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Showdown: Bush sends “humanitarian” aid to Georgia as Russians advance; Update: “This is not 1968,” says Condi; Update: Russians camp along the road to Tbilisi

posted at 3:51 pm on August 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
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President Bush said Wednesday that the Pentagon had begun a “vigorous and ongoing” humanitarian mission to ease the suffering in Georgia, and that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would travel to France and then to Georgia to work for a settlement of the crisis…

Mr. Bush said that a transport plane with medical supplies was already on its way to Georgia, and that American air and naval forces would carry out the aid mission. And he said pointedly that Russia must not interfere with aid arriving in Georgia by air, land or water

However, minutes after Mr. Bush’s comments, President Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia characterized the import of the American aid as “definitely an American military presence” and called it a “turning point.”…

“What I expected specifically from America was to secure our airport and to secure our seaports,” he went on, concluding that the American presence would do so. “The main thing now is that the Georgian Tbilisi airport will be permanently under control.”

Saakashvili is spinning hard to make this look like a U.S. cavalry charge, going so far as to call it a “military-humanitarian operation” and claiming that Georgian ports will now be under U.S. “control.” The Pentagon quickly denied it, although given Bush’s warning to Russia not to interfere with aid, things are going to get mighty dicey if they move on Tbilisi and take the airport. Charles Johnson says he’s hearing news reports that the Russian army’s within 15 miles of the city; I haven’t seen anything like that, although I did see earlier that Russia started moving towards the city before veering off in another direction. As of this morning, Russian troops occupied Gori and others were crossing into South Ossetia; Human Rights Watch claims they’re burning villages in the territory populated by ethnic Georgians.

My reaction to Bush’s announcement was the same as Ace’s, and doubtless what Saakashvili has in mind: They’re going to insert a token American force, a la South Korea, as a “tripwire” that the Russians dare not cross lest it provoke a wider war. Per the emphasis on the mission being purely humanitarian, it sounds like Bush is eager to douse that speculation — but needless to say, if U.S. troops do get caught in the crossfire, it’s anyone’s guess what happens. If you believe the Times, the U.S. brought this all on itself by sending “mixed messages” to Saakashvili that don’t really sound all that mixed. Publicly the administration’s shown consistent solidarity, and privately they’ve made it abundantly clear that he shouldn’t do anything nutty like, er, invade South Ossetia. Assuming that’s true, he’s playing dumb, going on CNN this morning to say he appreciated McCain’s encouraging words yesterday but that words don’t mean much vis-a-vis those all-important deeds they’re counting on.

Well, he’s got some deeds now. Stand by for updates as the Cold War II brinksmanship escalates. Exit quotation: “We understand that this current Georgian leadership is a special project of the United States, but one day the United States will have to choose between defending its prestige over a virtual project or real partnership which requires joint action.”

Update: This warrants the always rare double exit quotation. Sit back, close your eyes, and meditate on this while you run through your mental list of despots, terrorists, and assorted other cretins that Russia’s been selling weapons to for decades:

“Bush’s speech said nothing of how Georgia was armed all these years, including by the United States,” [Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov] said, adding, “We have more than once warned our partners that this is a dangerous game.”

Update: Well, we’re now in a position where one or the other side is going to have to call the other’s bluff or lose face.

Just the position you want to be in with two superpowers armed to the teeth with nukes.

“This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it,” Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said. “Things have changed.”

Update: Putin’s just taunting them now.

“Come with us, beauty, we’re going to Tbilisi!” one of the soldiers bellowed at a photographer in a sleeveless shirt along the road. Other troops grinned and brandished their weapons, and one hung his bare feet out the back of a truck. Another, a machine gunner riding atop an armored vehicle, wore a bandanna and a black T-shirt with the word “Russia” emblazoned in the red, blue and white colors of the national flag.

Asked from the side of the road, the soldiers shouted that their destination was Tbilisi — “With no detours,” one said. But then they veered abruptly into a field about an hour’s drive from the capital and camped conspicuously within sight of the road before the sun went down.

