Showdown: Bush sends “humanitarian” aid to Georgia as Russians advance; Update: “This is not 1968,” says Condi; Update: Russians camp along the road to Tbilisi
posted at 3:51 pm on August 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
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President Bush said Wednesday that the Pentagon had begun a “vigorous and ongoing” humanitarian mission to ease the suffering in Georgia, and that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would travel to France and then to Georgia to work for a settlement of the crisis…
Mr. Bush said that a transport plane with medical supplies was already on its way to Georgia, and that American air and naval forces would carry out the aid mission. And he said pointedly that Russia must not interfere with aid arriving in Georgia by air, land or water…
However, minutes after Mr. Bush’s comments, President Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia characterized the import of the American aid as “definitely an American military presence” and called it a “turning point.”…
“What I expected specifically from America was to secure our airport and to secure our seaports,” he went on, concluding that the American presence would do so. “The main thing now is that the Georgian Tbilisi airport will be permanently under control.”
Saakashvili is spinning hard to make this look like a U.S. cavalry charge, going so far as to call it a “military-humanitarian operation” and claiming that Georgian ports will now be under U.S. “control.” The Pentagon quickly denied it, although given Bush’s warning to Russia not to interfere with aid, things are going to get mighty dicey if they move on Tbilisi and take the airport. Charles Johnson says he’s hearing news reports that the Russian army’s within 15 miles of the city; I haven’t seen anything like that, although I did see earlier that Russia started moving towards the city before veering off in another direction. As of this morning, Russian troops occupied Gori and others were crossing into South Ossetia; Human Rights Watch claims they’re burning villages in the territory populated by ethnic Georgians.
My reaction to Bush’s announcement was the same as Ace’s, and doubtless what Saakashvili has in mind: They’re going to insert a token American force, a la South Korea, as a “tripwire” that the Russians dare not cross lest it provoke a wider war. Per the emphasis on the mission being purely humanitarian, it sounds like Bush is eager to douse that speculation — but needless to say, if U.S. troops do get caught in the crossfire, it’s anyone’s guess what happens. If you believe the Times, the U.S. brought this all on itself by sending “mixed messages” to Saakashvili that don’t really sound all that mixed. Publicly the administration’s shown consistent solidarity, and privately they’ve made it abundantly clear that he shouldn’t do anything nutty like, er, invade South Ossetia. Assuming that’s true, he’s playing dumb, going on CNN this morning to say he appreciated McCain’s encouraging words yesterday but that words don’t mean much vis-a-vis those all-important deeds they’re counting on.
Well, he’s got some deeds now. Stand by for updates as the Cold War II brinksmanship escalates. Exit quotation: “We understand that this current Georgian leadership is a special project of the United States, but one day the United States will have to choose between defending its prestige over a virtual project or real partnership which requires joint action.”
Update: This warrants the always rare double exit quotation. Sit back, close your eyes, and meditate on this while you run through your mental list of despots, terrorists, and assorted other cretins that Russia’s been selling weapons to for decades:
“Bush’s speech said nothing of how Georgia was armed all these years, including by the United States,” [Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov] said, adding, “We have more than once warned our partners that this is a dangerous game.”
Update: Well, we’re now in a position where one or the other side is going to have to call the other’s bluff or lose face.
Just the position you want to be in with two superpowers armed to the teeth with nukes.
“This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it,” Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said. “Things have changed.”
Update: Putin’s just taunting them now.
“Come with us, beauty, we’re going to Tbilisi!” one of the soldiers bellowed at a photographer in a sleeveless shirt along the road. Other troops grinned and brandished their weapons, and one hung his bare feet out the back of a truck. Another, a machine gunner riding atop an armored vehicle, wore a bandanna and a black T-shirt with the word “Russia” emblazoned in the red, blue and white colors of the national flag.
Asked from the side of the road, the soldiers shouted that their destination was Tbilisi — “With no detours,” one said. But then they veered abruptly into a field about an hour’s drive from the capital and camped conspicuously within sight of the road before the sun went down.
