Team Obama blames Georgia on McCain?
posted at 10:04 am on August 13, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Susan Rice wanders far out of reality in her appearance on Hardball last night. Desperate to salvage Barack Obama’s feckless response to the Russian invasion of Georgia, his senior foreign-policy adviser said that John McCain’s strong response may have “complicated” the situation in the Caucasus. With Russian tanks and airplanes slamming into apartment houses in Gori, that would have taken some kind of wordsmithing:
John McCain shot from the hip, [with a] very aggressive, very belligerent statement …He may or may not have complicated the situation.
I understand that Rice wants to spin this for Obama, but even this is flat-out ridiculous. McCain didn’t “shoot from the hip” — unlike Obama, he actually knew the situation and understood its implications. In fact, one need look no further for confirmation of this than Obama’s later statements, in which he agreed with McCain’s original statement on the subject.
Obama’s campaign seems to agree with this. Richard Holbrooke, another of Obama’s 300 foreign policy advisers, told CNN that Obama and McCain agree on the response to Georgia, and that the Bush administration was “behind the curve”. Actually, the Bush admistration heightened its response before the Obama campaign did. Besides, which is it? Did McCain get it right, or did Obama get it wrong later?
Other critics have derided McCain’s supposed “saber rattling” and said calm diplomacy is what was needed. I’d suggest they read McCain’s statements again. Nowhere in them does he hint at retaliatory American military action, but instead suggests strong diplomatic and economic consequences for Russia’s invasion of a sovereign democracy. Guess what? That is diplomacy, and a lot more effective than condemning the victim of the invasion at the same time as the invader himself.
Besides, it seems the definition of obtuseness in accusing McCain of “saber rattling” while Russian tanks rolled all over northern Georgia. Who’s rattling the saber, and in fact using it to kill hundreds of civilians?
Barack Obama apparently doesn’t understand the full range of diplomacy, nor did he have a clue as to the situation in Georgia. He wasn’t prepared to handle this crisis, as his first statements showed. John McCain understands Russia better than most people in Washington, and had diagnosed Russian intentions in the Caucasus and elsewhere years before Russian tanks rolled across the border into Georgia. Blaming McCain for getting it right represents a new low in desperation from Team Obama, especially while at the same time praising Obama for finally catching up to McCain.
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Seems the ones who count…the Georgian people…have a better grip on all of this than Susan Rice.
coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Wow. I’m surprised didn’t call McCain “racist” while she was at it. Geesh…..
/sarc
New rule: The Messiah shalt not be bothered with international crises whilst he is on vacation.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 10:09 AM
Susan Rice is such a tool.
TooTall on August 13, 2008 at 10:10 AM
It’s hard to “shoot from the hip” when you know what the f**k you are talking about. What did the other 299 advisers have to say?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 10:10 AM
A microcosm of the folly of a bankrupt campaign starring Hussein Obama.
saved on August 13, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Obama’s process: 1) make bone-headed first statement that shows lack of understanding , but sounds “good” 2) change position to match the opinion of someone who does know. 3) throw someone under the bus.
bbz123 on August 13, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Why Ed, I’m surprised at you! OF COURSE McCain complicated the situation! See, he said something different than what Obama declared. If everybody would stop saying things contradictory from what THE ONE asserts, it would be ever so much simpler. All this pesky dissension must end!
radjah shelduck on August 13, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Hey, if Islamic terrorists killing 3,000 Americans didn’t bother them much, why should this?
BigD on August 13, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Well, can’t Sen.Obama just issue another statement?
dish on August 13, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Even this morning the norally reliably left wing John Roberts of CNN noted that it took Obama three times to get to a credible position.
drjohn on August 13, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Susan Rice is flat out an ignoramus. If she were a man she would be laughed off the stage for the kind of bullshit she has spouted in this campaign. She is an embarrassment to women. I notice that nobody but MSNBC will put her on the air anymore.
rockmom on August 13, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Can’t George Clooney help them out with this crisis? He’s got so much foreign policy experience setting up those offshore fundraisers.