The message was hard to miss: The Russian military is still the landlord in swaths of Georgia, and its forces remain in easy striking distance of the country’s capital.


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A few of you guys need to stop going all strangelove with the ‘this’ll help mccain’ talk.

ninjapirate on August 13, 2008 at 4:26 PM

So, where are the British, French, Canadian, German, Dutch, Danish, and Spanish supply planes?

Mark1971 on August 13, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Good question. Do they even have any?

CP on August 13, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Akzed on August 13, 2008 at 4:24 PM

ugh I shouldve known..I heard that on Sheps show. I should know better to listen to him.

becki51758 on August 13, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Fox just corrected this. They report that the looting and burning is taking place at the hands of separists, not russians.

DrW on August 13, 2008 at 3:57 PM

That’s like saying that if a bunch of Reconquistadores (those Mexican nationals living in the United States who believe the Southwest still belongs to Mexico and needs to be “reclaimed”) suddenly rose up and started destroying things and killing people within U.S borders, with the backing of the Mexican government, that they’re not Mexicans — they’re just separatists.

Those “separatists” in Georgia are Russians, backed by the Russian government.

aero on August 13, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Reporter to McCain: “Do you see yourself as a citizen of the world?”
O’ brother.

carbon_footprint on August 13, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Wethal on August 13, 2008 at 4:17 PM

From Debka, Aug 8, FWIW:

DEBKAfile’s geopolitical experts note that on the surface level, the Russians are backing the separatists of S. Ossetia and neighboring Abkhazia as payback for the strengthening of American influence in tiny Georgia and its 4.5 million inhabitants. However, more immediately, the conflict has been sparked by the race for control over the pipelines carrying oil and gas out of the Caspian region.

The Russians may just bear with the pro-US Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili’s ambition to bring his country into NATO. But they draw a heavy line against his plans and those of Western oil companies, including Israeli firms, to route the oil routes from Azerbaijan and the gas lines from Turkmenistan, which transit Georgia, through Turkey instead of hooking them up to Russian pipelines.

Saakashvili need only back away from this plan for Moscow to ditch the two provinces’ revolt against Tbilisi. As long as he sticks to his guns, South Ossetia and Abkhazia will wage separatist wars.

DEBKAfile discloses Israel’s interest in the conflict from its exclusive military sources:

Jerusalem owns a strong interest in Caspian oil and gas pipelines reach the Turkish terminal port of Ceyhan, rather than the Russian network. Intense negotiations are afoot between Israel Turkey, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Azarbaijan for pipelines to reach Turkey and thence to Israel’s oil terminal at Ashkelon and on to its Red Sea port of Eilat. From there, supertankers can carry the gas and oil to the Far East through the Indian Ocean.

Aware of Moscow’s sensitivity on the oil question, Israel offered Russia a stake in the project but was rejected.

Last year, the Georgian president commissioned from private Israeli security firms several hundred military advisers, estimated at up to 1,000, to train the Georgian armed forces in commando, air, sea, armored and artillery combat tactics. They also offer instruction on military intelligence and security for the central regime. Tbilisi also purchased weapons, intelligence and electronic warfare systems from Israel.

These advisers were undoubtedly deeply involved in the Georgian army’s preparations to conquer the South Ossetian capital Friday.

In recent weeks, Moscow has repeatedly demanded that Jerusalem halt its military assistance to Georgia, finally threatening a crisis in bilateral relations. Israel responded by saying that the only assistance rendered Tbilisi was “defensive.”

This has not gone down well in the Kremlin. Therefore, as the military crisis intensifies in South Ossetia, Moscow may be expected to punish Israel for its intervention.

JiangxiDad on August 13, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Wouldn’t it be fun if somehow the Georgians suddenyl had TOW anti-tank missiles and Stingers and IED’s?

Russia is selling advanced AA missiles to Iran, we should sell our gear to Georgia. Alls fair in blah blah blah.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 4:28 PM

CNN: Russia says the U.S. must choose between supporting Georgia and continuing its partnership with Russia.

