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posted at 1:18 pm on August 10, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Bobby Jindal hits back at whining from the Barack Obama campaign over his response to Obama’s attack on Randy Scheuneman. On ABC’s This Week, Jindal was asked about a sharp retort from John McCain after Obama said that McCain was unduly influenced towards our ally because of Scheuneman’s prior work for the Republic of Georgia. Instead of taking that bait, Jindal pressed the experience advantage McCain has over Obama and why it mattered in this crisis:
ABC’s Jake Tapper: “When you heard me mention to Governor Richardson the Obama campaign attack against Senator McCain when it comes to the Russia/Georgia crisis, I want to now read you comments from the McCain campaign against Senator Obama: ‘The Obama campaign has offered nothing more than cheap and petty political attacks that are echoed only by the Kremlin. The reaction of the Obama campaign to this crisis, though at odds with our democratic allies and yet so bizarrely in sync with Moscow, doesn’t really raise questions about Senator Obama’s judgment; it answers them.’ I’ll put it to you. I didn’t really get an answer out of Governor Richardson, but I’ll put it to you. Is that really an appropriate response to a crisis this severe?”
Governor Jindal: “Well you know, Senator McCain first went to Georgia back in 1997. He, as soon as this crisis emerged in no uncertain terms, said that Russia should withdraw its forces, observe a cease-fire, suggested that there needed to be true international peacekeepers there. I think this is another example during these uncertain times, where we need experienced leadership. We need somebody like Senator McCain who will take a stronger view, a more experienced view, when it comes to international security and protecting America’s interest.
“I think during these kinds of uncertain times you want somebody with Senator McCain’s record of bringing real leadership, real reform to Washington. As one example, even fighting his own Administration, his own party, he stood for the surge in Iraq when it wasn’t popular to do so. Senator Obama, I think he’d have a lot more credibility if now he’d admit that the surge had actually worked. There’s nothing wrong with him saying he was wrong about it.
“So when it comes to the Georgia crisis, I think this is another good reason why the American voters are going to choose Senator McCain’s leadership. Not just political rhetoric. You know Senator Obama condemned the violence, and that’s a good thing, but we need to go beyond condemning the violence and actually offer solutions.”
Tapper: “So you don’t think that Senator Obama is echoing the Kremlin and has views that are bizarrely in sync with Moscow? Is it fair to say you don’t share that?”
Gov. Jindal: “I agree with what you asked Governor Richardson. I think it was wrong for Senator Obama to try to focus on a McCain adviser, rather than actually listening to what McCain had to say about the policy, rather than recognizing McCain’s years and years of experience when comes to international affairs. You know, this is a very serious international crisis. I think the administration has correctly sent word to Moscow, this is not acceptable. Georgia is a stalwart ally of ours, as you noted, they’ve sent troops to Iraq. They’re applying for membership to NATO. NATO has indicated that they would like them to become a member. They’re an example of Senator McCain’s push to spread democracy in that part of the world. There’s a very important advance of America’s interest as well as being good for international stability. So instead of trying to detract from the central issue, I wish Senator Obama had actually confronted the issue no t trying to detract our attention by focusing on a McCain adviser.”
Why attack Scheuneman for working on behalf of a democratic ally of the United States? It seems especially strange now, while the Russians drop bombs on civilian centers in Gori and Tbilisi, and most people understand Russian intent to keep Georgia from allying even closer with the West. Scheuneman certainly did nothing wrong in representing Georgia previous to his work for McCain, and Obama’s attack on McCain suggests that Obama doesn’t value Georgia’s friendship and doesn’t understand the strategic necessity of Georgian independence from Moscow.
Jindal uses that as subtext to explain everything wrong with Obama’s response over the last 48 hours. Instead of scolding Russians for attacking Georgia, he told Georgia to exercise restraint as Russian bombers attacked their civilians. Instead of supporting an ally, Obama attacked McCain’s adviser for his previous work for Georgia, an attack supported by current lobbyists for Russia.
Obama clearly has no idea of the issues or the consequences surrounding Putin’s South Ossetia adventure. He’s flailing for a policy, while McCain — who’s actually been to Georgia and studied the ongoing political conflict for a decade — understood immediately what the outbreak of war means, and what its motives are. Jindal does a good job here in driving that point home, while Obama continues to demonize lobbyists as his only response to every policy issue.
Politics of fear? That’s all Obama can sell.
