McCain: “Today, we are all Georgians”; Update: Majority prefers McCain to handle similar crisis, 51/36; Update: Georgians “roar” over McCain speech?
posted at 2:30 pm on August 12, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Not true, as a tour around the blogosphere will quickly reveal, but the fact that he’s wrong doesn’t detract from the nobility of the sentiment (as was also true of Le Monde’s famous statement of solidarity on 9/11). Having outflanked Obama on the conflict, he’s reaching for a Reaganesque moment here; considering how few downsides there are in this case to taking a hawkish stance, I’m surprised Barry O didn’t seize the moment from the beginning to talk tough and earn a few C-in-C points with centrists. Too late now.
For your companion reading, try Leon Wieseltier out-Hitchensing Hitchens in a short but withering response at TNR to American liberals who’d rather wring their hands about McCain starting a Cold War than about the would-be tsar waging hot war outside Tbilisi. Takeaway: “Putin champions a particular vision of Russia and a particular vision of Russia in the world. That vision is indigenous to himself and to the political culture over which he presides. It is a primary fact of the contemporary world. Not even the presidency of Barack Obama will rid him of it. You see, he does not wish to be rid of it.” Click the image to watch.
Update: Like I said, I’m surprised Obama got caught napping here. The data is unforgiving:
Just over half (51%) also believe that John McCain is the best equipped of the two major presidential candidates to handle a similar crisis in the future, while 36% believe Barack Obama is the better of the two to deal with this kind of situation…
Women are more concerned than men over the Russia-Georgia situation. Sixty-three percent (63%) of women regard it as at least a somewhat serious threat to U.S. national security versus 54% of men who feel that way. Women also have more confidence in Obama to deal with a similar crisis than men do. Men prefer McCain to Obama in such a situation 56% to 30%, but 40% of women think Obama could handle it best. More women (46%), however, still think McCain is the man for the job…
Although 85% of Republicans believe McCain is the better of the two presidential candidates to handle a similar crisis in the future, only 61% of Democrats feel that way about Obama. More than one-out-of-five Democrats (22%) think the Republican presidential candidate would handle it better than the prospective candidate of their own party. Only 8% of GOP voters favor Obama over McCain in such a situation. Among unaffiliated voters, 56% prefer McCain while 28% like Obama better.
Update: Just passing it along: “Also an interesting detail on CNN a moment ago: At a rally in Tbilisi today, Georgians ‘roared’ when their president, Mikhil Saakashvili, repeated John McCain’s statement, ‘We are all Georgians today.’”
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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice cut a resort vacation short and returned to Washington Monday night to help deal with the crisis. She planned a conference call with colleagues from the Group of Seven leading industrialized nations
myamphibian on August 12, 2008 at 3:55 PM
No.
Romeo13 sailed those waters in the past. It would take a good long while to get there, and apparently it’s not feasible.
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Condi’s engaged and doing fine. Her performance on this has been much better than on Israel/Lebanon.
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Interesting you should have harkened to George (my all time military hero) as he said (after Nazi Germany surrendered) something to the effect that the US should go after the Russians now that the Germans had been defeated since we are already here and have the equipment because if we don’t do it now we’ll end up having to do it in the future. Everyone was up in arms when he made that comment, calling hin insane, etc. Well he’s not looking so insane now, in fact it looks as though history is proving his logic was sound.
I also love the scene in Patton when Patton’s commanders are being entertained by the Russians and Patton refused to drink to “any Russian SOB” and Patton’s Russian counterpart said “well I think you are a SOB too” to which Patton laughed and said, “ok, we’ll drink a toast…from one SOB to another!”
Patton…right now we could sure use someone with his clankers and military knowledge for sure! Maybe he’s been reincarnated again…one can hope.
Liberty or Death on August 12, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Turkey will say no.
Our A-10s are still flying lots of combat missions in support of our own troops.
They would be flying over Russian troops, not Arabs.
Sorry, but everything you said is Hollywood movie extravaganza level fantasy.
And F-22s are a USAF asset, not USN.
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 4:00 PM
When I woke up this morning I was expecting one of two headlines.
1. Russians Declare Unilateral Ceasefire, Victory
2. 82nd Airborne Parachutes into Tbilisi, Sets up Defensive Positions in Georgian Capital
BohicaTwentyTwo on August 12, 2008 at 4:02 PM
Patton was probably right at the time, and Schwartzkopf was right when he said we should take out Saddam in 1992.