And that partnership is worth what, exactly? Cooperation in shutting down Iran’s nuclear program? Stabilizing world oil and gas prices? Providing missle defense in Europe against missles from the Middle East?

It’s not like we can even have a good cultural exchange program any more; all their best artists have already left.

Go Georgia.

NeighborhoodCatLady on August 13, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Rassmussen Reports

The majority of Americans (59%) regard Russia’s ongoing invasion of neighboring Georgia as a threat to U.S. national security, but less than a third (31%) believe the United States should take any diplomatic action against Russia.

A similar number (33%) say the United States should not take diplomatic action against Russia, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey taken Monday night. A plurality (36%) remain undecided.

Just over half (51%) also believe that John McCain is the best equipped of the two major presidential candidates to handle a similar crisis in the future, while 36% believe Barack Obama is the better of the two to deal with this kind of situation. The two men are locked in a close race as measured by the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Russia is selling advanced AA missiles to Iran, we should sell our gear to Georgia. Alls fair in blah blah blah.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Absolutely!

carbon_footprint on August 13, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Good question. Do they even have any?
CP on August 13, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Except for Canada they aren’t allowed to send their military units into a situation where they might get shot at; might chip the paint on the equipment.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Wouldn’t it be funny if a bunch of “Georgians” showed up speaking with thick Israeli accents and kicked the Russians in the behind?

Good ol’ Russia. Always good for stirring the pot. Jerks.

mjk on August 13, 2008 at 4:30 PM

“This is not 1968…” –Condi

All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again. –BSG

aero on August 13, 2008 at 4:30 PM

ninjapirate on August 13, 2008 at 4:26 PM

It sure as hell doesn’t help Obama.
Which president would you want in a situation like this?
The war veteran or the community organinzer?

carbon_footprint on August 13, 2008 at 4:30 PM

McCain smacked down another reporter!

becki51758 on August 13, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Lets give Georgia some Nukes?

jp on August 13, 2008 at 4:31 PM

The Russians were supposed to abide by Obama’s ceasefire and they didn’t. Who knew the entire world was composed of anti-Baracky racists?

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Wouldn’t it be fun if somehow the Georgians suddenyl had TOW anti-tank missiles and Stingers and IED’s?

Hey, maybe they came from Iran. Who the heck knows!

drjohn on August 13, 2008 at 4:22 PM

The Stingers are already there. Seen’em on the news about 2 days ago. Hmmmmm……can you say “Afghanistan”?

BobMbx on August 13, 2008 at 4:31 PM

I realize this is a little off topic and probably stupid, but I know we have a few Russian experts here (Anna and baldilocks). Can anyone explain to me why Russia has a prime minister and a president? And which is more powerful anyway? It seemed to me that Putin was powerful before and still, so I’m having a hard time seeing the difference.

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 4:32 PM

I wondered that too, Esthier. Is it something like the Israeli PM and President? The PM has all the power and the President is basically a decorative position?

mjk on August 13, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Fox just corrected this. They report that the looting and burning is taking place at the hands of separists, not russians.

DrW on August 13, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Are these separatists with or without Russian passports?

cthulhu on August 13, 2008 at 4:34 PM

A few of you guys need to stop going all strangelove…

ninjapirate on August 13, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Strangelove? Stragelove, to me, involves a goat, a bungee cord, a dill pickle and some grape jam.

This ain’t strangelove.

cntrlfrk on August 13, 2008 at 4:34 PM

The president of Georgia needs some lessons in modern “diplomacy.” He went and told the truth about the nature of the U.S. humanitarian aid mission and said it’s a U.S. military presence to help Georgia militarily. See how he messed up the neat little web of diplomatic lies Putin and Bush were weaving? Putin said there was a “ceasefire” when there really wasn’t. Bush said this is a “humanitarian mission” that really isn’t. And Saakashvili goes and tells the bald truth like that, pointing out that Russia’s still inciting violence in Georgia and the U.S. is really sending military aid. What’s he thinking? This isn’t how “diplomacy” works! /s

aero on August 13, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Look the Russians took the measure of Obambi and found him wanting — perfect for their goals. Russia could not afford to have Georgia join NATO, because then, well, then Europe would have to help, and they are already tied up in Afghanistan with max capacity. So what did Russia do, what they always do, anything they want.

