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Showdown: Bush sends “humanitarian” aid to Georgia as Russians advance; Update: “This is not 1968,” says Condi; Update: Russians camp along the road to Tbilisi

posted at 3:51 pm on August 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
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President Bush said Wednesday that the Pentagon had begun a “vigorous and ongoing” humanitarian mission to ease the suffering in Georgia, and that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would travel to France and then to Georgia to work for a settlement of the crisis…

Mr. Bush said that a transport plane with medical supplies was already on its way to Georgia, and that American air and naval forces would carry out the aid mission. And he said pointedly that Russia must not interfere with aid arriving in Georgia by air, land or water

However, minutes after Mr. Bush’s comments, President Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia characterized the import of the American aid as “definitely an American military presence” and called it a “turning point.”…

“What I expected specifically from America was to secure our airport and to secure our seaports,” he went on, concluding that the American presence would do so. “The main thing now is that the Georgian Tbilisi airport will be permanently under control.”

Saakashvili is spinning hard to make this look like a U.S. cavalry charge, going so far as to call it a “military-humanitarian operation” and claiming that Georgian ports will now be under U.S. “control.” The Pentagon quickly denied it, although given Bush’s warning to Russia not to interfere with aid, things are going to get mighty dicey if they move on Tbilisi and take the airport. Charles Johnson says he’s hearing news reports that the Russian army’s within 15 miles of the city; I haven’t seen anything like that, although I did see earlier that Russia started moving towards the city before veering off in another direction. As of this morning, Russian troops occupied Gori and others were crossing into South Ossetia; Human Rights Watch claims they’re burning villages in the territory populated by ethnic Georgians.

My reaction to Bush’s announcement was the same as Ace’s, and doubtless what Saakashvili has in mind: They’re going to insert a token American force, a la South Korea, as a “tripwire” that the Russians dare not cross lest it provoke a wider war. Per the emphasis on the mission being purely humanitarian, it sounds like Bush is eager to douse that speculation — but needless to say, if U.S. troops do get caught in the crossfire, it’s anyone’s guess what happens. If you believe the Times, the U.S. brought this all on itself by sending “mixed messages” to Saakashvili that don’t really sound all that mixed. Publicly the administration’s shown consistent solidarity, and privately they’ve made it abundantly clear that he shouldn’t do anything nutty like, er, invade South Ossetia. Assuming that’s true, he’s playing dumb, going on CNN this morning to say he appreciated McCain’s encouraging words yesterday but that words don’t mean much vis-a-vis those all-important deeds they’re counting on.

Well, he’s got some deeds now. Stand by for updates as the Cold War II brinksmanship escalates. Exit quotation: “We understand that this current Georgian leadership is a special project of the United States, but one day the United States will have to choose between defending its prestige over a virtual project or real partnership which requires joint action.”

Update: This warrants the always rare double exit quotation. Sit back, close your eyes, and meditate on this while you run through your mental list of despots, terrorists, and assorted other cretins that Russia’s been selling weapons to for decades:

“Bush’s speech said nothing of how Georgia was armed all these years, including by the United States,” [Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov] said, adding, “We have more than once warned our partners that this is a dangerous game.”

Update: Well, we’re now in a position where one or the other side is going to have to call the other’s bluff or lose face.

Just the position you want to be in with two superpowers armed to the teeth with nukes.

“This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it,” Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said. “Things have changed.”

Update: Putin’s just taunting them now.

“Come with us, beauty, we’re going to Tbilisi!” one of the soldiers bellowed at a photographer in a sleeveless shirt along the road. Other troops grinned and brandished their weapons, and one hung his bare feet out the back of a truck. Another, a machine gunner riding atop an armored vehicle, wore a bandanna and a black T-shirt with the word “Russia” emblazoned in the red, blue and white colors of the national flag.

Asked from the side of the road, the soldiers shouted that their destination was Tbilisi — “With no detours,” one said. But then they veered abruptly into a field about an hour’s drive from the capital and camped conspicuously within sight of the road before the sun went down.

The message was hard to miss: The Russian military is still the landlord in swaths of Georgia, and its forces remain in easy striking distance of the country’s capital.