Interestingly, when my grandfather died, one of the cool things he had stashed in the attic was wall-sized maps with flight paths all laid out for a massive attack on Russia. He flew combat aircraft in WWII and stayed until retirement in the 60s.
The maps were old, but I was too young to look for dates or anything.
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Holy crow. The lefty on Cavuto kept insisting that McCain and his dad were “West Point” navy men.
mikeyboss on August 12, 2008 at 4:14 PM
They would have airlanded in, but sadly not even this occured.
pseudonominus on August 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM
McCain has real experience dealing with mean communists.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 4:16 PM
I think that John McCain was more of a “South Points” navy man. In fact he was so “South Points” that if he had just been a little more “South Points” he wouldn’t have graduated from Annapolis.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Yah, experience in getting shot down and in getting beat up by them.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 4:20 PM
I have wondered if Putin, being the diabolical guy that he is, is hoping the US will do something. If you look at a map Georgia is landlocked and Russia is right there, breathing down their neck. I think the Russians provoked the Georgians into coming into South Ossetia with force just so the Russians could go after them.
I have wondered if they wanted the US to do the same thing in a limited way, you know get in a place we could not easily get out of. It could be that we will have to use a military option here, but I can not help but wonder if there is some desire to provoke us as well as Georgia.
I would prefer that if we have to fight Russia we do it in a time and place of our choosing, not theirs.
But I do believe that McCain would be better at dealing with a guy like Putin than a self obsessed Jr. Senator from Illinois.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 4:22 PM
We used to run Carriers up into the Black Sea in the Cold war… its do able…
Prob is that there were recently 3 carriers sitting in or near the Gulf, watching Iran, with one more headed home after its Six month deployment…
Now, there is usualy one carrier hanging in the Med, but its one of the ones in the Gulf (sounds like)…
They could steam north, and may be doing so… no reports about going though the Suez though…. so…
Now, from the Gulf, its well over 3000 miles to get to the Black Sea… so at 30knots we’re talking 4 to 5 days…
So, if they were so ordered in the first couple days of the crises, then they’d be arriving soon… if they only got orders when Bush decided that Pooty had broken his word? will still be 3 or 4 days.
Romeo13 on August 12, 2008 at 4:23 PM
MB4:
That was a cheap shot. You can not be pleased. No matter what anyone says or does you bitch. You want to go after the Russians right? Well this guy is far more likely to do that. He has had first hand experience with them. He did not get it on the internet either.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 4:26 PM
MB4:
That was a cheap shot. You can not be pleased. No matter what anyone says or does you coplain. You want to go after the Russians right? Well this guy is far more likely to do that. He has had first hand experience with them. He did not get it on the internet either.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 4:27 PM
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” – T. Roosevelt
mikeyboss on August 12, 2008 at 4:27 PM
And, apparently, one that you will readily make. The comparison is beyond stupid and I and others are getting tired of explaining the differences. Not that you care, I’d imagine the Russian vodka is swimming quite nicely down your throat just about now, comrade.
Darth Executor on August 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM
That should be complain, as is find fault and whine a lot.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM
This is the real world here folks. We cannot have a community orginizer, failed at that see Chicago, dealing with affairs that have far reaching consequences.
TroubledMonkey on August 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM
It’s an interesting question. Let’s look at the last 8 months or so. Iraq–major turnaround. We really are at the point where it looks like we could achieve a positive outcome there…but if we left right now, a lot of backsliding could occur.
Turkey–signing pacts with Iran and with Russia dealing with energy issues. Iran and Turkey also have lots of Kurds, and are very nervous about how successful the Kurdish region of Iraq has become with US support.
Is this some kind of big conspiracy to get us to make a foolish move at a time when it could screw up Iraq and really piss off Turkey? I doubt it, honestly.
But we don’t know, do we? That’s why it is much smarter to do everything we can to support the excellent efforts of our “New Europe” allies for a while, and provide minor military assistance to Georgians on the ground.
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 4:31 PM
funky chicken:
I doubt it too, but the point is we do not know what might happen or even what is really happening. I just have the feeling there is more going on here than we know. I don’t think Americans are ready for a war with Russia however. That does not mean it won’t happen. But I don’t think they are really itching to go get em either. Strange times.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Sorry for the double post.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 4:35 PM
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.
