Can John Edwards come back? Update: AOL Hot Seat poll added

posted at 12:00 pm on August 12, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Update & Bump: AOL’s Hot Seat used my question a couple of days late, so I’m sending this post back to the top:

Original post follows ….

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After all, other politicians have survived the exposure of adulterous affairs. Can John Edwards survive his? Should adultery in and of itself disqualify people from political office, electoral or appointed, and does the Edwards case represent an extreme with no hope of political redemption?

First, let’s tackle the general question of infidelity and political office.  We can assume that politicians as a class commit infidelities at least at the same general rate as the rest of the population, and perhaps even greater than that, given the expanded opportunities afforded them.  Obviously, this becomes more of a risk at higher levels of politics, but the truth is that we elect human beings to office, and not saints — as Congress reminds us in so many ways.  Is it really any of our business what they do outside of working hours?

Some, of course, can’t separate the two.  Bill Clinton seduced a starry-eyed intern more than 30 years his junior and committed perjury to cover up the affair, as well as Vernon Jordan’s attempts to buy her off with a job at Revlon, much as investigators believed Clinton got Webb Hubbell to quit cooperating with them.  Edwards’ case is similar; his paramour, Rielle Hunter, worked for the campaign, and apparently received money from campaign officials afterwards, which certainly suggests someone wanted her to keep quiet.  (The self-admitted father of the child also received stipends, which suggests that Edwards and/or his staff wanted him happy as well.)

We’ll get back to that in a minute.  Under normal circumstances, should infidelity be a disqualifier?  Shaun Mullen makes the character argument at TMV today:

Political bloggers who say that they could care less about the affair and write stuff like “it’s time for Americans to grow up” need to do some maturing themselves because they’re giving politicians in general and adulterous politicians in particular a big fat free pass to obfuscate and lie at will.

Like Gary Hart, Bill Clinton and Eliot Spitzer, among many other pols before him, Edwards showed a narcissistic and impulsive streak that blinded him to the recklessness and even danger of his actions. I tried hard to like Edwards because he was one of the very few people willing to address poverty in America, but what if he had become the nominee or even president?

It’s a fair question.  If a politician proves unfaithful in his most personal relationship, what’s to say he/she won’t sell out constituents for power, money, fame, or more adultery?  Clinton’s appetites supposedly grew so large that he feared admitting anything for the deluge that would follow.   

But Eliot Spitzer and Bill Clinton committed actual crimes connected with their infidelities, it should be pointed out.  Perjury is a felony and resulted in Clinton’s impeachment and disbarment, although not a conviction in the Senate.  Spitzer was even worse, hypocritically launching crusades against prostitution rings for political gain while patronizing high-priced prostitutes at the same time.  These were not private matters but public betrayals of office in both cases.

Shaun picked one example that I considered in the discussion of this topic when the story broke during my show yesterday.  Gary Hart dropped out of the 1988 presidential race after his affair with Donna Rice got exposed, following a foolish challenge to reporters about rumors of infidelity in 1987.  However, Hart recovered enough to regain a position as an elder statesman, politically.  Hart retained enough respect that he could have run for office again, had he chosen to do so.  (See Update II.)

Could Edwards do the same?  I rather doubt it, although it’s probably too soon to tell.  Edwards had nowhere near the time in politics that Hart had, and nowhere near the same amount of real accomplishment and respect.  Hart’s affair didn’t have anywhere the same amount of messiness as does the Edwards-Hunter relationship, either.  

But it’s more than that.  In listening to Edwards and following Allahpundit’s excellent coverage yesterday, I doubt anyone thinks that we got the whole story.  If the affair ended in 2006, why was Edwards skulking around a hotel in LA where Hunter was staying with the baby in 2008, especially at 2 in the morning?   That certainly indicates that Edwards and Hunter had some kind of ongoing relationship, and not one terribly compatible with monogamous marriage.  Edwards’ assertion that he “never loved” Hunter sounded cruel and tawdry, as though he wanted to publicly state that all he did was exploit Hunter for a little pleasure.

It sounds like we heard from a lawyer, a spin team, a mouthpiece — not a real human being.  

That still leaves us with the question: should we demand loyalty oaths from politicians not just to the Constitution, but also to their spouses?  And should the media get in the business of tracking them down to ensure that they remain faithful?  Is it really any of our business when it has nothing to do with the job?  Do we demand the same of our bosses, our employees, our friends — and the media, for that matter?  

Perhaps the most practical answer is a version of “don’t ask, don’t tell”; as long as we don’t find out about it, it remains none of our business.  Once it’s out in the open, we have to consider it as a character flaw.

Update: Gail Collins gets close to the Hart/Edwards difference in this New York Times column, which excoriates Edwards in a manner which indicates that his political resurrection may never arrive among his former friends on the Left:

Unable to deny any longer that he had had an affair with a campaign worker, he insisted on parsing. It was all a mistake. If she was paid off, it wasn’t my money. And, in what may be a new high in the annals of weaseldom: my wife’s cancer was in remission. …

He had no idea why his national finance chairman has been funneling payments to his ex-mistress, and he was apparently never tempted to pick up the phone to ask. His 2 a.m. visit with the woman, Rielle Hunter, at a Beverly Hills hotel last month was a secret mission to keep her from going public about their liaison, the briefness and meaninglessness of which cannot be stressed too often. And he has no idea what baby that was in The National Enquirer picture. …

If Edwards’s political career is toast, it will be because he has always seemed to be less than a sum of his parts: the position papers, the “Two Americas,” the photogenic grin, the supersmart wife. The only piece of the package that consistently disappointed was the man himself. He wasn’t a very good running mate for John Kerry, and as a presidential candidate, he always struck me as being about 2 inches deep.