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Good response from Jindal. Only problem is, pretty much all the thinking people already don’t support Obama…
Think_b4_speaking on August 10, 2008 at 1:24 PM
That says it all…and it’s working well. I am absolutely terrified of the thought of Obama in the White House attempting to run our country with his angry wife who thinks our country is mean. God help us all.
katieanne on August 10, 2008 at 1:27 PM
from Putin’s perspective, wouldn’t it have made more sense to play this card once Obama actually won the election, rather than take a big step towards assuring that the much tougher McCain will be there to face him down for another four years?
AdrianG on August 10, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Obama’s a one trick pony who has morphed “McCain is in the pocket of Big Oil” into “McCain is in the pocket of Big Georgia”.
Paul-Cincy on August 10, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I’m admittedly a pro-McCain partisan but Obama handled this extremely poorly. His (or whoever wrote it) initial comment was just absurdly wishy-washy. After all, this wasn’t just about Georgia; this conflict is being closely watched by all of those independent republics surrounding Russia.
And then to go after McCain’s adviser for having worked for the pro-US democratic Georgia was even worse.
SteveMG on August 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Obama probably now wants to ad logistical support from Florida,Alabama, and South Carolina to help the the Georgians… LOLOLO!!!
AnthonyK on August 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Should we start calling Bobby J… MR. VICE PRESIDENT?
I hate to say I TOLD YOU SO, when I’ve mentioned him more often that TPAW.
We need a man like him in the West Wing. Mr. Jindal, your NATION needs YOU. Will you help us move to the future in strength, with muscle rather than waffles?
originalpechanga on August 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Jindal was like a machine gun on answers… he didn’t even have to think, he just nailed it on target… I watch the interview this morning and he was stupendous… although his answer on unamerican questions lacked real good answers… he should have said “McCain is simply saying he would rather have American support than German…” however overall he did a great job.
Kaptain Amerika on August 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Obama’s response does, however, explain his statement as to what period in American history he thought we were “as good as we should be”.
Apparently, it would be the period when Soviet expansionism and imperialism went almost out of control, and we had a President who instead of making effective plans to stop it, was busy telling us that there was a “new order in the world” and that we must adapt to it. In between telling us we had a “national malaise”, encouraging us to wear sweaters, and complaining about nasty rabbits.
In other words, Jimmy Carter’s disastrous four years from 1976 to 1980. This is just more proof that Obama is obsessed with being “Carter II”- with all that that implies.
By my calculations, based on the after effects of Carter’s lack of performance, if Obama serves from 2008 to 2012 and is then rejected as completely as Carter was in 1980- we will still be dealing with the aftermath of his delusions and lack of judgment, and the long-term damage he will do until at least 2035.
If we’re lucky, that is.
clear ether
eon
eon on August 10, 2008 at 1:51 PM
In Obama’s world, there’s one good side – the Democrat Party.
And there’s one bad side – the Republican Party.
Everyone else? Just friends he hasn’t met.
Do we really want a President who believes that the only enemies this country faces, are people who don’t agree with his political party?
NoDonkey on August 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Both the McCain response and the Jindal comments are totally valid and highlight Obama’s (and his advisors) total lack of both experience and world knowledge. If Obama keeps highlighting his obvious shortcomings he may not even come out of the democratic convention with the nomination.
duff65 on August 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM
McCain nailed it instantly with a good policy, based on knowledge.
Obama looked for cheap political points and talking points, because that is all he knows and nobody on his team had anything better to offer.
Right_of_Attila on August 10, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Obama’s initial response to the crisis in Georgia never mentioned Russia, only Georgia and the USA as “all those” who need to stand down. Herein note Obama’s antipathy not only for the USA, but for Georgia, as if he assumes the Eastern European nation, former USSR satellite, to be the parallel universe of our own Southern state, one of those that bring the number to “57 US states”. Weltkaiser Obama proved his innate desire to placate his Mother Russia gone Fascist with Putin’s amalgamation of that nation’s military and Orthodox Church. WEIRD OBAMA.
maverick muse on August 10, 2008 at 2:02 PM
But Obama urged “restraint on both sides”. Isn’t that the kind of Hope nad Change we can believe in? – real leadership in a post-national world!
eeyore on August 10, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Jindal is a very brilliant protagonist.
maverick muse on August 10, 2008 at 2:04 PM
I watched Trapper’ entire interview with Jindal this morning. Jake Trapper tried to play the gotch game throughout all of his prosecutorial grilling of Jindal. Trapper was so obviously in the tank for Obama all that was missing was an Obama 2008 bumper sticker on his forehead.
