No-knock raid victimizes mayor, kills dogs
posted at 12:55 pm on August 8, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Another no-knock raid on a residence has wound up backfiring on police, and this one won’t go away quietly. A Maryland mayor wants a federal investigation after police burst into his home unannounced and shot and killed both of his dogs after what looks like a drug-bust setup gone very, very wrong:
Prince George’s County authorities did not have a “no-knock” warrant when they burst into the home of a mayor July 29, shooting and killing his two dogs — contrary to what police said after the incident.
Judges in Maryland can grant police the right to enter a building and serve a search warrant without knocking if the judge finds there is reasonable suspicion to think evidence might be destroyed or the officers’ safety might be endangered in announcing themselves.
A Prince George’s police spokesman said last week that a Sheriff’s Office SWAT team and county police narcotics officers were operating under such a warrant when they broke down the door of Berwyn Heights Mayor Cheye Calvo, shooting and killing his black Labrador retrievers.
But a review of the warrant indicates that police neither sought nor received permission from Circuit Court Judge Albert W. Northrup to enter without knocking. Northrup found probable cause to suspect that drugs might be in the house and granted police a standard search warrant.
And to listen to Calvo’s version of the story, the probable cause for the normal warrant seems very suspect. Calvo came home after walking his dogs to find a package on his stoop addressed to his wife. He picked it up and left it on the table — and that’s when all hell broke loose in Prince County.
Who left that package on the porch? Police now think it may have been left as a dead-drop for another courier in the drug trade, but that doesn’t make much sense. If it was addressed to the occupant, it would have been opened before a dead-drop retrieval could be made. Presumably, that’s why the police raided the Calvo house.
However, why did this require a no-knock raid? Did someone think the mayor would have guns at the ready to use against police? If so, why not detain him at the door when he returned; why wait for him to go inside where he could get his alleged weapons? And why, for Pete’s sake, did a SWAT team have to handle a marijuana bust?
Calvo wants answers, and as mayor, he’s in a position to get them. The entire nation should be wondering about the judgment used in performing no-knock raids all across the US for marijuana busts, which killed a woman in Atlanta earlier this year and the mayor’s two dogs this time. No-knock raids should be rare and limited to cases where an extreme danger exists for the police in capturing dangerous suspects. Otherwise, the Fourth Amendment is meaningless. (via TMV)
Update: See-Dubya says in the comments that no-knocks are necessary in certain cases to keep people from destroying evidence. That is exactly why I say these make the Fourth Amendment meaningless. Any time the police need to conduct a search, the possibility exists that people will try to get rid of the evidence first. If police use that excuse, it creates a lot more opportunities for no-knock raids — along with opportunities for fatal mistakes.
The difference in time between raiding a house and knocking on the door and presenting a search warrant is minutes at best. The police could turn the water off to the house to keep the residents from flushing toilets more than once and accomplish the same thing without a violent, unannounced entry into a house. Only when a clear and present danger to the safety of the officers exists should they be allowed to smash their way into a residence or business without identifying themselves.
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This kind of stuff is a much bigger erosion of my civil liberties than warrantless wiretapping of overseas phone calls to known terrorists or their associates.
rockmom on August 8, 2008 at 4:50 PM
The whole “They didn’t know it was the mayor” thing doesn’t hold up. They orchestrate a drug raid by county police that involves heavy weapons and a SWAT Team…and no one check’s the guy’s information?
amerpundit on August 8, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Really is bizarre, isn’t it.
When the cops pull you over, they can see if there are any outstanding warrants, because your license place connects to your name and address. I can imagine if they ran the house address in their computer … “Hmm, lets see. No arrests or outstandings, not even a parking ticket. – Whoa! Says here that his employer is the city. Just like us. We’d better look into this, hold off one second.”
wise_man on August 8, 2008 at 5:00 PM
I once heard a story from a history teacher where two police officers were committing a break-in and entry (serving a warrant) on a potential drug maker. Unfortunately, they had the wrong house. The house they did get was a law-abiding gun owner. The owner of the house was killed during the raid.