Who cheered when Russia claimed the north pole oil, wasn’t that cool —

WAR FOR OIL, Reagan warned Europe not to buy oil from Russia and feed the bear. Did you see those spiffy shiny new Russian tanks rolling over Georgia? Where do you think they came from? That’s right, European oil payments bought them for Russia’s military. That’s no longer funny is it.

tarpon on August 13, 2008 at 4:35 PM

aero on August 13, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Feels like that sometimes…

jimmy the notable on August 13, 2008 at 4:35 PM

The US has nuclear primacy. If the Russians want a nuclear war, they’d better be prepared for hell and high water.

Vatican Watcher on August 13, 2008 at 4:35 PM

BobMbx on August 13, 2008 at 4:31 PM

The rumor mill also says the Georgians have some Israeli(?) anti-vehicle weaponry which is chewing-up Russian armored units. I know the Israelis were selling hardware to Georgia, but if this is true, the gear must be top shelf.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Time to dust off the VHS and start watching Rocky IV, Red Dawn, Hunt for Red October and some old James Bond movies again. This is fast becoming like that Simpsons episode, Simpson Tide, when Russia converted back to the Soviet Union.

Rick on August 13, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 4:32 PM

The President has the executive powers (similar to ours) but their President (Mededvev sp?) is essentially a puppet to Putin.

Skywise on August 13, 2008 at 4:36 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Russia

general, the Prime Minister serves more of an administrative role, nominating members of the Cabinet and implementing domestic policy. In accordance with the federal constitutional law “On the Government of the Russian Federation” the Prime Minister exercises the following duties:

determines the basic guidelines of the Government activity;
presents to the President proposals on the structure and functions of the central institutions of the executive branch (e.g. ministries and federal agencies);
nominates the vice prime ministers, federal ministers and other officers and presents them to the President;
represents the government as an institution in foreign relations and inside the country;
heads the sessions of the Government and its Presidium and has the right of decisive vote;
signs the decrees and executive orders of the government;
systematically informs the President about the Government activities

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Read up on the Montreux Agreement.

Interesting stuff.

Black Sea navies can use the straits pretty much at will, with certain delineated restrictions…no aircraft carriers, for example. Interesting side note — a guided misisle cruiser is not necessarily banned from transitting the Straits. The Turks, being legalists, affirmed this in the 60’s…regarding a US Navy ship, citing that the treaty says “guns” and makes no references to missiles. Montreux has not been updated in quite a while. Turkey refuses to sign the LOS Treaty…doesn’t want to lose control over its interior waters.

Have no idea how many US Navy ships are in the Black Sea, following the joint Ukraine-US exercises. But, the Russians have been able to circumvent Montreux by building the Moskva and Kuznetsov…anti-submarine cruisers, even though they are pretty much truncated aircraft carriers. The Moskva provided cover for the Abhazia landings and may have participated in the Poti assault.

As for an earlier mention of a strategic sub going into the Black Sea [above, somewhere...] probably not a chance of that happening. Not their domain. An attack sub, perhaps. Would raise a lot of heartburn in Ankara. But a strategic sub could do its job in the Med or northwest Indian Ocean quite well, and safely.

coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 4:36 PM

The Georgian president needs to simmer down a bit. This is reminding me of an adolescent screaming how his big brother is going to kick the crap out of the local bully. When our militarys’ boots hit the ground, we don’t need any meat-headed Ruskies taking shots at them.

Russians burning Georgian villages in 2008, makes me lose some compassion for all the problems they had with the Germans. The Russians had a real pension for burning, pillaging and raping any land they occupied sixty-three years ago, which shows that they still really are an uncivilized nation, no matter how snooty they try to come off. When do the Commie shoes start hitting the desktops at the UN?

