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McCain: Lieberman and Graham are going to Georgia

posted at 7:31 pm on August 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A sour note in an otherwise strong statement proposing harsh consequences for Russia’s aggression, from booting them out of the G8 to rejecting their membership in the WTO to sending peacekeepers to their new Sudetenland in Ossetia and Abkhazia. He’s careful to say that Liebs and Graham will be going in their capacity as senators and members of the Armed Services Committee (and invites other members to go with them), but given the context and the fact that they’re his two most ardent supporters, it comes off like he’s dispatching them as envoys. Questions that pop to mind: Do Committee members really need to conduct their own fact-finding missions in the middle of a hot war? State and Defense briefings could probably get them up to speed. And what would the reaction have been if The One had made this move first with Bayh and Webb in the surrogate roles? Would have seemed to me like a transparent attempt to squeeze a photo op from a crisis that the administration’s already straining to manage without needing any extra distractions. Well, here you go.

Update: A transcript from the McCain campaign.

“The situation in Georgia remains perilous. I am pleased by President Bush’s statement this morning, and I support the various steps he outlined including the dispatch of Secretary Rice to Georgia and Europe, the delivery of humanitarian supplies to Georgia by sea and air, and U.S. insistence on Russian compliance with the terms of the ceasefire, which includes the withdrawal of all of its military forces from Georgia. The President’s statement of support for Georgia at this time is of critical importance, not only to the Georgian people but to all countries that are closely monitoring Russian activities and actions.

“I welcome President Sarkozy’s mediation and that of the European Union. I am concerned that the ceasefire agreement omitted any reference to Georgia’s territorial integrity. And, it’s clear that Russia is continuing military operations against Georgian targets despite the agreement, including in areas far from South Ossetia. I am deeply disturbed by reports of looting, burning villages, and killings of civilians that are in areas under Russian control. Anyone committing human rights abuses or acts in violation of the laws of war should be held accountable.

“At a time of high energy prices and instability in global markets, it’s important to understand that events in Georgia — part of a strategic energy corridor — affects individual lives far beyond the Caucasus. Because of the fighting, the Baku-Supsa oil pipeline has been shut down at a time when the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline is also closed. Those pipelines are critical for transporting oil from sources in the Caspian to points west.

“The United States has canceled a planned joint military operation with Russia, but we will now need to review the full range of our relations. With our NATO allies, we must address the future of the alliance’s relationship with Russia and with our G7 partners. We should discuss whether it makes sense for Russia to continue its participation in the G8. We’ll also need to review Russia’s aspiration for membership in the World Trade Organization.

“In addition, I urge discussions about an international peacekeeping operation, including canvassing nations for possible contributions to such a force. NATO should also begin anew, the discussions about a membership track for both Georgia and Ukraine. After the events of the past six days, no one should wonder why countries on Russia’s periphery so ardently seek the security guarantees that alliance membership represents.

“The situation in Georgia remains fluid and dangerous. As soon as possible, my colleagues Senator Lieberman and Senator Graham will be traveling to Georgia. They’re both members of the Senate Armed Services Committee. I hope that other members of the Armed Services Committee in the Senate and they will go together and receive an assessment of the situation and what we need to do in the future to avoid further escalation and also to protect the independence and freedom of the people of this brave democratic ally, the country of Georgia. Thank you.”


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And what would the reaction have been if The One had made this move first with Bayh and Webb in the surrogate roles?

We would’ve been reassured by the media 24/7 that they’re members of the SASC and they’re going in their official roles.

amerpundit on August 13, 2008 at 7:35 PM

I think he’s just trying to show his support for Georgia. TBH if I was a candidate I’d just stay out of the situation altogether (and if I had been Obama I’d have finished my vacation) and let the actually elected officials do the job they were elected to do.

Darth Executor on August 13, 2008 at 7:36 PM

McCain has the credibility on this issue so just about anything he does has little down side since he’s not POTUS yet.

Obama would not have been able to get away with such a move because he is already on triple secret probation after his little German lovefest, his surrogates have already tried to politicize this, and he has been wrong and/or slow off the mark on this crisis.

Advantage McCain.

elduende on August 13, 2008 at 7:36 PM

Well, it might force Russia to think twice about taking the Georgian capitol.