In a no-knock warrant break-in, citizens should have the right to defend their property via the castle doctrine. Sometimes the only difference between a cop and a criminal is a shiny piece of metal.
AbaddonsReign on August 8, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Actually, let’s pretend that they don’t, since that’s usually the case with pot dealers.
Yes, pot is a drug, but it’s on a completely different level than any other drug.
For one, it’s cheaper than alcohol, thus no real need to have guns to protect yourself during a drug trade, and two, stoners are mellow people who are very unlikely to become violent.
Pot has never killed anyone, despite the claims in “Reefer Madness.”
That’s really no excuse.
I have a question. What in the world did they gain by delivering the package? The Mayor took it in, but that’s normal human behavior to seeing a package, specifically one that doesn’t have your name on it, on your door step.
They have no more evidence after dropping it off than they did before.
This was a stupid thing from the beginning.
Esthier on August 8, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Hey, that’s not far off from G. Gordon Liddy tellin’ folk to aim for the Federal Agent’s head, so as not to be stopped by his body-armor. You’re cool.
Frozen Tex on August 8, 2008 at 5:31 PM
But don’t we pretty much say the same thing when it comes to innocents killed in Iraq? It’s not that we don’t care about them, (at least it’s not that way for me) but we understand that these things will happen.
Maybe it’s different for you because you don’t think the war on drugs is one worth fighting, but one man’s just cause is another’s illegal war.
Actually, Prohibition (the original), did work. We as a nation had a serious alcohol problem, and though people still drank during that time, alcohol consumption dropped drastically. While alcohol consumption rose after Prohibition ended, we’re still not as bad off as we used to be.
The one main thing we have proven from Prohibition though is that if we ever legalize drugs, we’ll never be able to go back again.
Look, I’d agree with you that potheads tend to be underproductive, but you’re completely naive if you think pot smokers didn’t graduate with you. In fact, you’d be surprised how many pot smokers are here in this thread with degrees.
Esthier on August 8, 2008 at 5:40 PM
I keep a .45 in the nightstand beside the bed, don’t worry for the kiddies, there are none, and if I hear my door being broken down, that will be the fist think I pick up. I will then move toward the door, and I will shoot at something threatening to protect myself in the same manner the police officer who just, mistakenly, broke down my door would. How would my actions be anymore militant, which appears to be what you’re implying, than the police officer’s?
DFCtomm on August 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM
PG county has had it’s police force investigated by (among others) the FBI. Not once, but repeatedly over the last three decades. This appears to be a systemic type of problem. Perhaps it’s just the PG police culture. There is not this type of problem in nearby Fairfax County, VA, where I live,
NaCly dog on August 8, 2008 at 5:54 PM
This story REALLY reeks.
The Baltimore article I read this morning (Drudge linked) stated that in Arizona, a USPS dog sniffed the drugs, and from there, federal agents notified the Maryland police who coordinated the strike. The package was delivered to the Mayor’s door by a police officer. It was a sting operation. Either this Mayor who establishes SEED charter schools professionally has a wife “in” on drug distribution, or the Patriot Act really needs some heavy pruning!
maverick muse on August 8, 2008 at 5:54 PM
The difference is that Iraqies are entitled to the freedoms guaranteed under their constitution if they can defend them, and not ours. We will accept no collateral damage to our rights just so criminals can be brought to justice, because if we do then the list of criminal acts and the violent methods used to apprehend them is sure to grow.
DFCtomm on August 8, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Hmm.