BohicaTwentyTwo on August 12, 2008 at 4:38 PM
does Barry O. understand that this crisis involves Eastern Europe and not one of the 50…er…uh…57 states? Furthermore, Godforbid this were an attack on our soil, would his reaction differ?…hmmm…
ocbrat on August 12, 2008 at 4:40 PM
HUH???? Georgia has two good Ports on the Black Sea, which through the Bosphorus straights has access to the Med…
Not sure which map your looking at…
Romeo13 on August 12, 2008 at 4:41 PM
I’ve read all the comments, and one idea is unexpressed.
What if, out of the public eye, our government has been effective at stopping the Russian advance? We’ve made the cost to the Russians of failing to stop clear.
Looked at an AP video of a typical Georgian squad in a firefight. The squad had no fire or movement discipline, – but they had a Stinger. Saw a BBC video, lots of Stingers going aloft in that one. Hmm.
All of the Georgian troops were quickly put back in country from Iraq.
Putin is squawking like a hurting dog, and blaming Bush.
Both Pres. 41 and 43 are inarticulate, but one pattern is behind the scenes action. Don’t talk — act. Secret resupply?
NaCly dog on August 12, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Georgia isn’t a Muslim nation so Barack doesn’t care about it, nor do any other U.S. liberals.
rockmom on August 12, 2008 at 4:45 PM
I have to agree Terrye.
MB4 does a whole lot of “bitching on a blog” and sometimes I even agree with him.
But that comment was just so “kos” in it’s smallness that I really can’t add anything to your comment.
Kinda gave me a cold feeling, like a slap in the face.
ArmyAunt on August 12, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Well, we will never know about it. It will be classified, and of course the NYT is still trying to figure out a way to blame Bush but not be on Putin’s side. LOL poor fellas
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 4:47 PM
The Afghans whipped a much better Soviet army back in the 80’s. And the Georgians are in better shape than the Afghans were prior to their respective wars starting.
I strongly believe that all we will need, and perhaps all the players in the region will want us to do, is provide support. In the way of material and intelligence. And perhaps (only perhaps) a few covert teams to help organize things.
MarkTheGreat on August 12, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Romeo:
I was not plain. I am saying that there is no easy way to get troops in there if Russia is already in control of the country {and the ports}. I worded that badly, I am sorry. The best way to come in would be with Turkey’s help, but I am not sure they would do that.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 4:49 PM
A quote I think applies well to Bush – “It’s amazing what you can accomplish when you don’t care who gets the credit.”
mikeyboss on August 12, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Wow no kidding Terrye.
MB4 your post had such a “kos” smallness about it.
Pathetic actually.
ArmyAunt on August 12, 2008 at 4:51 PM
If you look at the ports, one of them is on the Caspian Sea and the other two port cities I see on the map are on the Black Sea.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 4:51 PM
interesting article about Turkey, Georgia, and Russia:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/home/9632345.asp?gid=244&sz=83498
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Nothing short of a brilliant observation. I hope someone asks him that exact issue.
trs on August 12, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Mark:
Afghanistan is a very different place than Georgia. Very different.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Darksean:
I think there is something of a difference here.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 4:55 PM
RUSSIA GOES ROGUE . . . AND AMERICA WIMPS OUT
IT’S impossible to overstate the importance of what’s un folding as we watch. Russia’s invasion of Georgia – a calculated, unprovoked aggression – is a crisis that may have more important strategic implications than Iraq and Afghanistan combined.
The response of our own government has been pathetic.
Let’s be clear: For all that US commentators and diplomats are still chattering about Russia’s “response” to Georgia’s actions, the Kremlin spent months planning and preparing this operation. Any soldier above the grade of private can tell you that there’s absolutely no way Moscow could’ve launched this huge ground, air and sea offensive in an instantaneous “response” to alleged Georgian actions.
Make no mistake: Moscow intends to dismember Georgia.
This invasion recalls Hitler’s march into Czechoslovakia – to protect ethnic Germans, he claimed, just as Putin claims to be protecting Russian citizens – complete BS.
It also resembles Hitler’s invasion of Poland – with the difference that, in September ‘39, European democracies drew the line.
Just as Moscow has reverted to its old habit of sending in tanks to snuff out freedom, Washington has defaulted to form by abandoning Georgia to the invasion – after encouraging Georgia to stand up to the Kremlin.
Reminds me of 1956, when we encouraged the Hungarians to defy Moscow – then abandoned them. And of 1991, when we prodded Iraq’s Shia to rise up against Saddam – then abandoned them. We’ve called Georgia a “friend and ally.” Well, honorable men and states stand by their friends and allies. We haven’t.