Perhaps a better way of expressing this is that Edwards was never a good candidate for high office for many reasons.  Rather than the Hunter affair ruining him, it revealed him.  The man called Silky Pony by his detractors, Collins admits, more or less earned that monicker with his lack of depth.  

A better man could rise from the ashes, such as a Gary Hart.  But a better man wouldn’t have put himself in this particular position, and reacted so poorly to it.

Update II: Originally, I wrote that Hart had been exposed in the 1984 cycle, which is incorrect.  Several people e-mailed and commented correctly that Hart’s affair came to light in 1987, when he was expected to ascend to the nomination easily, until his candidacy sunk over the Monkey Business story.  I regret the error.

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Can he “come back?” He’s a one term former Senator and two time (two-timing?) losing candidate for President. He was never “here”. If Dems perceived him to be a winner, a la Clinton, there’d something positive on the other side of the ledger to balance this out. There isn’t.

Bobbertsan on August 9, 2008 at 10:26 AM

inviolet – America loves cheating accountants. So you would never have a problem with hiring one. Next.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:21 AM

Nice. A non sequitur, a personal libel and an attempt to avoid answering the question, all in one short post. But no cigar.

You’re avoiding the question. Try again.

(And FYI, I AM an accountant and have NEVER, EVER, cheated even a PENNY on my personal tazes, much less in any of my business affairs. To quote you, “Next.”)

inviolet on August 9, 2008 at 10:28 AM

Hmm. Sorry for the double post.

inviolet on August 9, 2008 at 10:29 AM

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:25 AM

I have no problem including Republicans in that. You’re the one that said it was ok, no big deal to get a BJ in the oval office. That is what I was addressing..Bill Clinton and John Edwards. If a republican cheats on his wife while in office than he needs to go too.

I also think a little more morality from our politicians isnt much to ask for.

becki51758 on August 9, 2008 at 10:30 AM

If the man himself doesn’t matter, but only his platform, his positions and his policies, then what’s the point of a democratic republic at all?

If the mob is really just voting for an outline of ideas, and not for the man with his judgment, his integrity, his trustworthiness, then we have a system where people are voting directly on legal proposals, like a referendum, instead of voting indirectly, for a man whom we trust to judge the merits and faults of various proposals. A man who will be our moral proxy.

If the man himself is of no account, then lets cut the pretense and just vote for manila folders: One folder contains a statement in favor of abortion on demand, the other contains a pro-life statement. It seems to me that’s what our politics have been reduced to; and I think a certain segment of the political spectrum is very pleased about this; they’re the ones screaming that character doesn’t matter. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves for how superficial we are.

jeff_from_mpls on August 9, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Don’t get me wrong, I have a teenage daughter who I would in fact kill over if someone sullied her honor. But the Donks have made a political living by promoting the idea that sexual involvement with someone your inferior (particularly in a work place like, say, the White House)constitutes a vile form of abuse, punishable by thousands, if not millions, of dollars in retribution (split of course amicably between lawyer and victim). Then Johnnie focuses in on a poor soul who can only be described as a bimbo and pleasures himself, while his wife is in “remission”. Just seems like he is violating the primary rules of the radical feminist that he has been in the political bed with for most of his life. And I seemed to have missed the news reports of their moral outrage this week.

JonRoss on August 9, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Maybe Edwards’ wife was in okay with the affair and just wanted him to keep it secret because she wanted political success for him too at all costs. Who knows what the real story is? There’s one thing that’s certain: none of you do.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:11 AM

And you’re just making crap up. Edwards said in his ABC interview that Elizabeth was “furious” when he told her about the affair. That would be a pretty strange reaction if he and Elizabeth had an “arrangement” — don’t you think?

AZCoyote on August 9, 2008 at 10:33 AM

He’s done. He was a nobody with only his hair going for him (and more than likely Elizabeth feeding him his lines).

Not only that but ABC reported that Rielle Hunter’s family has challenged him to take a DNA test.

Sensible Mom on August 9, 2008 at 10:34 AM

If the man himself is of no account, then lets cut the pretense and just vote for manila folders: One folder contains a statement in favor of abortion on demand, the other contains a pro-life statement. It seems to me that’s what our politics have been reduced to; and I think a certain segment of the political spectrum is very pleased about this; they’re the ones screaming that character doesn’t matter. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves for how superficial we are.

jeff_from_mpls on August 9, 2008 at 10:32 AM

I vote this the quote of the day. Suitable for framing.

JonRoss on August 9, 2008 at 10:36 AM

Not only that but ABC reported that Rielle Hunter’s family has challenged him to take a DNA test.

Sensible Mom on August 9, 2008 at 10:34 AM

Uh oh! Throw down time. They can just smell all that money, and with Fred Baron in the loop, who knows what good things are awaiting them.

a capella on August 9, 2008 at 10:37 AM

Hunter can’t have been the first. I devoted father and husband doesn’t start cheating on his wife of 30 years all of a sudden when he’s 54. When will the other women come out of the woodwork? How many women? How much money has he paid them over the years? Are there any other b@stard children out there?

Character is Destiny.

Vote Sauron 08 on August 9, 2008 at 10:39 AM

Given the petty tabloid state of the American union, where everybody thinks they’re entitled to be politicians’ bedroom nannies, the answer is no. No he cannot come back.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Man, it’s gotta suck being a liberal and knowing that your candidates can only get elected if they lie about their positions and pretend to be Republicans, Dave.

The Senate slipped over to the Dems with a handful of right-leaning candidates, and the House is full of rural conservative Dems who ran to the right of RINOs. Now this phony is exposed, and you have to be sitting there wondering how much longer Obambi can keep his leftist skeletons in the closet.