The best part about the interview?
Jindal gave him a smackdown of epic proportions. It was a wonderful thing to watch. Color me a Jindal fan.
fogw on August 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM
BO has adopted the Rodney King theory of international policy…”Why can’t we all just get along?”
HawaiiLwyr on August 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM
In the real world in ordinary times, this election would not be happening. There is no way Mr. Empty Rhetoric No Experience Friend of Ayers Twenty Year Racist Hate Cult Member would even considered against someone with McCain’s resume.
Nosferightu on August 10, 2008 at 2:11 PM
I would have to disagree with that virulently. Jack Tapper has done a magnificent job of dogging BOTH sides, reporting even the Chosen One’s missteps and contradictions, and good on him.
tree hugging sister on August 10, 2008 at 2:17 PM
You couldn’t have watched the interview. I bet you think Brokaw, Williams and Kouric are fair too.
Get a clue. ABC is in the tank for Obama, just like CBS and NBC.
fogw on August 10, 2008 at 2:39 PM
LOL… yep, its kinds like the old joke about the Unarmed British Cop….
“Stop… or… I’ll yell stop again!!”
Romeo13 on August 10, 2008 at 2:45 PM
I don’t think you know Trapper all that well. I don’t know his personal political ideology but he seems to be one of the more even handed journalist out there today. His Political Punch blog is one of the better ones out there.
lowandslow on August 10, 2008 at 2:46 PM
I don’t think you watched the interview. Why don’t you get a transcript and then report back to us?
fogw on August 10, 2008 at 2:55 PM
“Fear not, for I bring you good tidings of great joy…” isn’t that the voice of god somewhere in the Bible? That’s the same thing Obama is telling us.
SouthernGent on August 10, 2008 at 2:58 PM
Tapper. My bad.
fogw on August 10, 2008 at 2:58 PM
Obama has tried without success to get the US to surrender. Now, I guess, he will try to get all of our allies to surrender. At least he’ll let them know they’ll get about as much support from him as they could have expected from Carter or Clinton.
snaggletoothie on August 10, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Obama’s ill-advised attempt to politicize this crisis and his weak cheap shot about the adviser is very telling.
He is obviously more interested in trying to score political points than in attempting to add anything constructive to the situation.
This is the most self-serving and the least beneficial response he could have possibly delivered.
Presidential my ass.
hillbillyjim on August 10, 2008 at 3:02 PM
If Obama keeps this inept behavior coming, even the Obamacolytes are going to start to see through the facade and realize that there is nothing of substance behind the “soaring” rhetoric.
hillbillyjim on August 10, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Obama wants both sides to show restraint.
Okay, so while a woman is being raped Obama would remind her to show restraint.
What a dufus.
Mojave Mark on August 10, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Jindal isn’t simply brilliant in many ways he’s Reaganesque. A fine combination of sharp mind and easygoing determination best experienced by meeting him in person. I hope more here may soon share that opportunity.
The guy is the real deal though Louisiana needs his skills more right now repairing and wrangling the Blank-o / Nagin / Landrieu / Edwards / Wm. Jefferson damage from both before and after Katrina.
viking01 on August 10, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Michelle has just had a first-hand view of what a “mean” country looks and acts like. Russia isn’t good for her children.
Seriously, anyone who knows much about Russian history doesn’t even have to read beyond the headlines to know how serious and dangerous this situation is. Beyond the economics of gas and oil in the region, Russia is an imperialist country that has lost its empire more than once, and wants to take back yet again. Their view of self-defense is to conquer and occupy neighboring countries as a buffer zone.
Unfortunately, Russian history never has been widely taught, or known, in most of the West. The moment that Bush told us he’d looked into Putin’s soul, I knew we would be in for some hard times.
There is very little that “soft power” diplomacy can accomplish in this situation, even if the West were to become unusually resolute and unified. There will have to be some hard power to back up anything we try to salvage out of this situation. And that’s exactly the kind of diplomacy that Obama deplores.
NeighborhoodCatLady on August 10, 2008 at 3:25 PM
On the contrary, Obama is selling a bushel of things besides fear — inexperience, incompetence, timidity ….
About the only thing worth dropping a dime for is to watch his bus driving.