The message was hard to miss: The Russian military is still the landlord in swaths of Georgia, and its forces remain in easy striking distance of the country’s capital.
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Texas Gal on August 13, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Too late, but well meant – main thing is to try it :)
Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Nice Wall Street Journal article on one of the economic warfare ideas I’ve been floating about for the past couple of days. Briefly hits on one of the major points, but there is a lot we can do, in conjunction with NATO, the EU, (a bit of arm twisting with Japan, South Korea and other countries) to make Putin’s political life become even shorter.
coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 9:49 PM
One things for sure. None of us posting here actually knows what the strategic capability of the United States military really is. At best some of the presently engaged or the recently released military folks will have a fair idea of the tactical capabilities of the branch and section they were in. If any of us really did have real knowledge of our strategic capability you damn sure wouldn’t be posting it here. Some may draw on prior experience and formulate some fairly accurate conclusions but that will be pure speculation.
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Speak for yourself.
My kitty says:
Et tu Brute on August 13, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Unless you’re Sherry Sontag or that fag that helped her write the book.
BobMbx on August 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM
coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 9:49 PM –
OK. I need to work on it a bit. :-)
coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 9:54 PM
exhelodrvr on August 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM
FIBs or GIBs or monkeys or to bad your blind as a bat!
dmann on August 13, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Clarify. Do you fully understand the strategic capabilities of the US? I already said I didn’t. Hell I don’t even know where the seventh fleet is these days.
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 9:49 PM
u da man!
dmann on August 13, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Sorry didn’t mean to butt in, but I was just cruisin’ thru. At least you got the mechanics down coldwarrior.
Texas Gal on August 13, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Hell I don’t even know where the seventh fleet is these days.
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 9:57 PM
You could ask my ex-wife.
coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 10:00 PM
To the tune “Devil went down to Georgia”
It’s kinda obvious, hopefully it hasn’t been done here before.
Putin went down to Georgia
Looking for some land to steal
He was in a bind, NATO on his behind
He wasn’t willin’ to make a deal.
Then he came up some Ossetians
whose tempers were runnin’ hot
So Putin jumped up on a hornbeam stump and said
Boys, let me tell you what.
I bet you didn’t know it
but I hate Georgians too
And if you got a week to spare
I’ll make a trip with you
Now you got some pretty good weapons boys
But give Ole’ Putin his due
I only know they’re good
‘Cause I’ve given them all to you.
Micheal you polish up your guns
and stay up on your feet
‘Cause hell’s broke loose in Greagia
and Putin thinks your beat.
If you win you get a shiny medal made of gold
But if you lose, the Russians eat your soul.
TABoLK on August 13, 2008 at 10:01 PM
I just can’t imagine any of the United States or Coalition forces with old and fresh memories of the battles in Iraq, Afghanistan, Indonesia, and across the front on the War against Islamofascism being so cavalier……….
………. maybe they are reading their own, and ours (MSM), propaganda?
I wonder which way they will run when faced with true battle tested troops?
Seven Percent Solution on August 13, 2008 at 10:01 PM
BTW, the seventh fleet comes after the sixth fleet but before the eighth. Duh.
;P
TABoLK on August 13, 2008 at 10:02 PM
The thought comes to mind that hiding while we’ve got US military in transit on those roads might not be a very good idea. So this might be intentional.
Texas Gal on August 13, 2008 at 10:05 PM
And that is why you fail.
My kitty says:
Et tu Brute on August 13, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Sontag got enough wrong that her book is interesting fiction based on rumor. Walker is the one I hold in gross contempt and Mitsubishi heavy industry isn’t a big favorite of mine either. That computer equipment they sold to the Soviets really hacked me off. Haven’t heard much about that lately. Things got pretty quiet.
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 10:08 PM
coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Your name befits you sir!
dmann on August 13, 2008 at 10:09 PM
ROFLOL. WestPac Widow is she? You guys gotta stop this I’m spewing coffee all over my monitor.
