Quote of the day
posted at 10:40 pm on August 11, 2008 by Allahpundit
“[T]hrough centuries of European history the only constant has been that small countries, doomed by geography to lie between great powers, are destined to be the cockpit for their imperial ambitions.”
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Funny. This doesn’t happen in North America.
Dr. Manhattan on August 11, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Putin will make Yalta look like childs play.
He cannot be trusted, never could be, and GW and the State Department have been played the fools.
He knows the Americans and Europeans will not act, will not engage, and will not lead. Hitler knew this about the French, (for which he had the same scorn), and the Americans.
They have planned this for months. Bush’s foreign policy is in tatters. As machaivelli said, appeasing your enemies just brings more hostility and reluctance from your friends.
Starlink on August 11, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Wait ’til Vermont secedes.
fiatboomer on August 11, 2008 at 10:45 PM
The U.N. dithered while Tblisi burned.
I’m shocked that the various antiwar groups haven’t yet rallied to the cause of the brave Georgian people, defending themselves against the imperialistic aggressor. This is about the poor civilians, right, and not about crushing a Republican President?
Bishop on August 11, 2008 at 10:48 PM
“The historical reasons why the West should intervene
in Georgia!
Freaggin a la’ Typical,Liberals want action,then when
the action gets too hot,they wanna pullout!
Then the next thing you know,their protesting the vary
war that they advocated!
canopfor on August 11, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Ain’t the Olympics great?
profitsbeard on August 11, 2008 at 10:55 PM
best…line….ever
DwnSouthJukin on August 11, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Yep. Putin is going for the whole kit-n-kaboodle. Dictatorship and Persecution begins again in Eastern Europe. And it always begins in Russia….
mjk on August 11, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Allow Ukraine into NATO, ASAP. Draw the ring so tight, Putin’s only choice is to be a good world citizen.
tommylotto on August 11, 2008 at 10:57 PM
We need to act fast. All that’s left is for Russia to invade China and India, and then Putin is going to get a 7 army bonus at the beginning of next turn.
e-pirate on August 11, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Speaking of world citizens, imagine Baracky in charge when things like inevitably happen. Sleep tight.
Bishop on August 11, 2008 at 11:00 PM
e-pirate on August 11, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Using ‘Paratrooper Rules’ would allow us to airdrop new armies into Kamchatka.
Bishop on August 11, 2008 at 11:02 PM
I don’t have to imagine it; I already saw what his first response to this crisis was. That’s (yet another reason) why I’m voting for McCain.
AZCoyote on August 11, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Putin wants oil. All of it. That will be total domination.
mimi1220 on August 11, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Hitler only wanted the Rheinland. Really.
lorien1973 on August 11, 2008 at 11:04 PM
The United States of America is the World’s only supremely powerful nation, that weaker nations can live right next to, while owning abundant and valuable natural resources, and still never lose a wink of sleep. That’s why we’re great, and Russia and China will never be great.
RBMN on August 11, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Maybe a tsar is reborn. I am beginning to wonder if this is Ivan the Terrible come back from the Dead.
Terrye on August 11, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Um, why would Russia invade China? I admit I’m not the most knowledgeable about military affairs but doesn’t China have a military that’s just as power (or more so) than Russia?
terryannonline on August 11, 2008 at 11:06 PM
If this is the case, why do we have Delaware and Rhode Island? I mean Biden is an embarassment.
SouthernGent on August 11, 2008 at 11:06 PM
With Georgia gone, any intervention to prevent the annexation of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Khazakastan, Turkmenostan, Tajikistan, Uzbekastan, and Krgezistan is blocked.
The Russian Empire resurrected.
After that: Ukraine and Moldova.
DJ Elliott on August 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM
It’s a Risk (the game) joke.
lorien1973 on August 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM
They have no choice. Our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan gave us two Risk cards. Once we take Iran we’ll complete a set.
e-pirate on August 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Putin yearns for the good old “Cold War” days. We should be hard, resolute but not hate-filled. That would be what Putin wants. The best outcome for this would be one where irrelevance is the reward for aggression. We should be acting to strip Russia of its options on the world stage. And China. We need to
reformreplace the UN. It’s imperative. The UN is Russia’s and China’s ace in the sleeve. Without it they are rendered much more irrelevant and we will become much more clear-eyed.silverfox on August 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM
“are the ghosts of Europe’s bloody history rising from
from their shallow graves!”
