Can John Edwards come back? Update: AOL Hot Seat poll added

posted at 12:00 pm on August 12, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Update & Bump: AOL’s Hot Seat used my question a couple of days late, so I’m sending this post back to the top:

Original post follows ….

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After all, other politicians have survived the exposure of adulterous affairs. Can John Edwards survive his? Should adultery in and of itself disqualify people from political office, electoral or appointed, and does the Edwards case represent an extreme with no hope of political redemption?

First, let’s tackle the general question of infidelity and political office.  We can assume that politicians as a class commit infidelities at least at the same general rate as the rest of the population, and perhaps even greater than that, given the expanded opportunities afforded them.  Obviously, this becomes more of a risk at higher levels of politics, but the truth is that we elect human beings to office, and not saints — as Congress reminds us in so many ways.  Is it really any of our business what they do outside of working hours?

Some, of course, can’t separate the two.  Bill Clinton seduced a starry-eyed intern more than 30 years his junior and committed perjury to cover up the affair, as well as Vernon Jordan’s attempts to buy her off with a job at Revlon, much as investigators believed Clinton got Webb Hubbell to quit cooperating with them.  Edwards’ case is similar; his paramour, Rielle Hunter, worked for the campaign, and apparently received money from campaign officials afterwards, which certainly suggests someone wanted her to keep quiet.  (The self-admitted father of the child also received stipends, which suggests that Edwards and/or his staff wanted him happy as well.)

We’ll get back to that in a minute.  Under normal circumstances, should infidelity be a disqualifier?  Shaun Mullen makes the character argument at TMV today:

Political bloggers who say that they could care less about the affair and write stuff like “it’s time for Americans to grow up” need to do some maturing themselves because they’re giving politicians in general and adulterous politicians in particular a big fat free pass to obfuscate and lie at will.

Like Gary Hart, Bill Clinton and Eliot Spitzer, among many other pols before him, Edwards showed a narcissistic and impulsive streak that blinded him to the recklessness and even danger of his actions. I tried hard to like Edwards because he was one of the very few people willing to address poverty in America, but what if he had become the nominee or even president?

It’s a fair question.  If a politician proves unfaithful in his most personal relationship, what’s to say he/she won’t sell out constituents for power, money, fame, or more adultery?  Clinton’s appetites supposedly grew so large that he feared admitting anything for the deluge that would follow.   

But Eliot Spitzer and Bill Clinton committed actual crimes connected with their infidelities, it should be pointed out.  Perjury is a felony and resulted in Clinton’s impeachment and disbarment, although not a conviction in the Senate.  Spitzer was even worse, hypocritically launching crusades against prostitution rings for political gain while patronizing high-priced prostitutes at the same time.  These were not private matters but public betrayals of office in both cases.

Shaun picked one example that I considered in the discussion of this topic when the story broke during my show yesterday.  Gary Hart dropped out of the 1988 presidential race after his affair with Donna Rice got exposed, following a foolish challenge to reporters about rumors of infidelity in 1987.  However, Hart recovered enough to regain a position as an elder statesman, politically.  Hart retained enough respect that he could have run for office again, had he chosen to do so.  (See Update II.)

Could Edwards do the same?  I rather doubt it, although it’s probably too soon to tell.  Edwards had nowhere near the time in politics that Hart had, and nowhere near the same amount of real accomplishment and respect.  Hart’s affair didn’t have anywhere the same amount of messiness as does the Edwards-Hunter relationship, either.  

But it’s more than that.  In listening to Edwards and following Allahpundit’s excellent coverage yesterday, I doubt anyone thinks that we got the whole story.  If the affair ended in 2006, why was Edwards skulking around a hotel in LA where Hunter was staying with the baby in 2008, especially at 2 in the morning?   That certainly indicates that Edwards and Hunter had some kind of ongoing relationship, and not one terribly compatible with monogamous marriage.  Edwards’ assertion that he “never loved” Hunter sounded cruel and tawdry, as though he wanted to publicly state that all he did was exploit Hunter for a little pleasure.

It sounds like we heard from a lawyer, a spin team, a mouthpiece — not a real human being.  

That still leaves us with the question: should we demand loyalty oaths from politicians not just to the Constitution, but also to their spouses?  And should the media get in the business of tracking them down to ensure that they remain faithful?  Is it really any of our business when it has nothing to do with the job?  Do we demand the same of our bosses, our employees, our friends — and the media, for that matter?  

Perhaps the most practical answer is a version of “don’t ask, don’t tell”; as long as we don’t find out about it, it remains none of our business.  Once it’s out in the open, we have to consider it as a character flaw.