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Ah well, I guess I’ll just have to accept my failings and move on.
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Walker.
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 10:08 PM
What we know of what the Soviets were able to reconstruct from what he provided them will never ever be released…well, maybe in about 30 years or so when the classification schedule rolls over. 20+ years of signals intel made an open book for them. Tied to a post on the Capitol Mall facing a firing squad is still too good a punishment for Walker.
coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 10:09 PM –
WestPac widow? No. In DC these days. Just developed a calling to go where the “boys” are.
coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Those guys he put in danger are friends of mine, even the ones I don’t actually know.
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Either that or do your own damn research. I’m not doing it for you.
My kitty says:
Et tu Brute on August 13, 2008 at 10:24 PM
I asked you a simple question about what you know. Since I don’t even know who you really are no amount of research will shed any light on that.
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 10:26 PM
coldwarrior on August 13, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Far be it from me to say but…..hammer time dawg!
twisted wreckage
dmann on August 13, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Yup… but the best part is that they don’t know if we’re filling them with air or a flammable substance.
I love it… let them waste bandwidth …lol!
jerrytbg on August 13, 2008 at 10:29 PM
US military in transit on those roads, TG?
Imaginary troops?
alphie on August 13, 2008 at 10:30 PM
WHAAA!!!
My kitty says:
Et tu Brute on August 13, 2008 at 10:31 PM
I feel so humbled. You win.
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Yep, lets send aid to eveyone has his brother. Please, use my tax dollars for anyone but the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA……
foxone on August 13, 2008 at 10:35 PM
I really give a F***** for other counties.
foxone on August 13, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Don’t be like that. You know you like it or you wouldn’t have stuck around for the humiliation.
My kitty says:
Et tu Brute on August 13, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Et tu Kitty, you so stole the idea from CyberCipher’s Collie. Wait until he gets a hold of you.
Oldnuke, I don’t know which is more challenging, alphie or Et tu Brutal.
Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 10:41 PM
coldwarrior, please follow my instructions, from the bottom of the previous page – don’t give up. It’s only hard the first time around.
Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM
I was a gopher (E5)at SUBLANT when the Walker story hit. What a terribly depressing time that was. When the 2 and 3 stars’ started screaming at each other and everyone else (E3s and below were not exempt) out of frustration and absolute betrayal, you know it’s a bad day. Summer of ‘85. Ick.
For you non-mil types, a “star” is an Admiral or General officer. It is rare for a star to go after a low-ranking enlisted man verbally.
I thought it was Toshiba/Konigsberg that made the sale. Going from memory here, so I’ll have to look that up. But yeah, it got real quiet, real fast.
BobMbx on August 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Who?
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Actually, my kitty runs the show around here.
Blame him. But yes, he ripped it off from Cyber…oh crap!
Kitty is coming back in the room. I have to go now…
Uh…be back later!
Et tu Brute on August 13, 2008 at 10:46 PM
You could always go verify it for us and report back with pictures.
Texas Gal on August 13, 2008 at 10:50 PM
I knew you’d understand :-). You may be right about Toshiba. There was something about MHI too but may have been unrelated. Around work we had some discussions about the V IIIs and the obvious changes that had occurred. We didn’t know what but we knew something was up. Then the story broke and we nuked out the rest. The highest officer I ever heard ream out an enlisted man was a commander, our XO and that was his job. Are you a member of SubVets?
Oldnuke on August 13, 2008 at 10:52 PM
I don’t need to, TG.
I know that Congress would have to declare war before little Bush could send our troops into the Russian buzz saw…
That’s how the Constitution works.
Maybe Grandpa McCain can order them in, though(in his mind, at least)…
alphie on August 13, 2008 at 10:57 PM
I see.
You have a reading comprehension problem.
Texas Gal on August 13, 2008 at 11:01 PM
alphie, Clinton sure declared war…in fact hardly any presidents of late have declared such…not that it’s right, I just want you to be consistent.