For some reason I think the ghosts of Iran’s past,
from the hostage crisis are rising as well,Putin
and dinnerjacket,two peas in a pod!
And it looks like Putin is just sitting back,as proxie
Iran,goes nuclear!
Time to open zee eyes,because I think Iran is on a
verge to try sumpin stupid,maybe with the two aircraft
carriers being sent someone has already read the tea
leafs!
Sounds like an oil strangulation,Putin and the pipelines,
and dinnerjacket and the straights of Hormuz!
And, add in another grand distraction,the American
election,the timing of all this,eh!
canopfor on August 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM
It would be advantageous for China to side with the USA against the Russians. China is not a force to be reckoned with in that area if they were to be with US and NATO.
China is not at all pleased with the actions of Russia especially with China’s days in the sun with the Olympic games.
jencab on August 11, 2008 at 11:11 PM
First smile amidst the madness.
Two!
BL@KBIRD on August 11, 2008 at 11:16 PM
If Russia wants to mess with the Chinese, they are in for a lot of hurting.
terryannonline on August 11, 2008 at 11:17 PM
“GW and the State Department have been played the fools.”
The good news is that nobody is ever going to trust Putin again. Ever. Russia has spent whatever political capital they have in the rest of the world and will have to operate from now on with threats and intimidation.
crosspatch on August 11, 2008 at 11:21 PM
The anti-war left won’t allow America to defend itself anyway, so there’s not much that can be done to stop Russia.
Karmi on August 11, 2008 at 11:21 PM
If Bush was around during the Truman administration we would have no Berlin airlift for sure……
The only positive I can see about Soviet adventurism is after 4 months left of Bush fecklessness it will dramatically raise McCain’s chances.
However, by January, he will inherit an absolute mess, over-stretched military, Poland and the Czechs now getting threatened, the Russians on the Turkish border, and the EU and NATO dithering on getting involved.
GW’s legacy will one of hesitation, diplomacy, weakness. Putin has done his homework.
Starlink on August 11, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Look…Russia is France with actual military power. But, it’s not personal…they will oppose us always because they simply think they are…deep in their dark, black, inadequate, shriveled little hearts…better than us. They are tweaking our noses now because we ignored them when they asked us not to intrude on ‘their turf’, by westernizing their former breakaway republics.
They know we won’t take them on militarily now…with a lame duck president and the ‘O’ unicorn (and his tin-foil hat buddies in Congress) waiting in the wings to coddle and give them more of that liberal love and understanding they crave so much. The American left, along with their legion of useful idiots, are now a huge voting block in this country…finally able to take the entire government in a single electon. Russia figures it has nothing to lose now..and Pooty Poot can rejoice in delivering the farewell knife right into GWB’s back. The man who thought he could see love in Putin’s eyes.
So, if by some miracle, Georgia goes ‘Afghanistan Strategic’ on the Russians and the US somehow finds a way to support a guerrilla war movement in the Caucuses, then some good may come of this…Russia humiliated and Geogia saved. But at this point, there is no way that can happen without a terrifying amount of blood being shed in the region.
AUINSC on August 11, 2008 at 11:25 PM
So in the last, say 10 years, what good did the US voluntarily do to Russia that they wouldn’t ever do again?
freevillage on August 11, 2008 at 11:26 PM
I was so looking forward to going to sleep tonight, not feeling depressed. What you say, is so truthful.
wise_man on August 11, 2008 at 11:30 PM
I hope Russia doesn’t back San Francisco when they break from the U.S. and become AlexBalwinia Land.
Claypigeon on August 11, 2008 at 11:34 PM
“So in the last, say 10 years, what good did the US voluntarily do to Russia that they wouldn’t ever do again?”