Maybe homeowners should sleep with kevlar pajamas.
wise_man on August 8, 2008 at 5:57 PM
@ DFCtomm on August 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Exactly. If I am at home working or sleeping, and I hear a smash at the door, first thing I am grabbing is my AK with a 75 round drum. Anything ascending the stairs is going to become cannon fodder. If the police feel like not announcing their presence and breaking into peoples homes is ok, they can deal with the consequences when their officers get shot.
muyoso on August 8, 2008 at 6:02 PM
This is key! PG County Police should be sued out of existence. The Sheriff should resign and Civil Damages awarded to the Mayor for his wrongful accusation.
PG Police have done this before. What is the point of the Bill of Rights if PG Police do not respect it.
Busting into a home should be reserved for the most serious felons and when no other alternative is available to apprehend fugitives; not for mistaken drug deliveries.
I hope the entire PG Police force is held to the fire; this idea of bust-in justice goes against our Constitution and is time to remind local law enforcement of this fact.
IntheNet on August 8, 2008 at 6:02 PM
I wasn’t talking about losing rights. Wasn’t that quote about collateral damage talking about people?
Esthier on August 8, 2008 at 6:05 PM
I don’t mean that anyone has ever actually died of smoking pot. That’s stupid. The drug trade results in countless deaths, and marijuana is part of that, even if it is a harmless drug in itself. Remember that tunnel they busted with tons (literally) of marijuana in it? Where do you think those millions of dollars were going? To some happy guy just wanting to deal cause the laws are bogus? No, the money that yuppies dish out so they can get high often times goes to real criminals who deal in heavier drugs that have a higher cost of life. If you’re going to buy drugs, at least know who you’re getting them from, and know that your money isn’t going to support some violent Columbian who kills people for wandering onto his cocaine farm. The drug trade is extremely violent, and as innocent as you might think you are for just doing pot, you are culpable in the violence, as far as I’m concerned, unless you know who you buy from.
jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 6:07 PM
What I have read of the early patriots gives me the idea that they fully expected the government to not respect our rights, and for us to face the need to periodically reassert them.
DFCtomm on August 8, 2008 at 6:10 PM
I’m not interested in airing my personal habits any more than I already have, but it’s really an easy plant to grow; it’s called weed for a reason.
And even with your clarification I stand by my statement. No one kills over pot. It’s just too cheap to be worth it.
Esthier on August 8, 2008 at 6:11 PM
And your math skills aside, the 32 lbs. probably wouldn’t even sell for over 200k.
Esthier on August 8, 2008 at 6:14 PM
You’re completely missing my point. Do you honestly believe that if someone is trafficking something across the mexican border worth tens of millions of dollars, that there isn’t any chance of violence when that valuable, illegal product is changing hands. Obviously nobody is shooting some nobody dealer over $80 worth of pot, but there are people out there making millions of dollars of the stuff, and if you think they got where they are with zero violence, then you are extremely naive.
And if its such an easy plant to grow, why is it trafficked in from Mexico? Why was it, in this case, being shipped from AZ? Why didn’t the delivery guy in MD just grow it if its so easy?
I understand that there are plenty of small-time dealers who simply grow and sell without any trouble, but that does not represent 100% of the dealing market, not even close.
jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 6:15 PM
You’re right, the quote you referenced was talking about collateral damage, and I’m sorry I took you out of context.
DFCtomm on August 8, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Just keep in mind: when the one of you with your pistol/rifle starts shooting at the team of armored-and-helmeted SWAT troops armed with full-auto SMGs and/or “assault rifles” and possibly carrying level IV ballistic entry shields… how many do you expect to take with you?
I’m not denying your right to defend yourself and your home. Far from it. I’d like to see the same right here in Canada. I’m just saying, try to keep a level head here, huh? One or two guys coming to rob you in the middle of the night aren’t so likely to hammer in your door with a breaching tool, then move quickly from room to room as a group yelling “POLICE! GET DOWN!” etc., etc.
Frozen Tex on August 8, 2008 at 6:17 PM
I call shenanigans on that one; gangs in Vancouver, BC (for one example I’m familiar with) kill ov pot-growing operations fairly regularly. They kill to rob money from dealers, and they kill to control the trade. Pot grown in BC grow-ops gets traded to gangs in the US for coke.