JammieWearingFool on August 13, 2008 at 10:16 AM
And here I thought you were going to disucss this article -
Georgia war is a neocon election ploy
Skywise on August 13, 2008 at 10:16 AM
I think Ms. Rice had a difficult job, trying to make Obama sound intelligent.
National security issues even seem to be outside the comptence of the many advisors Obama has accumulated. They needed to see McCain’s answer, realize nothing else fit the situation, and then find a way to spin their show of incompetence.
Right_of_Attila on August 13, 2008 at 10:17 AM
I think when Obama’s team says ’shoot from the hip’, what they are trying to say is ’stand up for what is right, instead of rolling over in submission’ - but I could be wrong…
Think_b4_speaking on August 13, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Olby said the same thing on his “show” last night.
Methinks we may be seeing “better living through chemistry” manifested here.
These people have got to be on something.
Corky on August 13, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Words just Words
MSGTAS on August 13, 2008 at 10:18 AM
The Obama camp is getting very very nervous.
Their man DOES NOT WEAR WELL.
jake-the-goose on August 13, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Under the bus Susan.
Immediately
iam7545 on August 13, 2008 at 10:19 AM
That’s right, all that matters is they keep their “eye on the prize” - global socialism.
kirkill on August 13, 2008 at 10:19 AM
And the Giants may or may not repeat in the SB.
And it may or may not get to 110 in Palm Desert today.
And I may or may not have beef for lunch.
And George Clooney may or may not be a wetawd.
Akzed on August 13, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Thank God Obama defused the situation by getting the Russian president to agree(and I use the word agree rather loosely) to his ceasefire.
Darth Executor on August 13, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Ed. It is becoming increasingly clear that the Obama fad has peaked. It’s obvious that some of his public supporters are aware. What does the post-Obama world look like?
Will there be any challenge to his nomination at the convention? Is Hillary Clinton out of the picture this year?
JiangxiDad on August 13, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Wait a minute…yesterday it was reported that the words of Obama STOPPED the Russians dead in their tracks from advancing…so why doesn’t Obama simply speak again? Isn’t that how it works? The world waits, the Great One speaks, and peace and harmony is again restored to the land. [queue unicorns and rainbows] /sarc off
The problem with this is that Obama really believes it. How many more innocent people would die in a situation like this if he were actually in charge? The rest of the world KNOWS he will sit idly and do nothing once he’s offered just words, just speeches.
JustTruth101 on August 13, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Shameless Liars.
marklmail on August 13, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Will you people stop saying Uuuuuuhbama has 300 foreign policy advisers? Everybody knows he has 301. Don’t forget, he just signed up George Clooney to advise him on middle east policy.
thekingtut on August 13, 2008 at 10:22 AM
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I am cautiously optimistic.
Think_b4_speaking on August 13, 2008 at 10:24 AM
It was the pulled out of his a$$, very very confused statement of shadow President Obama “who may or may not have complicated the situation.”
God, I love that “may or may not”. What a bunch of “just asking questions” maroons the Dems have become.
Dusty on August 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Everyone knows that the Ruskies are gettin’ all their business done before The Great And Glorious Leader (May He Live Forever) takes office for the next 8 or 9 years because once he’s crowned they will be on super duper double secret extra probation…
sabbott on August 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Don’t assume that Hillary would have handled this any better than Obama has. What does she know about Georgia? Who would have spoken for her on this, Sandy Berger?
The Obama campaign really needs to practice the old adage - sometimes it is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
rockmom on August 13, 2008 at 10:26 AM
WOW, just wow. There are actual humans (evolved from grApes) that will believe anything force fed them by the San Fran Chronicle.
kirkill on August 13, 2008 at 10:27 AM
The collective left really needs to look up the word diplomacy. They seem to believe it just means talking, as opposed to actually accomplishing anything through those talks. Diplomacy is soft power, a way to get what you want without resorting to military force.