You’re kidding, right? In 1992 we imported less than a half-billion dollars in goods from Russia. Last year we imported about 10 billion dollars in only the first five months of the year. How much do you want to bet that our imports from Russia are getting ready to decline significantly.
crosspatch on August 11, 2008 at 11:37 PM
I’m willing to admit that I got that. Nice one.
This is what they’re referencing. When you take all the territories in Asia in the game, you get seven army units as a bonus every turn you hold said territories. North America and Europe give you five, Africa I think is three, and South America and Australia give you two.
Russia isn’t going to go after the Chinese, if anything, they’re looking to forge a friendly relationship or alliance with the Chinese.
doubleplusundead on August 11, 2008 at 11:37 PM
oops, I meant we imported 10 billion in the first five months of THIS year, not last year.
crosspatch on August 11, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Haven’t we given billions in aid to Russia?
doubleplusundead on August 11, 2008 at 11:39 PM
The left sees this as a humanitarian intervention on the part of Russia. They believe Georgia has engaged in genocide and war crimes. They are wholeheartedly on the side of Russia, and are adamantly opposed to the US sticking their noses where it apparently does not belong, i.e. Russia’s back yard.
So in essence, the left believes Russia should have a free hand to deal with their back yard however they see fit really, and that for peace and prosperity’s sake we should side with the Russians.
Riposte on August 11, 2008 at 11:42 PM
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3183.htm
Exports–$355 billion
U.S. exports–$7.4 billion
Wow. 2%. Anything else?
freevillage on August 11, 2008 at 11:42 PM
The people commenting earlier were talking about Russia “invading” China and not a friendly alliance.
terryannonline on August 11, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Putin can not win unless he takes Australia.
infidel on August 11, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Indeed. I miss you so when you don’t comment.
The birds-nest stadium and all the other fluff, while so many die at the hand of the same old bastards, and the same other bastards stand by shrugging their shoulders.
What the fruck did the U.S. owe Russia in the last 10 years. The Russians, if they had a free spirit and bone, would get off their arses, and out of their drunken stupor, and do something against totalitarianism. Alas, they have been historically, and still are, sheep, no more.
In the meanwhile the U.S. has freed 50 million people in the last few years, with a bit of help, certainly not from the Russians. Not to mention the others who’re still free due to Ronald Reagan. Spare me the alternate theory of who freed them.
The Russian leaders, including Putin could have been magnanimous in history – as is they are the same putative megalomaniacal monsters they’ve always been.
My blood boils just thinking of them, as my life was affected by them. I hate them, and you, if you support them, more than anything ever possible!
Entelechy on August 11, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Aren’t we getting a little too hysterical here?
terryannonline on August 11, 2008 at 11:44 PM
James Bond would grab Putin around the neck, Bitch slap the ugly little skinny screwup, and then, make him go out to dinner with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. But that might be a form of torture. Darn.
Travis1 on August 11, 2008 at 11:45 PM
They know we won’t take them on militarily now…
AUINSC on August 11, 2008 at 11:25 PM
I disagree. We have military on the ground right now and i have no doubt engaged against the Russians as we speak. We can still guarantee Georgian sovereignty without going to war but it will require a military response. We can resupply the Georgians and reinforce our Special Forces in country for starters then make a more overt move by bolstering Georgian air defenses with Naval assets off their coast. At that point its up to the Russians to weigh the costs of continuing. They will back down because the Georgians with our support can bleed them bad.
It’s all fun and games until someone starts eating your armored columns in Tblisi.
But writing off Georgia right now without even attempting to help militarily is beyond thinking.
elduende on August 11, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Nothing. I’m trying to understand the price that Russia is paying right now. If they don’t behave well, their price will at worst be
- This is the 11th year that we don’t owe you anything.
Correct?
freevillage on August 11, 2008 at 11:45 PM
A risk player!…Is there a place to play online?
jerrytbg on August 11, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Australia is where it gets “a little hysterical”. When does it get crazy? Is it within the Solar system or somewhere outside?
freevillage on August 11, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Thanks for taking my comment completely out context and being rude as usual. You know what I meant. Stop being a complete jerk.
terryannonline on August 11, 2008 at 11:50 PM
You’re both missing the running RISK jokes.