Also, how do you explain being against intervention in Georgia, and arguing that the Americans are chicken for not intervening? Don’t hide – just explain.
Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Hey! Even I’m getting a little tired of all this – My kitty says – litter so you should be able to figure out how tired everyone else must be getting of it.
FeralCat on August 13, 2008 at 11:06 PM
How would you choose to influence the rest of the world? How would you win the trust, fear and/or respect from our allies and enemies?
Send_Me on August 13, 2008 at 11:08 PM
alphie on August 13, 2008 at 10:57 PM
On what day did Congress declare war on: (hint: this is a trick question)
Afghanistan
Iraq (#2)
Bosnia/Serbia (et al)
Sudan
Somalia
Iraq (#1)
Nicaragua
Grenada
Liberia (Embassy rescue)
and last but not least, Vietnam
This is not a complete list, but is sufficient to prove my point.
Second trick question: What was the last declared war for the US?
If you ask nicely, I’ll give you the answers, and properly educate you on POTUS authority given by the US Constitution.
BobMbx on August 13, 2008 at 11:13 PM
ooo ooo ooo I know, I know, call on me, call on me!!
TABoLK on August 13, 2008 at 11:15 PM
I know, Bob.
I was just hoping someone would post a list of the sorry ass countries we’ve attacked since WWII.
Thanks
alphie on August 13, 2008 at 11:30 PM
alphie was seen studiously preparing the answers to all the tough questions posed, just recently…lalalalalalalalalala
Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 11:30 PM
alphie, you just proved again what a chicken your side is, you included.
Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 11:31 PM
You are so clever….I am in awe…
jerrytbg on August 13, 2008 at 11:32 PM
alphie, the list doesn’t even contain the “rogue” activities the U.S. conducted in South America, against those sorry commies…I’m playing the violin for you.
Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Reality………. Look up into the night sky, we seeeeee yoooooooouuuuuu……. pleasant dreams.
Seven Percent Solution on August 13, 2008 at 11:37 PM
+1
Pseudo-democracies seem to like this method of camouflage. Of course, many real democracies use it also–with a separation of duties in varying levels. The UK uses it, except that, in that case, president=monarch and the PM has all the governmental duties.
baldilocks on August 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM
I wonder what you would have thought about the Poles, Dutch, French and others who helped a relatively small band of folks on a distant continent.
I wonder if you would have been with the many in America who said we should not go to war with Germany, since they hadn’t attacked us.
I’ll pose the same question to you as I did to foxone: how would you win the fear, trust, and/or respect of our allies and enemies in the world?
I’m not defending how we fought most of the conflicts of the 20th century, but I do defend the jus ad bellum for them.
Send_Me on August 13, 2008 at 11:48 PM
I think we all have to admit Pax Americana is dead, Send_Me.
It’s the first step to replacing it with something decent.
alphie on August 14, 2008 at 12:15 AM
Gee, I missed Alex Jones’ show today. How was it?
MadisonConservative on August 14, 2008 at 12:20 AM
Define “something decent.”
Send_Me on August 14, 2008 at 12:26 AM
If you want a better understanding of what we [the West] are up against in light of this Georgian episode, I highly recommend this
This is much much larger than the Georgian conflict.
Tsar Vladimir has had his coronation.
coldwarrior on August 14, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Send_Me, we’ll “hope” and “change” will happen, and we’ll all be “unified”.
Entelechy on August 14, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Yeay, coldwarrior!!!
Entelechy on August 14, 2008 at 12:31 AM
The general is a symptom of what I like to refer to as the Spirit of Judas.
baldilocks on August 14, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Entelechy on August 14, 2008 at 12:31 AM –
Spent a good part of the evening watching the AEI panel on “Russia, Georgia, and the Challenge to the West” on C-SPAN. Video is available on the AEI website. I’d like to get a transcript when its is avaiable.