You know, Dave?

Jaibones on August 9, 2008 at 10:40 AM

Makes you wonder what all he has stashed away in that 28,000 square foot house. Maybe someone needs to stake out the place to see how often the diaper service truck is running.

JonRoss on August 9, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Sure he can come back. Seeing as how he’s a shyster lawyer he can represent Elizabeth in an alienation of affection lawsuit against Ms. Hunter.

TooTall on August 9, 2008 at 10:43 AM

I can’t wait for Olbermann’s take on this.

He has probably already channeled Dave Rywall.

Entelechy on August 9, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Yesterday when some of the talking heads were asking why Edwards went to see Hunter at the Beverly Hilton last month if the affair was over, one of the Edwards’ apologists said that Edwards explained during the ABC interview that he went to talk to her about continuing the cover-up, and that it was another “mistake.” But there was a National Enquirer guy on who said that the NE had caught Edwards visiting Hunter at the hotel on two separate occasions, not just the one. He said NE would be providing more details in upcoming stories.

Edwards is still lying, and this story is not going away.

AZCoyote on August 9, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Dave Rywall apparently also thinks that exposing oneself to easy blackmail attempts, as well as proving one has no control over personal desires (no matter the lies, perjuries, risk and harm to those around one this entails) is “irrelevant to the running of the nation.”

This tells me quite a bit about Dave Rywall, actually. Thank you sir, for making it so clear.

inviolet on August 9, 2008 at 10:45 AM

It seems to be getting quieter on this one now. The Johnnie supporters apparently have gone to the Methadone clinic this morning.

JonRoss on August 9, 2008 at 10:51 AM

The good news – Silky Pony is now qualified to be mayor of Los Angeles.

corona on August 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Hunter can’t have been the first. I devoted father and husband doesn’t start cheating on his wife of 30 years all of a sudden when he’s 54. When will the other women come out of the woodwork?

Vote Sauron 08 on August 9, 2008 at 10:39 AM

I agree. Edwards picked Hunter up in a bar, and within weeks he had put her on his campaign’s payroll, at a 6-figure salary, making campaign videos (something she had absolutely no experience in).

Edwards is no novice at this game.

AZCoyote on August 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Can John Edwards come back?

Maybe, on her back.

TheSitRep on August 9, 2008 at 10:55 AM

The real whores at the LAT, and the other media, might have been sitting on this for a loooooong time, waiting for it to never hatch, so to speak.

Entelechy on August 9, 2008 at 10:55 AM

On my comment at 10:55, the author says he’s not talking about Edwards. Maybe he’ll open up now about whom he was talking about.

Entelechy on August 9, 2008 at 10:57 AM

HA’s great Gary Fouse wondered whether or not the media covered this up so as to not overshadow Obama’s trip to Europe and the Middle East.

Entelechy on August 9, 2008 at 11:03 AM

Could Edwards do the same? I rather doubt it, although it’s probably too soon to tell. Edwards had nowhere near the time in politics that Hart had, and nowhere near the same amount of real accomplishment and respect.

Spot-on. I think Edwards is done. And while I’ll be glad to be rid of him, just like with Spitzer, I’m not satisfied with the way he’s going out. I would much prefer if he had been done in over his shysterism or his socialism rather than by some tawdry aspect of his personal life.

Alex_SF on August 9, 2008 at 11:03 AM

Send_Me: if you truly believe what you wrote, and that the world is that black and white, then you cannot support McCain. He is an adulterer. End of story.
Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 10:23 AM

I appreciate you proving my point, because I’ve been trying to explain to folks why I do not believe in voting for the “lesser of two evils.” I’m voting my conscience, hence voting “none of the above” by using the write-in option. “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” ~John Quincy Adams

Send_Me on August 9, 2008 at 11:03 AM

The Clintonite who owns National Enquirer

The political world has been holding its nose for the last twenty-four hours while peering at the weekly tabloid National Enquirer, which published a story yesterday alleging that presidential candidate John Edwards had an extra-marital affair.

“The story is false,” Edwards told reporters in South Carolina today, according to a reporter who was there.

What the tabloid’s readers, in politics and out, may not know is that a key owner of the Enquirer is a prominent New York investment banker and one of Hillary Clinton’s key backers, Roger Altman. Altman was an official in the first Clinton administration, and his name is often mentioned as a possible Clinton Treasury Secretary.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1007/The_Clintonite_who_owns_National_Enquirer.html

It’s probably just a strange coincidence, but since the Dem convention starts soon one can’t help but wonder at the persistence of the NE in pushing this story forward while the rest of the moonbat media tried to suppress it.

The convention should be loads of fun. What have Hill/Bill have cooked up for entertainment?

Cody1991 on August 9, 2008 at 11:08 AM

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” ~John Quincy Adams

Send_Me on August 9, 2008 at 11:03 AM

One can’t use principle to heat one’s home or get medical care. Principle may be all we have if Obama wrecks the economy.

dedalus on August 9, 2008 at 11:14 AM

Can Edwards come back?

Only if “his” version of the story is true. If there is any more to the story, then no.

Americans will forgive you if you repent, but won’t if you lie about the repetence.

Romeo13 on August 9, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Hmm, Dave Rywall suddenly got rather quiet. Most likely had to run out to do some errands or something.

When he gets back, maybe he’d be interested in this video clip of Katie Couric asking John Edwards last December about the relevance of marital fidelity to being evaluated for public office.

“A man not honorable in his marital relations is not usually honorable in any other.” –Harry Truman

inviolet on August 9, 2008 at 11:24 AM

I still believe people can change in the course of 30 or 40 years….as is the case with John McCain.