TexasDan on August 11, 2008 at 11:52 PM
They are talking about a game called Risk. Google it.
Sue on August 11, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Seams he may have a thing about people named Terry…
don’t know, just a guess..
jerrytbg on August 11, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Bill RIchardson yet again proving how inept Democrats are on foreign policy
William Amos on August 11, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Tell me what is the context. I mean right on this page, somebody calls all Russians are called not having a free bone in their body. (Remember me not caring about millions killed in camps? All mental slaves, I presume.) And drunks, too. In earlier threads Russia was called an immoral nation.
Then there’s me who has not read your mind carefully enough.
It so happens that I’m called a jerk, while for some reason — purely accidental, I’m sure — you have not voiced your objections to anything described above.
So, please do enlighten me about your “context”. I really want to know.
freevillage on August 11, 2008 at 11:56 PM
lol, i never could play risk type games.
trailortrash on August 11, 2008 at 11:56 PM
I would love to believe it is true..well, we do have, what? 133 advisors there (who didn’t seem to know this was even coming, BTW). A token, non-belligerent force and in no way a credible deterent (which is proven by Russia’s actions in the last 24 hours). I think Wretchard at the Belmont Club has it right…the only hope for the Georgians is to move south, close to the Turkish border, with their army somewhat intact, and pray for arms and support from the US and a few other friendly nations. Because, we just simply are not going to put any kind of significant military force on the ground there…period. If it happens, I’ll rejoice and feast on an all-you-can-eat ‘Crow Buffet’
AUINSC on August 11, 2008 at 11:57 PM
That’s some hardcore sacrifice in the name of freedom.
freevillage on August 11, 2008 at 11:59 PM
I couldn’t even get to the 3 min. mark…
jerrytbg on August 12, 2008 at 12:00 AM
baldilocks on August 12, 2008 at 12:03 AM
I hate when I flub the script.
baldilocks on August 12, 2008 at 12:04 AM
freevillage, prove that they want to be free, after 10 years. What have they done to prove otherwise? Your “owe 11 years” evades an answer. There might be a few who love freedom, but the masses don’t demonstrate that they do. Otherwise they wouldn’t vote for the same old putative dictators.
Your very question of “what has the U.S. done for Russian in the last 10 years” is not a freedom-loving approach. Freedom-loving opulations free themselves from their wolves, they don’t wait for other sheep to come free them.
There’s not much to be proud of for being Romanian, but I sure am proud that they sent that tyrant of Ceauşescu to meet his maker, the way and in the time they did.
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 12:05 AM
What you took out context is that I referring to the commenter saying Russia can’t take Australia as a “little hysterical”. (Turns out they were talking about a game, my bad). You then turn out with our snide remark “Australia is where it gets “a little hysterical” and make it seem like I was saying if Russia invaded Australia it would be just a “little hysterical.” You used my comment inappropriately and you know it.
terryannonline on August 12, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Thank you! I do what I can.
AUINSC on August 12, 2008 at 12:06 AM
I’m not evading an answer. I was the one asking the question, remember? When the US says their attitude will be worse, how worse can it get? I really wonder.
As for voting for a dictator, there’s no real elections in Russia. I will concede that the level of support for Putin is troublesome. But I personally don’t believe that it’s anywhere close to the official figures.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Likely so. I doubt China would limit their response to harsh words and talk of meaningless UN resolutions that would certainly be vetoed.
It’s dangerous for a government to make idle threats only to back down if the challenge is met, more so when it happens repeatedly. We’re not Bugs Bunny and our enemies are not Yosemite Sam. Iran has crossed over the many lines the Europeans and ourselves have repeatedly drawn in the sand without significant consequence to date and I think it’s very possible that this was a major factor in their equation when Russia was weighing the risk of invading Georgia.