AR on August 13, 2008 at 7:36 PM

Do Committee members really need to conduct their own fact-finding mission in the middle of a hot wa

Don’t they already do it all the time? How many times has Lieberman been to Iraq and Afghanistan? Several times, no? I’m not seeing the big deal here.

terryannonline on August 13, 2008 at 7:37 PM

If McCain goes he’s pandering to foreigners ala the messiah in Germany (as far as the media is concerned). But yes McCain is showing he is in charge.

Zaggs on August 13, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Darth Executor on August 13, 2008 at 7:36 PM

+1

Maybe they’re not on a fact-finding mission, but on a message-carrying one…still, should have stayed here.

Entelechy on August 13, 2008 at 7:38 PM

It depends, what will they do, and how long will
they stay. Did they discuss it with the White
House? Hasn’t McCain already been there? He is no friend of Putin and maybe the added publicity will do something.

After all, the Obama campaign has already taken credit for the ceasefire. So McCain didn’t start this.

cozmo on August 13, 2008 at 7:38 PM

their new Sudetenland

When I check this site one hundred times a day, there’s an example why I can’t stop coming back.

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Why not? Obama is on vaca!

SouthernGent on August 13, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Graham will almost certainly find some willing accomplice in the Russian parliament to form a “Gang of Two” and screw Georgia to the wall.

DerKrieger on August 13, 2008 at 7:39 PM

I hope that other members of the Armed Services Committee in the Senate and they will go together and receive an assessment of the situation and what we need to do in the future to avoid further escalation and also to protect the independence and freedom of the people of this brave democratic ally, the country of Georgia.

This seems like an invitation to democrats to go, too. Unless they want to McCain envoys, it seems like a Senate thing and not a direct part of the campaign.

Right_of_Attila on August 13, 2008 at 7:40 PM

I’m surprised he mentioned the actual logistical ramifications of the violence (read: the OIL). Usually that stuff is mentioned later, but consider the way he’s branded, as all Republicans are, as part of big oil, its surprising to see it actually mentioned in this statement. It obviously is a major reason, but I guess this is just more proof of Straight Talk Express rather than politicking.

jimmy the notable on August 13, 2008 at 7:41 PM

I take it to mean that either Liebs or Graham will be SecState in a McCain administration, and he’s sending them to create a sense of continuity from the current administration to the possible next administration. Not a bad idea for the president of Georgia to meet and become comfortable with the person who has a 50/50 chance of taking Condi’s place in a few months.

I would not have a problem with Obama doing the same thing, actually. This is a volatile and important situation that is developing rapidly and will be a factor in the next president’s administration one way or another. Not really the time or place for playing politics. I would actually be reassured to know that Obama was sending someone who could help educate him about Russia’s power play, since it’s so painfully obvious that he needs such an education.

aero on August 13, 2008 at 7:42 PM

Sounds like the plot to a Don Knotts movie.

I remember when we “only had one President at a time…”

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 7:43 PM

I find nothing wrong with this. It is just the two important members of the Armed Services Committee sending a strong message that the US is behind Georgia and it is also members who are fully pledged in support of Georgia long before Russia came in.

Fred Thompson is on Mark Levin right now and recalls his visit with McCain to Georgia with the other senators. So I find no problem in the members visiting Georgia.

jencab on August 13, 2008 at 7:44 PM

He should have really stirred the pot and sent Hillary along as well.

rw on August 13, 2008 at 7:44 PM

Why not? Obama is on vaca!

SouthernGent on August 13, 2008 at 7:38 PM

In his Hood, friggin’ Hawaii.

I’m sure all the Black skinned, twentieth generation, ancestors of slaves, Black Americans can relate to that!

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 7:45 PM

I know what you are saying here AP, but I just don’t get the beef at all. I don’t care that it looks like they are being dispatched…they are US Senators on the Armed Services Committee and this is a major national security issue…yes, the left can be counted on to support Russia’s aggression and will criticize this…so what. Second, Graham and Lieberman are the types that would actually listen to the Whitehouse if the Whitehouse told them that they really didn’t want them to go…unlike Dhimmicrats who visit Syria, etc. Finally, yes, Senators are politicians (Gasp!!!) and this is a cause they clearly want to highlight to the American people…maybe even to show the kind of issues they believe in…Good! I don’t mind a principled stand, even if it is political, for a good cause.

