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posted at 10:40 pm on August 11, 2008 by Allahpundit
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“[T]hrough centuries of European history the only constant has been that small countries, doomed by geography to lie between great powers, are destined to be the cockpit for their imperial ambitions.”
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The reason I brought up the artillery system is because unless we are willing to move some of our air bases from Western to Eastern Europe, a robust long range and intelligent artillery system would be very useful to defend Eastern Europe from conventional forces.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 1:16 AM
Georgia attacked first. That’s the problem. Otherwise you’d have a point.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Georgia attacked Russia?
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 1:21 AM
South Ossetia including its capital Tskhinvali.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:23 AM
Ossetia is within the recognized national boundaries of Georgia
William Amos on August 12, 2008 at 1:26 AM
Buonas noches elduende :)
…a region which is in its own internationally recognized border (its = Georgia). freevillage makes up reality as he sees it. Then he’ll ask you to quote things.
They were not part of Russia.
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 1:26 AM
Sderot gets hit with 3000+ Kassam rockets and the world yawns, but if the Israelis roll tanks to get the launchers, they’ve “attacked”. Same game applies here. There are only about 70,000 “South Ossetians”, who presumably have some sort of gainful employment most of the time…..and, yet, they’ve managed to keep doing chip shots over the border into Georgia proper for years. Can there be any doubt that their munitions come from somewhere else? Some other country in the area that was very, very, very ready to roll tanks over the border?
cthulhu on August 12, 2008 at 1:28 AM
Where the hell is Mr. Cheney? If he runs things, how come we’re not seeing any of them in action?
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 1:28 AM
Oh, my mistake—I could have sworn that Tskhinvali is in Georgia.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 1:29 AM
South Ossetia including its capital Tskhinvali.
Which are inside Georgia NOT in Russia.
This is none of Russia’s business the way Russia attacking Chechnya was none of Georgia’s.
The moral equivalence does not play well when Russian actions have been bloody with regards to anyone that dares challenge their hegemony. I wonder, were the Chechens wrong to bleed the Bear through 3 wars or were they bad guys too?
elduende on August 12, 2008 at 1:29 AM
No. They are a region controlled by Russian peacekeeping forces according to a UN mandate, which was voted for by all major countries in the world including the US.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:29 AM
FL, on those systems, more tomorrow. Must sleep some. More work awaiting in the morn. Good night Washington :)
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 1:30 AM
So what freevillage? – we know the intent of Russia. The wolf is not even wearing sheep’s clothing. The only sheep are the ones doing nothing, all over the world.
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 1:31 AM
That’s incorrect. Georgia had no internationally recognized mandate in Chechnya. There’s no equivalency.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:31 AM
Oh, ok… :)))))
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:32 AM
Goodnight Entelechy.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 1:32 AM
I wonder does that supposed UN mandate extend to attacking Georgia’s oil pipeline and Tblisi and Poti?
elduende on August 12, 2008 at 1:32 AM
Cheney thanked Georgia for the troops they sent to Iraq, Ent.
Was there something else he was supposed to do?
alphie on August 12, 2008 at 1:33 AM
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 1:30 AM
Hasta Manana Entelechy que duermas bien.
elduende on August 12, 2008 at 1:34 AM
No, they’re not. According to the news they’ve moved out of that region and are demanding the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Georgia.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 1:34 AM
Хорошая ночь freevillage
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 1:34 AM
Insufficiently medicated MadisonConservative can now observe how easy it actually is to get quotes from me. Anyway…
No. That’s a clear overreach to put it mildly. Russia was in my view absolutely within its rights to hit back inside Ossetia, and threaten an even more devastating response upon repeated attempts to attack.
What’s going on now has gone far beyond any peacekeeping mission.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:36 AM
elduende on August 12, 2008 at 1:34 AM
Gracias. Usted también :)
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 1:36 AM
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:31 AM
Don’t get cute Freevillage.
My point is that Russia had free reign in Chechnya to crush a self identified nation within its borders when an irredentist movement threatened Russian territorial integrity. This is the same thing Georgia did. Why are the Russians allowed to do it to their seperatists but not Georgia?
elduende on August 12, 2008 at 1:37 AM
Fixed if for me.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 1:38 AM
What is your side doing?