Frozen Tex on August 8, 2008 at 6:21 PM
No, they’re certainly not likely to do that. But it would be a neat trick.
jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 6:22 PM
What I have also noticed and commented on here before, is the increasing harsher penalties and treatments average Americans are experiencing for small infractions, mistakes or misunderstandings, while politicians, law enforcement and movie stars can near get away with murder. A traffic cam will spit out a ticket the second the light turns red. A politician can hide evidence to a crime openly in his office but let a man pick up a package sitting on his doorstep and take it into his home and God help him.
JellyToast on August 8, 2008 at 6:25 PM
I’m not going to take efficiency at removing my door or the ability to yell “Police” as a substitution for proper identification, but at that point it might be dawning on me, at least, that there is some mistake, and maybe we should try to sort this out.
DFCtomm on August 8, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Frozen Tex on Augus
I believe these “cops” were all wearing civilian clothes and some were wearing masks.
JellyToast on August 8, 2008 at 6:28 PM
I don’t know if you’re hopelessly naive, woefully ill-informed, or just blinded by your own prejudices – but go back and read your posts. Really read them.
In general, you’re not substantively wrong. But you keep inserting hopeless hyperbole that ruins your argument. Here’s a tip for you: any time you hear someone start using “never” and “always” and “no one” in an argument, they’re almost certainly wrong – and arguing from emotion rather than logic.
Specifically: “Pot has never killed anyone.” That’s obviously silly. One Google search will reveal the truth. Thousands have been killed over the years from at least the indirect results of marijuana abuse. And yes, there have even been cases of acute toxicity leading to death. Anybody who’s ever used it knows you might be a little more accident prone; are you really suggesting its a swell idea to get high and go for a drive? Really?
If your point is that alcohol is on a whole other order of magnitude more dangerous – sure. Compared to any other drug, including alcohol, marijuana isn’t very dangerous. That’s a fair point. So why ruin it with empty hyperbole.
Next: “No one kills over pot.” Oh, c’mon. Did you really type that? People kill each over any profit-making enterprise – you think marijuana distribution, an illegal enterprise, is somehow immune? I’m not even going to Google it; hell, its the plot of countless bad movies. Of course drug dealers of every type kill over it. We had somebody killed over a bad marijuana deal right in my home town just the other night.
Please. Think. Then debate. People who use never and no one and always are always full of crap.
Professor Blather on August 8, 2008 at 6:32 PM
I’d still be willing to bet that at least their raid armor said “POLICE” in big letters.
That’s all I’m sayin’. Even a split-second of decision making might save lifetimes of grief.
Frozen Tex on August 8, 2008 at 6:32 PM
I’d still be willing to bet that at least their raid armor said “POLICE” in big letters.
According to WorldNet Daily, the mother in law or wife, whichever was there, saw the men running into the house. She thought they were about to be robbed because they were all wearing street clothes and masks. There was no sign these invaders were police. Furthermore, the city police said the sheriffs dept gave them no warning of this raid. The city police chief stated that the sheriffs office’s action endangered police officers as well. He said if an officer had been near, the officer would have intervened and possibly fired shots to protect the mayors home due to thinking it was a home invasion. The police chief said the sheriff’s office acted on their own.
JellyToast on August 8, 2008 at 6:42 PM
I am a 20-year and still going veteran Law Enforcement Officer. And I’m getting a kick out of these knee-jerk replies.
No ‘tazer abuse’ at the hands of rogue cops stories available, AP?