Update: Gail Collins gets close to the Hart/Edwards difference in this New York Times column, which excoriates Edwards in a manner which indicates that his political resurrection may never arrive among his former friends on the Left:

Unable to deny any longer that he had had an affair with a campaign worker, he insisted on parsing. It was all a mistake. If she was paid off, it wasn’t my money. And, in what may be a new high in the annals of weaseldom: my wife’s cancer was in remission. …

He had no idea why his national finance chairman has been funneling payments to his ex-mistress, and he was apparently never tempted to pick up the phone to ask. His 2 a.m. visit with the woman, Rielle Hunter, at a Beverly Hills hotel last month was a secret mission to keep her from going public about their liaison, the briefness and meaninglessness of which cannot be stressed too often. And he has no idea what baby that was in The National Enquirer picture. …

If Edwards’s political career is toast, it will be because he has always seemed to be less than a sum of his parts: the position papers, the “Two Americas,” the photogenic grin, the supersmart wife. The only piece of the package that consistently disappointed was the man himself. He wasn’t a very good running mate for John Kerry, and as a presidential candidate, he always struck me as being about 2 inches deep.

Perhaps a better way of expressing this is that Edwards was never a good candidate for high office for many reasons.  Rather than the Hunter affair ruining him, it revealed him.  The man called Silky Pony by his detractors, Collins admits, more or less earned that monicker with his lack of depth.  

A better man could rise from the ashes, such as a Gary Hart.  But a better man wouldn’t have put himself in this particular position, and reacted so poorly to it.

Update II: Originally, I wrote that Hart had been exposed in the 1984 cycle, which is incorrect.  Several people e-mailed and commented correctly that Hart’s affair came to light in 1987, when he was expected to ascend to the nomination easily, until his candidacy sunk over the Monkey Business story.  I regret the error.

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Character is the most important part of a person’s existence and Edwards has a putrid character. If he will cheat on his wife and his family he would have no problem cheating on and lying to the country. Contrary to the opinions of some, this incident should not be left to die lest this disgusting human being resurrect himself and again attempt to satisfy his narcissistic needs. Good riddance and let’s not let it be forgotten.

rplat on August 9, 2008 at 8:59 AM

Come back to what? He was clearly going to lose re-election in NC and won Iowa 4 years ago. That’s it.

Valiant on August 9, 2008 at 8:59 AM

Can John Edwards come back?

Is that a pun?

Shivas Irons on August 9, 2008 at 9:00 AM

Edward’s political career is toast. One only has to view his “confession” from last night to show that Edwards is still not being honest, with the electorate, and with himself. He’s a lightweight. He will remain a lightweight. It is all of his own doing.

coldwarrior on August 9, 2008 at 9:02 AM

Can he come back? Didn’t you hear KP on H&C last night? Cheating only matters to Libs if you are evaluating him for marriage, not as President. In fact all the best Presidents were cheaters according to KP. So therefore, his stock has just risen among the Moonbats. Expect a floor fight at the convention now, the Edwards movement has just gained steam!

TheBigOldDog on August 9, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Sure he can. Jesse will make a trip to “pray on it” with him and his family and he will forgive himself. He already has.

LtE126 on August 9, 2008 at 9:05 AM

Once it’s out in the open, we have to consider it as a character flaw.

I think that’s what it comes down to. I imagine that for every extramarital transgression by a politician we hear about, there are 8 or 10 more we don’t.

If you found out a longtime friend you respect had a fling, you’d be disappointed, but probably not stop being their friend. Unless, of course, that fling was with your own spouse.

flipflop on August 9, 2008 at 9:07 AM

BTW, that is a bum picture of Rielle. Those little interviews are much better. I’d be all over that like a big ‘ol stinky dog.

LtE126 on August 9, 2008 at 9:07 AM

At the beginning he blames his “narcissism”, in the middle talking about the photo it’s “baby? what baby?” and at the end talking about his future “over? what’s over?” Considering I have a feeling I’ll always be on the other side of him, I hope he doesn’t go.

Marcus on August 9, 2008 at 9:08 AM

I think we need a new way to get these things in the open without the hounding and shaming but still with some punishment. If that is his baby, the future lesson with be *abort*abort*abort*.

ninjapirate on August 9, 2008 at 9:08 AM

yes we should demand the highest from our elected leaders. this people have direct power over us. They should have the moral backbone that that postion demands. If they will lie to their spouses they will lie to us.

If my boss or friend has an affair I can choose to not be friends or not work for the company. I have broken some friendships with people that cheat on their spouses. I will not be friends with a cheater. It shows a lack of moral fiber.

