Barna poll: Obama leads among atheists and agnostics, 55/17
posted at 6:30 pm on August 12, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Amazing … that there are that many of us voting Republican, that is. Didn’t we see some numbers in this vein not long ago pointing towards a more lopsided outcome?
The atheist vote’s just a sexy detail in an omnibus poll of religious voters. The good news: Obama’s lost seven points among Christians since June and has seen his support soften considerably in several subgroups. The bad news: Pretty much everything else, especially the fact that McCain’s only gained one point in the same period and trails among every “faith segment” except one. If Obama has a “Catholic problem,” what do we call McCain’s predicament? A “Catholic crisis”?
For the most part, the various faith communities of the U.S. currently support Sen. Obama for the presidency. Among the 19 faith segments that The Barna Group tracks, evangelicals were the only segment to throw its support to Sen. McCain. Among the larger faith niches to support Sen. Obama are non-evangelical born again Christians (43% to 31%); notional Christians (44% to 28%); people aligned with faiths other than Christianity (56% to 24%); atheists and agnostics (55% to 17%); Catholics (39% vs. 29%); and Protestants (43% to 34%). In fact, if the current preferences stand pat, this would mark the first time in more than two decades that the born again vote has swung toward the Democratic candidate.
However, while there has been little movement since the beginning of June among most voting segments (such as ethnic groups, age groups, or geographic slices), there has been substantial churn among religious segments. During the past two months, Sen. Obama’s lead has eroded substantially among non-evangelical born again Christians (a decline of nine points); active Christians (a 20-point drop); Protestants (down 13 points); and Catholics (down 11 points).
Even McCain’s lead among evangelicals comes with an asterisk: It’s based on Barna’s (more precise) definition of what counts as “evangelical,” not whether people describe themselves that way. By the latter definition, he’s ahead only 39/37. And even by Barna’s definition, he’s lost 17 points since June. I have no explanation for that except possibly his decision to cut Hagee and Parsley loose. That came on May 22; maybe the news didn’t penetrate among evangelicals for a few weeks. It can’t be that Obama’s evangelical outreach program is peeling tons of people away or else the margin between them would be closer.
All in all, no surprise given how many Americans are Christian that the same recent trends in national polls show up here — lots of people still undecided and Obama’s halo starting to dim a bit, with McCain unable to capitalize. I read something the other day speculating that he has a ceiling of about 45 percent; I’m starting to worry that that may be true. Exit question: Can you name one high-profile evangelical who’s stumping hard on his behalf? Huckabee was the obvious choice to be a liaison to Christians but aside from a few token joint appearances I haven’t heard of him doing much of anything. McCain’s own credentials are sufficiently suspect among this constituency that you’d think the campaign would be clamoring for credible surrogates to get out on the trail for him, but … nothing. What gives?
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Why? McCain’s not exactly wearing his religion on his sleeve, unlike Obama.
Darth Executor on August 12, 2008 at 6:34 PM
As I’ve said before, if every Christian in America accepted the Bible’s teaching on abortion and voted, Obama would lose because of that issue alone.
kc8ukw on August 12, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Obama also appears to be the choice of Communist Party
USA.
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/975/1/147/
rplat on August 12, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Um, no. This might be news to some but Evangelicals don’t blindly follow television evangelists.
terryannonline on August 12, 2008 at 6:39 PM
I’m an athiest for McCain, AP. That makes 2 of us.
redshirt on August 12, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Probably because Ann Coulter, Phyllis Schlafly, and a good bunch of conservatives who have sway over Christian voters know he’s a loser. I haven’t heard a peep about him ’round the church since he left.
I have heard angels sing, though.
emailnuevo on August 12, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Maybe McCain has sinned too much in his life (theft, adultery, etc.) to get any real Christian support for his bid?
alphie on August 12, 2008 at 6:42 PM
Nah, doesn’t take much thinking about Obama to realize McCain is the least communist oppressor choice.
If all of America does a little thinking it’ll be McCain by a landslide.
Speakup on August 12, 2008 at 6:42 PM
You are one classy fellow, alphie.
terryannonline on August 12, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Yeah, i’d never really heard of either of these guys before Huck graced us with his presence, and I’ve been in an evangelical church since the Sunday after I was born.