I know they’re all caught up in this whole idea of the world loving Obama so much that they’ll play nice just because he talks to them, but in the real world you need to have some diplomatic punishments available to actually get the job done.
BadgerHawk on August 13, 2008 at 10:27 AM
The Obamassiah needs to go back to Saturday Night Live. It’s clear he’s one of the Not Ready for Prime Time Players.
rbj on August 13, 2008 at 10:27 AM
JWF @ 10:16AM: Mr. CLOONEY is tied up on MID-EAST advice… “A mans got to know his limitations”. Quote DIRTY HARRY… I heard almost the same rant on CAVUTO yesterday, but not quite so STUPID… It must be their talking point DU JOUR… I can recall the comments from the LEFT, and MSM on REAGAN’s “Mr. GORBACHEV, tear down this wall”… I believe he was SHOOTING FROM THE HIP…
pueblo1032 on August 13, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Where’s Clowny and Spicoli when you need them?
jdsmith0021 on August 13, 2008 at 10:29 AM
I have a question about Uuuuuuhbama’s 301 foreign policy advisors. Are they volunteers, or are they being paid? Because if I were the MESSiah, I would want my damn money back, because their advice is worth about as much as, well, the advice of his economic advisers.
thekingtut on August 13, 2008 at 10:33 AM
So, blaming a sitting Senator for a conflict involving a former KGB agent, a puppet government, and a democratic nation is the best Hussein’s team can do?
Sad. Very sad.
madmonkphotog on August 13, 2008 at 10:33 AM
A “very measured and reasoned approach” is the approach that the world’s democracies took with Hitler. No reason that it shouldn’t work just as well with Putin.
McCain said the right things here– “nuance” is not the right approach to take in the face of an attempt by Russia to subjugate a democratic U.S. ally.
morganfrost on August 13, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Keep talking, Susan Rice. Keep talking. You are making a great impact to the democrat party and your chosen one.
(Just not a positive one.) *Shh!* Don’t tell her.
wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 10:36 AM
God, I hope that Hillary fails to steal this nomination from him. For no other reason than to see an empty suit lose in a 50 state landslide.
thekingtut on August 13, 2008 at 10:37 AM
Isn’t this the Same Susan Rice that said Obama and Hillary were not prepared to answer the 3am phone call? Yes it is.
If she is a Senior advisor, I’d hate to see who is on the bench.
Nelsa on August 13, 2008 at 10:38 AM
I think Olby is angling for a cabinet position or perhaps WH press secretary. Watching he and David Gregory fighting for the limelight would be the only entertainment I can imagine from Obama’s presidency.
a capella on August 13, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Ah, yes, the Susan Rice that sat on her hands and argued against any intervention to prevent the horrors in Rwanda.
She already has a lot of blood on her hands in addition to being a complete idiot.
PimFortuynsGhost on August 13, 2008 at 10:39 AM
Wow. That’s weapons-grade stupid right there.
Vic on August 13, 2008 at 10:39 AM
What it all comes down to is “What would Winnie the Pooh” do?
GarandFan on August 13, 2008 at 10:39 AM
That the fad is over, or that Hillary can get the nod, or that the Democrats will be destroyed for several election cycles?
I use HA like the stock market–I want to know what’s coming next. I’d like to know what the post-Obama political scene will look like.
JiangxiDad on August 13, 2008 at 10:42 AM
When his campaign started going unexpectedly well, Obama should have figured out how to lose the nomination (probably the best way would have been to let Michigan and Florida be fully counted, and then to “graciously concede for the good of the party”). He clearly isn’t ready for this yet, and his campaign knows it, and they are stuck trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. (Is that expression racist?)
exhelodrvr on August 13, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Can you imagine what a BO administration would be like?