A congressman, senator, or president I have no option but to not vote for them.

unseen on August 9, 2008 at 9:08 AM

It’s like this, as I learned in the Navy when I had to be cleared to work with classified information: marital infidelity leaves the cheater open to blackmail by foreign agents, and known weaknesses such as Edwards and Clinton have displayed leaves them open to “honey trap” intelligence operations by foreign powers. If Clinton is willing to violate White House security in order to get oral sex, then he can be potentially exploited via blackmail, or even assassinated, if a female operative is allowed into the White House and not vetted.

piraticalbob on August 9, 2008 at 9:08 AM

BTW, can anyone tell me what “being 99% honest” means? Is honesty some sort of sliding scale? Sorta like “a little bit pregnant?”

coldwarrior on August 9, 2008 at 9:10 AM

The more important question is, “Can Edwards come back from lying about it?”

Or even better, “Did Bill Clinton ‘come back’?”

ballz2wallz on August 9, 2008 at 9:10 AM

I guess I should add that such questions are often a bit of a Rorschach test. The John Edwards fan club will forgive him his indiscretion…those who never liked him will use this as further evidence against him.

flipflop on August 9, 2008 at 9:10 AM

I don’t believe that infidelity in and of itself should disqualify someone for public office. If a crime is committed during the course of the infidelity, or during the cover up (i.e., bribes, payoffs, etc), then that’s a different matter entirely.

Can he make a comeback? Probably not. He should just go back to suing old ladies instead.

pullingmyhairout on August 9, 2008 at 9:14 AM

Edwards for President!
He’s only 1% dishonest!

TheBigOldDog on August 9, 2008 at 9:15 AM

It is a good thing to forgive. Forgetting the past is where Democrats prove themselves sometimes to be at best hypocritical and at worst amoral.

Notice the lack of comment from those who drove the Rep. representative who toilet-tongu emailed a page.

Barney Frank, prostitution ring meister, Gary Studds, who had a homosexual relationship with a page…plenty of examples.

Silky will be back. Affairs and all…unless Liz does what a woman from West TX would do and shoots the cur dog.

Harry Schell on August 9, 2008 at 9:15 AM

I just think that Edwards’ infidelity should at least implicate and tarnish the entire Democratic party as corrupt from head to toe. Seems like sexual picadillos of Republicans are harped on and embellished until there are negative electoral ramifications.

marybel on August 9, 2008 at 9:16 AM

You question the judgement of someone who acts like these guys* do. Gary Hart, inviting the media to look into his life? How dumb. Edwards, denying the affair for a looong time, then meeting her in a hotel room until 2am? Again, dumb. Hillary yelling about the VRWC? Dumb.

*Is it only men politicians who get caught having affairs, or has it happened to any female politicians??

MamaAJ on August 9, 2008 at 9:16 AM

Skulky Pony didn’t have much to come back to. He has no political future in N.C., so what will he spend the next four years that would remotely recommend him to any office? I know Democrats set the bar really low on personal behavior, but even they won’t brook this. Ambulance chasing was a thin enough resume, and he made his national political living on his implied devotion through family crises. That’s gone.

Oh, and I’ll buy the “fidelity doesn’t matter” narrative when one of this pricks comes out and acknowledges their behavior before they’re caught red-handed.

Alamo on August 9, 2008 at 9:17 AM

This does show he has no character and I consider it an important quality in a Presidential candidate. He cheated on his wife while she was sick…ugh.

To me, the country has become too complacent about sex and adultery. Children are becoming sexually active at an earlier age, girls as old as 7 dress in clothes I wouldn’t buy for my teenager. They are bombarded with sexuality on more TV shows than ever before. Oral sex isn’t even considered sex by some teenagers…and we have Bill Clinton to thank for that.

Conservative values are important to me and if a candidate is lacking in them..he shouldn’t be a politician.

becki51758 on August 9, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Edwards managed to get elected — once — to the Senate. He did not run for reelection largely because he feared losing. (A Republican in fact took the seat.) He lost the 2004 nomination to an extremely weak candidate, then did zip to help that candidate in the general election. He finished 3rd in a two-person race in the 2008 primary campaign.

Which leads to the question: where is Edwards supposed to come back to?

People justiably look askance at Obama’s experience. But why have so many people always acted as though Edwards has done so much?

NCC on August 9, 2008 at 9:19 AM

Edwards is done,his goose got cooked done good!

canopfor on August 9, 2008 at 9:21 AM

This does show he has no character and I consider it an important quality in a Presidential candidate. He cheated on his wife while she was sick…ugh.

becki51758 on August 9, 2008 at 9:18 AM

I completely agree. But is it a disqualifier?
What if the affair happened 25 years ago, before the person ran for public office? (I know this is not the case here, but I’m just in the mood for a good discussion).

pullingmyhairout on August 9, 2008 at 9:23 AM

BTW, can anyone tell me what “being 99% honest” means? Is honesty some sort of sliding scale? Sorta like “a little bit pregnant?”

coldwarrior on August 9, 2008 at 9:10 AM

The “99% honest” bit makes perfect sense to moral relativists. It’s because of weasels like Edwards and that the “whole truth and nothing but the truth” clause is included when witnesses are sworn in.