Dusty on August 10, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Well I just watched the complete interviews Trapper did with both Jindal and Richardson and come to the conclusion, besides Richardson’s a moron, you don’t know what the you’re hell talking about. There was nothing wrong with Trappers questions or the way he conducted the interviews.
lowandslow on August 10, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Your opinion, not mine. We’ll have to disagree then.
fogw on August 10, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Jindal’s good, real good. Taper ain’t bad either for one of “them”.
LtE126 on August 10, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Entelechy on August 10, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Wrong. “just meat to labor for and to provide wealth to the leadership of his socialist party ” (guess who he expects to be in the top rank of that leadership?)
allrsn on August 10, 2008 at 4:00 PM
lowandslow, here’s an example of how Tapper tried to set up Jindal. And I’m paraphrasing here, as best I can remember the back-and forth. Tapper said McCain had countered Obama’s ad attacking him on favoring big oil, by reminding Obama that he (Obama) had voted in favor of a bill that gave incentives to big companies (not just oil), while McCain voted against it. (Proving once again Obama has a knack of stepping in it.)
Tapper asked Jindal about his vote on the same bill, expecting his gotcha question would make Jindal look silly. Tapper reminded Jindal about his vote, where he voted the same as Obama, in favor of the bill. He was accusing him of being a hyopocrite, siding with McCain yet voting the same as Obama. Jindal didn’t hesitate in his answer, saying he was a congressman at the time representing his state of Lousianna, and the bill provided sorely needed funding to shore up the coastline and pay for ongoing restoration costs left in the wake of Katrina. He did his job, he voted for the best interests of his constituents and his state. Tapper turned out looking like the fool.
Yeh, that’s a fair question. Too bad the idiot Tapper didn’t do his homework.
fogw on August 10, 2008 at 4:09 PM
I agree, but timing is everything. After he’s had a chance to clean up Louisiana, a herculean feat (think Aegean stables), and has a bit more experience under his belt, he will be formidable.
Jindle 2012!! (top of the ticket, not VP)
iurockhead on August 10, 2008 at 4:10 PM
What’s McCain really gonna do about the war in Georgia?
What would he do if he were President?
Nada…and everyone knows it.
Hollow words define the right these days…how sad.
And Jindal looks even more like a cracker.
alphie on August 10, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Look, alphie just puked out some mindless drivel again.
fogw on August 10, 2008 at 4:34 PM
You do realize that Georgia killed far more civilians than Russia did, right? Georgia started this whole conflagration by attacking South Ossetia. It’s simply absurd that you omit these essential facts when discussing this crisis.
AJB on August 10, 2008 at 4:36 PM
“You do realize that Georgia killed far more civilians than Russia did, right?”
You mean the “militia” (aka Russian troops) that were attacking Georgia, in Georgia?
I see how this will evolve – once again, the left and the media will swallow terrorist/communist/fascist propaganda hook line and sinker.
The only thing more predictable than totalitarian thuggery in the east is the western left bending over for it, cheeks spread. Unbelievable.
NoDonkey on August 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Perhaps you could tell us what, exactly, President McCain would do, fogw?
Declare war on Russia, maybe?
Too funny.
Or repeat some flatulence from his lobbyist/cronies?
Bingo!
alphie on August 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM
What both major party Presidential candidates need is a good enema.
America would be a lot better off if there were less
briberslobbyists. Maybe Jindal can do an exorcism.MB4 on August 10, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Like I said, mindless drivel.
fogw on August 10, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Alphie exposed for the bigoted pretender that he is.
hillbillyjim on August 10, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Crackers are good, especially when served on cousin Daisy Mae’s belly.
MB4 on August 10, 2008 at 5:00 PM
And MB4 exposed for the non-serious attention whore that is he.
hillbillyjim on August 10, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Alphie… I don’t know how to characterize your trollish “cracker” comment except that it was… trollish.
What McCain would do is draw a line in the sand and then take the necessary steps to convince Russia that he is willing and able to back it up. Russia doesn’t respond to weakness. Threatening to yell at them won’t deter them. It just tells them all they need to know about your resolve.
Think back to 1980 when Reagan got elected (if you’re old enough). We’d been dealing with news broadcasts for over a year incrementing the number of days that Iran had held American citizens hostage in Tehran. Carter’s attempts to “talk” them out of it fell upon deaf ears. Reagan didn’t just talk tough… he convinced the Iranians that if they didn’t release the hostages by the time Reagan took office, there would be hell to pay, and the bill would be due immediately. They believed him because he meant it.
