Lieberman: Obama hasn’t always “put the country first”

posted at 7:30 pm on August 12, 2008 by Allahpundit

The question’s no longer whether Joementum’s going to split with the Democrats. It’s whether he’s going to do it in dramatic fashion during his speech to the Republican convention or whether he’ll leave it to Reid to push him out by stripping him of his committee assignments. After this, I wonder if Reid can afford to wait even a few extra weeks:

Mr. Lieberman, the Connecticut Independent who was the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2000, made the remark as he used his introduction of Mr. McCain to deliver a harsh assessment of Mr. Obama without mentioning his name.

“In my opinion, the choice could not be more clear: between one candidate, John McCain, who’s had experience, been tested in war and tried in peace, another candidate who has not,’’ Mr. Lieberman said. “Between one candidate, John McCain, who has always put the country first, worked across party lines to get things done, and one candidate who has not. Between one candidate who’s a talker, and the other candidate who’s the leader America needs as our next candidate.’’

Lest you still doubt whether Liebs will in fact be in St. Paul despite the heavy-handed hints he’s been dropping to reporters, the theme of the convention leaked out today right around the time he was accusing Obama of not putting the country first. The theme: “Putting Country First.” Oh, and his wife Hadassah coincidentally will be a guest at a breast cancer fundraiser organized in St. Paul by a Republican group on the first day of the convention.

Can’t wait for his and Obama’s next run-in on the Senate floor. Exit question: If you’re Reid, do you take his assignments away now or chance having him take the stage with a national audience and tell the Democrats, “You can’t fire me, I quit”? You don’t want to antagonize him before he speaks, but since he’s already taken the gloves off, why not cast him out beforehand? Or will that backfire by letting him use his speech to play the victim shunned by a party establishment that can’t tolerate dissent within its own ranks?

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I will not hesitate to support McCain if he chooses Lieberman for VP. I greatly admire this man and think a pick for him as VP will send a message to the rest of the world that we are serious in security and helping our allies.

jencab on August 12, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Republican Convention theme:“Putting Country First.”

Democrat Convention theme: “Putting a Stake of Holly Into Hillary.”

Cicero43 on August 12, 2008 at 7:35 PM

I will not hesitate to support McCain if he chooses Lieberman for VP. I greatly admire this man and think a pick for him as VP will send a message to the rest of the world that we are serious in security and helping our allies.

jencab on August 12, 2008 at 7:34 PM

I sent $100.00 to the Lieberman 2004 campaign

Linh_My on August 12, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Exit question: If you’re Reid, do you take his assignments away now or chance having him take the stage with a national audience

As always, Reid will think on it to see what would be the wise and prudent thing to do, then do just the opposite.

lowandslow on August 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM

If you think about it, Lieberman is also a maverick, working with republicans especially on an “unpopular” war against his own party.
Why should I not think Lieberman could be a VP?

I sent $100.00 to the Lieberman 2004 campaign

Linh_My on August 12, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Good for you. I will definitely send McCain money if he does pick Lieberman.

jencab on August 12, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Wow, that WOULD be an interesting thing to put in the history books. Liebs as VP choice for the Dems in 2000, and Liebs for the VP choice for the *cough* Reps in 2008.

I personally like Liebs better than I do McCain – not that that is difficult to achieve. I was hoping for a REALLY conservative VP choice, but if I can’t have that, I’ll take a Dem bailer and pretty good guy, any day. We could just call it the Maverick Ticket, since both men thumbed their noses at their own party numerous times. :)

tickleddragon on August 12, 2008 at 7:46 PM

How can a party and a nominee claim “country first” when they so clearly and vehemently take a Mexico-first stand on immigration policy?

MexicCain/VP nominee ’08!

HYTEAndy on August 12, 2008 at 7:48 PM

I’ve got your comeback, Barack!

“Why would I put a country first whose citizens only knowledge of foreign cultures was the phrase merci beau coup?”

jeff_from_mpls on August 12, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Lieberman is a fine man, and a lousy Republican VP candidate. His stance on national defense is wonderful, but after that, he’s about as liberal as anyone in the Senate. I am very pleased with his support, but I certainly hope McCain doesn’t choose him. Lindsay Graham, of course, would be even worse.