Good stuff. Critique much more than criticism, something rare in DC anymore.
coldwarrior on August 14, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Don’t know, Send_Me,
Though, it will be much better to include China than to oppose it.
alphie on August 14, 2008 at 12:41 AM
baldilocks, he saddens me. There was a time I’d have followed him into hell, really. Too bad that I no longer feel that way. You and I will talk in person in the next six months. We’re related in many ways, not by blood, but in many others. Dinner on me, after the elections.
Entelechy on August 14, 2008 at 12:42 AM
Transcript of Rice’s Press Conference today
Texas Gal on August 14, 2008 at 12:46 AM
Nice link, TG.
Condi Rice counting on the French to save her…dignity.
Who’d a thunk it?
alphie on August 14, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Three things I can’t stand on this site that are happening with greater frequency by the day.
1. The increased use of name calling and other fallacies of relevance.
2. Folks rarely try to answer honest questions posed to them. Most either ignore the question all together or give smart aleck answer.
3. A lack of intellectual honesty. It’s okay to be wrong, folks. I thought we were trying to find what is “right” or “true”? If someone says something that causes you to at least think about changing your position, at least acknowledge that. It’s not personal. How can it be? We’re talking online using pseudonyms :)
Send_Me on August 14, 2008 at 12:53 AM
How and why? With what leverage? To what end? What should we be willing to compromise? Is this based upon fear or principle?
Send_Me on August 14, 2008 at 12:56 AM
If your goal is to bring peace to the world, it helps to start with a quarter of the world’s population is why, send.
That, and unlike America, they can pay for whatever missions that are decided upon.
alphie on August 14, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Entelechy on August 14, 2008 at 12:42 AM –
I think Powell is going thru what a number of senior retired military friends of mine have gone thru, and a lot of my Dad’s friends/military colleagues did as well. [No intent to besmirch ANY retired military officer here. Just a few observations I have made over the years.]
For many, after retirement comes a period of energy and such, followed by a loss of direction, the realization that the military career is over, no one to command, nobody wearing name tags and distinctive rank insignia, not being part of a recognizable structure. (All these cvivilians running around with nobody in charge is a common “complaint.”)
As a group, of those I have witnessed over the years, they tend, after a few years of meeting and entering civilian life, to gravitate toward anyone of energy, who offers a shoulder, if you will, commisseration, or flattery, playing on their outstanding military career, and they can (and many do) fall into a new line of thinking. My Dad went thru it. So did a number of his military friends. [So did General Grant.]
That transition to civilian life after 20-30 years in uniform is a tough row to hoe.
Powell was doing quite well with his Children’s Health Fund and his Smile train and both brought him in contact with a lot of folks with whom he’d never have had reason to associate. This is when he started turning more toward the activism crowd. Here he got recognition that went beyond his military service, this was something he made, with his own hands…and the recognition was only part of it. That new circle of friends was a nother part of it.
The only personal after military observation I ever had of Powell was at a foreign car parts/mechanic place in Northern Virginia. He liked to rebuild old Volvo’s. Anyway, I have no imperical data on Powell’s post-military to civilian trransition, but he cannot be immune to the transititon phenomena that many many in the military once retired go through.
I have to believe his involvement in the Children’s health Fund and Smile Train, pretty awesome causes, and something Powell relished, are at the root of his apparent “endorsement” of Obama, something as of this afternoon, he apparently has denied.
coldwarrior on August 14, 2008 at 1:00 AM
Time to sleep. See you late-night diehards in the morning.
Send_Me on August 14, 2008 at 1:05 AM
…oh yeah, your first language is Russian. Silly me.
MadisonConservative on August 14, 2008 at 1:06 AM
coldwarrior on August 14, 2008 at 1:00 AM
I know what you describe coldwarrior – had a three-star general as a neighbor, for many years. I was his best bud, one of few women he liked and respected, this from his wife, precisely because I respected his rank and asked him often to tell stories from years past. I visited him in the hospital to his dying days. He was a grump but I knew how to reach his dark soul. To this day I miss him terribly. He was the armed guard I never had to pay for. Not even rats moved without his inquiry as of who they were, and what their purpose for being there was.