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 4:36 PM

I realize this is a little off topic and probably stupid, but I know we have a few Russian experts here (Anna and baldilocks). Can anyone explain to me why Russia has a prime minister and a president? And which is more powerful anyway? It seemed to me that Putin was powerful before and still, so I’m having a hard time seeing the difference.

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Don’t think of them as a government. Just apply the term “Godfather” to Putin. Everything else will line up.

“Let’s make Georgia an offer they can’t refuse…..”

BobMbx on August 13, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Stragelove, to me, involves a goat, a bungee cord, a dill pickle and some grape jam.

cntrlfrk on August 13, 2008 at 4:34 PM

That aint fun. That there’s a fun Sat-R-Day nite! :D

Skywise on August 13, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Holy hell.

Condi just pulled out a pistol and put it on the table in front of Putin.

I’m stunned.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Holy hell.

Condi just pulled out a pistol and put it on the table in front of Putin.

I’m stunned.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 4:38 PM

pix?

trailortrash on August 13, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 4:35 PM

They should’ve made air capabilities a priority instead. Vehicles and infantry are fairly easy to defend against, even with inferior equipment, when you’re on your own land. A proper Air Force isn’t.

Darth Executor on August 13, 2008 at 4:39 PM

I realize this is a little off topic and probably stupid, but I know we have a few Russian experts here (Anna and baldilocks). Can anyone explain to me why Russia has a prime minister and a president?

Typical European Parlimentary system, but in this case:

“Prime Minister” Medeved = Puppet

“President” Putin = Puppeteer

pseudonominus on August 13, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Skywise on August 13, 2008 at 4:36 PM — take a look at the 2008 Russian elections and the run up to those elections. Other than widespread fraud and intimidation of candidates who did not back Putin, Medvedev became the “leading” candidate for President for one reason and one reason only…he promised to make Putin the Prime Minister, a position that has no term limits.

Delineation of power in Russia today looks nothing like it was under Yeltsin, nor in Putin’s first term. The titles remain, but the roles have shifted greatly.

coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 4:32 PM

I believe Putin served 2 terms as President of Russia (7 years/ term?). Russia’s constitution has term limits on the office, like ours does. The Prime Minister is a head-of-state position, like the President of Israel or the Queen of the UK. Medvedev, who became President succeeding Putin, is widely seen as (pretty much is) not just a protege of Putin but his puppet. Putin became Prime Minister but really is still calling the shots.

“This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it,” Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said. “Things have changed.”

I understand Ace’s and Allah’s reticence about this statement, but now is not the time to go “all wobbly,” as Thatcher warned Bush, Sr.

silverfox on August 13, 2008 at 4:39 PM

I think MC was metaphorically speaking, vis-a-vis Condi’s this ain’t 1968 comment.

carbon_footprint on August 13, 2008 at 4:39 PM

[aero on August 13, 2008 at 4:27 PM]

Yeah, didn’t all the ’separatists’ order their Russian citizenship and passports like 10 years ago? Maybe they all got lost by the South Ossetian Post Office.

I can’t wait until the info being gathered starts being put on the table showing that the Russkies planned this for weeks.

Dusty on August 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM

pseudonominus on August 13, 2008 at 4:39 PM –

Nicely put. Very much correct.

coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM

The rumor mill also says the Georgians have some Israeli(?) anti-vehicle weaponry which is chewing-up Russian armored units. I know the Israelis were selling hardware to Georgia, but if this is true, the gear must be top shelf.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 4:35 PM

All Israeli gear is top shelf. Some is better than our’s. If the “Georgians” can get some Sensor Fuzed Weapons on the field, this will be over in a day or two. Google it.

BobMbx on August 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM

MM is on Fox

trailortrash on August 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Is it something like the Israeli PM and President? The PM has all the power and the President is basically a decorative position?

mjk on August 13, 2008 at 4:34 PM

I was thinking that two, but I remember when Putin was president people acted as though he had all the authority. Now with him as PM, they’re doing the same. Maybe it’s because of who Putin had follow him as president?

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Sounds like people have no idea what the hell they actually want. “They’re a threat but let’s not do anything. Oh, and we want the guy who wants to do something in charge”.