Do you have ANY idea what can happen in LESS than ONE SECOND, much less in “minutes”? I can’t believe you’re that naive. The fact that ‘turning off the water’ could very likely be observed by suspects as the police do so, is a NO BRAINER. Besides, does your house have more than one toilet? How about a fireplace? And how is a “clear and present danger” going to be justified (absent an “inside man”) when police are on the outside of the house and suspects are on the INSIDE? Now cops are supposed to have x-ray vision too? Do you personally know the “lay-of-the-land” for that house? Inside or outside? Or for that neighborhood? Do you think it’s more common, or less common, that drug dealers are armed, desperate, and half crazy? How were they supposed to know that the house resident was a Mayor? They were County LEO’s, covering 27 city’s in the county, not the city cops from their 8-member department. Even if they knew he was the Mayor, Mayor’s are above using drugs or drug dealing? (Marion Barry ring a bell? *hint: Once Washington D.C.’s Mayor. Crack. Prostitutes. Videotape. etc.)
AllahPundit and his Law Enforcement bashing threads. Gotta love em. They do nothing but get people who know nothing of which they speak all riled up and cop angsty. They really bring out the hate, and the armchair bravado. But it seems that’s the motive behind these types of threads usually anyways.
*please do not construe my post as an ‘a-okay’ regarding as to what happened in the story. on the face of it, as it’s being tried in the media, it looks like someone probably screwed the pooch. but, i, unlike many others including the threads author, am willing to acknowledge that i am not privy to, and don’t have, all the facts… including down to the minutia of detail that can potentially have a major impact on these types of operations.
SilverStar830 on August 8, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Okee dokee. If that’s the case, then the Sheriff’s Dept. is a ass, to misquote Shakespeare.
Frozen Tex on August 8, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Today I watched an episode of ‘It Takes a Thief’ on Discovery Channel, and while the guy was inside the house they arranged to rob, a neighbor noticed it going on. She came into the house (dumb idea) shouting, ‘This is the Police…we have you surrounded!’ (dumber idea, since she had no weapon to do anything if he did come out like she instructed).
Of course we all know in an academic sense that not everyone claiming to be a cop is a cop, but nevertheless, it was instructive to see it displayed so noticeably.
James on August 8, 2008 at 6:46 PM
You’re argument is don’t be stupid, and I agree with you. Yes a swat team should be able to subdue a half asleep man in his skivvies with a hand gun or rifle, but thats not what were discussing. We’re discussing specifically this incident, and police practices in general.
DFCtomm on August 8, 2008 at 6:47 PM
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that SWAT always kills the dogs on these raids. Remember, we, the public, exists to serve and pay taxes. Government exists to do whatever it wants.
JIMV on August 8, 2008 at 6:58 PM
Having served both “no knock” and “knock” warrants I speak from experience.
No Knocks are not the standard. They are hard to get, depending on the jurisdiction. Knock warrants require a 30 second delay before the door is kicked. This gives a bad guy enough time to arm himself. Not enough time to dump the drugs.
I doubt the mayor qualified for a no knock warrant. Typically this is called a controlled delivery. Many times, drug couriers send packages of marijuana and other drugs, to legitimate addresses in hopes the package will be left at the door. A scout will pick up the package once it is delivered. The occupants of the house have no idea anything ever came to their house.
The packages are interdicted by law enforcement in route to their destination. The “bulk” of the drugs are removed and the package is delivered. Good police work helps identify the occupants of the address. This sounds like sloppy work.
I will say this, turning off the water to the house is not really an option.
Inzax on August 8, 2008 at 7:01 PM
You’re discussing the minutia of your job, and it’s difficulties, and I don’t mean any disrespect, but that’s not our business. Our concern is to insure our rights against a groping, reaching government that has an increasingly militarized police force.
DFCtomm on August 8, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Ed, not making any excuses for this particular event, but I’m missing that part of the text of the 4th Amendment that refers to knocking. I see the warrant part…but I can’t put my finger on the knocking part.
Krumhorn on August 8, 2008 at 7:08 PM
elgeneralisimo perhaps knows an individual who might have grown an illicit “crop” for a local “motorcycle club.” As this arrangement was mutually beneficial, it lasted for several years.