I also think Edwards seems too experienced in having affairs….of course, I dont know that. Just a gut feeling.

becki51758 on August 9, 2008 at 11:27 AM

inviolet on August 9, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Good quote!

becki51758 on August 9, 2008 at 11:28 AM

Survive this to do what? He was always a media creation. His senate career was mediocre and he won one primary in 2004. The guy sucked from day one, of course he is finished, he was anyway. Who in the fuck in their right mind would put him up for ANYTHING. Sheesh.

echosyst on August 9, 2008 at 11:30 AM

The affair never seemed too relevant since his career as a national figure was always dubious. Glad he never became VP and within a heartbeat of POTUS. He was never going to get that close again. This puts another nail in the coffin of his national career.

My guess he goes into lobbying or sitting on a couple of boards. It’s easier to for him to feed his ego just by being rich and chasing skirts.

dedalus on August 9, 2008 at 11:46 AM

One can’t use principle to heat one’s home or get medical care. Principle may be all we have if Obama wrecks the economy.
dedalus on August 9, 2008 at 11:14 AM

Your approach is very short-sighted. As I’ve said before,
here’s my reasoning, if you care to read, for not voting for either candidate and voting my conscience.
1. 2000: Honestly, how different were Bush and Gore? How large was the workable pool of voters (# of swing/moderate voters?)
2. 2004: How different were Bush and Kerry? I mean, come on, how many liberal or incompetent policy proposals has Bush supported? Did that pool of workable voters increase or decrease in size?
3. 2008: We see that McCain and Obama are very much alike, focusing not on their bases of support, but rather on the lukewarm crowd, the folks who are swayed by cheesy commercials, the ones who really don’t care about politics but want a good show. The far left is alienated, as well as the far right.
2012 prediction: The candidates will be even more alike than they are now, and we’ll once again ask ourselves, “which of the evils should we choose?” The problem though is that the differences will not be as apparent.
Conclusion: Unless we wish to continue down this road, where neither party cares to remain responsive to its base, we must make them realize that we are still sentient beings who vote with our brains and conscience, not out of convenience.
So, if you really do care about the state of this country, you will vote your conscience when choosing a President, and you will vote the bums of the 14% Congress out of office.

Send_Me on August 9, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Given the petty tabloid state of the American union, where everybody thinks they’re entitled to be politicians’ bedroom nannies, the answer is no. No he cannot come back.

Dave Rywall on August 9, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Wow, Dave. I guess EVERYBODY is a VICTIM of something, RIGHT?

Fishoutofwater on August 9, 2008 at 12:35 PM

If the man himself is of no account, then lets cut the pretense and just vote for manila folders: One folder contains a statement in favor of abortion on demand, the other contains a pro-life statement. It seems to me that’s what our politics have been reduced to; and I think a certain segment of the political spectrum is very pleased about this; they’re the ones screaming that character doesn’t matter. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves for how superficial we are.

jeff_from_mpls on August 9, 2008 at 10:32 AM

I vote this the quote of the day. Suitable for framing.

JonRoss on August 9, 2008 at 10:36 AM

x2

People need to remember that politics in a diverse country requires negotiation, persuasion and compromise. Would people who want to excuse such character flaws in politicians really feel comfortable with someone like that negotiating, say their salary, health benefits, etc at work? Why is it any less important when running a country?

I think for some, they like the idea of an open marriage, if only they could find someone that agrees, or convince their spouse to agree. So, if it’s ok for them and they of course trust themselves, then they can’t judge others.

aikidoka on August 9, 2008 at 12:41 PM

Can he come back?
I predict Edwards will get a sex change and come back as a man.

whitetop on August 9, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Can John Edwards come back?

A rhetorical question indeed. His wife already on queue to forgive him and the leftosphere is ready to give him the Bill Clinton badge of honor.

Kini on August 9, 2008 at 12:49 PM

As Ed, KP, AP, et al have noted, Edwards’ 2 year narrative is fragile, tenuous, and hardly credible. I think of Ted Kennedy’s version of Chappaquiddick. You just know he crafted the best-looking version he could of what happened, and lied and left out parts. So it is with Edwards. Don’t you wonder if he’s able to distinguish between his image, that is his public story, and reality? That’s what’s disturbing to me. What happened, what does Edwards believe happened, and what is he saying happened. Three different things. He appears to believe if he says something and can get away with it, even if it’s false, then he’s telling the truth. A kind of lawyerly approach to life.

Paul-Cincy on August 9, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Conclusion: Unless we wish to continue down this road, where neither party cares to remain responsive to its base, we must make them realize that we are still sentient beings who vote with our brains and conscience, not out of convenience.
So, if you really do care about the state of this country, you will vote your conscience when choosing a President, and you will vote the bums of the 14% Congress out of office.

Send_Me on August 9, 2008 at 12:29 PM

I agree with the congress point. I hate how high the re-election rate is and would consider voting against the incumbent of either party just to make the office holder more aware of his accountability.

We differ on the Bush/Gore. I think the two have clear differences that would have made a Gore presidency very unlike GWB’s. Obviously, no Roberts court. Probably no military action in Iraq, no tax cuts, no veto on stem cell legislation–to pick a few.

I think you underestimate the damage that Obama can do with Democrats controlling both houses sharing a desire to increase the role and cost of government.

McCain wasn’t my first choice, but the best avenue now is fielding a candidate and platform to run against him in the 2012 primary. In the meantime the country will be in more capable hands with McCain than with Obama.

dedalus on August 9, 2008 at 12:52 PM

I remain astounded that the focus among the MSM, TV pundits, and Democrat supporters is that Edwards’ failing was the small affair.