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 1:39 AM
Patton understood what the Russians were and he knew what to do with them. Too bad he wasn’t listened too as so many of Russia’s victims might have been spared. Past victims, present victims and future victims.
#uck Russia!
GENERAL PATTON’S WARNING
It was only in the final days of the war and during his tenure as military governor of Germany — after he had gotten to know both the Germans and America’s “gallant Soviet allies” — that Patton’s understanding of the true situation grew and his opinions changed. In his diary and in many letters to his family, friends, various military colleagues, and government officials, he expressed his new understanding and his apprehensions for the future. His diary and his letters were published in 1974 by the Houghton Mifflin Company under the title The Patton Papers.
Several months before the end of the war, General Patton had recognized the fearful danger to the West posed by the Soviet Union, and he had disagreed bitterly with the orders which he had been given to hold back his army and wait for the Red Army to occupy vast stretches of German, Czech, Rumanian, Hungarian, and Yugoslav territory, which the Americans could have easily taken instead.
On May 7, 1945, just before the German capitulation, Patton had a conference in Austria with U.S. Secretary of War Robert Patterson. Patton was gravely concerned over the Soviet failure to respect the demarcation lines separating the Soviet and American occupation zones. He was also alarmed by plans in Washington for the immediate partial demobilization of the U.S. Army.
Patton said to Patterson: “Let’s keep our boots polished, bayonets sharpened, and present a picture of force and strength to the Red Army. This is the only language they understand and respect.”
Patton: “I understand the situation. Their (the Soviet) supply system is inadequate to maintain them in a serious action such as I could put to them. They have chickens in the coop and cattle on the hoof — that’s their supply system. They could probably maintain themselves in the type of fighting I could give them for rive days. After that it would make no difference how many million men they have, and if you wanted Moscow I could give it to you. They lived on the land coming down. There is insufficient left for them to maintain themselves going back. Let’s not give them time to build up their supplies. If we do, then . . . we have had a victory over the Germans and disarmed them, but we have failed in the liberation of Europe; we have lost the war!”
The more he saw of the Soviets, the stronger Patton’s conviction grew that the proper course of action would be to stifle communism then and there, while the chance existed. Later in May 1945 he attended several meetings and social affairs with top Red Army officers, and he evaluated them carefully. He noted in his diary on May 14: “I have never seen in any army at any time, including the German Imperial Army of 1912, as severe discipline as exists in the Russian army. The officers, with few exceptions, give the appearance of recently civilized Mongolian bandits.”
And Patton’s aide, General Hobart Gay, noted in his own journal for May 14: “Everything they (the Russians) did impressed one with the idea of virility and cruelty.”
Nevertheless, Patton knew that the Americans could whip the Reds then — but perhaps not later. On May 18 he noted in his diary: “In my opinion, the American Army as it now exists could beat the Russians with the greatest of ease, because, while the Russians have good infantry, they are lacking in artillery, air, tanks, and in the knowledge of the use of the combined arms, whereas we excel in all three of these. If it should be necessary to right the Russians, the sooner we do it the better.”
- This article originally appeared in Issue Number 53 of National Vanguard Tabloid in 1977.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 1:40 AM
We’re holding our cold war reenactment, Ent.
This weekend it will be held on a yatch bought with Star Wars pork.
alphie on August 12, 2008 at 1:41 AM
He wasn’t elected democratically. The percentage of people who voted for him in 2004 according to official figures is… 96%. I think very few countries including North Korea are more democratic than that. I bet you didn’t even know this number. I guess “the news” didn’t tell you that. Oh, well. That put aside…
The conflict started in South Ossetia where Georgia was clearly in the wrong. As I said, the proper way for Russia to respond was to push them back to the border and stop there. I think the plan now is to punish Georgia big time. I don’t believe they want to overthrow the government and set their guy. This is way too much trouble in return for not much, really.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:41 AM
Ah, MB4, now I can go to sleep in the knowledge that someone understands my eternal fury of being born in Communism because Patton wasn’t allowed to exercise his will. Thank you.