It's Vintage, Duh on August 12, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Ha….those who love the devil are for Obama…what does that tell you, particularly after listening to Wright?
sharinlite on August 12, 2008 at 6:50 PM
There simply aren’t that many of ANYBODY clamoring for McCain. Very few care about Parsley and Hagee – that’s not the problem. Evangelicals haven’t gotten fired up about McCain simply because he’s McCain. He’s nowhere near the top of our list. I know Huck likes to see himself on TV, but I don’t think he’s the surrogate that will win many over. If he’s really the Man of God that RedPill and SaintOlaf look up to, why is he playing politics instead of PREACHING THE GOSPEL!?!
If McCain wins over evangelicals, it will be for other reasons. It’s actually working on me. I’ve gone from:
“Vehement McShamnesty Basher” to
“We’re screwed either way, but I’d really rather see the libtards pout than rejoice so I’ll vote McC” to
“We need somebody that’ll break his foot off on Putin’s azz”
innominatus on August 12, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Wait a minute. . . I thought the evil ‘evangelicals’ were going to cost the Republicans the election. Those staunch Republican anti-abortion Catholics hold up McCain really well by supporting Obama by 39%.
But oh yeah, it’s the ‘evangelicals’ that are going to destroy the party. Interesting how they even created more ‘classes’ of Protestants for this poll. It’s all BS.
ThackerAgency on August 12, 2008 at 6:54 PM
Obama – The candidate of choice for the ungodly.
Guardian on August 12, 2008 at 6:54 PM
“Evangelical” and “born-again” can often count black churches, who may be voting Obama due to other reasons.
Sekhmet on August 12, 2008 at 6:56 PM
So Obama leads amongst gays and other atheist liberals. Now that’s a shocker!
orlandocajun on August 12, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Atheist Republicans. Now there is a minority.
Can we get affirmative action to favor us?
JayHaw Phrenzie on August 12, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Well,maybe Dobson will change his mind!
canopfor on August 12, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Absolutely. Christians are unwilling to accept anything short of the Messiah himself. Because we all think we’re electing a pastor, not a President.
Oh, and we’re all complete self-righteous pricks incapable of understanding human weakness. That too.
PS. What we really want is a fascist theocracy where we get to persecute “the gays” and jail people for atheism and hold inquisitions where we drag people from their homes and force them to convert. I just thought I’d make that perfectly clear.
Tolerance!
TheUnrepentantGeek on August 12, 2008 at 7:08 PM
Maybe McCain sinned…..
alphie on Aug 12,2008 at 6:42PM.
alphie: Thats a good one,did you know after Bill(Predator)
Clinton left the Oval Office,besides fumagating it,
that room had to have a exorsim,not once,but twice!
alphie I emplore you,step out of the Liberal dark,
and step into the Republican light! haha:)
canopfor on August 12, 2008 at 7:10 PM
oops,that should be implore and not emplore!
canopfor on August 12, 2008 at 7:13 PM
My unscientific poll is also showing Obama running strong among those who have visited an emergency room to have a vacuum cleaner removed from their genitalia.
whitetop on August 12, 2008 at 7:14 PM
Allah, just face it. You’re one odd duck. We like that about you though.
Rhinoboy on August 12, 2008 at 7:15 PM
I’m a gay agnostic and there’s no way anyone could get me to pull the lever for SNOBama. Of course, I’m not convinced I should pull the lever for McCain, either.
Vic on August 12, 2008 at 7:17 PM
McCain may be great with agnostics but how does he do with the Santerians?
Cicero43 on August 12, 2008 at 7:30 PM
Not amazing at all. America is full of non-believers who don’t vote Democrat. Clearly, you spend too much time reading left wing blogs and your own commenters. Don’t let that skewed sample mess with your head.
Infidoll on August 12, 2008 at 7:44 PM
The Barna poll is at odds with the recent Zogby poll (not that I’m a big fan of either).
Moreover, I would bet that those nubers change dramatically once you take out traditional Dem blocs like blacks and Hispanics (see Gallup).
Karl on August 12, 2008 at 7:56 PM
nubers = numbers
Karl on August 12, 2008 at 7:57 PM
not this Agnostic… I may have been a FredHead, but when the chips are down I’ll vote for the guy who served his country with distinction…
Kaptain Amerika on August 12, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Haven’t you figured this out yet? Huckabee is a southern version of McCain who really doesn’t have any sway with Christian voters. Just because somebody calls themselves an evangelical and Christian doesn’t make any more true than when crusty liberal political traitors go to CPAC and call themselves a Reagan Republican. One look at Huckabee’s record as governor proves why he isn’t the bridge to Christians he keeps getting touted as.