McCain may be Bush lite on domestic issues, but he’s Bush heavy on international relations, and the Russians know that he’ll play hard ball. Hard ball is what they play, and they understand it. They also understand that the only ace in their hand is their nuclear aresenal, as spotty and unreliable as that is, and that is a card they can only hold, but never play.
Russia couldn’t sustain two years of heavy combat in a conventional war against the west. What you’ve seen from the United States in our ability to execute an anti-insurgency is impressive, but it is weak compared to the ferocity of conventional warfare capabilities that we possess. Nobody knows better than Russia just how unreliable their technology and armed forces would be in a struggle against a professional army with technological superiority. They are not anxious to pick a fight that they will loose, but they smell weakness in an outgoing president with a Carteresque heir-apparent.
We cannot admonish Russia into behaving. That isn’t the game they play.
Immolate on August 10, 2008 at 5:21 PM
All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts.
- Shakespeare
Besides some folks here in internet land are taking this election way too seriously like the very survival of the earth is at stake.
MB4 on August 10, 2008 at 5:21 PM
The survival of the earth may not be at stake, but the future of our way of life may very well be. Do you think that our choice in November will NOT affect the course of events??
hillbillyjim on August 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Yes, of course. One way we will be screwed and the other way we will be scroomed, choose your poison, but we will survive, we always have. I don’t want half the posters on HA to have to be put on suicide watch if Obama wins.
MB4 on August 10, 2008 at 6:01 PM
But South Ossetia is within the internationally-recognized borders of Georgia. According to international law, it is therefore “attacking” itself. The Russian troops, however, have invaded a sovereign neighbor.
Pot, meet kettle.
The Monster on August 10, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Now there you go making sense again. Honestly, I can’t keep up. Stop that!!
hillbillyjim on August 10, 2008 at 6:23 PM
I get that way every once in a while, but it doesn’t normally last long.
MB4 on August 10, 2008 at 6:28 PM
DEBKAfile’s military analysts: By flouting US demands to accept mediation, Moscow highlights America’s lack of leverage for helping its embattled Georgian ally. The Bush administration has trapped itself in its foreign policy commitment to dialogue and international diplomacy for solving world disputes but is short of willing opposite numbers.
Russia is following Iran’s example in exploiting Washington’s inhibition to advance its goals by force. Therefore, the Caucasian standoff has profound ramifications for the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Moscow’s disdain for Washington’s lack of muscle will further encourage Tehran and its terrorist proxies to defy the international community and the United States in particular.
DEBKAfile’s military analysts reported Saturday: Tiny Georgia with an army of less than 18,000, having been roundly defeated in South Ossetia, cannot hope to withstand the mighty Russian army in Abkhazia.Therefore, President Saakashvili, who had bid to join NATO, must consider both breakaway regions lost to Georgia and gained by Russia.
This is Moscow’s payback for the US-NATO success in detaching Kosovo from Serbia and approving its independence. It is also a warning to Ukraine, the Caucasus and Central Asia against joining up with the United States and the NATO bloc in areas which Moscow deems part of its strategic sphere of influence
After seizing South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgia, four follow-up Russian steps may be postulated:
1. The two separatist provinces will proclaim their independence, just like Kosovo.
2. Russia will continue to exercise its overwhelming military and air might to force the pro-American Saakashvili’s capitulation.
3. The Georgian president will not survive in office long after losing two regions of his country and national humiliation. Moscow aims to make Washington swallow a pro-Russian successor.
4. Moscow’s trampling of Georgia will serve as an object lesson for Russia’s own secessionist provinces such as Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushettia not to risk defying Russian armed might.
MB4 on August 10, 2008 at 6:29 PM
The release of the private e-mails from Mark Penn and others in the Clinton camp demonstrate why Obama is unfit to lead this country. As they are made public as of today, it will be easily understood that after voters began to know who he is, Hillary kicked his butt. His naive response to Russia’s invasion of Georgia just reinforces what the e-mails dictate.
volsense on August 10, 2008 at 6:42 PM
Immolate,
Russia and their Chinese masters have the power to bankrupt America overnight if they want to.
McCain drawing “a line in the sand” is laughable.
We have no power to counter China/Russia/Iran/Pakistan in Asia.
And everybody knows it.
Even Bush.
alphie on August 10, 2008 at 6:51 PM
What’s it all about alphie?
We have the power, the question is how to use it.
Mojave Mark on August 10, 2008 at 7:05 PM
The way it looks now anyway, that question has been rendered moot as the preceding question of whether to use it at all seems to have already been answered in the negative.