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Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 5:44 PM

I’m not that concerned about Chavez. He’s a pawn in their game. He speaks loud, but when it comes to action, he’s backed down because he needs the oil revenue to stay in power.

Now, Putin is a different creature. BP has shut down the oil lines going out of Georgia. The larger line out of Georgia was damaged by sabotage not that long ago (Russian influence?) How does that affect Russia? Europe receives a large amount of their oil and natural gas from Russia. With the Georgian lines down, Russia will be all to happy to supply more oil (and thus more $$$ in their his coffers). Russia is gaining a greater strategic position over Europe.

It seems as if Russia is drawing the noose around Georgia…..from Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Something the U.S. military hasn’t experienced in 60+ years…

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 5:45 PM

Are you high, or just incredibly stupid?

World War 2.
Korean Conflict.
Vietnam.
Iraq 1 and 2.
The Balkans.

And many more…I’m guessing the latter by your continued jibes against “conservatives”.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Alphie, we’ve kicked Russia’s ass every other time we’ve fought in the last century. As long as we don’t get all Napoleonic and decide to take Moscow, we should be fine.

Kai on August 13, 2008 at 5:56 PM

….it will be over in 12 hours.

Starlink on August 13, 2008 at 5:48 PM

God, I hope you are not right. I still would like to know why anti-tank missiles were not on board the C-17’s that took the 2,000 (which is in proportion to their population almost as many as we have in Iraq) Georgian troops back from Iraq. I doubt there were many anti-tank weapons in Iraq, but maybe some and in Kuwait and Israel could have “loaned” us some, etc., etc., someplace. Even if the C-17 flights had to be delayed some.

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 5:56 PM

Nope, much more complex than Russian.

Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Indeed. Russian is not complex. The Russian alphabet consists of 33 letters: 21 consonants, 10 vowels, and two letters without sound. Learn them, and you’re exceptions free in readin, speaking, spelling.

The Russian soul, on the ohter hand…

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Kai on August 13, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Beginning to make more sense. This had to be about Iran.

JiangxiDad on August 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Since the end of WWII, the U.S. military has only taken on third world countries that could barely shoot back, Madison.

America is not prepared for casualties in the hundreds of thousands…or an attack on America itself.

(You left Grenada off your list, BTW).

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM

The Americans and their fvcking half measures! The Russians will think they’re serious only if they send planes north of the mountains.

Kralizec on August 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM

S/b “reading”, dang…

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM

They might actually shoot back.

Something the U.S. military hasn’t experienced in 60+ years…

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 5:53 PM

Tells me all I need to know about you.

You just crapped upon thousands of veterans, living and dead, who have fought and died since 1948.
I know, you are one of the token trolls here but once you defile the honor and sacrifice given by so many, you have crossed the line.

carbon_footprint on August 13, 2008 at 5:59 PM

God, I hope you are not right. I still would like to know why anti-tank missiles were not on board the C-17’s that

took the 2,000 (which is in proportion to their population almost as many as we have in Iraq) Georgian troops back from Iraq. I doubt there were many anti-tank weapons in Iraq, but maybe some and in Kuwait and Israel could have “loaned” us some, etc., etc., someplace. Even if the C-17 flights had to be delayed some.

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 5:56 PM

Would the US need ATGs in Iraq ? probably not no reason to have them in stock

The US has a history of using surrogates. Look for the Israelis to send in a lot of goods

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 5:59 PM

Kai on August 13, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Unless things have changed a lot in the last few years French planes do not operate off U.S.carriers. The only foreign planes I ever saw operating off U.S. carriers belonged to the U.S.Marines.

Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 5:59 PM

[Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 5:25 PM]

Gog and magog generally, or do you think Georgia at this time means something else is up sooner than we expect?

Dusty on August 13, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Look this isnt going to escalate. Putin will have his troops stand down and play the long game.

Im betting its the locals who want ot push to Tbilisi. The Otessians want to expand and seize all they can. I think the Georgians can handle them.

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 6:00 PM

I get a chuckle from all the tough talkin’ chickenhwaks here, too, ent.

It’s one thing to roll into a few third world countries and take on some goatherders.

Russia, OTOH, will bite.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 5:53 PM

About 5,000 American troops have died fighting the “goatherders”. I doubt that many would have to die to stop the Russians from enslaving Georgia, not if our Air Force and Navy joined in and we furnished the Georgians with the right stuff.