Buford Gooch on August 12, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Leiberman is a great guy, but if McCain picks him as his veep…

I have a funny feeling I’ll have Obambi’s name of my DD Fm 214 next year.

catmman on August 12, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Joe Lieberman’s living out one of the classics here.

“What’s a Conservative?”
“A Liberal who got mugged.”

Joe certainly qualifies – the nutball wing of the party bashed Joe over the head with Lamont, after all – perhaps he’s realized he can’t trust half of his own party.

I welcome a McCain/Lieberman ticket.

I don’t relish the idea, but the current political alliances are due for a re-shuffle, and that ticket would bring it about. Cool.

Mew

acat on August 12, 2008 at 7:54 PM

If Reid throws him out, couldn’t he just become a Republican and make Reid the minority leader?

cthulhu on August 12, 2008 at 7:55 PM

HYTEAndy on August 12, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Well, we’ve got McCain…another Shamnesty guy on the ticket don’t change much.

tickleddragon on August 12, 2008 at 7:55 PM

….and, by the way, wouldn’t that be a good time to put through a boatload of appointments?

cthulhu on August 12, 2008 at 7:57 PM

“In my opinion, the choice could not be more clear: between one candidate, John McCain, who’s had experience, been tested in war and tried in peace, another candidate who has not,’’ Mr. Lieberman said.

Well somebody has to show some interest in getting McCain elected. McCain himself gave a pathetic interview on FNC where he refused to even be critical of Obama’s statements about Georgia. McCain looked disinterested and bored with the whole running for office thing. This is not the way to energize a GOP base that already distrusts the man for his years of political treason.

highhopes on August 12, 2008 at 8:09 PM

I want Lieberman bad, too.
But not at the price of turning away base GOP supporters to default and give Americans (and Georgians) an Obamination.

HotAirJosef on August 12, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Bashing the other guy is usually left to the VP nominees.

I want less government, not more, but The Obamassiah’s plans for the US are really, really bad. I could handle a McCain/Lieberman ticket and hope in 4 years a real fiscal conservative shows up. But that person will probably be named Godot.

rbj on August 12, 2008 at 8:15 PM

Which country is Lieberman talking about, America or his?

LevStrauss on August 12, 2008 at 8:19 PM

I like Lieberman..I wouldn’t object if he found his way into a GOP administration somewhere. He couldn’t do any worse than some of the worthless turncoats we’ve had already. I don’t think picking a liberal democrat for the VP choice is the way to go, but at this point I’m beyond caring about this election so it doesn’t really matter. I’m still holding out for the novelty moron VP like Huckabee or Grahamnesty but I’ll probably be disappointed.

austinnelly on August 12, 2008 at 8:22 PM

If Lieberman is the VP candidate, will his favorite “Christian”, Pastor Hagee be giving the invocation at the convention?

LevStrauss on August 12, 2008 at 8:23 PM

There’s no way McCain would pick Lieberman, is there?

I mean, if you told your average conservative Republican in 2000 that in 2008 the ticket would be McCain Lieberman, their head would explode, right?

As for the insinuation that Obama hasn’t always put his country first, are Republicans going to back up this claim with substance or just make the claim?

Tom_Shipley on August 12, 2008 at 8:31 PM

I love Joe, but this is pretty tough.

MayBee on August 12, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Joe Lieberman is a great man. He is not a man who tows any party line. He stands on his convictions and he was telling the good news about Iraq when very few people were.
I would prefer a conservative as VP but Joe would make a great cabinet appointment.

carbon_footprint on August 12, 2008 at 8:33 PM

You got to remember while Lieberman may be a hawk when in comes to foreign policy he is still very much a liberal on everything else, cripes it was only 8 years ago he was running with Gore. Besides, he’s about as exciting as Ben Stein on Lunesta.

lowandslow on August 12, 2008 at 8:36 PM

If Lieberman is the VP, he might just make history as the VP who was on the losing ticket of both parties.