Oh, we sure are giving those Russians a tongue-lashing. I’ll bet Putin’s just shaking as he faces the awesome verbal rage of Condi Rice. President Bush? He went to a basketball game.
- Ralph Peters
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 4:56 PM
+1. Perfect.
a capella on August 12, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Finally a military effort MB4 does not sneer at. But then again we have not sent in the 82nd Airborne yet, so I suppose there is time for him to turn on this thing yet.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 5:00 PM
(emphasis added)
The quote is from the National Review link. I can imagine what might happen if he doesn’t follow the “recommendation”: perhaps he might develop a skin condition like the Ukranian president, or catch radiation sickness in a coffee shop…these things “happen” you know.
Blaise on August 12, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Stand up.
Go into the bathroom.
Look in the mirror.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 5:01 PM
And I do not think it is fair to say we wimped out either. Ralph Peters is not in a position to make decisions, he can say what he wants, but it is not that simple and most people know that.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 5:02 PM
P.S. Don’t be so whiny. If that’s the best you can do you must be in a mental recession.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 5:03 PM
I am beginning to notice a trend here, MB4 is like Mikey, he hates everything.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Turkey had better be careful. If they start supporting the right of the S. Ossetians to break away, this will give the Kurk’s ideas of doing the same.
MarkTheGreat on August 12, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Well, when you put it like that I have to concede to your insightful geopolitical analysis.
Dickwad.
schiehallion on August 12, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Terrye,
Why do you believe this difference will make a big difference?
MarkTheGreat on August 12, 2008 at 5:05 PM
You dismiss what Ralph Peters says because whenever anyone says something that you don’t like you shut the eyes of you mind and keep them shut by FORCE.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 5:05 PM
It’s also too soon to say that we have wimped out.
The crisis is only a few days old.
MarkTheGreat on August 12, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Mzrk:
I am not sure what you mean.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM
A mistake America always makes is that the history of any area only begins when America takes an interest.
BL@KBIRD on August 12, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Dude…while I get your point, that was classless and crude. I don’t care for amnesty shills any more than you, but that’s low. DemoUnderground low.
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2008 at 5:08 PM
There you go [yet] again.
- Ronald Reagan
I am beginning to notice a trend here, terrye is like ArmyAunt, name-calling, whiny and vacuous.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Mark:
You mean Afghanistan?
Afghanistan is more rugged and more difficult for large armies to move around in. Afghanistan is more backward, the people are poorer and are more able to survive on very little. The Afghanis were willing to fight the Russians for a decade, see their country bombed into the stone age and lose a million people if need be.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 5:10 PM
No, MB4, you are not Ronald Reagan, quoting him will not change that. And if I remember correctly Ronald Reagan spent the Soviet Union into the bankruptcy, he did not fight them in a military confrontation.
You said last night that you supported the Iraq war at one time. Now you think it is a waste because the Iraqi are Muslims.
I think that you would support a military response now, largely because you think there will not be one…and if there was it would only be a matter of time before you turned on it too for some damn reason. No doubt McShamnesty would disappoint you or some one else would fail to measure up.
Whatever, but you are getting downright predictable.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM
You are as a self parody.
Obviously I don’t hate everything, just look at my recent comment giving some of the words of and linking to Ralph Peters.
Do I hate him? No, of course not.
Do you hate him? Your seem to hate everyone with an opinion unlike yours.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM
If the Georgians were willing to fight like the Taliban, they wouldn’t need our help, Terrye.
alphie on August 12, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Sorry, folks, it’s too late to be feeling sorry for Poland. For Poland, read Czechslovakia. For Czechslovakia, read Austria. For Austria, read the Sudentenland. If you’re not happy for Poland, maybe you shouldn’t be thinking about troublesome little lands like the British Mandate of Palestine and India and all the rioting and wiolence there. I mean, they’re just people. They’re not me. Why would I care???
mjk on August 12, 2008 at 5:14 PM
MB4:
No, I do not hate everyone with an opinion unlike mine. I don’t hate you. I just think you are tiresome.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 5:14 PM
MB4:
I did not say I hated Ralph Peters, that is just silly. I just said it is one thing to talk about doing things when you do not have the authority or responsibility, it is something else to actually make the decisions. It is a lot like childless people writing books on parenting. It has nothing to do with hating anyone.]