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 6:01 PM

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Did you happen to catch the brinksmanship discussion on one of the threads late a couple of nights ago?

Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 6:04 PM

For the most part…Russia has better planes than the USAF and Navy, MB4.

No safe magic wand this time…

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 6:06 PM

Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 5:59 PM

After looking at that link, it seems to blow some things out of proportion. Supposedly France’s carrier is in drydock and the Rafale’s are on loan. I am, now, thinking this is an exaggeration on the part of that blogger. ClassicalValues has usually been a straight shooter, but the guy he linked to seems a bit loopy and worried about the ‘neocons’ and their adventures.

Haha @ your Foreign planes comment. You guys still write their paychecks, so it’s still the same family. ;)

Kai on August 13, 2008 at 6:06 PM

The U.S. Army used to have tactical nuclear rounds that could be fired from a 155 howitzer or above. I never got to fire any, of course, but that is what they told us. Maybe some are still left if necessary to take out Russian tank formations, if America enters the “fray” and get’s into trouble.

Maybe I’m getting a little crazy now. No, I don’t think so.

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Did you happen to catch the brinksmanship discussion on one of the threads late a couple of nights ago?

Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 6:04 PM

Been spending a lot of time story hunting so I dont always catch the chat talks sorry

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 6:07 PM

It’s one thing to roll into a few third world countries and take on some goatherders.

Russia, OTOH, will bite.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 5:53 PM

When children discuss the seriousness of war…alphie, I don’t like to fight on an uneven level because it’s not fair, and it’s no fun. Take the afternoon off and do something fun.

Also, please don’t lie to me any longer. I’d rather you state that you’re for this, that, him/her, or the other, and stick to it. I used to adore honora for that. She stuck to he leftie horses. It doesn’t excuse her, and the reason why she was banned, but she did have principles, and stuck to them.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 6:08 PM

Since the end of WWII, the U.S. military has only taken on third world countries that could barely shoot back, Madison.

America is not prepared for casualties in the hundreds of thousands…or an attack on America itself.

(You left Grenada off your list, BTW).

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Well, since 60,000 casualties in Vietnam alone wasn’t enough to make your disrespectful little douchebag you call a head register that we fought people who could “shoot back”, I assumed Grenada would not even count as a military action.

My apologies.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 6:09 PM

For the most part…Russia has better planes than the USAF and Navy, MB4.

No safe magic wand this time…

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 6:06 PM

Destorted beyond belief. You have no clue what they have, and I can’t tell you what we have.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 5:59 PM

Things have changed brother; French Rafales on Truman recently

http://www.patricksaviation.com/photos/SAS73/24960/

elduende on August 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM

alfie is Russian and I dont hold him it against him for sticking up for Russia.

Just that Russia is misguided at this time. Putin has been feeding into hysteria and portraing the Russians as victims and victims will lash out without thinking.

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 6:07 PM

What started it off was someone asking what brinksmanship was. Seems that term is ancient history, like some of us. I think it may make a comeback.

Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Oh my.
http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=38478

U.S. and coalition naval assets underway for the exercise include the U.S. aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71), the amphibious assault ship USS Iwo Jima (LHD 7) with associated units including the British aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal (RO 7), the Brazilian Navy frigate Greenhalgh (F-46) and the French submarine FS Amethyste (S 605). BNS Greenhalgh is the first Brazilian Navy ship to operate integrated in a U.S. strike group.

French Rafale fighter aircraft assigned to the 12th Squadron, and Hawkeye early warning aircraft assigned to the 4th Squadron will conduct carrier qualifications and cyclic flight operations with U.S. Carrier Air Wing 8 during Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group’s Joint Task Force Exercise. This marks the first integrated U.S. and French carrier qualifications and cyclic flight operations aboard a U.S. aircraft carrier.

Kai on August 13, 2008 at 6:11 PM

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM

So much FAIL. (I’m trying to stay hip with my kids’ sayings)

We don’t need to roll into Russia to stop their agression.

If we chose to we could establish air superiority over Georgia and all of Eastern Europe. Russia would actually be a different ballgame, because they have an actual military and valid military targets.