Edwards still has a lucrative ambulance chasing career to fall back on.

forest on August 9, 2008 at 9:23 AM

Can he come back? Didn’t you hear KP on H&C last night? Cheating only matters to Libs if you are evaluating him for marriage, not as President. In fact all the best Presidents were cheaters according to KP. So therefore, his stock has just risen among the Moonbats. Expect a floor fight at the convention now, the Edwards movement has just gained steam!

TheBigOldDog on August 9, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Exactly what I was going to say. KP and her fellow libtards seem to think this is some kind of desirable character trait in liberal Presidents. Flaws of a moral nature simply prove they are up to the task of advancing the liberal agenda.

BrianA on August 9, 2008 at 9:24 AM

As is always the case, life itself holds us all accountable. Guilt/shame/remorse are all emotions that come as a result of an action taken by the individual. No one can make me experience those emotions, only I can bring them upon myself.

Politicians are humans and suffer from the same weaknesses we all must fight on a daily basis. Throughout my adult life, upon finding out that a friend of mine has cheated on his wife, I lose respect for that individual and can’t help but to also lose trust in that individual. If the man would cheat on the person closest to him, what does that say to the rest of us that also put trust in this man. This behavior has ruined many friendships I have had through the years. When children are involved, the man/woman has broken the trust of the entire family, causing damage that could effect the lives of those young minds indefinitely.

How does this relate to the political side of the equation only? Faith and Trust are a huge dynamic with me. If a man/woman sells out their own family, who’s to say they won’t sell out their own country. Smoking pot or using a recreational drug while young and in college, this sort of thing has little or no effect with me. Getting a DUI, having been in a scandal at the ripe age of 23; this type of behavior is so common with young people. It’s a whole different ball game when these type of weaknesses show up in a man/woman 40-50-60 years of age.

I want a politician to be morally & spiritually grounded by the time (age) they are running for office as a representative of the people. What they did as kids is not so important to me. This is why I’m so down on politicians, esp. Democrat politicians. Sleezy, scummy, dangerous, corrupt, “for sale to the highest bidder”; think of Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, Kerry, Edwards, et al….

Keemo on August 9, 2008 at 9:25 AM

Gary Hart lost his presidential bid in 1984 when reporters from mainstream media outlets took up his challenge and discovered evidence of an extramarital affair with Donna Rice. It didn’t involve his public office, though, and he still gave Walter Mondale a run for his money, with the nomination going down to the convention. In the end, Democrats almost certainly regretted picking Mondale, who lost 49 states in Ronald Reagan’s re-election bid. And Hart retained enough respect that he could have run for office again, had he chosen to do so.

Uh, no — Hart’s affair was exposed in 1987, following Mondale’s loss to Reagan. The Democrats no doubt regretted picking Walter, but they were all set to make Hart the nominee to run against George H.W. Bush when he made the challenge to the media on rumors of his alleged infidelity and the Enquirer and the Miami Herald took him up on it (it also reportedly was the reason Bill Clinton balked at making a presidential run in 1988, because since the media had forced Hart out of the race he and his handlers believed all of Bill’s Arkansas peccadilloes would become grist for the mill if only out of a sense of fairness to Hart).

jon1979 on August 9, 2008 at 9:25 AM

It’s like this, as I learned in the Navy when I had to be cleared to work with classified information: marital infidelity leaves the cheater open to blackmail by foreign agents, and known weaknesses such as Edwards and Clinton have displayed leaves them open to “honey trap” intelligence operations by foreign powers. If Clinton is willing to violate White House security in order to get oral sex, then he can be potentially exploited via blackmail, or even assassinated, if a female operative is allowed into the White House and not vetted.

piraticalbob on August 9, 2008 at 9:08 AM

Well said. Every Federal employee – even me, a lowly aircraft mechanic – gets security training of one sort or another, and the above is one of the first things we are cautioned against. A President who can’t or won’t control his hot pants, who thinks of the office of Commander in Chief as a “great place to meet chicks”, and who continues to try to spin it even after the cat’s out of the bag – well, that would have to be a blackmailer’s idea of Nirvana. That it hasn’t already happened (with Billy Jeff) is really amazing, and you can bet that “interested parties” won’t let that sort of opportunity escape them again.

uncivilized on August 9, 2008 at 9:25 AM

OT: Sorry bout this but Bernie Mac died.

boomer on August 9, 2008 at 9:26 AM

It’s a fair question. If a politician proves unfaithful in his most personal relationship, what’s to say he/she won’t sell out constituents for power, money, fame, or more adultery?