Darth Executor on August 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM

We’re already “in theater” with major combat capability. I wonder if Putin put that in the calculus. – Bob

Close enough for airstrikes. And what would Russia do in return? I mean, other than complain about it.

Tony737 on August 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Rick on August 13, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Blame Judi Dench: “Christ, I miss the Cold War.

emailnuevo on August 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Russians burning Georgian villages in 2008, makes me lose some compassion for all the problems they had with the Germans. The Russians had a real pension for burning, pillaging and raping any land they occupied sixty-three years ago, which shows that they still really are an uncivilized nation, no matter how snooty they try to come off. When do the Commie shoes start hitting the desktops at the UN?

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 4:36 PM

The Russians gave “payback” for everything the Germans, especially the SS, did in their advance across Russia. (See also Allied bombing of Dresden.)

“War is hell.” (said by another general while engaged in fighting in another Georgia).

Wethal on August 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM

MM is on a Fox

carbon_footprint on August 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM

The rumor mill also says the Georgians have some Israeli(?) anti-vehicle weaponry which is chewing-up Russian armored units. I know the Israelis were selling hardware to Georgia, but if this is true, the gear must be top shelf.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Russia warns Israel

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM

pix?

trailortrash on August 13, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Metaphorical.

This is shaping up like the Cuban Missile Crisis. I had enough trouble sleeping before all this started, dammit.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Can we depose of Saakashvili ourselves? This guy has to go.

ninjapirate on August 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM

BobMbx on August 13, 2008 at 4:31 PM

The rumor mill also says the Georgians have some Israeli(?) anti-vehicle weaponry which is chewing-up Russian armored units. I know the Israelis were selling hardware to Georgia, but if this is true, the gear must be top shelf.

I saw some TV footage that showed Russian tanks destroyed and pushed off the road. My first thought was Georgians have some secret sauce … So you could very well be right.

tarpon on August 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM

If Bush and Condi go wobbly now, say goodbye to free Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. (And I wouldn’t plan a summer vacation in Poland either.)

Exurban Jon on August 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM

emailnuevo on August 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM –

In many ways, so do I.

coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM

This thread is moving faster than a loaded C-17.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM

That was not meant to be knock on the C-17, to be sure.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 4:44 PM

BobMbx on August 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM

No, they need air support (either AA or an airforce of their own). From what I understand Georgia easilly rolled into SOssetia despite the russian troops there before the russians dominated the airspace.

Darth Executor on August 13, 2008 at 4:44 PM

If only that Isreali-Georgian Merkava deal had gone through. 200 new Merkavas would be nice to have had in the Georgian inventory. When this began, they had about 250 tanks (almost all old Soviet models, 72’s and a few 80’s)and about 15 combat aircraft.

coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Prime Minister is head of govt, President is head of state.

Akzed on August 13, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Geez….who spiked Condi’s cornflakes?

If only she’d be this tough with Hamas.

The Ugly American on August 13, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Hey, why you knockin C-17’s?!

Akzed on August 13, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Skywise on August 13, 2008 at 4:36 PM
silverfox on August 13, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Thanks to both of you. That certainly makes sense.

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Oh, ok.

Akzed on August 13, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Can we depose of Saakashvili ourselves? This guy has to go.
ninjapirate on August 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Shouldn’t that be up to Georgians?

Bugler on August 13, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Let’s see, we have communism stronger than ever in Latin America, Russia invading their neighbors, Iran acting up, and (oh yeah) China lying to the world on the biggest stage – - looks like we’ve come full circle. To make matters worse, the US is about to elect the second coming of Jimmy Carter as president. This ought to be fun.

Rick on August 13, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Prime Minister is head of govt, President is head of state.

Akzed on August 13, 2008 at 4:45 PM

I’m not sure I understand the difference. Does that mean the PM is more like Pelosi?

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Wasn’t Condi supposed to be an expert on Russia or something? Did she not see this coming, or did she just choose not to highlight it?