Every other conflict in the past 60 years is completely different.

Make no mistake, we could cripple their ability to roll tanks into any country.

The Russian Navy is also no match for ours, not by a longshot.

reaganaut on August 13, 2008 at 6:12 PM

For the most part…Russia has better planes than the USAF and Navy, MB4.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 6:06 PM

First time I heard that. Do the Russians know this or have you kept it secret from them?

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Ent,

Even our allies by Russia fighters these days.

Our planes are expensive scrap metal.

Good enough to bomb goatherders, though!

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Sorry, Condi is wrong. They will get away with this.

/I hope I’m wrong.

urbancenturion on August 13, 2008 at 6:13 PM

Really.

F-22 Raptors with tactics changed about every five years.

Foxhounds with tactics changed about every ten years.

Really? You really want to stick by that?

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 6:14 PM

alfie is Russian and I dont hold him it against him for sticking up for Russia.

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM

alphie is a trolling little cretin who spends 90% of his posts imitating Alex Jones.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 6:15 PM

What started it off was someone asking what brinksmanship was. Seems that term is ancient history, like some of us. I think it may make a comeback.

Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM

The question is will either side feel the need to theaten nukes over Georgia ?

I dont see that so brinksmanship isnt an issue I believe. Russia and the US fought enough battles in the 20th century without resorting to nukes. This could be one more.

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 6:15 PM

http://www.patricksaviation.com/photos/SAS73/24960/

elduende on August 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM

I feel like I’m looking at some strange inter-species porn.

Kai on August 13, 2008 at 6:16 PM

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Like I said, go play, because you know not what you speak of.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 6:16 PM

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Yes indeed they did. Wasn’t a good idea never really worked out. This turned out to be a better option.

Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 6:16 PM

I think it’s getting worse

Russians move 2 SS-21 Medium Range Ballistic Missile Launchers into South Ossetia

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Well, since 60,000 casualties in Vietnam

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Technical point of correction – 60,000 dead, many times more casualties.

The Vietnam War cost the United States 58000 lives [plus 2,000 MIA, also dead] and 350000 casualties.
- Source

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Madison, alphie is a girl.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Kai on August 13, 2008 at 6:16 PM

LOL! took some getting used to when they started transitioning to the superhornets now this…

elduende on August 13, 2008 at 6:18 PM

for all we know, going by Satellite photos, Russia has some of Saddams WMD’s too, at their disposal?

jp on August 13, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Russians move 2 SS-21 Medium Range Ballistic Missile Launchers into South Ossetia

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Doesnt mean they have nukes.

This CNN Report has the US military saying they detected balistic missile launches into Georgia from Russia. More than likely its just conventional munitions.

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 6:17 PM

That’s from two days ago. The fact that it’s still up and hasn’t hit any other blogs makes me very dubious.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 6:19 PM

for all we know, going by Satellite photos, Russia has some of Saddams WMD’s too, at their disposal?

jp on August 13, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Russians were in Iraq helping to move WMD prior to the start of the war.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Kai on August 13, 2008 at 6:11 PM

Your link is from July 15, and refers to an exercise off the E. coast of the US from July 21-31. What connection are you making to events in Georgia?

JiangxiDad on August 13, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Kai on August 13, 2008 at 6:11 PM

Oh my indeed! First time for this so I guess the Marines will have company now :-)

Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Madison, alphie is a girl.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Pardon me.

Spends 90% of her posts sounding like Naomi Wolf.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Madison, alphie is a girl.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Oh crap! Now you tell us??

JiangxiDad on August 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Russians were in Iraq helping to move WMD prior to the start of the war.

Haha, the truther cavalry has arrived to save you, ent.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Isn’t the Katshuya family “technically” a ballistic missile launcher?

Kai on August 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM

alfie is Russian and I dont hold him it against him for sticking up for Russia.

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Oh. OK. Calling George Patton again.

In addition to his other amiable characteristics, alfie has no regard for human life and is an all out son-of-a-#bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk loon.[updated]
- George S. Patton

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 6:22 PM

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 6:17 PM

You’re right. I’m tired.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 6:22 PM

alfie is Russian and I dont hold him it against him for sticking up for Russia.