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 1:42 AM
alphie, you’re the biggest liar on HA if you ever again claim to have been a Ronald Reagan anything. Other than that you’re probably an ok person.
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 1:44 AM
Good question. Direct it to the forefathers. My answer is, there’s no difference logically speaking. It’s a usual double standard in politics. Had the Americans lost the Independece War, they’d be know in history as terrorists. Now they are the founders of the country.
Same thing applies to any other region. If you can keep a region that tries to secceed, then you’re a victor over terrorists. If you lose, then you go in history as a tyrant who tried to squash freedom loving people but failed.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:45 AM
Georgia attacked first. That’s the problem. Otherwise you’d have a point.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:20 AM
No georgia was responding to shelling from South Ossetia. the assualt was trying to silence that shelling. another fact you got wrong. Let me know when you get anything right.
Georgia’s all-out assault on South Ossetia was preceded by attacks by Ossetian forces against Georgian troops earlier in the week, including a separatist ambush with rocket-propelled grenades on a Georgian armored personnel carrier that killed two soldiers and injured six, Georgian authorities said. On Thursday, a separatist mortar attack on the village of Avnevi killed eight Georgian civilians.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/chi-080808-georgia-ossetia-webaug09,0,5431730.story
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 1:45 AM
Same thing applies to any other region. If you can keep a region that tries to secceed, then you’re a victor over terrorists. If you lose, then you go in history as a tyrant who tried to squash freedom loving people but failed.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:45 AM
So the General Lee and the confederacy were terrorists? I’ve heard everything now.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 1:47 AM
They started a full blown war. That shelling you now say you responded to was a response to another shelling, which was a response to an even previous shelling… and so on… for 15 years now.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:49 AM
No, they were simply people who wanted to keep blacks as subhumans.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:50 AM
UPDATE 3-U.S. suggests Russia wants “regime change” in Georgia
TheBigOldDog on August 12, 2008 at 1:51 AM
The conflict started in South Ossetia where Georgia was clearly in the wrong. As I said, the proper way for Russia to respond was to push them back to the border and stop there. I think the plan now is to punish Georgia big time. I don’t believe they want to overthrow the government and set their guy. This is way too much trouble in return for not much, really.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:41 AM
Again wrong. The conflict was started South Ossetia “rebels” i.e Moscow puppets. Russia who just happened to have 8,000 troops nearby (imagine that!) rode to the resuce of these “rebels”
Classic trap. The Soviets did this all the time. In fact the korean war and the vietnamese war where started under similar conditions
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 1:53 AM
No, I didn’t. I’ve been working all weekend and have only read about this cursorily. I didn’t know that Russia had a UN mandate either, which I think is ridiculous. Which bonehead American administration failed to properly veto that BS?
They have a natural right to defend themselves. It sounds like they were doing exactly that.
What border? The Russian border with Georgia? This is so confusing. /sarc
Rice was apparently told otherwise and I think I’ve heard that another source was similarly informed that the president of Georgia has “got to go”.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 1:55 AM
Smoking Bravo Sierra.
Patton should have been allowed to tear the Russians limb from limb.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 1:56 AM
The UN is a dangerous joke. I can’t believe it’s still in operation.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 1:56 AM
This little spat will most likely run out the clock on the Bush admin. and with it any chance of an attack on Iran.
Putin doing his Iraniam pals a favor?
alphie on August 12, 2008 at 1:57 AM
They started a full blown war. That shelling you now say you responded to was a response to another shelling, which was a response to an even previous shelling… and so on… for 15 years now.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:49 AM
Sooo you just admitted that you have no idea who started the war. But your previous posts say Georgia did. So which is it. Did Georgia respond to the attacks on its troops by the “rebels” or did they just for no apperent reason invade the region? And why would the rebels attack Georgian troops in Georgia? Last I looked thee rebels where not trying to conquer Georgia. And Georgia was not thinking of invading the region before the “rebels” opened up. and what of the railraod tracks the Russian spent 3 months building. And the 8,000 troops just sitting around on the border. Just a big coincidence? Wow what fortunate deliverace for the “rebels” God must have been looking out for them.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 1:58 AM
It is also ironic these ‘rebels’ happen to show up while we have lame duck president on his way out.
terryannonline on August 12, 2008 at 1:58 AM
I saw today at Vremya there are now bombers and destroyers that are a part of Russia style “peacekeeping”. Progress.