It's Vintage, Duh on August 13, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM

I suspect it is mostly a personality thing. Putin is a scarey guy and is loved by the Ivans because they seem to yearn for an autocratic ruler. Under his rule the Bear has emerged once again. They like that. Make no mistake,..Putin rules Russia, and they like it.

a capella on August 13, 2008 at 4:49 PM

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Thanks. That piece of the puzzle helps quite a bit, but I am still having difficulty determining the whole picture. But I now see Iran is involved, and none of this is a surprise to anyone in the loop–which I’m not.

JiangxiDad on August 13, 2008 at 4:49 PM

William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM

I’m sure Israelis are crying themselves to sleep over the ire of a country that tried to wipe them out (Soviets aided the arabs with equipment so they’re as big a part in the attempts as the arabs themselves)

Darth Executor on August 13, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Does that mean the PM is more like Pelosi?

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 4:48 PM

In title, perhaps.

But, in power, Putin controls a very large population of power elites throughout Russia. Most have KGB experience or proven loyal connections. The title of PM merely legitimizes his being in government.

coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM

ninjapirate on August 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Why? Did americans suddenly become allergic to anyone with a pair?

Darth Executor on August 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM

All Israeli gear is top shelf. Some is better than our’s. If the “Georgians” can get some Sensor Fuzed Weapons on the field, this will be over in a day or two. Google it.
BobMbx on August 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM

I hear ya, I’m just saying that such equipment doesn’t consist of old Shermans and Garands brought out of mothballs. It sounds as if this stuff might be brand new to the battlefield; combat-tested free of charge courtesy of the Georgian army with results carefully monitored by Israeli advisers.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Let’s see, we have communism stronger than ever in Latin America, Russia invading their neighbors, Iran acting up, and (oh yeah) China lying to the world on the biggest stage – - looks like we’ve come full circle. To make matters worse, the US is about to elect the second coming of Jimmy Carter as president. This ought to be fun.

Rick on August 13, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Exactly. Sometimes I wish the cold war would have never been considered ‘over’. It meant we stopped calling commie bastards what they are while taking the eye off the ball.

cntrlfrk on August 13, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Darth Executor on August 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM –

Musta been somethin’ Jesse Jackson said…

coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Darth Executor on August 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Seriously. The Georgians are rallying behind this guy, it would be stupid to get rid of him.

jimmy the notable on August 13, 2008 at 4:52 PM

I guess I’d better get in shape much quicker.

It looks like we’re going back to a two-front war.

madmonkphotog on August 13, 2008 at 3:58 PM

You and me both. After I type I’m off to the gym.

talking_mouse on August 13, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Metaphorical.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Though wouldn’t that make an awesome poster?

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Close enough for airstrikes. And what would Russia do in return? I mean, other than complain about it.

Tony737 on August 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM

I must confess, this is an itch I’ve been wanting to scratch for about 30 years now. We learned the Soviets were nearly impotent all through the Cold War (at least against our military). Their nuclear threat was present, but they had MAJOR quality and reliability problems that they hid very well, rendering them almost toothless.

Today, their Navy is sinking at the pier, their Army has not improved in weapons or tactics even though they make annual proclomations of having invented the “newest, most-effing unbelievably scary whizbang gizmo ever”, and then never acutally build one.

The neighborhood bully is back. This time, we’re smart enough (and capable enough) to nip it in the bud.

“Nip it, Nip it, Nip it”; Fife, Deputy, circa 1965, USA

BobMbx on August 13, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Though wouldn’t that make an awesome poster?

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 4:52 PM

If I had a whit of artistic ability, I’d make it a political cartoon.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Darth Executor on August 13, 2008 at 4:49 PM

I think Amos is pointing out that Israel faces an existential problem, the likes of which provide the rationale for challenging Russia in Georgia, and threatening Russia’s oil revenue. This is a chess game I think, and we’ve not seen all the pieces or the moves.

JiangxiDad on August 13, 2008 at 4:53 PM

If Bush and Condi go wobbly now, say goodbye to free Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. (And I wouldn’t plan a summer vacation in Poland either.)