The fact that, on numerous occasions, he looked straight into the camera and LIED, is not even noticed as THE real problem. Here was a man running for VP and President who repeatedly lied to the press, the American public, and his supporters. When Bill Clinton is invoked it is never about the lying under oath, it’s about the human failing of meaningless sex.

By diverting the topic to “lots of people have extra-marital affairs”, the MSM is still covering for the Democrats.

pilsener on August 9, 2008 at 1:01 PM

We differ on the Bush/Gore. I think the two have clear differences that would have made a Gore presidency very unlike GWB’s.

My point was to show not that Bush and Gore were exceptionally similar (they differed a great deal, but still had some similarities- Harriet Miers? Failure to understand military strategy whether it be Bosnia or the last 15 years in Iraq? In all cases, we failed to recognize the enemy, his tactics, his motivations, which translated into a failed response, misuse of air and ground power, etc.) My greater point is that as time has passed, the Republicans and Democrats have come closer and closer in terms of policy stances, especially when not only dealing with words, but also with deeds. What have the Republicans done to fix our nation’s energy policies in the last 35 years? What has either party done to fix welfare’s woes? What about Medicare/Medicaid? What about the deficit? What about illegal immigration? What about our failing public education system? I hear a great deal of talking, but haven’t seen a lot of positive action in the past 20 years in any area that requires vision beyond their term of office. If you vote for either Obama or McCain, you will get more of the same. So, rather than perpetuate this failing view of “voting for the lesser of two evils,” I’m going to vote for something better and hope others do the same.
What would truly fix this would be to institute a preferential voting system, which would allow folks to rank order candidates. But, when was the last time any elected official voted to reduce their own power?

Send_Me on August 9, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Can the MSM come back from this?

DfDeportation on August 9, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Never count any Dem out too soon. Howard Dean went totally insane on national TV, after which any reasonable person would have assumed he would never get another position of responsibility, again. But, that was not to be the case. Smoking crack doesn’t seem to bother Dems, either. Bill Clinton never should have shown his face in public again, after all of his shenanigans and outright stupidities, but not only did he come back, we got stuck with his wife possibly becoming POTUS.

No, nothing ever kills Dems. It requires a very strong push by the rest of the society and even then it’s not assured. Edwards should be beaten to a pulp, figuratively, until he no longer even thinks of trying to get back into politics or the public sphere and so that other scumbags get an idea of the trouble they could be heading into. It’s about time that people in public and the MSM started to understand that they are courting real doom if they continue with the insane ways they’ve been acting. Accountability and punishment must be reintroduced to our public figures and media.

Unfortunately, Edwards could easily come back. It’s important that he puts this thought out of his mind, forever, and given the idiotic things Edwards has been saying, this is going to take a lot more punishment than many people are comfortable giving.

progressoverpeace on August 9, 2008 at 1:47 PM

I heard a radio host guess that Edwards will wait for his wiffe to die and let the media fawn all over him and engender sympathy, then he goes for his political career again. Probably not office but his intentions were clear he was going to Al Gore route and found poverty as an issue to flog.

I know that is a very cynical take, but is it really that cynical? You are talking about a guy so narcissistic he ran for President knowing he had this ticking time bomb. I would not put a thing past Silky.

Theworldisnotenough on August 9, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Since Edwards lied repeatedly about the affair, you would think that he would be demanding, not just offering, a paternity test to restore some of his credibility.

If the kid is his, why would he offer to submit to a paternity test if he thought Hunter would refuse to allow the baby to be tested?

Blake on August 9, 2008 at 2:16 PM

If the kid is his, why would he offer to submit to a paternity test unless he thought Hunter would refuse to allow the baby to be tested? [I haven't had my coffee yet.]

Blake on August 9, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Probably not office but his intentions were clear he was going to Al Gore route and found poverty as an issue to flog.

Yes, nothing like an energy whore and an ambulance chaser who amasses millions through fraud, lecturing me that I must do with less. That’s the kind of political movement I would back.

Blake on August 9, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Can John Edwards come back?

Hm mm, Eddy didn’t drive off a bridge at 2:00am and swim away, lay on a stretcher, then ware a brace on his neck. So maybe there’s some hope for this pitiful ambulance chaser!

byteshredder on August 9, 2008 at 3:10 PM

No one’s mentioned the effect on the child involved, if Silky turns out to be her father. (I’m 99% confident that the “if” is unnecessary).

Think about growing up knowing that your father refused to acknowledge his connection to you until he was up against the proverbial wall.

So he betrays his wife and his children by her, and his illegitimate child, in one fell swoop.
Nice.

dulce on August 9, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Can John Edwards come back?

Stange word “come”…

Sure, he can redeem himself, the liberal way.

Edwards, similar to Al Gore and his carbon credits, needs to start a few fake companies, selling penis credits. This will make him super rich, potentially bring him a Nobel prize, and reduce his guilt factor.

I’ll start suggesting the first company he can create

Redeeming Phalli – “John me in cleaning up your laaf; there’s always hope. Never give up, never give up, never give up, as maa good friend Bill Clinton said”.

Entelechy on August 9, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Al Gore’s Inconvenient Loot
Former Vice President Al Gore has built a Green money-making machine capable of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can’t afford to play on Gore’s terms. And the US portion is headed up by a former Gore staffer and fund raiser who previously ran afoul of both the FEC and the DOJ, before Janet Reno jumped in and shut down an investigation during the Clinton years.

As Bill Hobbs first pointed out, Gore supposedly pays for his extra-large carbon footprint through Generation Investment Management (GIM) – and if you’re looking to go green, and have your wallet go along with Gore, think again – average people are too insignificant to play – verifiable from this pdf.