One day another person, unaffiliated with the “motorcycle club,” approached this individual about entering into a purchasing agreement for his “crop.” Soon after an agreement was reached and an exchange of goods and or services, certain, unknown individuals from the “motorcycle club” came to inquire about the status of the crop.
Having been told of the new arrangement, they departed back from whence they came, somewhat dejected and empty handed.
The individual, with time on his hands now that his crop had been successfully harvested and sold, was able to go fishing, one of his favorite ways to pass time. One day while checking his trotlines, he noticed that one seemed exceptionally weighted down with fish.
It was not.
Perhaps the individual unaffiliated with the “motorcycle club,” distraught with his life of crime decided to end it all and teach a somewhat morbid morality tale to the individual who grew “crops.”
Or perhaps the “motorcycle club” had taken great umbrage with the individual unaffiliated with the “motorcycle club” and placed him in a barrel. They proceeded to shoot the barrel. They then placed the barrel on the trotline of the individual who grew “crops.”
Either way he was quite dead.
elgeneralisimo on August 8, 2008 at 7:13 PM
You have to be alive to sue. Armed thugs breaking down the door is called a ‘home invasion’ and a lot of folk doing the door smashing end up shot by residents. Then the thugs arrest the home owner for ‘murdering’ their inept homebreaker.
If this guy was not a politician, this would be page 31 in the local paper and the police would move on to the next home invasion.
JIMV on August 8, 2008 at 7:18 PM
@ Frozen Tex on August 8, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Well obviously i would stop shooting after I see they are police officers . . . . maybe.
muyoso on August 8, 2008 at 7:19 PM
PG County is predominately middle class black and this mayor is white. I just wonder if there wouldn’t be an outcry of racism were the demographics to be switched and the venue were say Landover instead of Berwyn Heights. Not trying to make this into something it isn’t but it does seem that the folks that are usually out there in these issues are remarkably restrained in this case.
highhopes on August 8, 2008 at 7:25 PM
What happened to conservatives where some of you are actually justifying this kind of action by police? Terrorists and thugs have truly won if we have stooped to the point where its acceptable to murder innocent people/pets, raid peoples houses without warrants, give up all 4th amendment rights, all on the name of fighting crime and terrorism. Sickening.
muyoso on August 8, 2008 at 7:26 PM
Law enforcement seems to feel that the 4th amendment isn’t compatible with the war on drugs. That being the case, one or the other has got to go. Alternatively, at least the WOD should be kept in it’s proper perspective. If a suspect occasionally gets away because they were able to flush their drugs, so be it. It’s not like the WOD makes any real difference. Everybody who wants them get their drugs anyway. The 4th amendment is too important to sacrifice for relatively meaningless “victories” in the WOD.
FloatingRock on August 8, 2008 at 7:32 PM
The police excuse that evidence could have been destroyed is ludicrous. The SWAT team knew exactly what was in the package, they delivered it themselves. It would be impossible to destroy 32lbs of marijuana before the police could enter the residence, and if so, that act in itself would demonstrate guilt.
It makes me laugh how all the cop shows on TV portray them as super-smart, dead-eye shot, tough as nails heroes. It must take a lot of courage for a heavily armed SWAT team to break down the door, kill two dogs, and handcuff a terrified older woman and a man in his underwear (who turn out to be innocent of any crime). More likely is the non-action of the Canadian cops who stood around the Greyhound bus while the crazy guy was dismembering the victim. They only acted when he attempted to climb out the window. Or the cops during the Columbine massacre who waited until all the shooting stopped inside the school before entering.
The implicit power given to someone with a badge and a gun, along with the “us versus them” mentality within police culture is often a dangerous combination. While most police do a good and necessary job, the problem is more than just “a few bad apples”.
pokermik on August 8, 2008 at 7:35 PM
I hope you are not showing us the caliber of your investigative skills here SilverStar830 because this is not an Allahpundit post.