JellyToast on August 12, 2008 at 8:36 PM

he’s about as exciting as Ben Stein on Lunesta.

lowandslow on August 12, 2008 at 8:36 PM

LOL, I will grant you that.

carbon_footprint on August 12, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Lieberman: Obama hasn’t always “put the country first”

No one. No one. No one has always put the country first. McCain certainly did not with McCain/Kennedy. McCain certainly did not with McCain/Feingold. McCain certainly did not with McCain/Lieberman.

MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Republican ticket in 1980 – Conservative Republican Reagan/Semi Conservative Republican Bush I.

Republican ticket in 2008 – Liberal RINO McCain/Liberal Democrat Lieberman?

How very far a once might party will have fallen.

Scroomed.

MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Make Lieberman the Secretary of State. The guy is enough of a maverick to avoid being swallowed by foggy bottom.

OmegaPaladin on August 12, 2008 at 8:46 PM

I certainly hope McCain doesn’t choose him. Lindsay Graham, of course, would be even worse.

Buford Gooch on August 12, 2008 at 7:53 PM

You know he wants too. Or maybe Al Gore as he considers Him to be such a Messiah on Global Warming.

MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 8:47 PM

How can a party and a nominee claim “country first” when they so clearly and vehemently take a Mexico-first stand on immigration policy?

MexicCain/VP nominee ‘08!

HYTEAndy on August 12, 2008 at 7:48 PM

LYING LIAR TELLING LYING LIES ABOUT JUAN MCCAIN!!!.

MDS! MDS! MDS!

He didn’t say which country you nativist Gringo and besides if Juan has his way Mexico and America will be one Spanish speaking country some day, los Estados Unidos de Grandes Mexico.

MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 8:55 PM

Make Lieberman the Secretary of State. The guy is enough of a maverick to avoid being swallowed by foggy bottom.

OmegaPaladin on August 12, 2008 at 8:46 PM

I’m sorta hoping that Newt would get that job. The visuals alone of his arrival in that nest of Clinton-loving socialists would be worth it.

highhopes on August 12, 2008 at 8:57 PM

“MexiCain”, “gringo”, “Mexico-first”… hello, moonbats.

DaveS on August 12, 2008 at 9:02 PM

MB4, have you ever noted any trends in quality-of-conversation when you join the foray?

DaveS on August 12, 2008 at 9:03 PM

Or the fray, for that matter?

DaveS on August 12, 2008 at 9:04 PM

HYTEAndy on August 12, 2008 at 7:48 PM

I am sure you prefer Obama’s immigration policy of making anyone who manages to get into the US a citizen if they want to be one.

Nahanni on August 12, 2008 at 9:06 PM

MB4, have you ever noted any trends in quality-of-conversation when you join the foray?

DaveS on August 12, 2008 at 9:03 PM

Yes at times I have noticed that someone like you comes in and starts doing name-calling and making ad hominem attacks and the quality-of-conversation generally goes downhill.

That’s what you resort to when you’re losing the debate — name-calling and ad hominem attacks.
- Michelle Malkin

MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 9:19 PM

“MexiCain”, “gringo”, “Mexico-first”… hello, moonbats.

DaveS on August 12, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Ask not for whom the moon bats, it bats for thee.

MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 9:20 PM

There is a way,its very controversial,and to
some degree dangerous,and I don’t think the
Republicans are in such dire straights to
warrant the gamble!

Lieberman could persue a Liberal exorcism,
and chase out the Lefty demons and be brought
back to the Republican light!

I’m just not sure if its worth it!(Snark!)

canopfor on August 12, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Exit question: If you’re Reid, do you take his assignments away now or chance having him take the stage with a national audience and tell the Democrats, “You can’t fire me, I quit”? You don’t want to antagonize him before he speaks, but since he’s already taken the gloves off, why not cast him out beforehand? Or will that backfire by letting him use his speech to play the victim shunned by a party establishment that can’t tolerate dissent within its own ranks?

The question is somewhat moot isn’t it? Lieberman has the name recognition and credibility to whatever he pleases. How is a guy with a 14% approval rating going to do? Nothing. Liebs is holding all the cards no matter what Reid does.