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Oh. OK. Calling George Patton once again.

In addition to his other amiable characteristics, alfie has no regard for human life and is an all out son-of-a-#itch, barbarian, and chronic drunk loon.[updated]
- George S. Patton

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 6:22 PM

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 6:19 PM

SS-21s older news. I saw this on free republic about 2 nights ago they were used to launch cluster munitions against Poti a few nights ago.

elduende on August 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM

Madison, alphie is a girl.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Really? I always thought it was Alfie Kohn, liberal douchebag educator, in disguise.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM

Confiscated Iranian EFP’s along the roads would be ironically apt to meet the Russian invaders.

Since they have been promoting the mullahs and their terror.

Stingers are handy, too, for the air war.

Time to make this Soviet Afghanistan II for Putin.

profitsbeard on August 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM

Ah, so Newsmax is a truther site?

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 6:24 PM

I’ve been reading where Israel has sold weapons to Georgia, which brings in all the jooooo-hating paranoids, which are plentiful in that part of the world. Reading comments on Youtube from people on this part of the globe makes Daily Kos look like a Victorian understatement.

The forces that they sent into Georgia sound like Ruskie-bumpkins based on all reports. Classic military overstatement of Russian strength.

There is no way that the Russians want this to get out of control with the USA involved. Our nation has lost too many lives over the last seven years proving that we mean business when it comes to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Hopefully the Russians have taken note.

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 6:24 PM

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Damn! Beat me to it!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 6:24 PM

JiangxiDad on August 13, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Odd, that one has Brimstone taking place in the North Atlantic. I was positive there was something about that flotilla being in the Indian Ocean.

Kai on August 13, 2008 at 6:25 PM

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 6:15 PM

I don’t think this is over Georgia per-se. I think Georgia is just convenient. We’re putting defensive missiles into that part of the world over protestations by Russia. Who knows where it will go. I agree this isn’t brinksmanship yet but the situation sure is familiar.

Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 6:25 PM

Madison, alphie is a girl.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Really? I always thought it was Alfie Kohn, liberal douchebag educator, in disguise.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM

Alphie has always struck me as the most pathetic wanker on this site. How do you know that Alphie is a woman?

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 6:26 PM

I get a chuckle from all the tough talkin’ chickenhwaks here, too, ent.

It’s one thing to roll into a few third world countries and take on some goatherders.

Russia, OTOH, will bite.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 5:53 PM

If you think you are being cute or clever, you are sadly mistaken. You are showing more of your true colors that perhaps you meant.

hillbillyjim on August 13, 2008 at 6:26 PM

reminds me of the Y2K bug in 2000. The US Military was worried about the bug chrashing their systems.

They gave a press conference saying that none of their systems had any bugs and no US missiles were launched and only 5 Ballistic missiles had been lauched by Russia.

The Press freaked out until it was pointed out it was missiles fired in the Chechnyian conflict and only conventional Munitions were used.

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 6:26 PM

Newsmax, is just a joke, Madison.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Alphie is a troll; it’s sex matters nothing.

carbon_footprint on August 13, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Newsmax, is just a joke, Madison.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Right. We should be much more attentive to reliable sources, like HuffPo and Al-Jazeera.

FOAD. Google it, nitwit.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 6:30 PM

Yes indeed they did. Wasn’t a good idea never really worked out. This turned out to be a better option.

Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 6:16 PM

I dunno.

“This weapon had a maximum range of 1.24 miles (120 millimeter) to 2.49 miles (155 millimeter).”

That’s not much range compared to artillery. I guess enough though. I would prefer to be farther away myself. :)

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 6:32 PM

We’re not gonna fight Russia, a cap.

They might actually shoot back.

Something the U.S. military hasn’t experienced in 60+ years…

And doesn’t McCain look insane/corrupt in all this.

How embarrassing for the hold-your-nose righties.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 5:45 PM

I had to go make myself something to eat and try to calm down after reading this, but I can’t. Alphie, let me tell you a story. My cousin was in Vietnam. There, he stepped on a landmine, and came home an amputee. That was 1968. He died a decade ago at 50 from complications. He was in agony every day of his life. So tell me we faced someone there who did not shoot back. Tell the families of 58,000 others who never came home from there at all. Tell the families of the 4000+ lost in this current conflict they fought people who didn’t shoot back.