I thin we are done. You are like a broken record and this is pointless.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 5:17 PM
alphie:
If they were willing to fight like the Taliban you would probably be on their side.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 5:18 PM
Nice, Terrye,
Still a bitter little bumpkin, I see.
It is funny to see the right cheering on John McCain as he calls for a U.N. resolution against Russia.
Impotent fury…the new face of the Republican Party.
alphie on August 12, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Groan. Do I have to spell it out? I am entirely sympathetic to the Georgians but the day the US and their allies recognised the dismemberment of Serbia was the day the Georgians should have kissed goodbye to South Ossetia. Instead of a bunch of half-witted pyjama-clad cold warriors fantasizing about taking on Russia militarily why not reflect on the stupidity of the US, UK, France etc. in giving the Russians a cast-iron excuse for what they are doing right now.
schiehallion on August 12, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Are you stalking me? You are only remembering, or pretending to only remember, part of what I said.
Well your thinking is only wishful thinking on your part and making things up as usual.
You are a waste of time. Why don’t you go hen peck your actual husband?
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Bwahahah.
MB4 is the “o”.
Notice how he bitches about others being whiny and name calling by…….him being whiny and name calling.
What a putz.
And you are tiresome.
You and alphie are the two reasons I rarely post on here. No matter what the subject is, you two virtually ALWAYS disagree.
You are a koskidddie.
At least in spirit.
ArmyAunt on August 12, 2008 at 5:37 PM
MB4 you are nothing but an insulting little jerk.
Allah I am not sure you care but MB4 and alphie just argue to argue. They add nothing to the discourse and are rude and insulting.
ArmyAunt on August 12, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Berliners roar for Obama, eh, not so much, Georgians roar for McCain when Russians are killing them? Yeah, thats a big deal.
Guess it doesn’t take vacuum cleaner salesman to hit it big with Europeans.
Speakup on August 12, 2008 at 5:42 PM
That’s right MB4! You take your articulate, well-founded, intelligent discussions and shove it! Girlfriend and I are in solidarity in calling you a pushy lil jerk and asking for AP to ban you!
Sure, it maybe fascist on our part, but it’s for the greater good.
TheEJS on August 12, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Incidently, the crowd that showed up for Saakashvili’s speech was estimated at over 150,000 people.
pseudonominus on August 12, 2008 at 5:49 PM
MB4:
My God man, you are disagreeable. All you do is pick fights with people and then whine and moan that they actually pick on you or something. You call people names and then get pissy when they respond in kind. You go out of your way to insult people and then accuse them of stalking you.
Forget it.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 6:00 PM
@ ArmyAunt on August 12, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Did you really just tell on them? How old are you?
muyoso on August 12, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Some facts? about the situation as it stands now?
JiangxiDad on August 12, 2008 at 6:01 PM
The EJS:
Well founded? You think that making fun of McCain for being shot down by the Vietnamese and then abused for years is a well founded and intelligent discussion?
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 6:02 PM
M4 is an Obama nut-hugger. Hey M4, what has Obama ever done for our USA? Hmm? Can you give us anything that even resembles the sacrifice of McCain? Oh yeah, Obama snorted coke to support his local economy; Sat in a radical, US-hating church for 20 yrs to better “his race”; Made buds with a couple who bombed the Pentagon to promote healthy debate. M4, you’re a disgrace.
marklmail on August 12, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Thacker, I tend to ignore your posts because…well, because you’re usually an idiot. Not trying to be mean, but you have no idea what you’re talking about here.
We don’t work that way, whether you think we should or not. The US has NEVER been an Empire, like England or France used to be, or even the Persian Empire for that matter. The only land we’ve ever “conquered” has been for our fallen.
But we DO fight for our allies, because their alliance IS WORTH IT. They help us in the WOT (that’s War on Terror, FYI), apprehending criminals for extradiction back to the US, etc. If we allowed Communism, Jihadism, or any other -ism to spread throughout the world, because we’ve “never been invaded”, then we’d be surrounded by now. Literally. We’re having enough trouble keeping Democracy afloat as it is, without your “brilliant” ideas to snuff it out. Cappice?
If you still disagree, well…maybe someone could notify your friends & family that’s it’s not necessary or important to come to your aid the next time someone bullies, harrasses, or stalks you…because it’s “not their fight”, right?
Miss_Anthrope on August 12, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Terrye,
It’s satire on all sides. MB4 is known for his quick, Mark Twain-ian replies regardless of the situation, while his opponents are known to be, I don’t know, calling on AP to “look into” him (read: ban).