“The best predictor of someone’s future behavior is their past behavior…This is what used to be known as a reputation.” –Wendy Shalit, A Return to Modesty

inviolet on August 9, 2008 at 9:27 AM

Any person that didn’t identify Edwards as a slug and a fraud within 20 seconds after hearing him speak is a moron.

Any individual who bought in to Edwards oily “two Americas” riff has NO people skills.

mylegsareswollen on August 9, 2008 at 9:29 AM

I am reminded of a sign over the blackboartd posted by a fellow teacher firend of mine in an inner city school:

“If you have integrity, nothing else matters.”
“If you have no integrity, nothing else matters.”

coldwarrior on August 9, 2008 at 9:31 AM

pullingmyhairout on August 9, 2008 at 9:23 AM

hmmm…that’s a good question. Maybe if he had not lied about it and didn’t sneak around, but it is too recent an affair, as you said.

I believe people can change and God knows I am nothing like I was 25 years ago. In fact, I was elected to our local school board in 1999, even tho I smoked pot in the 80′s in the 80′s and had 2 children while not being married.

I am not the me I used to know. ;)

becki51758 on August 9, 2008 at 9:32 AM

All I know is,the Lefty sites and Lib MSM are really
ticked off what Edwards has pulled on them,and maybe that was the little meeting between Barack and Silky a few months
ago,who knows!

It seems,after my intel gathering from some Lefty sites,
HuffPo,and Kos,there more concerned with conservatives
past,then their liberal politions getting caught in the
a hum, honey jar!

And,this has got to be devasting for the DNC,no better
advertisment for the Democratic Party during a presidential
election than a Liberal getting caught,oh thats right,he
wasn’t holding any position in government during that time!

Oh brother!

canopfor on August 9, 2008 at 9:36 AM

When Edward’s most vitriolic critic is CNN you know he is through. That ‘crunching’ sound you hear are the bus tires rolling over his body.

MaiDee on August 9, 2008 at 9:39 AM

bernie Mac just passed away. Sad day.

unseen on August 9, 2008 at 9:40 AM

becki51758 on August 9, 2008 at 9:32 AM

Exactly. If all my skeletons were dug up from high school and college, I’d never be able to hold public office. Not that I’d try to anyway… I am very different from what I was 25 years ago, as I suspect many politicians our age are.

The Edwards affair is different because he used his family as a prop. For him to throw them under the bus is despicable.

pullingmyhairout on August 9, 2008 at 9:41 AM

In Edward’s carefully written mea culpa, he offered to take any test to prove that he has not fathered “any baby.” Reille Hunter is the only one who can demand a paternity test, and she will do that when hell freezes over unless the checks stop.

Akzed on August 9, 2008 at 9:42 AM

Which of the Two America’s is Johnny the Wart in now?

Or is he in-between Americas?

benrand on August 9, 2008 at 9:42 AM

It takes a cold, cold man to cheat on his sick wife.

That to me is the most appalling aspect of this. While she was home sick he was out having a good, ole time.

becki51758 on August 9, 2008 at 9:44 AM

As far as Edwards running again, he can, but he’s pretty much marginalized himself into Dennis Kucinich territory here as a credible candidate, even if he doesn’t think he’s been pushed off to the side. Populist demagogues are a dime a dozen in the Democratic Party, and part of Edwards’ appeal was his youthful looks, something that figures to be vanishing by age 59 or 63, which would be the next two times he could make a run for the presidency.

He’s also got the problem that he’s now taken away the left’s ability to gloat about Newt Gingrich filing for divorce from his while while she was undergoing treatment in the hospital (and at least Gingrich stayed in the public eye after his second affair through his attempted to critique and strategerize conservative ideas that others weren’t putting on the table. Edwards doesn’t have that intellectual heft, and merely spouts boilerplate about “two nations” to try and stay in the spotlight. So there’s no upside to Edwards anymore that offsets his negatives (I also would expect that, thanks to his massive ego, if Elizabeth does succumb to cancer, Edwards will trot out a new trophy wife to display to voters on the campaign trail within short order and try to spin it as him “starting a new life”, not comprehending that others will see it as a reminder of his infidelity while she was battling the disease).

jon1979 on August 9, 2008 at 9:47 AM

It takes a cold, cold man to cheat on his sick wife.

becki51758 on August 9, 2008 at 9:44 AM

You nailed it. That’s what makes this so different than a regular run of the mill affair.

pullingmyhairout on August 9, 2008 at 9:47 AM

bernie Mac just passed away. Sad day.

unseen on August 9, 2008 at 9:40 AM

Man, that sucks. According to Fox News, he’d been hospitalized for pneumonia…he died from complications of that.

flipflop on August 9, 2008 at 9:48 AM

It takes a cold, cold man to cheat on his sick wife.

