on August 13, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Dave is calling someone else clueless. Thats amusing.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 11:31 PM

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 11:31 PM

My bad earlier. I didn’t know about your condition.
I now know that it is out of your control.

At times like this, we often ask ourselves or our God “Why?” In this case, Newton gives us hints to why you really are stuck on stupid.

The Race Card on August 14, 2008 at 12:58 AM

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 4:36 PM

You had me at “It’s raining into my mouth.”

The Race Card on August 14, 2008 at 1:22 AM

The thing is….can anyone accept the Chinese winning
anything without controversy?

dec5 on August 14, 2008 at 2:01 AM

And I don’t care who wins the medals, I still say that western athletes from free nations are still better than those that come from places such as China.

The Chinese take these kids at three, throw them into a life-camp for ten years and indoctrinate them about one sport. The kids see their families twice a year, the bills are paid by the government and the only expectation is that they produce medals for the politburo to crow about.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 12:06 PM

And they have to cheat by sending in underaged girls because that kind of rigorous training from such a young age leaves most of their female gymnastics athletes crippled and discarded by age 16.

funky chicken on August 14, 2008 at 2:11 AM

Update: Some of the complaints about cheating are bound to be sour grapes, but drink this in.

Anything with “human judging” is NOT a sport..

Until they get the human judging element out of it, it will be “ice skating”(which isn’t a sport)

Only events that can be won without the aid of judges can be ruled “real sports”

race Swimming(Sport)
bicycle racing(Sports)
running (Sports)
volleyball (Sport)<–could be influenced by bad refs/calls..
softball (Sport) <–could be influenced by bad refs/calls..
baseball (Sport) <–could be influenced by bad refs/calls..
water polo (Sport) <–could be influenced by bad refs/calls…
soccer (Sport) <–could be influenced by bad refs/calls..
basketball (Sport) <–could be influenced by bad refs/calls..
tennis (Sport) <–could be influenced by bad refs/calls..
weightlifting (Sport)
all track & field, shot put,javlin, discus, long jump, high jump (ALL sports)

———–

NOT SPORTS in the Olympics

Anything where judges are an over bearing factor in the outcome.

Gymnastics (All of them, NOT sports)
Diving, synchronized diving etc. (NOT Sports)

Chakra Hammer on August 14, 2008 at 3:14 AM

NOT SPORTS in the Olympics

Anything where judges are an over bearing factor in the outcome.

Oh sorry i wanted to add another one to the list..

Boxing (Not a Sport in the Olympics) <–total fraud, not even worth watching and I love boxing.

Chakra Hammer on August 14, 2008 at 3:20 AM

Anything with “human judging” is NOT a sport..

Until they get the human judging element out of it, it will be “ice skating”(which isn’t a sport)

Only events that can be won without the aid of judges can be ruled “real sports”

Anything with humans athletes will be questioned…even a race judged by a machine.

And Ice skating is a sport…the judging is just political.

dec5 on August 14, 2008 at 3:27 AM

If only non-judged sports are “real” than strike swimming. In 2004 a French judge tried to keep Piersol from getting his gold and I’ll always fume over Kitajima winning one of the breaststroke races using, at the time, an illegal dolphin-kick. There were judges there that judged that he should keep the gold.

Oh, and I’d call referees “judges”, too, not exactly the same, but they issue “judgements”, too.

IMO, gymnastics and figure skating are “real” sports because one can get oneself killed doing those.

Aslans Girl on August 14, 2008 at 6:29 AM

dec5?! Is that you from the MKF? Too cool seeing you here!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on August 14, 2008 at 6:32 AM

Meant to add umpires to my 6:29am post, darn it!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on August 14, 2008 at 6:33 AM

I believe them; my wife is asian and she looks 1/3 her true age. She’s 4′10″ and 103 pounds, flawless skin, she wears a size 16 kids …and this is after two kids.

I have 2 neices who look just like those little chinese gym rats, and they are almost 15.