Generation is based in London, with its U.S. offices in Washington, DC. The firm will manage the assets of institutional investors such as pension funds, foundations and endowments, as well as those of select high net worth individuals.* Generation expects to make extensive use of long-term performance based fees. Generation will begin its investment management business in early 2005.

* like Al Gore

Gore’s company, GIM was specifically established to take financial advantage of new technologies and solutions related to combating Global Warming.

By substituting a few words, you have the perfect redemption plan for John Edwards.

Entelechy on August 9, 2008 at 3:40 PM

I suspect that after Edwards’ wife leaves him, or succumbs to her cancer (and I hope she does not), he’ll write a “tell all” book and profit handsomely yet again off a personal tragedy… only it will be his own as well as someone else’s.

I think it’s game over for Edwards’ political career though. Not because of the current climate, but because he’s STILL LYING, and those lies will eventually be exposed too. One lie at a time, the John Edwards facade will chip away until he’s fully exposed for all to see. One thing is for sure, if he’s denying that baby now, and continues to deny that baby, and he actually takes that paternity test and he’s found to be DNA proof-positive the father of that little baby he has been denying… he may as well tie a rock to his leg and jump in the Roanoke River.

Besides, Nancy Pelosi is running the most ethical Congress in history, and his infidelity and his perpetual lies are not conducive to Democrat liberal moral authority and high ethics. Right?

SilverStar830 on August 9, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Miss Hunter?
Hugh Hefner on line two. Miss Hunter?

viking01 on August 9, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Saw an interview with an Editor for the Enquirer on Fox…

He says Edwards is still lieing, and they have the proof… they are going to write MORE stories on it in the coming weeks…

Romeo13 on August 9, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Elizabeth Edwards is speaking out now, on Daily Kos.

And while all the previous diaries on DKos regarding the Edwards affair have been deleted and diarist accounts banned, since Edwards came out and admitted the affair, the newer Edwards affair diaries are filled with loathing for John Edwards… until Elizabeth Edwards diary was posted.

Now they’re fawning over John Edwards in the comments of Elizabeth Edwards’ diary and saying what a great guy he really is, what a great Attorney general he will make, etc ad blah blah blah.

Wow. The Kos kids sure are a lot of whack job two-faced hypocrites.

SilverStar830 on August 9, 2008 at 5:42 PM

With no paternity test to prove he’s the baby daddy, he will.

The DNC has no shame in making a cover-up as public as this one (referring to the other stories posted today about the flip-flopping on the issue of the paternity test), then denying any appearance of manipulation or wrongdoing.

On another note: STOP MAKING THIS ISSUE ABOUT ELIZABETH EDWARDS. ALL I HEARD YESTERDAY WERE POLS AND PUNDITS FEELING SORRY FOR HER. THEN I GRETA VAN SUSTEREN READ VERBATIM MRS. EDWARDS’ LETTER TO THE PRESS ON HER SHOW LAST NIGHT.

The bitterness and attack mode obvious in that letter shows she has fight in her, so please, STOP MAKING DILUTING THE ISSUE AT HAND, ADULTERY, WITH SOB STORIES ABOUT ANOTHER “STAND BY HER MAN” LEFTUS WIFE.

There, I vented.

madmonkphotog on August 9, 2008 at 7:06 PM

The thing is, along with priest, opinion columnist and judge, politician is one of the few careers built upon a reputation for pious morality.


Think of it as the screw you get for the screw you had.

If Edwards had gained his position by portraying the image of an ordinary, flawed guy who probably “chucks it about a bit”, then he wouldn’t be in this mess.

It’s because he’s gotten success through being Mr Clean Cut Moralist, that he’s stuck.

uptight on August 9, 2008 at 9:55 PM

please please Mr. Edwards, give it a try, so we can rip you a new one…

Kaptain Amerika on August 9, 2008 at 11:05 PM

Can John Edwards come back?

The Japanese say it best: Sire-onara!

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on August 10, 2008 at 2:04 AM

Edwards paid his whore off with campaign funds.

maverick muse on August 10, 2008 at 3:21 AM

I was struck by Edwards’ comment when he said he would gladly take a paternity test that “I’m only one side of the test”. That is a dead giveaway that he knows Reille has been paid off to refuse to play ball.

This is not going to end well for Edwards. When it come out that he is still lying, and it will, he won’t be able to get elected dogcather. Okay, maybe he could get a job editing at the NY Times. He has already adopted their code of ethics.

drunyan8315 on August 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM

The really scary part of the John Edwards story is how easy it is to tell stories and come close to be elected. Democracy is truly the worse form of government [except for all the rest] and it has only worked well in a separation of powers Republic system with two parties. The scary thing today is how money now buys the media to present us with pretend choices while the important decisions are still being made but are seldom mentioned.McCain may become a partial antidote because he at least doesnot duck the important issues as a stategery a la Bush 2.

jimw on August 10, 2008 at 11:58 PM

Of course Edwards volunteered to take the paternity test. He knew for certain that the mother would not ask for one. Why? I could give you a couple of million rea$on$. But here’s the logic:

(1) Edwards is not the father, and Rielle Hunter knows it. A paternity test (assumed to be administered by a reliable, independent company) would prove that fact and end all this speculation. She, and Edwards, would have the test taken ASAP, just to be done with it all.

(2) Edwards may be the father, and Rielle Hunter doesn’t want the true paternity discovered, for some reason (future blackmail? “just leave us alone” mentality?)

(3) Edwards is the father, and Rielle Hunter knows it and has been paid off. It’s possible that she’s nuts and wants this hanging over her and her daughter’s heads for the rest of her life, but a caring mother wouldn’t want that for her child. Neither would a caring father.