No doubt Russia felt Georgia was worth the trivial bureaucratic aftermath that is unlikely to result in any substantive response. I only hope they are wrong.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 12:09 AM
AUINSC on August 11, 2008 at 11:57 PM
I think they can hold Tblisi. Don’t sell our people short; those advisors are engaged with the units that they have been working with. An American special forces presence is a force multiplier. We need to resupply and reinforce them NOW.
The greater point is that there are military responses that don’t necessarily involve a huge American military response that would provoke outright war but to throw in the towel before even helping signals the doom of our legitimacy in Eastern Europe.
elduende on August 12, 2008 at 12:10 AM
opulations, obviously s/b populations
baldi, me too. I did hit the quote today, when intending to hit the strike key…happens in the heat of the moment :)
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 12:12 AM
“freevillage on August 11, 2008 at 11:42 PM”
You posted very old data, like from 2002 or something. Last year we imported about $20 billion from Russia. November of 2007 was the largest month at $1.983 billion. THIS year trade was up significantly. We imported $2.344 billion in May alone for a total in the first five months of the year of $9.867 billion.
crosspatch on August 12, 2008 at 12:12 AM
AUINSC on August 11, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Oh and i hope you are the one eating crow and not me. But I know that if I am the one eating crow America will be eating crow too and in that i take no delight.
remember they need to hold them at Tblisi.
elduende on August 12, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Also, the bulk of Russian exports in dollars are from oil. We don’t import much oil from them. We import mostly goods. Cutting those back will severely hurt their industry. Unless they are going to reconvert their industrial base back to military production, they are going to be hurting.
crosspatch on August 12, 2008 at 12:14 AM
My reference is here.
crosspatch on August 12, 2008 at 12:15 AM
Old conventional wisdom: Putin = Boris Badenov.
New conventional wisdom: Putin = Adolf Hitler.
jgapinoy on August 12, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Yes?
jerrytbg on August 12, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Are you not being a bit opulent there?
carbon_footprint on August 12, 2008 at 12:17 AM
BTW, is anyone else sick of Putin? What a jerk; are we supposed to be afrai
carbon_footprint on August 12, 2008 at 12:20 AM
I think it’s time to move many of our forces in Western Europe toward the East to shore up our new NATO partners and dissuade any further expansionist aims Russia may have. Western Europe is worthless as allies anyway. They don’t want us to move our bases for economic reasons? Too bad, they’ve had plenty of time to recover from WWII, let them provide for their own defense for a change. They’ve been on defense-welfare far to long and have grown dependent; it’s time to cut them off for their own good.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 12:21 AM
It is sad but Georgia is a victim of geography. They could no more allow a significant American presence there than we could a Russian presence in Montreal. And no other country cares enough to do anything. A risk/benefit analysis says stay home, make a lot of noise and try to get the international community to make some noise too.
snaggletoothie on August 12, 2008 at 12:23 AM
I am, but I earned it, the hard way. It wasn’t given to me and I didn’t inherit it either. It’s all possible in America, with hard work, determination, attitude, free spirit, independence, patience, rationale, more hard work, and just getting the hell up early every day and getting it done :) And, no whining.
It will all change under Obama.
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 12:24 AM
I say we need to show the Russians that we take this seriously. I would suggest an activation of the Selective Service and run a lottery. Don’t draft anyone yet, but run a lottery. Then I would reactivate the REFORGER series of exercises and coastal recon flights. There is still a little bit of pre-positioned supplies in Holland, I believe, that can be drawn for a REFORGER style exercise.
crosspatch on August 12, 2008 at 12:25 AM
It’s almost like you have no respect for Canadian sovereignty. I’m sure local freedom lovers will lynch you for that.
Nah, don’t worry. They won’t.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Rumsfeld was so right – that’s why he’s so despised by them, including by his own relatives in Germany.
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Hope! lol! He really has become laughable…
nite.
jerrytbg on August 12, 2008 at 12:27 AM
Nite jerrytbg.
Address of a nation
Shame on the rest of the world!