MB4 on August 10, 2008 at 7:10 PM
Let’s not forget a few thousand goatherders have fought us to a standstill for almost seven years in Asia.
We have no stomach for a real war there.
alphie on August 10, 2008 at 7:20 PM
Racist fairy much, ALF?
Jaibones on August 10, 2008 at 7:27 PM
It’s so easy to discredit you, fu*khead; I just have to quote you.
Jaibones on August 10, 2008 at 7:29 PM
Fo shizzle… Bobby.
Claypigeon on August 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM
I hate to feed trolls, but I must…………. Alphie, your school yard understanding of international affairs is astonishing. I don’t know how our country has survived this long without your insight and intellect. You must apply for a cabinet position if Obama wins………. and don’t forget “No War for Oil”! I am sure you can negotiate with the Russians, just threaten a “Code Pink” demonstration………. by the way, when were you ever “we”?
Seven Percent Solution on August 10, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Someone may have said this already on this thread, but you can see where Jindal is about three times as intelligent as Tapper ( which makes Tapper relatively smart for a Reporter Dude )
You all need to stop feeding MB4–he sounds drunk again, or off his meds, or both
Janos Hunyadi on August 10, 2008 at 8:19 PM
You know the Clintons are hammering the delegates over the head with this.
thekingtut on August 10, 2008 at 8:26 PM
I love me some Bobby J! He’ coming to talk in WA in Sept 11 and I cannot wait. If he is a cracker…I wouldn’t mind being the cheese. He makes a conservative girl proud!
ihasurnominashun on August 10, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Why does anyone answer alphie?
He is a kos troll, pure and simple. He/She ads nothing to the conversation here.
Better to ignore the racist.
ArmyAunt on August 10, 2008 at 8:34 PM
I just “sounds drunk again” or “off my meds” to your dull perception.
MB4 on August 10, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Because it’s in their nature.
MB4 on August 10, 2008 at 8:41 PM
This rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane [or drunk or "off their meds (updated)].
- Mark Twain
MB4 on August 10, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Great stuff from powerlineblog.com:
August 9, 2008
“Meaningless Statements”
McCain has strongly and unequivocally come out in support of our ally Georgia, while placing the onus for the war squarely where it belongs, on Russia. In this, he has aligned himself with our most loyal European allies. Obama, on the other hand, issued the sort of vapid statement that would ingratiate him with the State Department while not requiring any distraction from his Hawaii vacation. An interesting point, by the way: McCain is supposed to be the old guy, but Obama is the one who needs a vacation.
Here is the latest from the McCain campaign:
And powerlineblog had a cartoon all about alphie.
funky chicken on August 10, 2008 at 8:56 PM
I’m sure Mrs. Jindal would have something to say about that…
funky chicken on August 10, 2008 at 8:58 PM
In the face of President George W. Bush’s demand for an immediate withdrawal of Russian troops and support for international mediation [and apparently also in the face of John McCain’s rhetoric), Moscow poured an additional 10,000 men and armor into South Ossetia Sunday as well – and Russian jets bombed a military airfield outside the Georgian capital of Tbilisi.
- DEBKA
MB4 on August 10, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Yeah Ed, the “defense of lobbyists” argument is really going to carry the day come November.
This part is just heartwarming. Brings a tear to my eye.
In fact, I’m going to quote it again because it’s so awesome:
What a mistake by Obama! Might as well cancel the election, this one is over.
You forgot Poland!
e-pirate on August 10, 2008 at 9:13 PM
………………. indeed.
Seven Percent Solution on August 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
The Five Stooges
If you thought Republicans were no longer “The Stupid Party,” then you haven’t met the senators who may have just destroyed the GOP’s biggest hope this election year: the drilling issue.
MB4 on August 10, 2008 at 9:41 PM
So a 36 year old recently elected governor, with little national experience, figuratively kicks the butt of a 47 year old presidential candidate with little national experience. Maybe the wrong inexperienced guy is running for presdent.
amr on August 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
The
FiveOne-Hundred Stoogesfogw on August 10, 2008 at 9:52 PM
alphie, the resident HotAir nitwit, has a blog, apparently. 7 posts, 6 comments, 4 of which are from people who want alphie dead, and 1 which is an attempt to sell her an exciting internet business!
Perfect summary for the political stylings of alphie, douchebag.