That to me is the most appalling aspect of this. While she was home sick he was out having a good, ole time.

becki51758 on August 9, 2008 at 9:44 AM

yes and the main reason I could never support Newt. Shows a lack of character. Same with Clinton, with Craig, with Stevens etc. I could care less the party of the person. If he or she shows a lack of character I don’t want them to lead.

unseen on August 9, 2008 at 9:49 AM

Johnny cheated on his very sick wife, used her, abused her, and the feminists are on board with defending him.

Unreal.

benrand on August 9, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Given the petty tabloid state of the American union, where everybody thinks they’re entitled to be politicians’ bedroom nannies, the answer is no. No he cannot come back.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Like Gary Hart, Bill Clinton and Eliot Spitzer… Edwards showed a narcissistic and impulsive streak that blinded him to the recklessness and even danger of his actions.

…not to mention Jessuh, Barney, & Teddy. Almost all of these serial perverts remain Democrat stars today.

jgapinoy on August 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Another side of this story that has yet to be determined is the legal problems Edwards could face with regards to campaign funds used on/for this woman and others. After watching what Liberals did to Scooter Libby, they had better sick the same dogs on Edwards.

Keemo on August 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Character is the most important part of a person’s existence and Edwards has a putrid character. If he will cheat on his wife and his family he would have no problem cheating on and lying to the country. Contrary to the opinions of some, this incident should not be left to die lest this disgusting human being resurrect himself and again attempt to satisfy his narcissistic needs. Good riddance and let’s not let it be forgotten.

rplat on August 9, 2008 at 8:59 AM

and you’d apply the same standard with McCain’s affair right?

crr6 on August 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Adultery isn’t just a betrayal of your spouse, it is a betrayal of your children, your parents, your friends, everyone in your life. There may be ways to mitigate the damage, but not all. Mr. Edwards betrayal is especially troublesome given the medical situation of Mrs. Edwards and the vulnerability of his young children. He should have gone home to stay and done whatever he could to repair the damage as best he can. He didn’t. Sad situation for everyone around.

JonRoss on August 9, 2008 at 9:55 AM

After watching what Liberals did to Scooter Libby, they had better sick the same dogs on Edwards.

Keemo on August 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Don’t count on it.

pullingmyhairout on August 9, 2008 at 9:55 AM

No he cannot come back.

Dave Rywall on Aug 9,2008 at 9:52AM.

Dave Rywall: Okay Dave,Me thinks your just saying that!

canopfor on August 9, 2008 at 9:55 AM

Keemo on August 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Exactly! I wanna know the truth about that money and I dont for a minute believe Baron was just handing the cash out to help his friend.

becki51758 on August 9, 2008 at 9:56 AM

Given the petty tabloid state of the American union, where everybody thinks they’re entitled to be politicians’ bedroom nannies, the answer is no. No he cannot come back.
Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Leave it to Dave to provide comic relief.
Davey, my friend, is it wrong to ask that our leaders be trustworthy?
If Edwards can’t “come back”, how did Jessuh, Bubba, Barney, & Teddy come back?

jgapinoy on August 9, 2008 at 9:56 AM

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Do you also post under the fictitious name of alphie?

Keemo on August 9, 2008 at 9:57 AM

and you’d apply the same standard with McCain’s affair right?

crr6 on August 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

You sound foolish crr6.

JonRoss on August 9, 2008 at 9:57 AM

Keemo on August 9, 2008 at 9:57 AM

Good question! ;)

becki51758 on August 9, 2008 at 9:58 AM

and you’d apply the same standard with McCain’s affair right?

crr6 on August 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Sure. Thirty years fom now, Silky can run for POTUS.

Akzed on August 9, 2008 at 9:58 AM

Ross Perot got one thing right in his bizarre campaign:
If your wife can’t trust you, how can the American people?

jgapinoy on August 9, 2008 at 9:58 AM

crr6 on August 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

McCain’s affair took place some (30) years ago crr6. Doesn’t clear the action by any means, but let’s be honest about the facts.

Keemo on August 9, 2008 at 9:59 AM

So there is zero tolerance of marital infidelity for AMerican politicians?
Are all politicians who cheat on their wife/husband to be run out of town on a rail?
Answer me that.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:01 AM

crr6 on August 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

McCain’s affair occured soon after he had been tortured in a NV hell hole for 5 1/2 years. Most people could cut him a little slack.