AUINSC on August 13, 2008 at 7:49 PM

So I find no problem in the members visiting Georgia.

Same here. If Obama announced that Joe Biden and other was going to Georgia to asses the situation, I would have no problem with it.

terryannonline on August 13, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Oh, please don’t tell me this is confirmation that he is considering either Lierberman or Graham to be his running mate?

Blake on August 13, 2008 at 7:53 PM

asses

Sorry that was suppose two have two s’s. My bad :)

terryannonline on August 13, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Shoot, McCain is polling strong on this and he thinks keeping it simmering is good to make BO look really poor in comparison.

BJ* on August 13, 2008 at 7:54 PM

asses
Sorry that was suppose two have two s’s. My bad :)

terryannonline on August 13, 2008 at 7:54 PM

You were talking about Obama and Biden. Freudian slip.

Wethal on August 13, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Every high profile politician, Ameican especially, going to Georgia raises the stakes for Putin & Co, and makes it more difficult for them to force regime change, turn Georgia into a vassal state, and pressure the other former Soviet states. Sending two men from the leading Republican candidate’s inner circle is all to the good – unless you’re of the opinion that we should just cave in. If Obama were to send representatives – Biden and Webb maybe – that would be a good thing, too, actually, and I suspect they’d be quite welcome. If they’re not going, it suggests either that the Democrats aren’t as supportive or that they don’t want to look like they’re following McCain’s lead. Neither would reflect well on them – again, unless you’re taking the Russian side.

CK MacLeod on August 13, 2008 at 8:00 PM

The more high profile Americans there are in Georgia the better, It will make it a lot harder for the Russians to take the capitol.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Why do I get the feeling we’ve been in World War III for quite a while now, and it’s only just now starting to get obvious?

aero on August 13, 2008 at 8:00 PM

I’m learning to leave it to Allah to find every cloud within Republican silver.

leftnomore on August 13, 2008 at 8:01 PM

I do hope when they leave,their packing heat!

canopfor on August 13, 2008 at 8:02 PM

If Obama were to send representatives – Biden and Webb maybe – that would be a good thing, too, actually, and I suspect they’d be quite welcome.

Yep.

terryannonline on August 13, 2008 at 8:03 PM

I’m taking odds on Lieberman for VP, and yes, that bothers me. If Maverick takes on a conservative for VP, there’s a better chance of all of this coming out OK.

Liebrman is an ’80s Democrat, which is not good enough.

Hening on August 13, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Are you calling Lieberman and Graham human shields, Terrye?

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Sounds like the plot to a Don Knotts movie.

I remember when we “only had one President at a time…”

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 7:43 PM

Why do I get the strong vibe that you didn’t post anything like this when Pelosi met with the murderous thug Assad in Syria? Oh, I remember now…you are our resident hypocritical lefty, that’s why! But don’t think we don’t love ya!

AUINSC on August 13, 2008 at 8:09 PM

If McCain said that he was hopping on a plane to Georgia, it would look like political opportunism. By sending Lieb and Grammsie, he look like he is taking the initiative but not being opportunistic.

If McCain gets on a plane to anywhere, he should go alone, pop over to Germany, visit our soldiers without an entourage or photographers, then let the quite visit leak to the press…

tommylotto on August 13, 2008 at 8:10 PM

“… but given the context and the fact that they’re his two most ardent supporters, it comes off like he’s dispatching them as envoys. Questions that pop to mind: Do Committee members really need to conduct their own fact-finding missions in the middle of a hot war?”

I read the heading with mild approval, but your gut instinct hits the nail here, AP. I can see them going, at some time and for some reasons, but this is neither the time, place or way in which to do it, particularly with McCain announcing it.

Dusty on August 13, 2008 at 8:10 PM

OT: I noticed nobody had noticed this. It’s in Denver.

Amount of cyanide found in hotel room could have ‘killed hundreds’

boomer on August 13, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Are you calling Lieberman and Graham human shields, Terrye?