However, the story of Powell is different and we’ll discuss more in other threads, related directly to him. I know there was on on HA today, but the Georgia topi had me more fascinated, and is way more important now.
Glad you linked, though. Small great progress :)
Good night all, warriors, and peacenicks, alike. Don’t let the bugs bite, and sleep well, so long as we still can.
Entelechy on August 14, 2008 at 1:13 AM
Do you want full blown communism or communism light? In what part of Russia do you live?
Johan Klaus on August 14, 2008 at 2:25 AM
LOLZ!
Oh…that right there is simply precious.
Russian “buzz saw”…lessee what Ivan’s track record has been since “<The Great
Eastern European Land GrabPatriotic War”:Murdered or consigned to death millions of POWs and civillians from Eastern Europe and Germany while consolidating power over their lands.
Attempting to starve and freeze German civillians to death in Berlin with a blockade.
Murder of Hungarian civs in ‘58.
Murder of Czech civs in ‘68.
Served as the Politburo’s apparatus of mass murder for 40 odd years.
Failed invasion of Afghanistan.
Grueling war in Chechneya with no end in sight.
Invasion of Georgia whilst most of their combat troops were out of the country.
Yeah, I suppose your team looks pretty formidable…if you think 50+ years of mowing down helpless civs and invading tiny countries is the measuring stick for such things.
SuperCool on August 14, 2008 at 2:34 AM
Ya, they really look formidable.
Johan Klaus on August 14, 2008 at 2:45 AM
VERY demoralizing article
MB4 on August 14, 2008 at 3:38 AM
I was just joking yesterday that the right thing to do in this situation would be to send US military peacekeepers (Army corps of engineers/medical personnel) to Gori and anywhere else that was savaged by Russia. This way we can secure ports under the pretense of logistics for helping Georgia rebuild and essentially stand in front of Russia and dare them to do something stupid. Stepping in front of the bully seems like the right thing to do here, though I admit my foreign policy is trumped by my ethics.
blankminde on August 14, 2008 at 8:40 AM
Yipes. Sometimes the truth does hurt.
Dark-Star on August 14, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Alphie,
Why don’t you do yourself a favour and shut your fucking mouth. You’re so out of your element, I’m embarrassed for you. You’ve proved yourself ignorant on every topic you’ve attempted to tackle.
This goes for the rest of you pansy ass, Liberal douchebags throwing around the word ‘Chickenhawke’ too. I sincerely hope your ass gets drafted in the next major conflict with these warmongering, communist fascists.
Good day.
You-Eh-Vee on August 14, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Hey folks: let’s have an agreement.
In all threads he appears in, DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!!
You all know who I am talking about.
Hard to do, I know, but let’s give it a shot.
pseudonominus on August 14, 2008 at 11:03 AM
pseudonominus on August 14, 2008 at 11:03 AM –
Aww, gee, Dad…yeah, I guess you’re right…I’ll try…really…
(shuffling out of the romm, head hanging…shoulders drooped…)
[it is just that the one of whom we must not speak is such an inviting target....]
coldwarrior on August 14, 2008 at 11:06 AM
I don’t but I’m just smart enough (barely) to realize that what happens to them eventually impacts us.
TooTall on August 14, 2008 at 11:29 AM
ooh, ooh, I just had an epiphany:
any chance the troll is AP trying to get post counts up?
hehehe
urbancenturion on August 14, 2008 at 1:32 PM
The Russian buzz saw would be broken by the steel of the USMC, U.S. Army and the USAF. Nuff said.
Johan Klaus on August 14, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Bush needs to grow a pair and insert special forces/SEALS into Georgia to bloody the Russians noses and blow that damned tunnel
bill30097 on August 14, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Russian buzz saw?
Akzed on August 14, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Perhaps a true republic instead of the half-baked morass of a ‘democratic’ oligopoly we have now?
Dark-Star on August 14, 2008 at 6:54 PM
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