If McCain wants the Christian vote, he needs to be more open about his faith than his current agnostic mutterings that suggest he is not morally grounded in faith. He needs to get individuals like Dr. Dobson out there endorsing him (no small task given McCain’s record on social issues). Finallly, he has to ask for it instead of assuming it is his because he is the Democrat heading up the GOP ticket.
highhopes on August 12, 2008 at 8:21 PM
If you don’t put your faith in God, you’ll fall for anything.
Texas Rainmaker on August 12, 2008 at 8:39 PM
How any person that claims he/she is a christian and is voting for Obama is beyond me.
He recently mocked the bible but the very fact that he has said there was no difference in aborting a baby in or out of the womb makes him a murderer and the “christian” beyond a fool.
Conservatives R Us on August 12, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Racist!
davidk on August 12, 2008 at 8:42 PM
You forget option 3- sit this election out when it comes to casting a vote for President. I am an evangelical and social conservative and am considering this option as a kind of protest vote for those who have destroyed the GOP.
John McCain thinks he can win this thing without the vote of the GOP base. I wish him luck in that endeavor. Oh! and for the record, I will not bother pursuing the whole not voting is a vote for McCain stupidity. It is an arguement put forth by McCain’s apologists because they can’t defend McCain’s record.
highhopes on August 12, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Put me down as another of the 17 percent voting for McCain.
I am quite amazed that the democrats put up someone who is more arrogant than McCain but they did. Of course, there is no way I would vote for a leftist under any circumstance.
swampleg on August 12, 2008 at 8:57 PM
I don’t agree. Allah is not the Chupacabra.
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on August 12, 2008 at 9:41 PM
You mean that’s one of you.
wise_man on August 12, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Obama (PBUH) also leads among:
Communists: 100% – 0%
Socialist: 100% – 0%
Marxists: 100% – 0%
Trotskyites: 99% – 1% (Christopher Hitchens!)
Nazis: 100% – 0%
Anti-American, Americans: 100% – 0%
Jihadis: 100% – 0%
Pro-Jihadis Americans: 100% – 0% (CAIR, etc…)
Hezbollah: 100% – 0%
Hamas: 100% – 0%
Gazans: 100% – 0%
Al Qaedaeans: 100% – 0%
Muslims: 100% – 0%
Blacks: 95% – 5%
Dictators: 100% – 0% (Castro, Chavez, Ahmadenijad, Ortega….)
Nation of Islam loonies: 100% – 0%
Black Liberation Theologists: 100% – 0% (Cone, Wright, Pflagger, Moss, Michelle Obama)
Anti-American Hollywoodites: 100% – 0% (Clooney, Pitt, Damon, Sarandon…)
American Traitors: 100% – 0% (Fonda, Turner, Murtha, Kerry, Plame, Wilson, Carter, Kennedy clan….)
Anti-American Nutbags: 100% – 0% (Sheehan, Franken….)
Anti-American Hollywood Trash: 100% – 0% (Hilton, Johansson…)
German Citizens: 100% – 0%
Dhimmified British Citizens: 100% – 0%
Anti-American Spouse cheating Democratic Politicians: 100% – 0% (Edwards, Spitzer….)
People who watch South Park: 100% – 0%
People who watch the Comedy Channel: 100% – 0%
Felons: 100% – 0%
Brain-dead, Bong-hitting college kids: 100% – 0%
WOW!
What a distinguished group of followers!
Any others??
Makes me proud to be an American…
Dale in Atlanta on August 12, 2008 at 9:56 PM
It’s amazing what some women will do. :)
OldEnglish on August 12, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Dude! Hatin’ on the Park!
Seriously great list, otherwise.
Rhinoboy on August 12, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Dude! Hatin’ on the Park!
Seriously great list, otherwise.
Rhinoboy on August 12, 2008 at 10:12 PM
I actually watch South Park too; but I just had to throw that in there to get back at the little leftist in my office who LIVES and BREATHS South Park!
Dale in Atlanta on August 12, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Yeah? You and who else?
Jaibones on August 12, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Dude! You are really close on this one; really close…
Jaibones on August 12, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Pft. This agnostic is voting for McCain.
Yakko77 on August 12, 2008 at 11:10 PM
I’m another agnostic not voting for Obama.
deewhybee on August 12, 2008 at 11:28 PM
McCain supporter and agnostic here.