Looks like the Donks are doing what they do best. Wresting defeat from the jaws of victory…I hope.
ronsfi on August 13, 2008 at 10:43 AM
i love it when ass-clowns say “he may or may not” have caused blah blah blah…
devadevadasa on August 13, 2008 at 10:43 AM
The sad thing is that this event in a foreign country that is a tragedy is being used as a political football here. Who said the best words? OOOOOH - as though that effects the situation at all.
McCain said the better words than Obama. . . because Russia invaded Georgia, McCain should be president. . . after all he said better words. . . we HATE the Ruskies and McCain has hated the Ruskies since before Obama was born. . . so McCain should be president because Russia attacked Georgia HUZZAH!
That’s the sad part of this whole thing. Russia does what they want militarily, and US politicians are taking credit for saying something about it.
ThackerAgency on August 13, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Carrots for our totalitarian enemies and sticks for our allies .
Democrat foreign policy in a nutshell.
Can’t understand what could go wrong with that.
NoDonkey on August 13, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Rove, you magnificent bastard!!
exhelodrvr on August 13, 2008 at 10:45 AM
When the black candidate has to deal with anything beyond the racial issue, he and his staff come off as paper thin in depth.
mylegsareswollen on August 13, 2008 at 10:46 AM
The invasion of Georgia can be laid at-the-feet of Democrats - dating back to Clinton’s Kosovo, i.e. Clinton set the precedent for supporting secessionist groups. Clinton took the side of the secessionists KLA (a Muslim Terrorist group) against the Yugoslav and Russian interests.
Obama has no clue as to what is going on…
Karmi on August 13, 2008 at 10:46 AM
It’s Chris Matthews’ Hardball!
What do you expect from the loons that appear on this show, sensibility?
Get real!
pilamaye on August 13, 2008 at 10:47 AM
HAH! This IS the Susan Rice I thought I knew!
tree hugging sister on August 13, 2008 at 10:48 AM
As though SAAKASHVILI would send thousands of innocents to their death and perhaps sacrifice it’s own sovereignty all just to keep Lord BO from healing the planet. Laughingly delusional.
ronsfi on August 13, 2008 at 10:49 AM
But what would George Cloony do? Time to text the big guns!
becki51758 on August 13, 2008 at 10:49 AM
For all things Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and MSNBC are concerned, When it comes to fawning over Obama and giving a their supporters a platform to spew this kind of BS…
A more appropriate title to replace ‘Hardball’ would more likely be ‘Hardon!’ Or something else referring to ‘Ball.’
wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Does saying McCain “May or may not have complicated the situation” - without proof - mean the same as Obama’s “We won’t know if my ideas on Iraq would have worked because they weren’t implemented” - without proof? Misinformation (or really disinformation) and obfuscation is all the Obama campaign is about.
The Clinton’s have got to be asking “We lost to this clown?”
woodman on August 13, 2008 at 10:54 AM
“Words MEAN things” - Rush Limbaugh
As a guidance towards what a future presidency would or would not do in the same situation these words are very important.
Skywise on August 13, 2008 at 10:54 AM
The fact that Obambi picked her to be on his campaign staff is all you need to know about his judgement.
This woman is a f*cking idiot!!!!
Winebabe on August 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Was Susan Rice on 24 one season?
jake-the-goose on August 13, 2008 at 10:58 AM
I recall someone else mentioned that Obama planned to run for president early, to increase his stature within the party. As in, Former presidential candidate, Barack Obama, (D)-Illinois. Seems like a logical progression for him as he was planning out his career. And there are also many quotes from friends of him saying that he wanted to run for president in the future. I wonder if he even thinks that he’s qualified. Besides the obvious presidential qualities of being lawyer and a community organizer, of course. Does Obama go to sleep every night thinking - “my god, I can’t believe these people actually want me to be president. Because of my speeches!” He’s the political version of the boxing promoter Don King. ‘Only in America.’