Alden Pyle on August 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM

Who is it you “believe”? what is the legal age to compete? 16? Doesn’t that kinda make Allah’s Point? “Almost 15″ is 14… which is the age these kids are accused of being (which is illegal).

BadBrad on August 14, 2008 at 6:57 AM

Oh yea Alden… my wife is Korean and she still looks like a women. google “Tanner stages”. My mother was an olympic gymnast and my family has been involved in the sport for the better part of 50 years. The sport internationally is very corrupt, but it’s usually just judging complaints… this on the other hand, is pretty in your face, much like the soviet basketball game in the early 70′s (aren’t the US silver medals in that still sitting somewhere unclaimed).

BadBrad on August 14, 2008 at 7:02 AM

The Olympics committee has washed its hands of the matter, declaring they accept the passports as legitimate lest they offend the host,

Funny, they never seem to worry about offending the host when the games are in a western nation.

Gwillie on August 14, 2008 at 7:23 AM

Cold War Memories

Gwillie on August 14, 2008 at 7:24 AM

Chakra Hammer –

Are you just a sport hater? Or just not know anything about sport?
I guess they should disband the NBA and NFL because there are refs?
Your definition of sport is entirely irrelevant.

But do you even watch the Olympics?
So who are these “judges” for all these sports that “could be influenced by bad refs/calls”? You’re not so stupid as to believe they all come from China, are you? If not, and I hope not, then how is the fix in? Why does a gymnastics judge from Paraguay fix it for the Chinese? Or a Belgian volleyball ref? I cannot WAIT for you answer.

Dave Rywall on August 14, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Dammit Dave, you’re screwing up my worldview.

Gymnastics is becoming the new ice skating, though. This new scoring system is garbage. Why does vault have the highest starting values, when it has the fewest oppourtunities to screw up? A japenese guy lost his momentum and came to a stop on the horse last night (but never fell off) and his execution was below 9 with an overall in the 13s. A korean gymnast LANDED out of bounds and took two steps on his landing on vault and he scores a 9.15 on execution with an overall score still above 15.

Another example. Artimov’s horse routine is so far above any other gymnast in style and difficulty. The guy is practically break dancing on the thing, yet his starting value is on a couple tenths higher than other competitors. Compare that to the Chinese guy’s rings routing, which is absolutely amazing and gets a starting value way higher than other competitors because of it.

Gymnastics is great to watch but the scoring is just too subjective, expecially under the new crazy math system.

BadgerHawk on August 14, 2008 at 9:26 AM

Of course, all we look at is the medal table, and you’d be forgiven for thinking that the US, Russia & China are the dog’s bollocks when it comes to sport.

Bullsh*t

The US, Russia & China are confederations of states. The Olympics matches countries against near continents and calls it fair?!

With all the wealth, varied landscapes and huge population that the US, China & Russia have to draw on, how are poxy, little countries like Belgium, Chad or Paraguay supposed to compete?

Level playing field, my arse.

All us pissant Euro-trash countries (with poor medal tallies), would look a lot more impressive if we all joined the together as “Europe”. But since we all hate each other, that isn’t going to happen.

Another solution would be to force the US, Russian Fed, China, Australia, the UK and any other grouping to split into their individual states.

That way we could see Georgia play Georgia, Wales play New South Wales and Mexico play New Mexico.

Of course my country (England) would lose the valuable contribution of Scotland and Wales, but I’m pretty sure we could kick Wisconsin’s arse at badminton.

Regional heats could ensure that the Olympics isn’t drowning in competitors from both Trinidad AND Tobago and every new tiny little state from Sth Dakota to Siberia.

uptight on August 14, 2008 at 9:36 AM

I’ve always thought there was something a little creepy about “womens” (actually pre-pubescent girls) gymnastics.

flenser on August 14, 2008 at 10:06 AM

gymnastics and figure skating are “real” sports because one can get oneself killed doing those.