Only (free)village idiots buy this BS.
Aristotle on August 12, 2008 at 1:58 AM
I have watched the UNSC meeting. I do myself think Saakashvili has become an obstacle to Georgian people. His entire 5 years of ruling have been nothing but a disaster. I also think Putin has always been and is an obstacle.
There is a war, and people will say all sorts of things. I think it’s fairly obvious to anyone in Russia that there’s no way a Russian puppet will be able to sit in Tbilisi. They won’t be recognized, and it’ll be a perpetual headache.
My own prediction is that Saakashvili will stay. He wil certainly lose Ossetia. There’s simply no way anyone will let him have it back after all the war that he started. You start something like this — you gotta win. You don’t win — that’s it, no second chance. Kind of like Kosovo.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:58 AM
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:45 AM
No you are right there is no difference between what the Russians did to Chechnya and what Georgia was trying to do keep their territorial integrity intact. Except of course that the Russians saw an opportunity to destroy Georgia and its pro US government based on an excuse.
elduende on August 12, 2008 at 1:59 AM
I will stop talking to you now.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:59 AM
When it comes to Russia, freevillage has closed the eyes of his mind to reality and is keeping them shut by force.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 1:59 AM
Sarkozy heads to Russia on peace mission
TheBigOldDog on August 12, 2008 at 2:00 AM
Makes me wonder why he ever left for a country he seems to hold in much lower regard.
TheBigOldDog on August 12, 2008 at 2:02 AM
No, they were simply people who wanted to keep blacks as subhumans.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:50 AM
Again you show your ignorance. The civil war was not fought for slavery. Lincoln himself did not even bring the slavery question into it until 1863. It was about federalism vs national government more so than slavery. The ending of slavery was a great by-product of the war but it was not the main reason the south went to war.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 2:03 AM
More Steaming Bravo Sierra from one who’s minds eyes are kept shut by force. Either Patton should have been allowed to destroy the Russians or we should have held off on the Germans for a time and let them do it. What a much better place the world would be.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 2:04 AM
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. I don’t know if it helps that much but I was thinking that this might be a good time to strike Iran while Russia is somewhat distracted.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 2:04 AM
And just as the Olympics are distracting the worlds attention.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 2:06 AM
He would seem to have a case of profound cognitive dissonance.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 2:07 AM
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. I don’t know if it helps that much but I was thinking that this might be a good time to strike Iran while Russia is somewhat distracted.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 2:04 AM
Well Georgia does border Iran. If the US invade Iran Russia will have a clear supply line striagt to Tehran to “defend” the Iranians.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 2:08 AM
This may be much closer to home. Again, my view is the following. This “excuse” you’re talking about is shooting at Ossetians and Russian soldiers, too. At least 12 soldiers died before any Russian soldier crossed the border of Ossetia with Georgia.
So Russia had the following dilemma. Either they would swallow it and have people like… everyone on HA laugh at it and say how lame they are, or go and punch someone in the face…. hard. I think the correct response was to punch someone hard until they understand that you can (and in my view, should) argue in the UN that Russia has been a destabilizing force in the region, try to get a more multi-national force there etc. What you cannot do is make a decision to start shooting at Russian soldiers. You do that — you die. That hasn’t been an axiom lately. It should be.
I will not support Russia going out of Ossetia into Georgia’s territory. I think it will hurt Russia at the end. Worst thing I’m afraid of is not the reaction of the West. They hate Russia regardless. People here call my people drunks and slaves and whatever over not a single objection. The West’s opinion as it is articulated now should be ignored.
The problem is that Russia isn’t a democracy and all those regions haven’t democratically elected to be in Russia. Russian has enough problems in the Caucasus region as it is with Muslim Republics being “Russian” only in the name. I don’t think adding more problems to that serves any good purpose.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:08 AM
Score for Unseen.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 2:09 AM
I will stop talking to you now.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 1:59 AM
That’s usally the best thing to do when you are shown up and totally wrong on a subject. either that or admit your wrong and stop putting your foot in your mouth.