(4) Edwards is the father, and Rielle Hunter is just denying it to spite him. Can some legal mind tell us whether or or not a suspected father can demand a court ordered paternity test to prove or disprove his paternity?

Qzsusy on August 11, 2008 at 8:47 AM

Under normal circumstances, should infidelity be a disqualifier?

It as far as I’m concerned. It’s up to the individual voter to decide. I have real problems with men who cheat on their wives for whatever reason. It shows a distinct lack of loyalty and fidelity. Edwards, Clinton, et al, stood before God and man and swore fidelity to their wives for the rest of their lives. At the first oppurtunity they broke that vow. If a politician cant keep his word to his wife, then how can I expect him to keep his vow to uphold and defend the Constitution? How can he credibly keep his word to the people that voted for him?
I also believe in redemption. If he and his wife patch things up and get on with their lives, if he “goes and sins no more” then I’m fine with that and I’d give him another chance and vote for him. But as a voter I’d like to see some convincing repentance.

abcurtis on August 11, 2008 at 9:26 AM

After reading certain comments here, it’s no wonder the country is in the decadent state that it’s in. Plenty of people dont care what kind of trash they put in office as long as they subscribe to a liberal agenda.
Bad morals lead to bad ethics which led to bad laws which results in a no-longer-free republic.

abcurtis on August 11, 2008 at 9:53 AM

Can John Edwards come back?

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Come back to what? Was he ever anywhere to begin with?

Think_b4_speaking on August 11, 2008 at 11:44 AM

No, he can’t come back….was he ever back? Nah! I am still upset with my friend for voting for the adulterer! Now she is thinking, what was I thinking? It was the hair.

txstar on August 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Can John Edwards come back?

Shame! Come back, shame!

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on August 11, 2008 at 8:59 PM

The real question is: do they want him back?

If the guys with the most chips want you back you are rehabilitated. Like Clinton.

The question I have been working on is why Edwards was outed now, before the convention. It was the Enquirer, a Clinton weapon, but someone set it up for them.

There is the Brian Ross/Jake Tapper item about the Clintonista anger at Edwards for sucking up primary votes that would have let her win instead of Obbie.

Similar to the game played in the GOP to put McCain on top

The Clintons could have just killed him for the heck of it

Or, was Edwards massaged like Huckabee to think he was running on his own? Let him out of his pen in the primaries to suck votes and feed him to the Clintons later before he sticks on the ticket

Or, Edwards could be the chump who thought he was running the show. Give me the VP and I will give you the Presidency. OK sucker we are shaking in our boots

The one thing you can guarantee is Edwards was not working for Hillary

That means whoever pulled the trap door under his feet was not a Clintonista. They just finished him off.

It could be Obama but my opinion of Obama as a player is very very low. Obama, like Edwards, fits the useful idiot category

The Clintons are players, but who are they really playing against?

entagor on August 11, 2008 at 11:19 PM

I’d love to know how John Kerry would answer the thread question?

Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 1:23 PM

The guy is getting on national television and lying his a$$ off and expecting people to believe him. How much more insulting can you get? He has deluded himself into thinking that if he keeps this charade going, he might save his political career. He won’t. Worse, I suspect when his wife dies, he will come clean and blame all his deception on his desire to protect her. Yech.

Blake on August 12, 2008 at 1:58 PM

I would like to think Edwards’ career is toasted to a nice crispy brown on both sides, but I voted ‘not sure.’ Because I suspect the Democratic Party is willing to overlook Edwards; behavior. All one has to do is look at many of the left of center blogs, and they’re angry with the media for forcing the story to come out. So, reflect for a moment: Teddy Kennedy’s career should have gone down with the Good Ship Oldsmobile, and yet he’s been like the Energizer Bunny – his senatorial career just keeps going.

I think the thing which could end his career is if he is shown to have been using campaign funds to pay Miss Hunter’s living expenses, and possibly the whole question of her contract can be exposed as a pay-off to avoid blackmail. I suspect the MSM isn’t going to work overtime to investigate either of those issues, any more than they will examine and accurately report on why they ignored l’affaire Edwards to begin with. And anyone who thinks the Democratic Party, the so-called party of good government, will be holding congressional hearings on Edwards’ use of campaign funds in Pelosi’s Politburo is delusional. Yes There SHOULD be a congressional investigation. But you know the probability of that is slim to none.

Orson Buggeigh on August 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM

If I want to feel sorry for Elizabeth Edwards I will. I have immense sympathy for her as a wife who has been done wrong and a woman suffering from a serious illness. So, stop telling me I can’t or I shouldn’t.

Blake on August 12, 2008 at 2:21 PM

Don’t ask, don’t tell, TOO LATE.

maverick muse on August 12, 2008 at 3:59 PM

I voted yes, because he’s a Democrat. If Republican, the answer would be no.

Read Ann’s column, with clarity on the liberal hypocrisy that can’t be denied.

kirkill on August 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Can Silky come back?

To politics? No way.

To the Fluzie? Sounds like she’s waiting for him.

To Mrs. Edwards? Now that girl needs a good divorce lawyer. In the time she has left, she can make sure that her kids get half of Silky’s estate regardless of what happens with the fluzie.

