McCain: “Today, we are all Georgians”; Update: Majority prefers McCain to handle similar crisis, 51/36; Update: Georgians “roar” over McCain speech?
posted at 2:30 pm on August 12, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Not true, as a tour around the blogosphere will quickly reveal, but the fact that he’s wrong doesn’t detract from the nobility of the sentiment (as was also true of Le Monde’s famous statement of solidarity on 9/11). Having outflanked Obama on the conflict, he’s reaching for a Reaganesque moment here; considering how few downsides there are in this case to taking a hawkish stance, I’m surprised Barry O didn’t seize the moment from the beginning to talk tough and earn a few C-in-C points with centrists. Too late now.
For your companion reading, try Leon Wieseltier out-Hitchensing Hitchens in a short but withering response at TNR to American liberals who’d rather wring their hands about McCain starting a Cold War than about the would-be tsar waging hot war outside Tbilisi. Takeaway: “Putin champions a particular vision of Russia and a particular vision of Russia in the world. That vision is indigenous to himself and to the political culture over which he presides. It is a primary fact of the contemporary world. Not even the presidency of Barack Obama will rid him of it. You see, he does not wish to be rid of it.” Click the image to watch.
Update: Like I said, I’m surprised Obama got caught napping here. The data is unforgiving:
Just over half (51%) also believe that John McCain is the best equipped of the two major presidential candidates to handle a similar crisis in the future, while 36% believe Barack Obama is the better of the two to deal with this kind of situation…
Women are more concerned than men over the Russia-Georgia situation. Sixty-three percent (63%) of women regard it as at least a somewhat serious threat to U.S. national security versus 54% of men who feel that way. Women also have more confidence in Obama to deal with a similar crisis than men do. Men prefer McCain to Obama in such a situation 56% to 30%, but 40% of women think Obama could handle it best. More women (46%), however, still think McCain is the man for the job…
Although 85% of Republicans believe McCain is the better of the two presidential candidates to handle a similar crisis in the future, only 61% of Democrats feel that way about Obama. More than one-out-of-five Democrats (22%) think the Republican presidential candidate would handle it better than the prospective candidate of their own party. Only 8% of GOP voters favor Obama over McCain in such a situation. Among unaffiliated voters, 56% prefer McCain while 28% like Obama better.
Update: Just passing it along: “Also an interesting detail on CNN a moment ago: At a rally in Tbilisi today, Georgians ‘roared’ when their president, Mikhil Saakashvili, repeated John McCain’s statement, ‘We are all Georgians today.’”
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Well, apparently, we are all Georgians today. It’s just a very exclusive “we.”
emailnuevo on August 12, 2008 at 2:34 PM
I’ve been reading that Georgia is not worth getting involved with Russia.
What is worth it? Ukraine? Poland?
lorien1973 on August 12, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Indeed. A golden opportunity for the “I’m gonna eat two hamburgers tonight. Let them see how much I love freedom” crowd.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Smart, and a hell of a lot beter than the idiot Kaine saying that Russia was going to sign on to a cease fire because of Obama’s statement.
I’m very impressed with Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, and Finland. The Czechs have awesome leadership (haven’t read any comments from their leadership, but I’m sure they are on it big time behind the scenes). All those former “behind the curtain” nations are going to unite against Putin. It’s awesome to watch them in action.
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Johnny Mac has blown up tons of Russian matériel. Talk about your relevant experience.
Akzed on August 12, 2008 at 2:36 PM
What is with the anti-capitalist sentiment often accompanying your posts?
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Allah,
Did you notice that you can now embed CNN video. Cool!
terryannonline on August 12, 2008 at 2:37 PM
I see a couple phallic symbols and a couple white chicks here, plus he said Georgia, and everybody knows that there once were slave owners in Georgia!!!!
RAAAAAAAAACIIIIICSsstssts.
cntrlfrk on August 12, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Barry Hussein: “This is not the Vlad Putin I thought I knew”.
Travis Bickle on August 12, 2008 at 2:38 PM
I’ll tell you this: If both Poland and Ukraine are taken, the people who claim it’s not worth it now won’t admit they were wrong later.
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2008 at 2:38 PM
It would be nice if McCain was all Republican for a day.
RJL on August 12, 2008 at 2:38 PM
“Peace in our time.”
a capella on August 12, 2008 at 2:39 PM
yes
And not necessarily “not worth it” in Georgia. But not YET 100% certain that we have to go to war with Russia RIGHT NOW is accurate. Our allies like Poland and Ukraine aren’t calling for it, and they are a hell of a lot more familiar with
SovietRussian agression than we are.funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 2:39 PM
“Like I’ve always said…” -Hussein.