JonRoss on August 9, 2008 at 10:04 AM

Two Americas:

1- Republican Conservatives want to live
in a world of love,hope and honesty!

and,

2-Liberal Democrats live in a world they
created through lies and debauchery!

canopfor on August 9, 2008 at 10:05 AM

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:01 AM

Misdemeanor means poor conduct, not necessarily a crime. If e.g. a congressional district wants to recall a congressman for adultery, why not?

Akzed on August 9, 2008 at 10:05 AM

Read the entire comments section Dave and try to comprehend what has been said. What one did as a kid (young adult if you prefer) is not the same as the actions taken at 40-50-60. Life has a way of teaching those who are teachable.

Keemo on August 9, 2008 at 10:06 AM

Ummmm,

Have you had a lil problem with cheating on your wife Dave?

Keemo on August 9, 2008 at 10:07 AM

Answer me that?

Dave Rywall on Aug 9,2008 at 10:01AM.

Dave Rywall:Only the Liberal Democrats!

canopfor on August 9, 2008 at 10:07 AM

Fact is: none of you know what kind of relationship Edwards and his wife had. Maybe they had an understanding. Maybe they didn’t. But either way, it’s none of your business. You’re not their nanny.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:08 AM

Ahh, I get it – so McCain gets a pass for adultery because he was a POW.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:09 AM

So there is zero tolerance of marital infidelity for AMerican politicians?
Are all politicians who cheat on their wife/husband to be run out of town on a rail?
Answer me that.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:01 AM

No. Only the ones who tell us that it was o.k. to cheat because their wifes cancer had gone into remission. Or who uses his terminally ill wife as a political back-drop while slithering around with whoas. Only those types. And maybe those who don’t know the meaning of what “is” is.

JonRoss on August 9, 2008 at 10:09 AM

Edwards my pop back up in the Senate one day but I don’t see him as a viable POTUS candidate. He does lie very well though.

Mojave Mark on August 9, 2008 at 10:10 AM

Maybe Edwards’ wife was in okay with the affair and just wanted him to keep it secret because she wanted political success for him too at all costs. Who knows what the real story is? There’s one thing that’s certain: none of you do.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:11 AM

So there is zero tolerance of marital infidelity for AMerican politicians?
Are all politicians who cheat on their wife/husband to be run out of town on a rail?
Answer me that.
Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:01 AM

Many of us keep answering your questions but somehow you never seem to notice but just keep asking more and extremely similar ones. And you never seem to have a response to our answers about this. Wonder what that is? Hmmm….

I vote it’s just because you like tossing words around like “bedroom nannies without addressing the real issue of integrity, honesty (public AND private) and fidelity to promises, to whomever they are made.

inviolet on August 9, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Your’re not their nanny.

Dave Rywall on Aug 9,2008 at 10:08AM.

Dave Rywall: Oh boy,here comes the sexual predator
from the Oval Office,Bill Clinton defence!

canopfor on August 9, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Ahh, I get it – so McCain gets a pass for adultery because he was a POW.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:09 AM

To paraphrase a great intellectual, “Why do you care, you ain’t his nanny”

JonRoss on August 9, 2008 at 10:12 AM

crr6 on August 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

McCain’s ex-wife admitted that they had grown apart. They were already separated when McCain and Cindy started seeing each other. Divorce was inevitable.

This was NOT the case with Edwards, who claimed to be in love with his wife for 30 years and who paraded around the country, exploiting his family and her cancer for his political advantage.

No comparison.

pullingmyhairout on August 9, 2008 at 10:13 AM

I could give a sh*t that Clinton got a blowj*b. It was irrelevant to the running of the nation.

You people are living in some apple pie and hotdog dreamworld.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:13 AM

Maybe Edwards’ wife was in okay with the affair and just wanted him to keep it secret because she wanted political success for him too at all costs. Who knows what the real story is? There’s one thing that’s certain: none of you do.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:11 AM

You make Johnnie sound so, so, Clintonian…

JonRoss on August 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM

My comment disappeared (too many links methinks) so here’s another:

Dave Rywall:

You obviously love tossing the word “nanny” around. If I come across evidence that my accountant cheats massively on his personal taxes do you think that that should have no relevance on trusting him with my business books? He is a professional after all.

Or am I being a “ledgerbook nanny?”

inviolet on August 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM

You people are living in some apple pie and hotdog dreamworld.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:13 AM

I cling to my applie pie and hotdogs. If I didn’t cling and watch over them closely someone may slip a turd into them.

JonRoss on August 9, 2008 at 10:16 AM

inviolet your analogy is ridiculous. Apples, oranges.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:13 AM

Haha.

Nuance.