Either way.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 2:09 AM
See, you people are missing the whole point that freevillage is making.
If a Russian/Chinese/North Korean/Al Qaeda ally/puppet/stooge fires weapons into an American ally’s towns it’s called ‘preserving the cease fire.’ No American ally can ever respond with even the slightest force against any kind of attack, ever.
Didn’t you guys read the rules? Sheesh.
Also, genocide is good so long as it’s done by Russia/China/North Korea/Al Qaeda. It’s just part of their cultural heritage, and it is wrong for us to judge them on that.
TABoLK on August 12, 2008 at 2:10 AM
You, too. It’s 2am, and I’m sick of shameless liars.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:12 AM
TABoLK on August 12, 2008 at 2:10 AM
sorry I haven’t had time to read the democratic platform yet. I’m sure it goes over all those rules.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 2:12 AM
Please quote me where I said or implied that.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:13 AM
It’s the only way to justify appeasement.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 2:13 AM
You, too. It’s 2am, and I’m sick of shameless liars.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:12 AM
Score for FloatingRock
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 2:13 AM
Seems to me that Patton was talking about a preventive war.
Johan Klaus on August 12, 2008 at 2:14 AM
Interesting point.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 2:14 AM
How do you live with yourself? :)
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 2:17 AM
How do you live with yourself? :)
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 2:17 AM
vodka?
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 2:18 AM
To hell with you, and to hell with your imperialist genocidal motherland. Oh…
I’ve lost count of the number of times you’ve posted just to say those words, you intellectually dishonest, disingenuous, dodgy, smarmy little bolshevik.
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2008 at 2:18 AM
Ossetia is not in Georgia?
Johan Klaus on August 12, 2008 at 2:18 AM
…and yet you lap up Russian propaganda.
Rich. Really rich.
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2008 at 2:19 AM
I hope he can remember how to say “nie kulturni”.
‘Cause if it don’t apply here, I don’t get where it would.
cthulhu on August 12, 2008 at 2:19 AM
Don’t you know? By the laws passed down to us by freevillage, peacekeeping operations eliminate sovereignty and proclaim territorial control to the nation who proposed the initiative.
Isn’t this fun?
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2008 at 2:21 AM
It is officially. It is not in my description of war events simply for clarity, in order to differentiate between a region where Russia has every legitimate reason to be, and where they have no reason, nor legal standing to be.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:21 AM
Interesting point.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 2:14 AM
It is sigthed as one of the main reason the USA did not invade during the 1979 embassy taking. The Soviet Union would have invade Iran from the north to stop the USA from getting a strangle hold on the Iraniian oil reserves. And Carter did not want a fight with the Soviet Bear. The Afganistain war was some thing a result of the USA’s decsion to not invade Iran. the Soviets with a mass of soldiers in the neighborhood decided to go ahead with an adventure of their own since the USa were seen as a paper tiger.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 2:22 AM
hmm interesting timing.
A U.S. Coast Guard cutter will embark on an Arctic voyage this week to determine the extent of the continental shelf north of Alaska and map the ocean floor, data that could be used for oil and natural gas exploration.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1138192220080811?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 2:26 AM
So Georgia can’t be in their own country and Russia can. Odd.
Johan Klaus on August 12, 2008 at 2:26 AM
freevillage is an excellent troll…
And considering his position, ironically named.
You see, Georgia was tarting it up in a mini-skirt and walking down the wrong street. She was asking for it…
Asher on August 12, 2008 at 2:27 AM
It’s not odd. It’s not that they can’t be in their country. It’s that they can’t have their troops enter it freely and uncontrollably. I don’t think you had a problem with this concept when Kosovo was part of Serbia.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:28 AM
You see, Georgia was tarting it up in a mini-skirt and walking down the wrong street. She was asking for it…
Asher on August 12, 2008 at 2:27 AM
More along the lines she was getting ready for bed and looked out the window because of a noise…..
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 2:28 AM
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:08 AM
So if Russian troops come under attack they have to respond with a massive invasion. Well that’s good to know.