You went from irritating and stupid to vile with this post.

And I would like to see you gone.

Rhinoboy on August 13, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Alphie is a troll; it’s sex matters nothing.

carbon_footprint on August 13, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Yah, I’m not looking for a date, but I find it fascinating all the same. Alphie has Wikipedia as a link from the Alphievictim blog, which really struck me as bizarre, but being a woman would put an entirely new dimension on it. Triple-dog-bizarre. Like finding out that Rod Serling was a Lesbian.

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 6:35 PM

“This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it,” Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said. “Things have changed.”
I can hear the lefties getting all worked up over this and saying the usual: ‘The US, under Bush has occupied a country (who was not a threat to the US), and overthrown a gov’t and got a way with it!

Christine on August 13, 2008 at 6:40 PM

Haha, the truther cavalry has arrived to save you, ent.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM

I don’t need any “saving”, but you do, certainly.

Hening, to your question, it’s very obvious, and has nothing to do with what’s in the front of the pants, more with what they are stained with.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 6:40 PM

Isn’t the Katshuya family “technically” a ballistic missile launcher?

Kai on August 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM

No. It is a battlefield weapon…multiple rocket artillery. The range depends on what size rocket is utilized. been around since WWII pretty much the same, save for development of higher cal;iber and poundage rockets. Basically, since it is a free rocket, fdire it and it goes where it wants to, it is a terror weapon [Hamas and Hezzbollah love these] When used en masse, launchers arranged hub to hub, they can take out large organized formations of enemy troops.

coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 6:40 PM

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 6:32 PM

It was a small bomb. A dial a nuke with a yield of something like 10 tons to a little less than 1000 tons or something like that. If you dialed it up you’d want to hug the ground pretty close.

Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 6:40 PM

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM

That pretty well sums it up. The Russians aircraft are getting shot down with Israeli anti-aircraft batteries already. Their tanks are being holed by same.

Russia looks like the same old same old, with new polish and more European money.

The old Soviet Union didn’t fail, it just ran out of money. Now with WAR FOR OIL, they hope to have enough European money to make v.2 work this time.

Reagan warned Europe not to buy the Russian oil ….

tarpon on August 13, 2008 at 6:47 PM

“To begin to repair the damage to its relations with the United States, Europe and other nations and to begin restoring its place in the world, Russia must keep its word and act to end this crisis,” Bush added.

And if all but ethnic Russians migrate to Turkey it will end.

Update: Well, we’re now in a position where one or the other side is going to have to call the other’s bluff or lose face.

I very sincerely hope not.

The Bear acts tough because it has to.
Russia is the bully with two pair, America is the reticent tell, hearts full of aces.

Speakup on August 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM

Isn’t the Katshuya family “technically” a ballistic missile launcher?

Kai on August 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM

No. It is a battlefield weapon…multiple rocket artillery. The range depends on what size rocket is utilized. been around since WWII pretty much the same, save for development of higher cal;iber and poundage rockets. Basically, since it is a free rocket, fdire it and it goes where it wants to, it is a terror weapon [Hamas and Hezzbollah love these] When used en masse, launchers arranged hub to hub, they can take out large organized formations of enemy troops.

coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 6:40 PM

This is a very good description. Just want to mention that the sound was part of the weapon’s power. Screaming, bright rockets firing as an indirect fire weapon. It might not hit anything, but sounded like hell was let loose. Some of these were mounted on lend-lease Studebaker trucks during WWII. Who would have thunk it?

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 6:51 PM

History has seen many men like Putin. He will not go quietly into the night, and he does not care if he ends up pulling the walls down around him.

He is better stopped now than later. The stronger his position is allowed to get, the bolder he will become, until finally the world will see him for what he truly is. By then the cost of removing this blight on the human race will be enormous.