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 8:06 PM

How astute of you to compare them to the morons who went to Iraq to put a stick in the eye of their own country. Not the hostages from the earlier conflict who were called the same thing.

I prefer trip-wires, and I’m sure Obama’s representatives would be the same. Unless you know better?

cozmo on August 13, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Actually I hadn’t noticed anyone talk about it. The wife is talking to me too much. heh

boomer on August 13, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Randy Scheunemann, John McCain’s chief foreign policy adviser and his business partner lobbied the senator or his staff on 49 occasions in a 3 1/2-year span while being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by the government of the former Soviet republic of Georgia…

“On April 17, a month and a half after Scheunemann stopped working for Georgia, his partner signed a $200,000 agreement with the Georgian government. The deal added to an arrangement that brought in more than $800,000 to the two-man firm from 2004 to mid-2007…

Some have even referred to it as “dirty dancing”…!

J_Gocht on August 13, 2008 at 8:13 PM

J_Gocht on August 13, 2008 at 8:13 PM

So, what exactly are you getting at?

War for money?

cozmo on August 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Meanwhile, the chosen one is surfing. Maybe he would like to try windsurfing.

tarpon on August 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Are you calling Lieberman and Graham human shields, Terrye?
alphie on August 13, 2008 at 8:06 PM

You are a really funny person. Where did you get ‘human shields’ from Terrye post? If I was a comedy writer, you would give me material daily :-)

terryannonline on August 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Why doesn’t McCain link Georgia to “drill drill drill”. It’s made for it. Russia’s WAR FOR OIL is the perfect setup to push drilling through the Congress.

tarpon on August 13, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Yesterday Ben Smith is convinced it’s raining white girls, today he’s wringing his hands about McCain (together with Senate bad boys Graham and Lieberman) launching a bloodless coup. Frankly, it’s all starting to sound a trifle overwrought.

And isn’t it a little late for the media to start complaining about congressional intrusions into the presidential powers?

Infidoll on August 13, 2008 at 8:20 PM

alphie:

No. I am not. I am just saying that the Russians might not mind killing Georgians, but they might think twice about a couple of US Senators.

It is really something how when a bad thing happens we can count on folks like you to reflexively champion the other side.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Are you calling Lieberman and Graham human shields,Terrye?

alphie on Aug 13,2008 at 8:06PM.

alphie: What war are you in? It was the peace lovin,
anti-war nutcases who were going to lay,er
chain themselves to protect Saddam’s sorry
rear end,during the first Gulf War,that was
the real human shields!

Human Shields=screwed up Liberals!

Protecting the Human Shields from them-
selves=US Military!

canopfor on August 13, 2008 at 8:25 PM

So, what exactly are you getting at? War for money?
cozmo on August 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM

From what St Mc told Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili yesterday…

”We’re all Georgians now”

I’d say both; first war and then money.
That’s what war is all about, cozmo!

Money!

J_Gocht on August 13, 2008 at 8:28 PM

I don’t know about “champion the other side,” Terrye.

It’s just interesting to see the corruption of the neocons so visible(payments to McCain’s advisors).

You did just describe the role of human shields, btw, Terrye.

I do picture Lieberman and Graham joining hands as they stand guard over Saakashvili’s checkbook and singing some crappy CW song…haha.

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Why doesn’t McCain link Georgia to “drill drill drill”. It’s made for it. Russia’s WAR FOR OIL is the perfect setup to push drilling through the Congress.

tarpon on August 13, 2008 at 8:19 PM

He did refer to the need to reduce dependence on foreign oil in his press conference, and specifcally referred to Russia’s possible ambitions towards the pipeline that runs from Central Asia through Georgia to Turkey.

Wethal on August 13, 2008 at 8:30 PM

J:

So what? I fail to see the big deal. Oh My God, say it is not true, an American who has ties to and is friends with someone who is connected to the Georgian government, that horrid little democracy which is being invaded and stomped on by the brave Ruskies.

And yes, I am being sarcastic.

And people wondered why Bush did not send in the military. Hell there would be people on the left who would expect him to send the help to the Russians not the Georgians.