EconomicNeocon on August 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM

John Edwards’ Sing Along

Hey there taxi, do your stuff;
I can’t get there fast enough;
Take me to that plane from way out West.
I’m just jumping in my shoes
‘Cause there ain’t no time to lose,
Got a date one-fifty-eight
With the one that I love best.
My cutey’s due at two-to-two;
She’s coming through on a big choo-choo.
She’s been a way for months,
But I haven’t cheated once,
Stayed home nights,
Didn’t dance,
Wasn’t taking any chance.
Didn’t flirt and though it hurt,
I just couldn’t do my cutey dirt.
My days were blue,
My nights were black,
But I just knew that she’d come back.
For I love her and she loves me, and say,
Tonight I’ll disconnect the phone
Because I want to be alone;
My cutey’s due at two-to-two today.

Leo Robin and Albert Von Tilzer

maverick muse on August 12, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Sure he can come back. He’ll tell us the remorse over Elizabeth’s cancer drove him to have the affair in the first place, to relieve the emotional devastation he felt over the prospect of losing her.
So actually, you see, he wouldn’t have had the affair but for his wife’s cancer, and he had the affair only because he loves her so much. — Democrat Ethics 101

petefrt on August 12, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Now that John Edwards has given his “semi-confession” to ABC News, the question begs to be asked: Is this just the beginning of a scandal that has wider implications beyond an extra-marital affair? Or will the MSM now take the position that Edwards has come clean, and it is now “time to move on”?

For the National Enquirer, this is not over. Edwards still denies paternity-even offering to take a test to determine if he is or is not the father of the child. Of course, he knows that the decision to allow the baby to be tested rests with Rielle Hunter-the same woman who is reportedly being paid $15,000 a month according to the Enquirer. She has now come out and stated that there will be no test, hardly a surprise.

But whether John Edwards fathered a love child with Rielle Hunter is not the main issue here. The real issue is the money that (according to the Enquirer) has been paid to Ms Hunter. That would involve money used to relocate her to Chapel Hill, North Carolina and subsequently to Santa Barbara, California. That would include the purported $15,000 a month. What about any funds paid to Andrew Young, the former Edwards aide, who claimed paternity and kept Hunter living nearby in the same gated community in Chapel Hill? Where has all that alleged money come from? We know that Fred Baron, former finance director of Edwards’ presidential campaign, has admitted paying for Hunter’s move to Santa Barbara to get her away from the prying eyes of reporters. According to Baron, the money was his own and paid without Edwards’ knowledge. Have funds been disguised to hide their true source?

All of which may or may not be true, but it appears that someone has some very deep pockets. If the Enquirer allegation about the money is true (and Baron has corroborated part of it), there may be criminal violations. What criminal violations you ask?

If it comes out that campaign money/contributions were used to funnel to Ms Hunter, then there would surely be a violation of federal election law and/or McCain-Feingold. Let’s say you sent money to Edwards’ campaign. How would you feel if that money were used to provide support to Rielle Hunter and her child? Or to relocate her to North Carolina and later to California?

It is now a case of follow the money. Hopefully, the FBI and/or the Federal Election Commission will launch an investigation. Hopefully, they will interview the persons involved, subpoena bank records, bring folks into the grand jury, put them under oath and all that other good stuff.

Who knows? Maybe the MSM will assign their ace investigative reporters to get to the bottom of it. Or maybe, they will just roll over, go back to sleep, and let the Enquirer show them up again.

gary fouse
fousesquawk

gary fouse on August 12, 2008 at 10:04 PM

First, let’s tackle the general question of infidelity and political office. We can assume that politicians as a class commit infidelities at least at the same general rate as the rest of the population, and perhaps even greater than that, given the expanded opportunities afforded them. Obviously, this becomes more of a risk at higher levels of politics, but the truth is that we elect human beings to office, and not saints — as Congress reminds us in so many ways. Is it really any of our business what they do outside of working hours?

True, we elect other humans to office, not saints. But the Edwards scandal is just another example of why I don’t think it’s too much to expect our politicians to stay faithful to their spouses. It’s a mess. Now, not only did he cheat on his wife, but he may be indicted for misuse of campaign funds. Not only can no one trust him again, but it shows a weakness of character that he can be blackmailed, exploited, or manipulated. Why is it too much to expect our politicians to have some morals, some immunity to this garbage?

4shoes on August 12, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Pelosi’s Politburo

Orson Buggeigh on August 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Pelotburo! Nice!

RushBaby on August 13, 2008 at 12:48 AM

I’ve quit smoking dozens of times. I finally quit 5 years ago. Still, sometimes I burn a cigarette when I’m with other smokers. Have I really quit? I believe I have. My doctor might disagree.

Perhaps some of us remember gravely breaking up with a girlfriend on Thursday then calling her on Saturday for a date. So did I break up with her?

A lawyer once wrote (I think it was Robert Shapiro) that the trick to lying under oath is to conceive of a reasonable lie, one that the liar can accept as true, and then say it over and over until the lie takes on the character of truth. At that point, is the liar still lying?

I think it’s interesting that Edwards seems to have taken this approach. He denounced the Enquirer’s articles complete lies because they contained some perceived inaccuracies. I imagine that if he can recall some moment in time when he merely regretted some aspect of his affair with Hunter, or if he ever left her doorstep without a firm date for their next assignation, or if he ever said the words “We better cool it, Baby,” he can bring himself to honestly argue in his timeline that he did stop the affair long before Hunter was aware of it.

The only reason I bring this up is because if there is ever a chance that he could be appointed Attorney General, this is the kind of law and professional integrity that he will bring to the position. And that’s especially chilling.

flicker on August 13, 2008 at 1:09 AM

Just took the poll and couldn’t believe how many believe his political career is ovah!

Just how do you explain Kucinich?

Kini on August 13, 2008 at 1:35 AM

His political career is NOT over. Cheating/whoring around is the way of male Democrats across America. Even Hillary understands that. :oP

DannoJyd on August 13, 2008 at 6:38 PM

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