Akzed on August 12, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Since Godwin’s Rule is being routinely ignored in this case, I’ll note that Judis and his fellow travelers will feel right at home with Pat Buchanan’s book claiming that the West was responsible for WWII.
Karl on August 12, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Cold War standard doctrine: the fall of pro-Western states affects more than just that particular country. Stand up for liberty.
O! ye that love mankind! Ye that dare oppose not only tyranny but the tyrant, stand forth!
emailnuevo on August 12, 2008 at 2:40 PM
If anyone wants to show your support for Georgia, feel free to place this graphic on your Web site. I’ve linked mine to Georgia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, currently avoiding Russian cyberattacks at http://georgiamfa.blogspot.com/
Exurban Jon on August 12, 2008 at 2:41 PM
The question is how reactive you want to be. How many countries? How many bodies? I’m not even being hyperbolic. I’m saying that with Russia’s reputation under Putin, we all know that Georgia is the start, not the end. Will we thank ourselves for waiting until more people are dead, and Russia has a better foothold in Eastern Europe that is going to require more troop casualties to counter?
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Yes, and he actually does understand the military, what it can and what it cannot do.
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Great opportunity for McCain to run a comparison ad with Obama playing golf in his sweats while he was preparing his response. Something with the dates or a time line. Yeah he was on vacation and that might seem unfair, well too bad. End with this headline compared to Obama blaming both sides.
koolbrease on August 12, 2008 at 2:43 PM
What do you mean? I love hamburgers. Have always argued with Russian friends of mine who think the American food is garbage. McDonalds is garbage. Hamburgers are awesome.
I think my post was quite manifestly not about hamburgers.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Karl on August 12, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Now Karl, you know it’s all about root causes. The only reason Castro ruined Cuba was because he faced US opposition. The only reason life behind the Iron Curtain wasn’t glorious was because of US opposition. etc and so forth.
What’s amazing is to see a liberal guy at a liberal magazine disagree with the thesis.
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 2:46 PM
McCain channels JFK the way Obama wished he could.
BohicaTwentyTwo on August 12, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Nope. No C-of_C points for Barry.
captivated_dem on August 12, 2008 at 2:48 PM
He’s been defensive of Russia since the beginning of the conflict. I can understand, as IIRC he only moved from there a few years ago.
amerpundit on August 12, 2008 at 2:48 PM
:)
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:50 PM
I won’t call myself Georgian quite yet but I will call myself an American who is still willing to stand-up to the world’s thugs on behalf of those who cannot.
McCain may sound a bit cliche but these days maybe we need more of that and less of the Baracky “world citizen” tripe.
Bishop on August 12, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Hm. Someone recently from Russia, with anti-capitalist commentary, defending Russia’s advance to take over a neighboring country in order to expand their empire.
I think there’s still a political party on the national ballot for people of that mindset.
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2008 at 2:52 PM
George S. Patton: “Today, you are all a bunch of #ucking wimps”.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 2:52 PM
Seems a bit F911-ish.
Maybe a celebrity-eating bear in the woods ad instead….
rw on August 12, 2008 at 2:53 PM
It’s going to be very sad if we don’t do anything major to help Georgia. They’ve reshaped their whole country to be our ally and to give their citizens liberty. Percentage wise they’ve got almost as many troops in Iraq as we do.
I’m not saying we should take military action against Russia, but I’d like to see them kicked out of the G8 at the least.
BadgerHawk on August 12, 2008 at 2:53 PM
funky chicken: “Our allies like Poland and Ukraine aren’t calling for it, and they are a hell of a lot more familiar with
RussianSoviet agression than we are.”We should call a spade a spade. Or in other words, “if it steps like a goose…”
My fear is the left will prevent coming to the defense of George, then Ukraine, then the Baltic states, then Poland. I think we need to make a clear message out of this:
raybury on August 12, 2008 at 2:54 PM
Hey, I am already a Georgian. (Lawrenceville,GA that is)
DavidM on August 12, 2008 at 2:54 PM
What?
Did the have a video game match or something?
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 2:55 PM
True, but you don’t need Michael Moore deceptive editing to make the comparison between the two of them seem ridiculous. Show McCain having been in Georgia’s favor for years, and being critical of Putin…and then show Obama, changing his position gradually over a few days.
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2008 at 2:55 PM
I fail to see how any of those things could rationally be called a cassus belli. (Assuming I spelled it right this time.)