Exurban Jon on August 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM

I’d guess that when you doublecross a Texan, the Texan doesn’t usually go wobbly in his response. Condi doesn’t sound wobbly, so apparently she’s not listening to the appeasers in State.

Wethal on August 13, 2008 at 4:53 PM

colin powell is going to be the keynote speaker for O, wth

trailortrash on August 13, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Can we depose of Saakashvili ourselves? This guy has to go.

ninjapirate on August 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM

…why?

And if the answer is that he’s being too rough on Russia, or some other pro-Soviet imperialist hogwash, don’t bother responding. I’m about sick of it.

MadisonConservative on August 13, 2008 at 4:55 PM

And just like that were nose to nose with the remnants of Soviet Imperialism. Dicey indeed but if you don’t stand for something, you lay down for everything.

ronsfi on August 13, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Where’s Ol’ Jelly Legs?

cntrlfrk on August 13, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Col. Andy Tanner: Two toughest kids on the block, I guess. Sooner or later, they’re gonna fight.

catmman on August 13, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Russia warns Israel
William Amos on August 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Yup, and when you mention “UAV” the image of Hellfire missiles streaking in from nowhere comes to mind.

Some Israeli AF guy sitting back at Lod Air Base might be controlling those aircraft.

Bishop on August 13, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Where’s Ol’ Jelly Legs?

cntrlfrk on August 13, 2008 at 4:55 PM

lol!

carbon_footprint on August 13, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Russia in 2008 is a Kleptocracy, as most dictatorships are: Any valuable resources are taken over and controlled, either directly by government officials or by corporate entities which are heavily dependant on the power of government to exist

It’s government by mafia, and as someone noted, Putin is the current godfather. The structure and office titles don’t actually mean anything. Instead of the old CPSU and KGB, there is an interlocking system of clans / ‘families’ similar to Cosa Nostra in the USA circa 1950

The militar bureaucracy has power, but is subordinate to this Rule by Mafia, and corruption is rife at every level of Russian business and government

The whole Georgia thing is right out of the Sopranos, with about the same level of ( lack of ) sophistication. Cunning and ruthless criminals run the country, with nuclear weapons and a newly-rebuilt ( and unproven ) military as its disposal

Janos Hunyadi on August 13, 2008 at 4:57 PM

trailortrash on August 13, 2008 at 4:54 PM

plus on the same night the vp candidate is announced.

becki51758 on August 13, 2008 at 4:58 PM

trailortrash on August 13, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Black is thicker than water.

carbon_footprint on August 13, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Who thinks this is all the result of the Democrats and their antics destroying Bush and America’s position in the world? Isn’t it now the case that everyone thinks they can throw sand in our face and all we can do is laugh it off? Oh yeah, I forgot, the world citizen and his overwhelming nonsensical world view will save us. He should go back to wherever he came from.

The world is governed by the use of force, it has been since the dawn of man. Nothing has changed to change this undeniable truth of life.

So what are we to do when the Communist Chinese take over Taiwan? Or the Russians decide to take Poland, again? When the oil is controlled by the enemies of America? I know, we convert to Communism. How many remember the “better red than dead chant” from our friends on the left? Ah the good old days.

Notice how lost Obama seems to be in all this? The 3AM call came, and Obambi was out surfing.

Who stands for freedom and liberty in the world now?

tarpon on August 13, 2008 at 5:00 PM

becki51758 on August 13, 2008 at 4:58 PM


Kristol: Colin Powell to Endorse Barack Obama

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 13, 2008 at 5:00 PM

LOL

JiangxiDad on August 13, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Notice how lost Obama seems to be in all this? The 3AM call came, and Obambi was out surfing.

In his defense, he did text message George Clooney to get advice.

carbon_footprint on August 13, 2008 at 5:03 PM

…why?

And if the answer is that he’s being too rough on Russia, or some other pro-Soviet imperialist hogwash, don’t bother responding. I’m about sick of it.

gu

Are you a fucking moron? We warned this guy not to do anything stupid, he did, and now he’s getting his ass handed to him.

ninjapirate on August 13, 2008 at 5:03 PM

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