Or to use your own words: Whatever, but you are getting downright predictable.
TheEJS on August 12, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Really? Not long ago you said you we trained the Taliban, or something.
Chuck Schick on August 12, 2008 at 6:10 PM
The EJS:
I know what MB4 is known for, I have been on the receiving end of his bad temper often enough.
But taking a cheap shot at McCain because of his imprisonment is exactly the kind of thing a leftie would say. And we know it.
But since it is MB4….. the man who will sit home and pout this November rather than sullying himself voting for either candidate… a true conservative..we just have to overlook all that.
Every time.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 6:11 PM
Chuck:
The US supported the anti Soviet forces in Afghanistan. I don’t think it would be fair to say we trained the Taliban.
However, we should have stayed after the Soviets left rather than leaving a vacuum in Afghanistan.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 6:14 PM
And btw, I did not ask for anyone to be banned.
Terrye on August 12, 2008 at 6:15 PM
This has gone on over 4 different threads now.
MB4 is trolling you because you keep responding. Its entertainment to him/her. You keep taking his/her responses personally and thusly perpetuating this nonsense.
Maybe a time-out would help.
Terrye and ArmyAunt you quit feeding the troll and MB4 you quit trolling ArmyAunt and Terrye. Now we can have a more substantive conversation on the geopolitical ramifications of Russia’s invasion of a sovereign democratic country.
Everyone is happy!!!!
Sammy316 on August 12, 2008 at 6:29 PM
as said on another post, just read Victor Davis Hanson on this. It’s a win/win for Russia, and we (the good guys – if you remember who we are) are Paralyzed to do anything about it.
kirkill on August 12, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Re: MB4
Do…. not… feed… the… troll…
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r46/Linc4Justice/OBWAT-Troll.jpg
Lincoln on August 12, 2008 at 6:45 PM
It took a while to see the isolationist argument put in a little box in this thread (where it belongs), but it was worth it. Gd bless America.
saus on August 12, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Alphie’s under the impression that we did. I always thought it was just Al Qaeda we trained. I guess when you makes stuff up it really doesn’t matter anyway.
Chuck Schick on August 12, 2008 at 7:36 PM
Yes. I made a similar comment this morning when the news first came out. I would not be surprised if some graduate student 30-40 years from now, while doing research on a pol-sci paper runs a across a “recently declassified” document revealing how Dubya pulled a JFK bluff on Putin.
davidk on August 12, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Good.
(People, MB4 is schizophrenic. I’ve counted at least three personalities, none of which is consistent. I’m not sure which one is the real MB4–but neither does he/she/it.
But cut MB4 some slack. One of the personalities [none of which is very personable] is an evolutionist and is dealing with the angst of realizing that his/her/its existence has no more meaning than whale poop.)
davidk on August 12, 2008 at 8:34 PM
MB4: candidate for BAN. What a POS.
For chrissakes, does anyone watch this blog anymore?
Arguments are fine, pissing matches are great, but wow… what’s it take, AP? A physical threat? A racist remark? A middle finger pointed STRAIGHT UP at you?
(rolls eyes, goes back to Belmont Club)
wccawa on August 12, 2008 at 8:57 PM
The Black Sea is an easy ride. We can get some missile shooters there in a day or two.
A carrier is another issue.
NAG to SOH
Around the Arabian Peninsula to Bab al Mandeb
Bab al Mandeb to Suez Canal
Suez to Turkish Straits
Through the Turkish Straits
Turkish Straits to Georgia.
5-7 days by my count.
Squid Shark on August 12, 2008 at 9:19 PM
No can do. The Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Turkish Straits precudes USN carriers from transiting the Bosporus Straits.
NaCly dog on August 12, 2008 at 9:27 PM
So, what? How can he possibly say this? Our “thoughts, prayers, support”? What support? As McCain is a “Republican in name only”, so also is his, and America’s, so called “support.” We’re going to sit idly by while “our friends” in this “little democracy” get slaughtered and taken back into the Russian fold. Be proud, Senator.
Send_Me on August 12, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Then leave me alone and go harrass you husband if he ever comes back.
You are a Putinkiddie.
At least in spirit.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 9:36 PM
But don’t you see, it’s all about feeeeelings. If you have feeeeelings, you don’t have to, well, actually do anything.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Dude, you’re coming apart, flailing all around. See help.
baldilocks on August 12, 2008 at 9:41 PM
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