Here’s a little story; last September 19th(?) a small unit of our 10th Mountain Division was patrolling Diyala along the Iraqi Iranian border suddenly they were ambushed by a large force of Iranian Revolutionary Guards inside Iraq.
After the smoke cleared there were less Iranians in existence and the after action reports suggest that the Iranians were trying to kidnap some of our soldiers.
Now does this mean it would have been justified for us to launch a massive air assault on Iran on the basis of this cross border attack?
If it is good enough for Russia to do why can’t we do it too?
elduende on August 12, 2008 at 2:29 AM
Obfuscation does not lend itself to clarity.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 2:29 AM
Ah, you rememerer well Grasshoper.
All rules have exceptions.
1) All rules have exceptions.
2) No preventive wars.
3) In case of Russia, see rule #1.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 2:30 AM
I don’t think you had a problem with this concept when Kosovo was part of Serbia.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:28 AM
I don’t remember hearing about Georgia killing entire villages because they were muslims living there either.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 2:30 AM
Not that good. It’s just that people here are really ignorant of even the most basic facts and some of them aren’t very bright. I’ve discussed politics on the web since something like 1990, I think. Calling me a commie stopped passing as an argument long time ago.
The proverbial mini-skirt included 12 killed Russian soldiers. I realize that on this website people would vote to hand “the girl” an award. I don’t blame the Russians for taking the exception with this approach.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:32 AM
But the Russian troops can?
As for Clinton’s war, I personally think that we should have missed that one.
Johan Klaus on August 12, 2008 at 2:32 AM
freevillage can believe five impossible things before breakfast.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 2:33 AM
See… I mean, this is where I stop reading. I’m not trying to insult you or anything. Just explaining how my communist black racist mind works.
I specifically said, I did not support an invasion, didn’t I? Why do you lie by pretending like you haven’t seen me say that?
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:34 AM
freevillage can believe five impossible things before breakfast.
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 2:33 AM
If he has enough vodka make that six
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 2:34 AM
specifically said, I did not support an invasion, didn’t I? Why do you lie by pretending like you haven’t seen me say that?
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:34 AM
And Yet Russia is invading and you still defend them. Hmm interesting how your logic works.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 2:36 AM
Or that the rapist was already in the house and by fighting back she deserved to be murdered.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 2:37 AM
So you get to pick and choose?
By the way, I am too old to be a grasshopper. They don’t live this long or get this ugly.
Johan Klaus on August 12, 2008 at 2:38 AM
“So Russia had the following dilemma. Either they would swallow it and have people like… everyone on HA laugh at it and say how lame they are, or go and punch someone in the face…. hard. I think the correct response was to punch someone hard until they understand that you can…”
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:08 AM
Are those your words?
Knowing the Russians have taken their punch and have kept punching do those words above not imply that when you shoot at a Russian they have to teach us a lesson?
elduende on August 12, 2008 at 2:38 AM
In freevillage’s Russian world everything is nonsense. Nothing is what it is, because everything is what it isn’t. And contrary wise, what is, it isn’t. And what isn’t, it is. You see?
MB4 on August 12, 2008 at 2:39 AM
They have a UN mandate. Do you remember the no fly zone in Iraq? If it were up to me, Russia would not have been in Ossetia at all. Not because I’m a chauvinist like most of people currently in this thread. I couldn’t be given my ethnicity and cultural roots, anyway. I simply think it’s not in the Russia’s interests.
But now that they are there, yes, it’s a difficult situation where the Russian military is part of the problem. However, this is my only point really. And I know, a crazy one. You can’t kill Russians and expect no retaliation. Georgia started killing people. Russian response was way out of proportion. However, it doesn’t change the fact that Georgia started the mess.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:40 AM
I don’t. But you weren’t talking to me, so carry on.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:41 AM
I’d have to have more information from an independent source before I could have any sympathy for them. It wouldn’t surprise me if they were amongst the rebels in the capacity of advisers and for preparing for the coming invasion.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 2:41 AM
Yes, but the lesson should be harsh but measured. When your son steals something from you, you will know what I mean. No, mine hasn’t. It’s just an example.
I do support killing those who started shooting at the Russians. I don’t support overtaking their country, or even invading it.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 2:42 AM
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