I think that the best presidents are the ones who were governors of states. Senators, less so. And that does include McCain, in case anyone was wondering.
wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Yeah in response to military action, they’ll say words of rebuke. I’m sure Putin is shaking in his boots while he destroys an ally of ours. Maybe we just need MORE words to get him to stop. Or maybe we haven’t said the right words.
When is Iran going to be convinced to stop trying to obtain nuclear weapons? Have we not said the right things to them? We certainly told Israel not to actually DO anything because we are saying so many words. We haven’t said enough words yet I guess and that is why there isn’t peace in the world.
ThackerAgency on August 13, 2008 at 11:01 AM
this is amateur night and our nation is going to rue the day this criminally incompetent and negligent cabal won the democratic nomination.
elduende on August 13, 2008 at 11:01 AM
I think the whole Obama problem goes back to his concept of foreign relations, ie ‘Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all be nice.’ The problem isn’t just what he said but his whole philosophy. They’re going to turn themselves inside out explaining the stupid things they believe. What made Bill Clinton successful is he left some of that leftard bullcr*p behind and came center; Obama either hasn’t done that yet, or doesn’t want to; but hard left foreign policy is going to ring a very sour note. Expect more moronic mental gymnastics from his ‘advisors’.
austinnelly on August 13, 2008 at 11:03 AM
RAAAAAACIST!
fossten on August 13, 2008 at 11:06 AM
It’s all part of the left’s worldview that everything at root is our fault.
blue13326 on August 13, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Wow. Did you read the comments??? Holy cr@p.
Miss_Anthrope on August 13, 2008 at 11:07 AM
I was unaware that McCain and Obama had executive powers… Now if Bush decides to take action and congress needs to vote for funding then you can see some action on the part of the candidates.
Skywise on August 13, 2008 at 11:09 AM
the woman is an absolute moron, but fits in quite nicely with the rest of those idiots.
rplat on August 13, 2008 at 11:10 AM
I agree with most of this analysis of the Georgian issue…
http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2008/08/perhaps_they_mi.html
elduende on August 13, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Al Gore may or may not have caused global warming by flying in his private jet preaching about global warming..
Obama’s hand sign may or may not look like an anus..
DaveC on August 13, 2008 at 11:12 AM
For the people who actually believe that “Bush lied” about Iraq and knew about 9/11 before hand, this is just the next logical step in their march away from reality. And now they are off to read more at the daily kos and huffington post.
wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Putin has played GW for the fool and Obama looks worse.
Again, as in the ’surge’, McCain looks more like Churchill in the early days of 1939, ridiculing the British response to another despot.
Barry would do Chamberlain one better than ‘Peace in our Time’ and negotiate away France and the rest of western Europe in the name of diplomacy.
Starlink on August 13, 2008 at 11:15 AM
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The first, emphasized - but your third option is intriguing…
Think_b4_speaking on August 13, 2008 at 11:16 AM
So.
When does she go under the bus?
Mew
acat on August 13, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Not to change the subject, but GW in about an hour will simply say ‘……you are going to damage our relationship and shouldn’t be doing that…..’
Awful, feckless, foreign policy. Where is Reagan when you need him.
Starlink on August 13, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Miss_Anthrope on August 13, 2008 at 11:07 AM
I was more surprised by the total lack of information in the op-ed piece than the comments. I only saw comments that were critical of the writer, justifiably so. Sheer (if I remember correctly) is just way too far out there to be taken seriously. For someone to think that the “neocons” helped start this war, is beyond stupid.
Torch on August 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM
She talking out of her butt, saying things because she can. When Shuster said McCain supporters would disagree with her, she broke into a big smile. Like a kid getting his hand caught in the cookie jar. Is she up for a post in the Obama administration? I hope not when she acts like a political operative.
Paul-Cincy on August 13, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Perhaps we should just nuke Russia now and let it all be over in a blaze of glory?