Remember, no matter what bad thing happens anywhere in the world, it is the fault of right wing Republicans. Bush probably planned the whole thing.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 8:30 PM

alphie:

Corruption? What a joke. That is so stupid.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 8:31 PM

I mean now if Obama wants to be advised by people who are connected to Hamas, that is okay fine. No big deal. No corruption there.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 8:32 PM

It’s almost like he does something crazy like acting as if he’s president and not a presidential candidate.

freevillage on August 13, 2008 at 8:33 PM

J:

So what is wrong with what McCain said?

Oh but then, I forget. You are the guy who said that the war in Iraq had killed 1.3 million Iraqis are you not? Am I mistaken?

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 8:34 PM

freevillage on August 13, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Oh goody…Obama-thing #2 has now shown up….

AUINSC on August 13, 2008 at 8:36 PM

freevillage:

I don’t see any presidential seals up there in front of McCain..

Lieberman and Graham have also been to Iraq many times. They are not strangers to these kinds of trips.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 8:36 PM

This is all about oil,the Ruskies want the oil,
thats the bottom line,and every Liberal should
be awfully proud,for Libs,it’ll drive the price
of gas right where they want it to be!

Enviromental wacko’s,rejoice!

Oh wait, the Ruskies bombed the
oil pipeline!

Waiting for the outcry from
Enviromentalists,chirp!chirp!chirp!

canopfor on August 13, 2008 at 8:36 PM

Saakashvili just signed the “peace agreement” offered him by Sarkozy and the EU (details).

It’s an astonishing capitulation.

One of the principles established include this stunning statement:

Russia has the right to use its military force to bomb and invade the undisputed sovereign territory of a neighbor for the purpose of defending the “dignity and lives of Russian citizens,” which was the basis that [Russian PM] Medvedev has repeatedly advanced for the operation.

Russia will not be satisifed with protecting the “dignity” of Russians only in Georgia.

The gathering storm approaches.

SteveMG on August 13, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Bush probably planned the whole thing. Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 8:30 PM

Actually Terrye the problem is President Bush and his short sighted neocon advisors couldn’t see beyond their short sighted lack of planning whilst they buried us in the despicable quagmire, that is Iraq!

They have dealt themselves a deadman’s hand!

J_Gocht on August 13, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Geez…I applaud their decision to physically go to that hot spot. It’s called leadership, it’s called supporting our allies, it’s called being a man.

David in ATL on August 13, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Its almost….

freevillage on Aug 13,2008 8:33PM.

freevillage:SSSsshhhhhhhhhhhh,I don’t want to say this too
loud,but your Lefty biased Liberal MSM,has
already crowned Hopey as the President of the
United States of America!

And thats exactly how Changey is behaving,
a la Germany,at the outdoor rallys,remember!

canopfor on August 13, 2008 at 8:45 PM

Yeah, David,

That makes them as brave as millions of Georgian woman and children!

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 8:46 PM

They have dealt themselves a deadman’s hand!

And if we weren’t in Iraq, exactly what course of action do you think we could do?

Send in the 82nd airborne?

If we had never gone into Iraq, we still wouldn’t have the ability to take Russia on at its borders.

Besides, we’re not risking a nuclear war over Georgia.

Please, enough with this neocon and Iraq excuse for every action that we can’t respond to.

SteveMG on August 13, 2008 at 8:49 PM

To quote an olde military acronym, Bush has FUBARed everything he’s ever done and St Mc’ is his twin brother.

J_Gocht on August 13, 2008 at 8:51 PM

That makes them as brave as millions of Georgian woman and children!

Hey Alphie, the Russian army is looting and pillaging Georgia just like the Red Army did in WWII.

Boy, those bring back the memories, eh?

You must be just thrilled.

SteveMG on August 13, 2008 at 8:53 PM

The gathering storm approaches…

SteveMG on Aug 13,2008 at 8:39PM.

SteveMG:Here comes a no-brainer!

The next nut-case conspiracy is going to be that
Rove planned this,and that President Bush will
declare an emergency,and that the elections,will
be on hold!

Mark my words,the Liberal moombats have been
floating this crock of sh#t since 911!

canopfor on August 13, 2008 at 8:54 PM

J:

I don’t think the quagmire is Iraq, I think it is the partisans on the left who care more about putting the screws to the Republicans and winning elections than they do anything else. I mean that. Their greatest fear is that Iraq will turn out to be a decent country ruled by a decent government that does not put its population into mass graves. They are counting on failure, they feed off of it like vultures on road kill.