MarkTheGreat on August 12, 2008 at 2:55 PM
But, but, but…. didn’t you all hear Kaine say that the Russians were obeying Obama’s directive? Obviously, this crisis no longer exists.
Think_b4_speaking on August 12, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Years ago I worked with Lithuanian college kids at a resort. They were the first generation to grow up in freedom after the collapse of the Soviet Union, which held all the Baltic states.
They were fully aware of how their world had changed; they love Freedom, and now their neighbor Georgians are being dragged back into the age that their parents escaped from. This affects the entire world. In a sense, we are indeed all Georgians now.
Doug on August 12, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Lithuania borders Georgia. Is that correct?
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 3:00 PM
But, but, but…. didn’t you all hear Kaine say that the Russians were obeying Obama’s directive? Obviously, this crisis no longer exists.
Think_b4_speaking on August 12, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Actually there is still fighting going on, therefore Putin and the Russians have ignored Baracky’s demands and can now be rightfully termed racist.
This just out from the Obama campaign “Today, we are all racists”.
Bishop on August 12, 2008 at 3:01 PM
I was in Augusta, Ga for 8 weeks.
Ich bin ein Georgisch!
Oh, sorry, Juan.
Soy un georgiano!
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Really? Why?
Jaibones on August 12, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Obama released a weaker statement, McCain released a tough statement, and then Obama released a tough statement. The response from McCain has been more prominent even in the MSM than from Obama.
amerpundit on August 12, 2008 at 3:01 PM
But did he use the word “must”? This is most important.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 3:03 PM
I think that Lithuania borders Pakistan which borders Iraq which borders Georgia, or maybe it’s Alabama.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Finally, McCain is pissed about an illegal invasion. Too bad its the Russians over in Georgia…
Darksean on August 12, 2008 at 3:03 PM
jimmy the notable on August 12, 2008 at 3:04 PM
that’s a joke, right?
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Some folks here need to pull their heads out. This isn’t just about Georgia:
One
Two
Three
Four
Five
I’m sure others here could add more to this list.
Weight of Glory on August 12, 2008 at 3:05 PM
even if they take Poland and the Ukraine it won’t be worth it. If we want the world to do what we want the world to do, then lets BE IMPERIALISTIC. Let’s make the entire world states of the United States of America. Let’s make Iraq a state so we can get their oil. Let’s make Russia a state so we can take their nuclear weapons.
This idea isn’t new. It’s actually how it’s been done for the history of the world. If you want the world to do what you want the world to do, conquer it and tell them what you want them to do. America should if it wants to engage in this kind of behavior.
My problem with our ‘diplomacy’ is it is Bay of Pigs half baked. Everyone here trumpeting the joys of war with Russia don’t actually want war to conquer Russia. . . you just want to fight against Russia to make them do what you want.
I’m not against war, but if we are going to make war, we should do it instead of making ridiculous rules of engagement. We shouldn’t fight unless we are attacked. If we fight without being attacked, we should conquer and hold the land. . . tax them and bring them into the USA.
I don’t want any more wars where we use all our resources and get nothing in return. Eventually we will need resources at home. . . when that happens, I hope we haven’t used them up for everyone else. If I was Russia or China I would take this as the perfect opportunity to actually invade the USA. Make a land invasion somewhere in Oregon and go from there. Then we fight. . . but we’d have to bring our troops home from fighting for other people to defend ourselves.
I am not a Georgian. I wonder how many Georgians vote. I wonder how much in tax revenue Georgia gives Washington DC.
ThackerAgency on August 12, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Did any of this do the Georgians any good in fighting the Russians? Did either of them care enough to send some anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles?
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 3:06 PM
“Just as my Uncle helped liberate Auschwitz, I shall help to liberate Atlanta.”
- Barack Obama [commenting on how his Indonesian "foreign policy experience" will dictate his response to the Russian invasion of Georgia].
OhEssYouCowboys on August 12, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Well we found out that 8% of the GOP are too stupid to understand that they are in the wrong party.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 3:07 PM
I don’t think Obama got caught napping. I think he started out with statements that are very true to how he sees international relations.
Look at everything he has ever said in a debate, or every reason he has ever given for why the world hates America. He thinks nice talk will make people act nice.
MayBee on August 12, 2008 at 3:07 PM
[freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 3:00 PM]
I have lots of neighors in my neigborhood and only two have property adjacent to mine. Some live as far as 12 houses down.
Dusty on August 12, 2008 at 3:09 PM
I’m surprised Barry O didn’t seize the moment from the beginning to talk tough and earn a few C-in-C points with centrists. Too late now.