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 12:32 AM
I’m not sure what your fix is supposed to indicate, so I’m not sure if my answer is yes or no. I don’t think that Europe or the US is going to achieve anything substantive through diplomacy. In fact, a merely diplomatic response is likely to further embolden Russia.
BTW, it appears that nested quotes were enabled in the recent update.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 12:37 AM
I was joking, of course.
You rawk.
carbon_footprint on August 12, 2008 at 12:37 AM
This is a key moment in our modern history. God help us.
CP on August 12, 2008 at 12:40 AM
I’ve thought the past seven years have been key moments in our modern history. It just keeps getting more complicated.
terryannonline on August 12, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Funny. This doesn’t happen in North America.
Dr. Manhattan on August 11, 2008 at 10:44 PM
If the left’s version of history of what should have happened occurred it would be. If the USA did not conquer the Native AMericans. the european powers of Russia, Britian, farnce, Spain, and Germany would have filled in the void and North America instead of being a stable force would be torn from border wars and naked power lust.
And if by some chance the Europeans powers did not conquer the lands the native americian nations would be even now fighting for land amonst themselves. It is human nature.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 12:47 AM
The best option for the U.S. at this point is to arm the Georgians with shoulder-fired anti-aircraft/anti-armor weapons and a bunch of other small arms. Give Russia the gift of a new Afghanistan, or Viet Nam.
I wonder if the Georgians would fight to be free.
jaime on August 12, 2008 at 12:48 AM
terryannonline on August 11, 2008 at 11:06 PM
It was a joke using the game of risk as a reference.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 12:49 AM
I liked Rumsfeld but I don’t think he was right about everything. For example, I think we need to maintain and grow our capability to thoroughly squash conventional forces, otherwise our deterrence capability is diminished. I don’t know a lot about it but I think that that long range mobile artillery system he put the kibosh on might have been beneficial in this regard, especially where air cover may be less than ideally practical, such as in Georgia.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 12:51 AM
unseen,
Yeah, I figured that out a little late. See my earlier post. I apologized.
terryannonline on August 12, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Putin can not win unless he takes Australia.
infidel on August 11, 2008 at 11:43 PM
The secret of the game. If you can take Australia and hold it you are much more likely to win. south Maerica is another card but it has two borders that need to be defended. Take Australia. It has one entry point. Also take Siam.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 12:56 AM
terryannonline on August 12, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Terry, ignore freevillage he is an idiot. Doesn’t know what he is talking about.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 12:58 AM
As for voting for a dictator, there’s no real elections in Russia. I will concede that the level of support for Putin is troublesome. But I personally don’t believe that it’s anywhere close to the official figures.
freevillage on August 12, 2008 at 12:09 AM
yeah it is always hard to vote for someone that gives you the best economy in a geberation, that restores your country’s prestige to the world stage, and takes back the natural resources that the “evil western corparations” had “stoled”
If Putin was running for President of the USA with that record he would win in a landslide. Hell BHO wants to do the same crap minus the milatry adventures and he has 45% of the vote. The dems have learne dthat people will sell their grandmother for a free handout.
unseen on August 12, 2008 at 1:05 AM
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 12:51 AM
FR, I replied in regard to the bases in Germany, etc…to what you first wrote, not more.
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 1:05 AM
Indeed. I didn’t see a smiley, but figured as much…it provided a good opportunity to vent, anyway – it’s one of those evenings. It’s been a productive day, no matter. Regards,
Entelechy on August 12, 2008 at 1:07 AM
I know. I agree with you in that regard, and for all I know Rumsfeld may have been right to end that artillery program, (I don’t know what it was called), he knows more about it and the alternatives than I do. It was an extremely heavy system, and while I was trying to find a video on it I found this, which is very light and seems capable.
FloatingRock on August 12, 2008 at 1:12 AM
For those that want to paint the Georgians as the black hats here; I have one question:
I want to know why Russia is allowed to brutally destroy/exterminate a breakaway province like Chechnya in the name of territorial integrity but when Georgia does the same thing they are attacked with the same army that occupies Chechnya?
BTW hi Entelechy.
elduende on August 12, 2008 at 1:14 AM
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