Now the Clinton administration, which was not run by a bunch of neocons {whoever they hell they are} had two terms to deal with Saddam. Instead they rattled their sabers and kicked that can down the road to the next guy to deal with. And then undermined him and hoped for disaster.

And thus far, they have not come up with any magic wands to deal with Russia either. They just sit back, let someone else take the lead and criticize them when they do.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 8:54 PM

And btw, the idea that 1.3 million Iraqis died in the war is pure insanity.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 8:55 PM

You must be mistaken, Steve,

St. Ronnie and the Knights of the Right defeated the pesky Reds back in the last century…remember?

And them Commies in China, too!

If they’re still around, then everything the right believes…is a lie (gasp!).

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 8:57 PM

To quote an olde military acronym, Bush has FUBARed everything he’s ever done and St Mc’ is his twin brother

.

Russia violates international law, rapes a neighboring country, and Bush is to blame?

Gawd. No culpability to Putin and Moscow, I suppose.

Strange times. A fascist Russia takes over a smaller, barely defensible country on the other side of the globe and Bush is to blame.

This is why our adversaries are so emboldened. They know that whatever they do, whatever transgression they commit, will be blamed not on them, but the President of the US.

Amazing.

Bush Derangement Syndrome, full blown case.

SteveMG on August 13, 2008 at 8:57 PM

Why do you guys respond to the $hit-stirrers? They’re not here to engage in reasoned discourse, you know. And they’re not persuadable. They just like poking hornets’ nests. You’re wasting your time engaging with them.

aero on August 13, 2008 at 8:58 PM

St. Ronnie and the Knights of the Right defeated the pesky Reds back in the last century…remember?

And this is the source of your animus towards conservatives, then?

Hmm, I always wondered where it came from…

SteveMG on August 13, 2008 at 8:59 PM

Steve:

I think it remains to be seen what this peace deal means. I heard someone else saying it gives Russia the right to occupy South Ossetia, but they were there already.

I don’t know, I read over at Instapundit yesterday that it gave a lot more to the Goergians than the Russians, IF the Russians are honest. A big IF.

I am honestly not sure what is in this deal.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 9:00 PM

you must be thrilled..

SteveMG on Aug 13,2008 at 8:52PM.

SteveMG: Trust me,they don’t give a rats #ss,Putin
might as well ringed Georgia with artillery
like the end of Berlin WW2!

And the left has kittens over a laser munition
gone astray,compared to the deliberately targeting
of civilians with ethnic cleansing at its primary
objectives!

canopfor on August 13, 2008 at 9:01 PM

Steve:

This is the quote from Instapundit I was talking about {of course a lot has happened since yesterday.}

ILYA SOMIN ON THE RUSSIA/GEORGIA CEASEFIRE AGREEMENT: “If this agreement holds (a big if), it’s a better outcome than I would have expected. Georgia’s democratic government will remain in place, despite Russia’s previous determination to overthrow it. The Russians will not have destroyed Georgia’s oil pipeline to Europe (the most important pipeline in the region that doesn’t pass through Russian or Iranian territory). And Russia will renounce future use of force against Georgia and reduce its forces in the secessionist regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia to their prewar levels. I am skeptical that the Russians will fully respect the last two commitments. Nonetheless, the outcome could have been far worse. Why did Russia accept an arrangement that falls so far short of their maximum objectives?”

Austin Bay, on the other hand, calls the diplomatic aftermath “dire.”

UPDATE: Much more here. Plus this:

President Mikheil Saakashvili told a rally that Georgia would quit the Russian-led Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), a grouping of former Soviet states, and urged Ukraine to follow suit.

Georgia has received strong support from other former communist states with the leaders of Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic states travelling to Tbilisi where they addressed a mass rally.

“You have the right to freedom and independence. We are here to demonstrate our solidarity … freedom is worth fighting for,” shouted Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko in live pictures carried by Georgian television.