Sorry, no. Militarily there’s not much we can do. NOT because we’re “overextended” but because tactically there’s no ready access to supply lines to Georgia.
Ukraine on the other hand…
Skywise on August 13, 2008 at 11:24 AM
300 advisers and Baracky still has to take three swings at it before getting it “right”, and even then its a xerox of McCain.
How about dumping the 300 advisers and having a position of your own, Obambo, and how about doing that BEFORE you decide to run for President.
Lightweight.
Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Carrots, sticks.
These morons are unfit to run a Dairy Queen.
In fact, I doubt they could run a lemonade stand.
She’s an idiot.
benrand on August 13, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Democrat does it = calm, reasoned action done in a responsible manner
Republican does it = needlessly rattling sabers and violating the principles of democracy
Defector01 on August 13, 2008 at 11:36 AM
If I’d had a part as large as hers in screwing anything up as badly as Clinton’s Africa policy was screwed up, I’d eat my gun. She’s right up there with Larry Johnson in her tradecraft.
DrSteve on August 13, 2008 at 11:39 AM
What happens when these people don’t have Republicans to blame any longer?
At some point, they’re actually going to have to put their nutty, half-baked “ideas” into action.
Slick speeches will be no help at that point.
NoDonkey on August 13, 2008 at 11:48 AM
What a fool, but the left will fall for it.
allrsn on August 13, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Clunk!
The sound of Obama’s numbers falling again….
PattyJ on August 13, 2008 at 11:51 AM
FACT they can’t run their own congressional restaurant for a profit. We taxpayers are constantly baling out a restaurant for goodness’ sake.
Yes, she and they are idiots.
Mojave Mark on August 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Dummköpfe are indignant.
Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM
I can picture how it all happened. McCain made his statement and the Russian general staff pulled out the plan titled, “McCain Saber Rattling” and dispatched it as orders to the front in Georgia. The general in Georgia called back and said, “Are you crazy? This could lead to World War III” And the general staff replies, “We have no choice. We are totally in the power of the white haired guy. He sets the tone for the civilized world.” And the general at the front asks, “What does the guy with the funny name say?” The general staff replies, “Who cares. They only people who pay attention to him are Germans and Americans without guns.”
snaggletoothie on August 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM
BHO is in way over his head… If this is the kind of crap we’re going to be feed for the next four years then I am moving to AlexBaldwinia. (Formerly San Francisco) At least they don’t hide their intentions like these d-bags.
Claypigeon on August 13, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Frighteningly absurd to suggest that Putin is making tactical considerations based on the speeches of presidential hopefuls.
This underscores the systemic failings of modern American liberalism. Obama et al continue to overly rely on dialog as an end point or substitute for deeper strategic thinking which addresses the desires/needs of our friends and enemies.
Talking facilitates mutual understanding of specific national goals and objectives but if engaged in willy nilly and for the mere sake of talking, it will surely be counter productive.
I think most of us have encountered executives cut from the Obama pattern. Lots of planning meetings, brain storming sessions and flow charts but not a whole lot actually gets done.
moxie_neanderthal on August 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM
LOL, +1 for you as well.
wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Words beget policies. Whose words (and the understanding behind them) when implemented into policy do you prefer?
JonPrichard on August 13, 2008 at 12:40 PM
The strongly worded UN condemnation is due any time now.
France is holding out until the seating arrangement at the Security Council is reformed so that Russia can’t simply reach over and smack the French delegation.
BobMbx on August 13, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Idiot.
Black Adam on August 13, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Why aren’t the Russians afraid of the vaunted “world opinion?”
For that matter, why aren’t the Chinese?
Because world opinion is meaningless. Because if a nation doesn’t have the guts to back up its words, people in power will not take them seriously.
The opiniuon of the man in the street is basically meaningless, except when it comes to electing people who other nations will take seriously.
And they won’t take Obama seriously.
NoDonkey on August 13, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Sergei said it absolutely the best.
Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 1:48 PM
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