Again you forget that politics does not trump the inner character of a person it only amplifies it. Thus BHO could no moreseize the moment and talk tough then he could order a non argula sandwich.
BHO first instinct will also be to surrender. It is just what liberals do.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 3:10 PM
For some reason my post failed, so I’ll try to break it up. Evidence that this is more than just a war with Georgia:
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Weight of Glory on August 12, 2008 at 3:11 PM
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Weight of Glory on August 12, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Uh, that doesn’t take away from the fact McCain outflanked Obama on this. The goal is to get a taste of how they would respond in such a scenario. That may be why Americans trust McCain more to deal with it.
amerpundit on August 12, 2008 at 3:11 PM
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Weight of Glory on August 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Nah. Unless the American people really are stupid enough to elect Obama and give him a veto proof democrat congress.
But getting into a shooting war with Russia right now would be stupid and way premature.
We need our Eastern European allies’ relationships strenghtened, and gosh, if Putin and Medvedev just aren’t the perfect guys to do that, I don’t know who is.
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM
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Weight of Glory on August 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Rove you magnificent bastard!
thirteen28 on August 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Five
Weight of Glory on August 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Yeah, a single US Senator is going to authorize violating Turkish airspace to send a couple wings of fighter aircraft to Georgia.
koo koo. koo koo.
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 3:13 PM
The Russians can take Atlanta, but if they go any further there will be trouble.
Kristopher on August 12, 2008 at 3:14 PM
As God is mah witness, ah will never be hungry again!
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 3:15 PM
Not to put too fine a point on it Allah, but I think I’ll stick with my residency and citizenship here in the USA.
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 3:16 PM
The fabled centrist voters just received a bucket of cold water over the head; Obama is a noodle and would be swallowed whole by such crises.
Bishop on August 12, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Calm down, folks! Barry has this one! His previous statements were simply “inartful” and shall simply be thrown under the bus along with the speech writer… He shall then raise his arms, speak and the international community shall act to end this crisis forever!
sabbott on August 12, 2008 at 3:17 PM
The United States destroyed the German Nazis only to
replace them with the Mongolian savages known as Russians.
- George S. Patton
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 3:17 PM
How on earth do you folks read/hear the statements coming from McCain, Cheney, Negroponte, Khalilzad, and Bush and think they sound at all like Chamberlain in 1938?
There simply is no comparison.
funky chicken on August 12, 2008 at 3:19 PM
I must have ingested some estrogen since I am very concerned with the situation in Georgia. Russia is testing the waters, the US can’t afford to look like we don’t support our allies, and then there’s the whole WWII thing when Hitler played this same game (and the Soviets backed him).
We need to stand behind Georgia. The fantasy of sending in the Air Force to do some tank busting is useless, but our country, and other democracies can at least gain some momentum towards turning this situation into the biggest mistake the Ruskies have perpetrated in the last few years. These skunks are usually standing behind the weapon systems that kill Americans, now that they are up front and personal with our friends in Georgia, it’s time to let them get a face full of what they have wrought.
Hopefully President Bush won’t call his KGB skank pal to warn him that the crap is about to fly next time like he did in Iraq. I’m with Maverick and Georgia.
When is Obama sending Oprah over?
Hening on August 12, 2008 at 3:19 PM
The Russians are all out sons of bitches and chronic drunks.
- George S. Patton
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 3:19 PM
I’m aware that Obama thinks he is already commander in chief, I wasn’t aware that you felt that way as well.
MarkTheGreat on August 12, 2008 at 3:19 PM
The Russians are all out sons of #itches and chronic drunks.
- George S. Patton
(I don’t believe it. This web site censored General George S. Patton original words.)
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 3:21 PM
He knew it. The man knew it.
Weight of Glory on August 12, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Yeah. I’ve noticed this too. I tried to post a silly joke about Bob Dole and that pill that begins with a ‘V’, and no matter how I phrased it, it would not post.
Weight of Glory on August 12, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Putin lied, Obama cried.
mylegsareswollen on August 12, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Judge them not by their words but by their actions, or lack of same.
Putin obviously looked into Bush’s soul and saw all hat, no cattle. Russia invades a U.S. ally and all Bush can do is whine like a little girl.
That’s what happens when you’re a debtor nation who’s blown its resources on pork, entitlements, and bank bailouts, and whose military is overextended. You have no carrots or sticks to use when someone decides to play neighborhood bully.
- W.C. Varones
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 3:25 PM
LOL.
Oh god, I’d like to see them try. They’d be hit with such a flush of American nationalism that hasn’t been seen since probably before the Vietnam War. They wouldn’t have a prayer, and it would be stupid.