Georgia took Russia before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for “alleged acts of ethnic cleansing” between 1993 and 2008, starting with the period when Russian peacekeepers entered Georgia’s breakaway regions.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Graham will almost certainly find some willing accomplice in the Russian parliament to form a “Gang of Two” and screw Georgia to the wall.
DerKrieger on August 13, 2008 at 7:39 PM

One can only hope, Derrrr.

wise_man on August 13, 2008 at 9:06 PM

Terrye:

I think it remains to be seen what this peace deal means. I heard someone else saying it gives Russia the right to occupy South Ossetia, but they were there already.

Well, that’s a given (no pun intended).

It also says that Georgia may not use force against the two regions (South Ossetia and Abkhazia).

If Russia now has the “right” to intervene in these two regions to protect the “dignity” of Russians living there, why doesn’t that give Russia the right to protect Russians in the Ukraine? Or the other republics?

Very dangerous precedent.

Let’s blame the neocons!!!

Oy.

SteveMG on August 13, 2008 at 9:06 PM

“the source of your animus towards conservatives” is when I realized they’re just all in it for personal enrichment, Steve…but that’s a different topic.

How is the right’s rescue of Georgia coming along?

All that BS having any effect on Russian troop movements yet?

alphie on August 13, 2008 at 9:06 PM

And the left has kittens over a laser munition
gone astray,compared to the deliberately targeting
of civilians with ethnic cleansing at its primary
objectives!

You got that right.

A US soldier throws a Koran in a toilet and they go nuts.

Russia swallows up an entire country and they blame who?

Bush!!! The neocons!!!

This is why, in part, these countries are more willing to challenge us. They see the response by these types and are emboldened.

Crazy times.

SteveMG on August 13, 2008 at 9:08 PM

Unbelievable. A black racist working in Assoc. Press pretending to be an ethnically Georgian journalist stationed in Tbilisi, claims that Saakashvili lies as much as the Russian officials do.

His comments — along with a stream of biased, conflicting and often false information coming from both Russian and Georgian officials — have made it hard to figure out what is really happening in the world’s latest hotspot.

freevillage on August 13, 2008 at 9:08 PM

Why do you guys respond to the $hit-stirrers? They’re not here to engage in reasoned discourse, you know. And they’re not persuadable. They just like poking hornets’ nests. You’re wasting your time engaging with them.

aero on August 13, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Because a lot of people who read this don’t post replies. The lefties cannot back up their arguments. When confronted with facts, they make stuff up or divert the subject. If they aren’t confronted, they just spew their bile without end.

They might not think they get stung, but the folks reading know that they have.

And its entertaining on a slow night.

cozmo on August 13, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Steve:

The amazing thing is that Obama is starting to sound like McCain and yet his groupies are still railing at McCain. I guess they have not noticed Obama’s latest shift to the right here.

In truth, the Georgians were probably provoked by the Russians just so that the Russians could do this. I read or heard somewhere that the Bush administration was telling the Georgian government to be on the lookout for something like this.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 9:10 PM

How is the right’s rescue of Georgia coming along?

All that BS having any effect on Russian troop movements yet?

As I said above, because of the location we can’t do anything about it. It’s too far away.

Plus, we’re simply not going to war with a nuclear armed Russia over Georgia. It’s not a vital, national interest.

The fascists in Russia know this.

I’m sure you’re quite happy.

The Glorious Motherland awakens!!

Next mission for the Russian Army: the Weekly Standard editorial office.

SteveMG on August 13, 2008 at 9:11 PM

He would have done it even if he weren’t running for president.

tomas on August 13, 2008 at 9:11 PM

Sheesh, AP. Your employer was taking another snark-shot at McCain today because he said he didn’t want to get political about the situation in Georgia, which she took as a slap at Lieberman. Now you gripe because McCain announces that two members of a committee he has actually worked with (as opposed to the Phantom Messiah’s committee “dealings”) are going to go look at the situation as it is rather then depend on briefings.

It’s all about being able to make decisions credibly. McCain is way ahead by that definition; Obama wouldn’t know a real war zone if it walked up and handed him a helmet.

Heck, I think McCain is ahead of Bush on that score, too.

Y’all — including MM — better start giving McCain some kudos for the good he does. Otherwise, we’re going to be swimming in some deep dung after The Messiah is anointed elected.