Theworldisnotenough on August 12, 2008 at 9:39 PM

Lieberman has the name recognition and credibility to do whatever he pleases.

How What is a guy with a 14% approval rating going to do?

Theworldisnotenough on August 12, 2008 at 9:40 PM

If he strips Lieberman of his power, Lieberman can caucus with the Republicans out of spite and Reid is no longer the Majority Leader for the rest of this Congress. Lieberman is my Senator and a good man but he’s no Republican.

jnelchef on August 12, 2008 at 9:44 PM

MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 9:19 PM

Now you are quoting Michelle in defense of your behavior here. What an absolute crock.

wise_man on August 12, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Not Lieberman
Not Newt
John Bolton for Sec State!

redshirt on August 12, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Lieberman has a tough stance on foreign policy and defense, but the rest is pure liberalism; I’m not so sure about him being a plus for the GOP ticket.

Bishop on August 12, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Would Lieberman as VP help balance the ticket to the right on Global Cooling Warming Climate Change?

LevStrauss on August 12, 2008 at 10:09 PM

Lieberman is a fine man, and a lousy Republican VP candidate. His stance on national defense is wonderful, but after that, he’s about as liberal as anyone in the Senate. I am very pleased with his support, but I certainly hope McCain doesn’t choose him. Lindsay Graham, of course, would be even worse.

Buford Gooch on August 12, 2008 at 7:53 PM

I apologize that I didn’t read all the comments beyond this comment. It was so right on to how I feel, that I went ahead and commented on it. The Republican Party needs to choose someone else other than Lieberman (Oh, PLEASE, don’t we have someone we can choose who is not a Democrat/Independent?) If the GOP is to survive, McCain will need to choose a conservative REPUBLICAN – not a conservative DEMOCRAT! McCain needs to shore up what is supposed to be his base – Conservative Republicans – not liberal/conservatives like Lieberman – Lieberman’s only conservative stance is foreign policy – all his other stances are liberal!!! Hello!

Neocon Peg on August 12, 2008 at 10:15 PM

” John McCain, who has always put the country first, worked across party lines to get things done, and one candidate who has not. ”

What a load of horsesh*t.

Dave Rywall on August 12, 2008 at 11:07 PM

I’m still holding out for the novelty moron VP like Huckabee or Grahamnesty

musing: am I withing smacking distance of austinnelly?

canopfor on August 12, 2008 at 9:34 PM

canopfor gets it right, as usual.

RushBaby on August 12, 2008 at 11:40 PM

Lieberman: Obama hasn’t always “put the country first”

Here, Joe; Lemme fix that for you:
Lieberman: Obama hasn’t always EVER “put the country first”

LegendHasIt on August 12, 2008 at 11:56 PM

Just what we need. Both parties advocating big federal government.

Excellent.

lorien1973 on August 12, 2008 at 11:58 PM

Make Lieberman the Secretary of State. The guy is enough of a maverick to avoid being swallowed by foggy bottom.

OmegaPaladin on August 12, 2008 at 8:46 PM

The state visits to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait would be must see TV.

funky chicken on August 13, 2008 at 12:18 AM

Have you guys seen this article? I can’t believe it got published:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1131ap_office_politics.html

funky chicken on August 13, 2008 at 12:20 AM

McCain-Lieberman: A White House both parties can despise!!

landlines on August 13, 2008 at 12:26 AM

Now you are quoting Michelle in defense of your behavior here. What an absolute crock.

wise_man on August 12, 2008 at 9:53 PM

That’s right! How dare you think you can come into this forum and exercise this freedom of speech! Where do you think you are? The home of the free and the brave? Shut up and get back in your toilet paper line like a good little socialist…!

dominigan on August 13, 2008 at 12:49 AM

I would take Joe on my side anyday, he’s not a moron, although, I’m not exactly sure about that.

Now Barry, if he was hanging out with a pile of garbage like Ayers, for one, then yes, I would think he wasn’t putting the country first.

But tell that to the brainwashed masses.

benrand on August 13, 2008 at 2:32 AM

funky chicken on August 13, 2008 at 12:20 AM

Thanks for the link. Very illuminating.