You can get killed driving to work. Doesn’t make it a sport.

flenser on August 14, 2008 at 10:08 AM

uptight on August 14, 2008 at 9:36 AM

Hey, we let all of our good boxers go when Puerto Rico Competes on its own :)

Squid Shark on August 14, 2008 at 10:11 AM

my wife is asian

Seems like a strangely high number of people here with Asian wives.

Is open-borders mania anything more than the adolescent male desire for exotic nookie? Discuss.

flenser on August 14, 2008 at 10:12 AM

Easy there, uptight.

Europe has 4 of the top 10 medal counts. And if population was that important India and Indonesia would be awesome.

Plus, think of the hero’s welcome Mongolia’s gold medal judo champion receives when he goes home. Do you really want to rain on that parade by making it so they win 10 or 12 medals? What an ass…

BadgerHawk on August 14, 2008 at 10:12 AM

flenser on August 14, 2008 at 10:06 AM

None of our girls are pre-pubescent, just tiny.

Squid Shark on August 14, 2008 at 10:12 AM

America has a bit of a reputation in international track and field for shenanigans.

You are an incorrigible bigot, Rywall. America has no more of a reputation for “shenanigans” than does your own country. Of course you’re so po-mo, you probably don’t regard yourself as having a country.

flenser on August 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM

Is open-borders mania anything more than the adolescent male desire for exotic nookie? Discuss.

flenser on August 14, 2008 at 10:12 AM

One Hispanic girlfriend was enough to suit my needs.

If I wanted to be abused, I would marry someone who didnt speak Spainish when she was mad at me, like an Irish Girl (which I did)

Squid Shark on August 14, 2008 at 10:15 AM

You are an incorrigible bigot, Rywall. America has no more of a reputation for “shenanigans” than does your own country. Of course you’re so po-mo, you probably don’t regard yourself as having a country.

flenser on August 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM
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Just stating the facts in the track and field world. So sorry that upsets you. I already stated that the communist countries had frankenstein programs. What more do you want? I’m not bringing up Marion Jones to rub anyone’s face in it – I’m doing it to bi*ch about the state of world sport. So get over yourself.

Canada had the as*hole Ben Johnson in 88 and a snowboarder who had pot in his system but still won the gold medal. Yeah, we’re right up there with East Germany and America for juiced up athletes. I

Dave Rywall on August 14, 2008 at 10:22 AM

Gymnastics is great to watch but the scoring is just too subjective, expecially under the new crazy math system.

BadgerHawk on August 14, 2008 at 9:26 AM
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I think the majority of gymnasts and coaches (and fans) hate the new scoring system. Nobody’s used to it yet and it seems to be fu*ked up and inconsistent here and there. It’s unfortunate that they’re working the kinks out on the fly at the Olympics.

Dave Rywall on August 14, 2008 at 10:25 AM

Just stating the facts in the track and field world.

Your worthless feelings are not “facts”, my dear lefty. The all time winners in the “juiced-up” athletics department were the former communist countries, many of whose women (to say nothing of the men) had facial hair and deep voices.

But you’d not be a lefty if you gave a damn about mere facts, would you?

flenser on August 14, 2008 at 10:29 AM

Again, I already stated my contempt for the frankenstein programs of the 70′s and 80′s of the communist countries. So, sorry to bog you down with facts.

And it’s not my fault you know nothing about the track and field world.

Dave Rywall on August 14, 2008 at 10:45 AM

I think the more compelling question is why an activity in which being 12 years old actually constitutes a physical advantage should be considered a “sport” in the first place. You don’t see this problem on the men’s gymnastics side because the events actually require post-pubescent muscle development. “Women’s” gymnastics has always been a farce.

Blacklake on August 14, 2008 at 11:18 AM

My daughter doesn’t know about age rules or institutionalized cheating…and she piped up last night and said: “Wow, those girls are MY age and they are in the Olympics!”

She’s 9.

From the mouth of a child: the emperor has no clothes.

Redhead Infidel on August 13, 2008 at 5:24 PM

I think you have a point. Last Sunday, we were dining at a Texas Roadhouse in Victoria, on our way home from Houston. I couldn’t avoid the flat screens at the bar, where you could watch the Olympics unfold. When I saw those gymnast girls from China, I kept thinking… “They are WAAAAAY too young to be there!”