MrScribbler on August 13, 2008 at 9:11 PM

freevillage:

Ah yes, the expected moral relativism. Both sides bad, there is no good or bad…blah blah blah.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 9:12 PM

I heard that troops from South Ossetia had been launching attacks against Georgian villages before all this began too.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 9:13 PM

Based on reading the transcript you provided, it sounds like he walked the line carefully enough that it doesn’t sound pretentious, but does allude to authority and an ability to take charge.

DaveS on August 13, 2008 at 9:14 PM

McScribbler:

I did see some really cute pics of Obama strolling on the beach. Yesiree, got to get me some of that..hubba hubba.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 9:17 PM

Interesting. So if the U.S. decides it wants a piece of Canada, all we have to do is send a few hundred thousand people across the border to set up shop, arm them, and then call them a “breakaway region” of “separatists”? That’s all it takes to go thundering across borders to claim a piece of your neighbor’s land? Hmmm. I hear Canada has some great oil deposits. And doesn’t our pipeline run through some of their territory?

What if my kids go set up a tent on my neighbor’s property? Can I claim my neighbor’s yard, too? Or do I need tanks to do it properly?

aero on August 13, 2008 at 9:20 PM

aero:

It is not that simple. A lot of South Ossetians are ethnic Russians, always have been.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Hows is the rights rescue of Georgia coming along?

alphie on Aug 13,2008 at 9:06PM.

alphie: A lot better than the lefts help in Somila’s
“meals on wheels”,18 US service men killed
trying to get warlord Abdoskyhook!

Alphie,that didn’t go to good,or do you wish
to forget that one!

canopfor on August 13, 2008 at 9:23 PM

So if the U.S. decides it wants a piece of Canada, all we have to do is send a few hundred thousand people across the border to set up shop, arm them, and then call them a “breakaway region” of “separatists”?

We can just say that their “dignity” is being violated and go in.

Actually, Russia is claiming this right solely for themselves.

My guess is that they won’t support it in the rest of the region.

Now there’s an understatement.

SteveMG on August 13, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Two possible upsides to this:

1. Putin blinks as he does not want to risk harming two of the best friends of the man who well may be the next US President.

2. Lindsey Graham decides he likes it there so much that he doesn’t bother coming back.

Kevin71 on August 13, 2008 at 9:30 PM

I am still waiting for George Clooney to save Darfur.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 9:31 PM

t is not that simple. A lot of South Ossetians are ethnic Russians, always have been.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Well, most of south Texas is ethnic Mexicans and always has been. Does that mean that if they get violent and want to “break away,” we shouldn’t have a problem with that? Especially if Mexico decides to arm them and back them up with tanks?

Those ethnic Russians are living inside Georgian borders. If they want to be Russian, they should move to Russia. If not, Georgia has every right to do what it can to control its internationally-recognized territory.

aero on August 13, 2008 at 9:32 PM

I hear Canada has some great oil deposits!

aero on Aug 13,2008 at 9:20PM.

aero: Less than a year ago,Russia was making accusations
about claiming those deposits,up north!

Thinking to myself at the time,great Canada has to
go toe to toe with the Ruskies!(good luck with that!)
I say.
And,thats probably one of the reason’s a US vessel
is on the way as we talk,to map the shelf!

Russia is dam(n) serious about claiming it!

It belongs to Canada,as well as the United States,
from along Alaska towards the north pole! :)

canopfor on August 13, 2008 at 9:33 PM

Kevin:

Lindsay Graham is not only McCain’s friend, he is also an officer in the Reserve. He went to Iraq and did some duty there and he did carry a sidearm. Maybe he will be armed in Georgia.

Conservatives can complain about him, but there are times like this when he comes through. He really does.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 9:33 PM

aero:

My only point is that a lot of the people who live there want to break away from Georgia. So it will be trouble for Georgia whatever the Russians do.

Terrye on August 13, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Conservatives can complain about him, but there are times like this when he comes through. He really does.

Good point. He does a lot of “dirty” work that doesn’t get much press. Things he doesn’t have to do given his position.

SteveMG on August 13, 2008 at 9:35 PM

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