But I agree with most of what you said, and I never saw the isolationist argument presented in such a manner as you did.
jimmy the notable on August 12, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Censoring Bob Dole is bad enough, but censoring George S. Patton, that’s going to far.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Does anyone know what flight path the C-17’s (I think it was C-17’s) flew to fly the 2,000 Georgian troops back from Iraq to Georgia?
Just take the same route. Should be no problemo.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 3:31 PM
When do Code Pink, A.N.S.W.E.R., N.I.O.N. and others start protesting PutinHitler and organizing a peace rally at which Barry can speak?
Buy Danish on August 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Oh ho! That explains a lot!
On another board I go to (militaryphotos.net), the Russians who post there, who we call the “Russia Strong” crew, will ALWAYS side with Russia, whatever atrocities it is committing, were delerious with joy over the war against Georgia (Genocide! Fresh meat! they cried- I’m not kidding). This despite the fact that many of these Russians have emigrated to the West (and some are draft dodgers!).
These Russians I think are sick in their souls. Nothing else explains their bloodlust and barbarism.
pseudonominus on August 12, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Again, you conflate “doing what you want” in a positive sense with a negative sense, ruining the meaning of both. A war for freedom is noble; in that sense, we “want” the enemy to respect freedom. A war for crackers (literally, saltines) would be ignoble, but we’d still be “fighting for what we want.”
There is a load of difference between wanting thugs to respect human rights and wanting thugs to cede their land. If war becomes necessary, which no one on here has suggested or even wished, we will surely fight it, not for resources, not for “something in return” (though we’ll get it in national security), but because it’s right to stand up for the little guy, and to tell global-domination-minded killers with delusions of grandeur exactly where their plans can go.
emailnuevo on August 12, 2008 at 3:35 PM
bush should send anti-tank missiles, and anti-aircraft missiles to georgia…quietly…and have them proceed to bleed the russians.
a little MORE payback for nam.
right4life on August 12, 2008 at 3:36 PM
I hasten to add that we’d be entering the hypothetical war chiefly because it would be in our interests to do so, not out of some purely selfless motivation.
emailnuevo on August 12, 2008 at 3:37 PM
Yah, and the invasion of the U.S.A. was one that he could actually have done something about as a leading senator. Oh that’s right, now I remember he did, try anyway, to do something about that illegal invasion, I think it was something called McCain/Kennedy!
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 3:37 PM
B.O. is on vacation. He couldn’t be bothered to address war in Europe. I love it — how does a presidential candidate who is accused of being elitist go on vacation to Hawaii three months before his
coronationbig day??Numenorean on August 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM
I feel Wieseltier’s pain, but did you notice how he ended the piece by blaming Georgia-related lefty idiocy on Bush? Isn’t that exactly what he’s accusing Judis of doing (ignoring the real wrong so as to indict McCain)?
Bush didn’t have anything to do with making the left morally and intellectually incoherent. It was that way before he got here.
Infidoll on August 12, 2008 at 3:42 PM
I posted this in the “russia goes rogue” thread and never got an answer. Perhaps some of our military types can anser this one for me?
Obviously I think McCain absolutely WOULD pull out all the stops to go help Georgia. What I want to know is: Why isn’t W? Or do you all think he IS, but just isn’t being overt about it so as not to tip his hand?
wearyman on August 12, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Absolutely. Bush could have just sent them in the C-17’s that took the Georgian troops from Iraq back to Georgia.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Where is Secretary of State Rice? Isn’t she a soviet expert?? We sure could use her expertise right about now – but where is she????
pullingmyhairout on August 12, 2008 at 3:45 PM
We won back when Russia invaded Afghanistan in the 80’s by simply supporting the rebels. The Georgians will do much better now than the Afghanis did then.
Mojave Mark on August 12, 2008 at 3:47 PM
We know who wears the camo in the Obama family. Michelle would kick his ass if she caught him working. He has to sneak a call to Puff Dashcle during his smoking breaks.
myamphibian on August 12, 2008 at 3:47 PM
One can only have faith.
But then as Mark twain said, “Faith is believing what you know ain’t true.”
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 3:48 PM
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Sorry folks it’s a bit late feeling all cut up about Georgia. For Georgia read Serbia. For South Ossetia read Kosovo. For Russia read NATO. You may not agree with the comparison but that is irrelevant as the comparison is one that the Russians will readily make. If you’re not happy about Russia bombing small nations with troublesome separatist regions then FFS don’t go bombing similar small nations yourselves and not expect the Russians to use it as an excuse.
schiehallion on August 12, 2008 at 3:53 PM
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