Some threats must be met head-on and without remorse.

hillbillyjim on August 13, 2008 at 6:56 PM

I’m still disappointed that Putin has not lived up to the Olympic ideal, like HopieChangie said.

silverfox on August 13, 2008 at 6:59 PM

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 6:51 PM –

Back in the old days, we used to climb the tower at Wobeck, West Germany, and drop wire to the bottom and hook up field phones. When GSFG (Soviet Army in Germany) would conduct exercises at Letzlingerheide Training Area (East Germany) we’d dial up their commo and relay it to the top of the tower. Distinguished visitors were in awe (as were I…) when the Sov’s fired BM-21’s. Could see them arc over the sky (at night especially) and impact down range. Hundreds of them at a time. To take a term from my youngest daughter…it was “awesome!”

coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 6:59 PM

By then the cost of removing this blight on the human race will be enormous. Some threats must be met head-on and without remorse.

hillbillyjim on August 13, 2008 at 6:56 PM

A “stitch” in time saves nine.

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Why Europe will back down against Russia

Putin knew this and was ready

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Without entering any debate, let me once again reiterate my several days old prediction. Russian military has never intended to, nor will it ever try to occupy Tbilisi.

Clearly, now the US will say it’s because of them that that will not happen. I guess, it’s a normal propaganda move, for which one cannot really blame American politicians. At issue is South Ossetia, which is all but gone for Georgia.

I personally wonder what happens to Abkhazia. I have a sense that the Russians don’t want to do anything there, so it’ll remain a rogue province under significant Russian influence but with no changes in its political status.

freevillage on August 13, 2008 at 7:05 PM

Which 100,000,000 Americans do you choose to die to remove Putin from office, hillbilly?

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 7:07 PM

freevillage on August 13, 2008 at 7:05 PM

So the numerous accounts of Russian soldiers chanting or boasting about Tbilisi are…just attempts at smearing Russia? Or the reports of Russian military being within 15 miles of Tbilisi?

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 7:07 PM

freevillage on August 13, 2008 at 7:05 PM –

The Russians carved out most of Abkhazia in the last two days, starting with a ground assault from the north in conjunction with a seaborne assault from the Moskva battle group landing about 3,000 Russian soldiers along the Black Sea coast.

coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 7:09 PM

Which 100,000,000 Americans do you choose to die to remove Putin from office, hillbilly?

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 7:07 PM

When someone has to exaggerate that much, you know they are getting very desperate and have completely lost the debate. Big time.

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Saint Mc said to Saakashvivli…

‘We are all Georgians now,’”

Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili said on CNN’s American Morning, today…

“Well, very nice, you know, very cheering for us to hear that, but OK, it’s time to pass from this. From words to deeds.”

All our treasure and troops are in Iraq, Mac!
Your options are worst than bad!
Fact is you have none.
Where’s Holy Joe?

Since Condi has seen fit to come off vacation on this late date, do you think she’ll be wearing patent leather knee boots with stiletto heels when she visits Tibilsi this afternoon?

Perhaps she’ll be configured with her pink Converse running shoes?

J_Gocht on August 13, 2008 at 7:11 PM

J_Gocht on August 13, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Billig, and you are so much better than that.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 7:13 PM

Was it unsporting of me to point out that, in a war with Russia, the people who live in flyover territory might, for once, be in danger, MB4?

Keep squakin’, Chickenhawks.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Which 100,000,000 Americans do you choose to die to remove Putin from office, hillbilly?

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 7:07 PM

When someone has to exaggerate that much, you know they are getting very desperate and have completely lost the debate. Big time.

MB4 on August 13, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Amen.

carbon_footprint on August 13, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Keep squakin’, Chickenhawks.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 7:14 PM

No one on HA is more chicken than you, alphie.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 7:15 PM

coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 6:59 PM

My uncle used to be part of an electronic warfare unit in Germany. They would scramble and augment Russian communication in East Germany. Somehow they got over on the Russian side and played all kinds of games to drive them nuts. He has some great stories of the nutty things they would say and do to mess with the Soviets.

Thanks for that great story……

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Keep squakin’, Chickenhawks.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Keep shovelin’ manure, DU tourist.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Was it unsporting of me to point out that, in a war with Russia, the people who live in flyover territory might, for once, be in danger, MB4?…

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 7:14 PM

It was not “unsporting”, it was terribly naive, because flying has nothing to do with it.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Keep squakin’, Chickenhawks.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Keep flappin’, chickenDem.

carbon_footprint on August 13, 2008 at 7:19 PM

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