You are a funny guy, you’re almost arguing with yourself now, of course you’re dead wrong about; It was irrelevant to the running of the nation.

reaganaut on August 9, 2008 at 10:17 AM

Or am I being a “ledgerbook nanny?”

inviolet on August 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM

Sorry, that should be “living in a piggybank and Monopoly money dreamworld”

LOL you’re too funny, Dave Rywall.

inviolet on August 9, 2008 at 10:17 AM

Again, none of you know what the truth is in the Edwards’ relationship, so all you have to go on is innuendo and rumor mongering. Which is fine, but just admit it.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:18 AM

inviolet your analogy is ridiculous. Apples, oranges.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:16 AM

How is it ridiculous? Explain it to me, then. I’m serious. I don’t see the irrelevance.

Humor me. Or should I say “Good Humor me?”

inviolet on August 9, 2008 at 10:18 AM

Given the petty tabloid state of the American union, where everybody thinks they’re entitled to be politicians’ bedroom nannies, the answer is no. No he cannot come back.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Good for you, Dave. I wondered when you would make him the victim on all this. You focused in like a laser.

a capella on August 9, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Adultery is not an event, it is a philosophy..</blockquote

There are two kinds of people, those who do and those who don’t. Which are preferable?

BL@KBIRD on August 9, 2008 at 10:20 AM

I could give a sh*t that Clinton got a blowj*b. It was irrelevant to the running of the nation.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:13 AM

So…leaving aside issues of personal integrity and lack of ability to control personal desires (of ANY kind, NOT just sexual) aside, blackmail of public figures doesn’t exist in your nannyless and apple pie-less world, do I understand you correctly?

inviolet on August 9, 2008 at 10:21 AM

inviolet – America loves cheating accountants. So you would never have a problem with hiring one. Next.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:21 AM

*yawn* Are we still talking about this?
1. Sorry never helped anyone or fixed anything.
2. Obviously, the guy doesn’t deserve public office of any sort. If a politician can’t be trusted by his wife, then how can we trust him? Perhaps this isn’t a problem for some people. That’s their choice. It’s a problem for me though.
3. I care not to know every sordid detail of John Edwards’ affair.

Send_Me on August 9, 2008 at 10:21 AM

That’s the problem with this world we live in today.

NO one gives a s**t about honesty, fidelity, trustworthiness or morality. So we have politicians getting BJ’s in the Oval office when they should have been doing presidential business, (like looking for Bin Laden) politicians accepting “father of the Year” awards while they sneaking around betraying their families, and spending a crap load of money on keeping their dirty, little secret.

The liberals are hypocrites, nothing more.

becki51758 on August 9, 2008 at 10:22 AM

Heres a tidbit on running the country,while
Bill was getting an oil change from his
mechanic Monica,

Meanwhile,

Yesser Arafat was waiting in the Rose garden,for about
a 1/2 hour,and it was about Middle East peace!

Whats that about running the country?

canopfor on August 9, 2008 at 10:22 AM

Send_Me: if you truly believe what you wrote, and that the world is that black and white, then you cannot support McCain. He is an adulterer. End of story.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Edwards has been so ineffective at winning political contests that I do not think it matters if he comes back.

The public has been treated to another reminder of the deliberate deception by the ‘mainstream’ media. If you want the news, it is now obvious that you need to look elsewhere to get it.

Democrats got a reminder of how they lost any claim to integrity by supporting the lies of Bill Clinton and voting to acquit him in the Senate. In spite of the general lack of integrity required to adopt Democrat positions on several issues, they want to avoid electoral consequences when it does not benefit them to keep an exposed liar around.

The only down side I see for conservatives is the loss of a “devil we know”. Cold War spy masters in CIA and KGB usually did not take out the spy masters on the other side, since it took a while to figure out their different contacts & methods of operation. Also, they knew a target they could take out at a critical moment.

Conservatives now have another target to show the public what liars liberals are, rather than taking out a viable candidate in an election. Since Edward was so totally lacking in depth and real-world electability, this is not much of a loss.

Right_of_Attila on August 9, 2008 at 10:23 AM

inviolet – America loves cheating accountants. So you would never have a problem with hiring one. Next.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:21 AM

Nice. A non sequitur, a personal libel and an attempt to avoid answering the question, all in one short post. But no cigar.

You’re avoiding the question. Try again.

(And FYI, I AM an accountant and have NEVER, EVER, cheated even a PENNY on my personal tazes, much less in any of my business affairs. To quote you, “Next.”)

inviolet on August 9, 2008 at 10:24 AM

becki51758 – so, no Republicans are adulterers? None at all? You call out Clinton and Edwards for their indiscretions, but no others. That’s quite a hilarious double standard you’re taking your puffy moral stand on there.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:25 AM

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