I’ve always found that you can tell a lot about someone by their office. (Mine, at home, would tell you I’m disorganized. :-)) The difference between McCain’s and Obama’s are striking, in this respect.

McCain’s indicates that he is comfortable with who and what he is, and isn’t likely to change soon. He values personal contact, and tradition. In short, he seems very down-to-earth.

By comparison, Obama’s has the appearance of having been carefully artificed to create an impression. That impression, however, is one of artificiality. It has the air of a museum exhibit designed to convince the viewer that it is the workplace of an entity that has no human foibles, but is rather to be admired for its perfection. (For some reason, I am irresistibly reminded of the display of Lenin’s office in the Kremlin.)

The most telling feature is the wall full of photos of Obama gladhanding important people. In the military, this is referred to as an “I Love Me” wall. (It is not considered a complimentary term.) The idea is apparently to convey to anyone entering the office, “You Will Admire Me Now.”

If Obama’s looking for adoration, he’s in the wrong line of work. But then, I’m not entirely sure he actually knows what he does for a living.

cheers

eon

eon on August 13, 2008 at 7:26 AM

Oh, and his wife Hadassah coincidentally will be a guest at a breast cancer fundraiser organized in St. Paul

..hmmm wonder if Silky and the only woman he’s EVAH loved will be there to speak about how to support your spouse whilst undergoing this grueling disease?

Alden Pyle on August 13, 2008 at 7:48 AM

funky chicken on August 13, 2008 at 12:20 AM

Cool link, an insightful glance at the soul of both men.

McCain’s says this is who I am, here are my scars, my passions and my accomplishments. All his personal accomplishments and achievements are humbly understated or backshelved, it shows a sense of humility.

Obama’s scream I’m African American, the country owes me. Most telling is the noticibly “empty” in-box, and vacant file cabinets, suggesting very little senate work has been or is being done. His office perfectly reflects who he is, empty, vapid, overly conscience of the image he wants to project to us rather than just be himself.

Alden Pyle on August 13, 2008 at 7:59 AM

The Socialist Democrat party has put party ahead of country for the last seven and a half years. As long as it hurt Bush, they didn’t care how it would affect the country. Socialism is their agenda, powered by George Soros. As far as VP, Bobby Jindal is the future of the conservative movement. I don’t know if he’s picked this time, but I can definately see him winning President in 2012. Unless Barry Soeweto really is the Anti-Christ………….

adamsmith on August 13, 2008 at 9:25 AM

jencab on August 12, 2008 at 7:34 PM

I agree. As far as I’m concerned they’re both liberal Republicans or conservative Democrats (either way you prefer), and at least Lieberman is a Democrat coming to our side, which makes me prefer him to McCain.

Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Thanks for the help, Allah!

Your exit question clearly demonstrates that McCain’s camp has assumed an enviable tactical advantage- McCain’s is acting, Obama is reacting. In this case, either of Reid’s actions can be worked to great advantage by McCain, and Mac needs to stay on the offensive.

lionheart on August 13, 2008 at 11:10 AM

I will enjoy seeing Lieberman standing off to the side, applauding his friend McCain…as McCain announces a strong Conservative Republican as his choice for VP.
McCain is already one liberal too many on the Republican ticket. Don’t ask us to vote for two of them or I’ll ‘vote my conscience’ by sitting out this election.

Doug on August 13, 2008 at 11:37 AM

funky chicken on August 13, 2008 at 12:20 AM

What a puff piece for Obama.

Torch on August 13, 2008 at 2:48 PM

I guess I didn’t look at it like Alden and eon. I saw it as, what a mess for McCain and how discplined Obama was in comparison to McCain. I saw it as more of a hit piece on McCain, being tied to the past by keeping things longer than what they should be. Obama in comparison, was more “presidential” in the mind of the author of the piece.

After reading Alden and eon’s take, I can see their points as very valid ones. I guess I read it with my “political glasses” on, meaning, I saw something that probably wasn’t there.

Torch on August 13, 2008 at 2:53 PM