Jaibones on August 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM
…and a sharp proponent of good foreign policy as Veep: Jindal.
jgapinoy on August 10, 2008 at 11:05 PM
You’re perfectly sane, MB4; you’re a perfectly sane but totally annoying, juvenile, silly, girlish “attention whore” as someone else noted, always intent on ruining threads and making them primarily about YOU
Janos Hunyadi on August 10, 2008 at 11:25 PM
By the way, has anyone written about, or checked out, Obama’s work for, and ties to this Radical Organization in Chicago: http://www.gamaliel.org/default.htm
I got on to this, from a single sentence in his Bio at the Wiki: Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.[
What caught my attention, was the fact there was no hyperlink nder “Gamaliel Foundation”; normally, the Wiki hyperlinks EVERYTHING; even dates, and other things that need no hyperlink. I noticed that, and my first thought, was well, maybe it doesn’t exist anymore. Then, to be sure, I got curious and Googled it; guess what, it DOES exist, and it’s obvious why Obama doesn’t want anyone to check it out:
Read their Platfrom: http://www.gamaliel.org/Platform.htm
Check out their stance on “Immigration Reform”.
Read their “History”, and the very FIRST person they mention? Good old Saul Alinsky: http://www.gamaliel.org/Foundation/history.htm
Interesting stuff; Obama only ever mentions he was a “community organizer”; why no mention of the “Gamaliel Foundation”??
Also, it appears he went to work for the “Gamaliel Foundation”, about the same time he “discovered” the “Reverent” Jeremiah Wright; no coincidence, I guess??
Also, Google “Obama” & “Gamaliel”, and read some interesting stuff…
The guy really gets scarier, the more I research his background…
Dale in Atlanta on August 10, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Buck up and stop being so whiny. You sound like an old school marm. I think that you may be in a mental recession.
MB4 on August 11, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Too many of Barry’s statements end up being the wrong thing that he has to retract and explain later. This works as a dufus Senator, but as President, what he says will be difficult to take back. The thought of this guy as our President makes me sick. McCain for 2008 and Jindal after that. No Barry.
UnEasyRider on August 11, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Remember the Boy Scout’s motto, “Be prepared”?
Prudence would seem to require that you have plenty of anti-nausea pills on hand for election night.
RCP
MB4 on August 11, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Not to fear: Obama and his team will have their governing philosophy all ready for American voters on Sept. 9. Entitled “Fourteen Bucks Down the Drain” … excuse me … “Change We Can Believe In: Barack Obama’s Plan to Renew America’s Promise,” the paperback will, according to the Associated Press:
No hubris here, or any media gushing by the AP, over one speech that got thrown under the bus a month after it was given and another which so inspired Americans they almost immediately wiped out Obama’s seven-point lead over John McCain. Yep, this will go a long way towards dispelling the belief Obama and his supporters are way too enamored with their candidate and themselves.
jon1979 on August 11, 2008 at 1:01 AM
Welp,
Looks like it’s all over and the pretty, empty words of the tough guy right did FA for Georgia.
Mission Accomplished.
alphie on August 11, 2008 at 1:48 AM
Ah, but never forget the silent majority. We, who do not take surveys, don’t make any political comments in the break rooms and at parties. Those who know who is qualified to be POTUS, and will vote him into office in November.
gzelmiami on August 11, 2008 at 2:49 AM
Ah but you see there is a fatal flaw in your logic as if that were right both parties would have a different nominee.
MB4 on August 11, 2008 at 3:05 AM
Well, I certainly want OCarter to be making important decisions about my countries security. WHat could possibly go wrong?
BKennedy on August 11, 2008 at 5:23 AM
Great post, Immolate. I’d like to add onto your thoughts:
Some have postulated that the Left desires a state of fear over its peoples (regardless of country) so that it justifies the heavy hand of government intervention into people’s lives, and the tax dollars that come along with such intervention. In short, the Left is heavily vested into any situation that makes people dependent on their governments for “help” or “protection”. If true, this position would explain why the Left typically suffers despotic regimes (and the horrors that such regimes inflict upon their own citizens) while carrying the false white flag of “peace”. It eschews war because the result of war might be the destruction of the regimes that provide the pretext of fear which allows them to operate.
Never more is such hypocrisy obvious than in the actions of the so-called “peace” and “equality” groups which bleat long and loud about the supposed excesses of free countries, yet never do so much as lift a finger for the truly oppressed.
The “peace” groups claim that they want to abolish war. Where are those groups now for Georgia, when Georgia needs someone to take up its cause against the Russian Bear?