Not surprised to see us stereotyped above here, as if we were any more generic that religious people.
greenLibertarian on August 12, 2008 at 11:43 PM
*raises hand*
RushBaby on August 12, 2008 at 11:47 PM
I’m an Evangelical and I’m voting for McCain. Actually, the fact that he doesn’t thrill the usual Evangelical crowd is a plus for me, considering that I think the whole lot of them are ape buggie ass cracknuts. Anyone who antagonizes the likes of weenies like Dobson and Hagee is fine by me.
By that same token, any self professed born-again Evangelical stupid enough to vote for the Obamanation is probably a closet satanist.
Lincoln on August 13, 2008 at 12:09 AM
AP hearts Obama also, though he pretends he doesn’t.
WoosterOh on August 13, 2008 at 12:35 AM
You get it!
Anybody with a nodding acquaintance of the Bible could never vote for Obama in good conscience.
Mojave Mark on August 13, 2008 at 1:05 AM
NO! If you claim to be a Christian, then you will be held to Christian/Biblical ideals by other Christians. It’s called having a standard, and measuring a person against that measure by what they claim.
The rest of your comment was the same old “blame evangelical Christians for having standards” type ranting that I’m just going to ignore…
dominigan on August 13, 2008 at 1:07 AM
I second that. I am still planning on voting… for local and state elections.
dominigan on August 13, 2008 at 1:10 AM
Atheist for McCain here.
Jason Coleman on August 13, 2008 at 1:39 AM
The pollster has an unusual definition of evangelical versus born again. Born again is apparently someone who believes they will go to Heaven if they accept Christ into their hearts while evangelical includes a whole list of requirements including accepting the Bible as literal truth.
The pollster’s definition of born again covers a lot of the ’softer’ mainstream churches where the Bible is a nice metaphor to learn from and miracles while inspiring, may just be fairy tales. The pollster’s categories can easily mislead people who use the terms differently.
In particular, a lot of people who would poll ‘born again’ would be considered barely Christian by others. A person can be pro gay marriage, pro abortion, dismissive of Christ’s teaching that ‘None come to the Father except through me’, a pure Obama liberal, and still poll as born again
This poll finding born-agains supporting Obama would be no surprise, considering how born-agains are defined
I prefer Zogby who is more clear in his definitions
entagor on August 13, 2008 at 2:36 AM
If more than 90% of the people believe in these various forms of mysticism and superstition (aka religion) and if the populace really votes according to their cultish dictates and if that Bama poll is correct McCain should save his energy and the party’s money by conceding defeat even before the
NurembergDenver rally.Annar on August 13, 2008 at 6:44 AM
And Obama hasn’t?
No, alphie, what’s far more likely is that McCain hasn’t reached out to Christians the way most Republicans have. I think the polls are going to look like that until right before the election when many will decide that they can’t let Obama win even if they don’t like McCain. But until then, this is their protest, which you see here every day from those of us who are still a little pissed McCain’s the nominee.
I can relate. Though on the “we’re screwed either way” stage, I was leaning towards not voting. With Putin going nuts, I’m being drawn back in.
Very much not true. South Park is mostly libertarian. They’re relatively fair in the mocking, getting both the Right and the Left, but their morals at the end of the story generally lean Right, just not socially Right.
It’s an incredible show with some actual depth as opposed to Family Guy and The Simpsons.
Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 10:30 AM
The mocking… that’s why many atheists are disliked. Many of you simply can’t help yourselves. You feel so superior in not believing in something the vast majority of the world does, like a college kid who just discovered indie music.
That’s alright. I don’t care if you think you’re better. I’m secure in my own knowledge that isn’t based on some blind acceptance of faith as you assume it is. Your words are useless and only serve to out you as person who must look to others for self worth.
Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Very much not true. South Park is mostly libertarian. They’re relatively fair in the mocking, getting both the Right and the Left, but their morals at the end of the story generally lean Right, just not socially Right.
It’s an incredible show with some actual depth as opposed to Family Guy and The Simpsons.
Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 10:30 AM
again, I posted that to get back at the little Leftist who sits beside me at work, and who LIVES and BREATHES “South Park”; I watch it too; but I had to put that in there for him….
Dale in Atlanta on August 13, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Ahh. That explains it. Never mind then.
Esthier on August 13, 2008 at 10:52 AM
fixed it for you
right4life on August 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM
That’s what I see, too. The only reason I have to believe that McCain is a Christian is because he said so, like Obama, and because he has voted pro-life. But he’s not 100% on that, because he’s for embryonic stem cell research.
But I don’t think McCain wants to court the Christian vote. I think he’s afraid of losing the Demmaccains.
NellE on August 13, 2008 at 12:58 PM
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