Those girls look my niece’s age (10). No matter how short in stature, their physical appearance and quality are those of “tweens”. Fourteen? My rear-end! I’ve seen Junior Girl Scouts who look like them – yes: Chinese-American girls!

My husband insists “that’s the way Asian girls develop”, but I don’t buy it. Something stinks to heaven about all this. If Bela Karolyi has noticed it and sounded the alarm, we should listen: he has seen shenanigans before in Communist countries. It is such a shame that we have forgotten how Communists act and all they do to get what they want.

No wonder I decided not to watch the Olympics at home!

newton on August 14, 2008 at 11:35 AM

The Olympics is too elitist anyway. Ordinary people don’t get a look in.

There should be an Olympics for normal people. 200 meters Shopping, the “getting up before 11 on Sunday”, freestyle GTA IV – that sort of thing.

Also, I think it is to the detriment of sport that performance enhancing drugs are banned. I mean the clue is in the name PERFORMANCE ENHANCING. If we’ve gotta watch this crap every day, then we might as well watched an “enhanced performance”.

Okay – it’s not fair on those that don’t want to take drugs, so let them take part in a separate Olympics.

We could have the Clean Olympics and the Juiced Olympics. I know which one I’d rather watch. The one with the 2 foot, growth-inhibited Chinese girls. The one with the mustachioed 30 stone Russian woman shot putter, who hurls her orb out of the stadium. The one where Michael Johnson can run the marathon in 45 minutes.

cool.

uptight on August 14, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Plus, think of the hero’s welcome Mongolia’s gold medal judo champion receives when he goes home.

wouldn’t he be in the special Olympics?

uptight on August 14, 2008 at 11:41 AM

I actually looked it up before I typed it. He’s a Mongolian gold medal judo champ. Don’t rain on his parade, I beg you.

BadgerHawk on August 14, 2008 at 11:54 AM

dec5?! Is that you from the MKF? Too cool seeing you here!

-Aslan’s Girl

:lol Hey, Aslan’s Girl! Great to see you here too! :)
So cool to see a fellow MKF person on other sites..:)

And yes I am at another “Michelle” site..(Malkin that is :) )

dec5 on August 14, 2008 at 1:16 PM

The proof is starting to trickle out – documentation of one of the gymnasts being underage…

Let the Chinese denials and huff puffery begin:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-flumenbaum/scandal-of-the-ages-docum_b_118842.html

Dave Rywall on August 14, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Chakra Hammer -

Are you just a sport hater? Or just not know anything about sport?
I guess they should disband the NBA and NFL because there are refs?
Your definition of sport is entirely irrelevant.

But do you even watch the Olympics?
So who are these “judges” for all these sports that “could be influenced by bad refs/calls”? You’re not so stupid as to believe they all come from China, are you? If not, and I hope not, then how is the fix in? Why does a gymnastics judge from Paraguay fix it for the Chinese? Or a Belgian volleyball ref? I cannot WAIT for you answer.

Dave Rywall on August 14, 2008 at 8:52 AM

I’m just saying that GAME could be effected by the outcome of the ref or umpire with a bad call(that happens all the time, who knows if its political or just a bad call, I still count those as “Sports” vollyball, softball etc.. )

However a “real sport” would be one that a jude really has no effect on like say weightlifting or running or race swimming(not synchronized swimming that isn’t a sport), track & field sports are all not really heavily dependant upon judges more so on technology i.e. the start(don’t get disqualified)

Chakra Hammer on August 14, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Realistically, what are we going to do about this? Cut her open and count the rings?

ErikTheRed on August 14, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Dave Rywall on August 14, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Pfft.

The girls had scans of their birth certifcates suddenly appear on Kos just after they won the medal. They were all born in Hawaii and they’re all in their 40′s.

progressoverpeace on August 14, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Like he’d know.

uptight on August 14, 2008 at 4:49 PM

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