CODEPINK and its splinter organisations claim to want to work for peace, yet where is the outcry of such groups when women in Iran are strung up for defending themselves against rape, or when children in Cuba are forced to sell their bodies to Western tourists as the only way to support themselves?
And don’t even get me started on “Gays for Palestine”. Sheesh.
That being said, it is the very influence of such groups on American politics that gives the Russians confort for leaning on their nuclear deterrent, regardless of the likelihood that only 1 in 10 missiles actually work. IMHO, the reason why the US withstood the Soviet threat through the Cold War was not because of its actions during the Cuban Missile Crisis, but rather, because of test operation Frigate Bird on May 6, 1962. To date, Frigate Bird is the only end-to-end live fire test of a missile carrying a nuclear warhead; and a successful one at that. The Pentagon under Kennedy demonstrated to the Soviets that the US nuclear deterrent was real, operational, and deployed, by testing at a range which proved that most of Soviet Russia was now under the US nuclear umbrella.
But where is that will to fight now?
Clinton took up where Carter left off (remember the “hollow force” of the late 1970’s?) and gutted the regular Army from 18 divisions down to 10; additionally, he kept the military on a high ops tempo (all of his various “peacekeeping” misadventures) while starving it for cash (maintenance of military equipment through the Clinton era was more often than not a function of cannibalizing existing equipment rather than procuring required spares). Bush 43 missed a huge opportunity in his first term by not enlarging the standing army early in the GWoT, and by not authorizing basic weaponry required to support large-scale conflicts. The Russians are very much aware of this manpower and materiel deficiency. Once upon a time, DoD planners prepared logistically to fight two Soviet size conventional conflicts simultaneously; however, I think we would be hard pressed to fight just one at the moment.
Add to this concern regarding men and materiel the fact that WWII was won in no small part by the fact that the US could literally replace large-scale equipment faster than its enemies could destroy it (remember at the height of WWII, we were launching a Liberty ship every day). Now, much of the manufacturing base in the US has been lost to other countries, increasingly China. Taiwan, a significant supplier of computer chips and circuit boards, lives under perpetual threat of Chinese invasion. If the UN gets its way in regards to imposing carbon taxes on the developed world, 20 years from now it is possible that we will have reached a point of no return in terms of the consequences of losing manufacturing capabilities to the Far East, and China will be in a position to manufacture war materiel the way we once did, so long ago. The implications of this sea change in manufacturing alone should be cause for concern.
So yes, when it comes to sheer ability to project force, and do so accurately and with great effect, there is no military on Earth capable of standing against the US in conventional combat. In an article for AP back in April 2003, Vladimir Isachenkov wrote the following:
But having superior forces and weaponry is not enough if, like Gulliver in Lilliput, our military is tied down by our politicians’ collective fear of actually using it. Both the Russians and Chinese have been researching asymetric warfare for several years now, as a counterbalance to American military skill; also, I believe we have failed to learn from one of Hitler’s biggest mistakes in the latter part of WWII: increasing dependence on “wonder weapons” that in and of themselves far outperformed their Allied counterparts, but were so few by comparison that their advantage was rendered moot by sheer dint of numbers.
And that is the box which Obama and his friends on the Left would lock us into: a hollow force that is so incapable of having either the will or the means to fight a long-term battle that they can push their agenda of “aggressive diplomacy” (whatever that means) so long as they can sell to the masses that living with the threat in some kind of uneasy coexistence justifies bigger government and an ever-increasingly sluggish economy.
So no, the Russians won’t play our game of talk. But the Left will play it anyway. I leave you with another lesson from history:
In other words, he was hoping to hit the US at Hawaii hard and fast, and then play to the Left’s desire to avoid further conflict at all costs.
Pearl Harbor became the rallying cry that roused the US to fight, in 1941. 9-11 should have done the same, in 2001.
But thanks to the efforts of the Left, that cry died in our throats.
Immolate, do you really think we have the will to resist the Russians, given our ever-increasing lack of desire to resist the group that waged war on American soil that day in September 2001?
Short of a major, sustained military engagement by an aggressor waged in CONUS, I don’t.
Wanderlust on August 11, 2008 at 7:44 AM
Who actually thinks Obama is actually qualified for any important job doing anything? He’s a community organizer, Obama should stick to what he knows.
tarpon on August 11, 2008 at 7:52 AM
How will Obama soon explain his position(s) on Georgia? “This isn’t the Georgia that I once knew.”
electric-rascal on August 11, 2008 at 8:43 AM
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