You admit above that it sounds like the cops screwed up, yet you are upset because the we know-nothings are given an opportunity to discuss it on this blog. You might know something about law enforcement but your knowledge of how the Republic works is lacking. Without criticism and oversight by the public on these matters things would only get worse and never better.
This department would be quick to sweep this entire event under the rug if given the opportunity, that’s just human nature. In short, sometimes the cops need to get bashed, sometimes they deserve it. Why should cops be off limits? What other profession is off limits when they screw up? And these people are paid by the public and are suppose to be sworn to protect the public. But I don’t see much concern for the public safety in modern police tactics. That needs to change.
Don’t whine about how hard your job is, nobody forced you to become law enforcement. Do it right or get out.
Maxx on August 8, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Esthier on August 8, 2008 at 5:21 PM
I posted a link earlier about an incident that happened in Chesapeake, VA where the police did this based on a tip that there were grow lights in a young man’s house. An officer was killed by the homeowner, who thought it was a home invasion. The grow lights were in the garage, left over from his grandmom’s love of gardening. He has been charged with first degree murder. I think before the police do this sort of thing maybe they should stake out the house and do a bit of detective work before they go busting into people’s homes.
Cindy Munford on August 8, 2008 at 7:44 PM
Nice way to make a broad sweeping attack without leaving fingerprints. Shock that no one is justifying this action as if conservatives would. I’d suggest context matters.
This raid happened on what was clearly a private residence and the police knew it was the mayor’s home. Here’s a serious question for you. What would you have the police do if they knew without a doubt that a known drug den had large quantities of illegal substances. They still have to knock at the door in your world? If so, why? If not, what makes the difference?
highhopes on August 8, 2008 at 7:45 PM
Excellent detective work, Chief Wiggum!
Or maybe he’s protesting because his home was wrongfully raided and his beloved pets were gunned down.
joewm315 on August 8, 2008 at 7:53 PM
It really depends on where the emphasis is placed. I think it’s clear that our constitution values the rights of the innocent more than apprehension of the accused.
DFCtomm on August 8, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Does your mother know you are on the computer?
Maxx on August 8, 2008 at 7:56 PM
.308 is your friend
LimeyGeek on August 8, 2008 at 8:29 PM
WTF? The cops didn’t arrive on the stretch of highway until the dismemberment was done; when they arrived, they arrested.
Frozen Tex on August 8, 2008 at 8:51 PM
This is just wrong. I feel sorry for these people.
Terrye on August 8, 2008 at 8:58 PM
I’m late to the dance, but I am invoking the 48 hour rule on myself: No Profane Opinions For 48 Hours, When We Might Actually Know What Really Happened.
That said, I have two immediate thoughts:
- Cops don’t need a “no-knock” break in to bust someone for marijuana. If the target is a major dealer, then there are other laws broken to trigger this extreme violation of privacy, like, say, murder, terrorism, or smuggling.
- cops break in to my house and kill my dogs and I’ll burn down their houses. All of them.
Jaibones on August 8, 2008 at 9:12 PM
The Police did not even force a signature for the package. The Package was outside when they entered. Whoever supervised and approved this raid should be hung.
The Lawyer representing the Mayor is top notch. This will be a blood bath. If I lived in PG County I would move out fast. Soon there will not be many cops left in PG County Maryland.
iam7545 on August 8, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Slu, I’ve got two Labs, one of them is big and scary, about 125 pounds. And you’re spot-on: he might lick you to death. He has a huge bark, and big pretty teeth, but if you pet him on the head and ask him where the ball is, he is disarmed.
Cops in riot gear? My Labs are not much of a threat…
Jaibones on August 8, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Isn’t this the benighted land where those black Muslim wannabees were shooting people at gas stations? What was that dickhead cop’s name…Moose?
Jaibones on August 8, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Word, Tex. No robbers in history could even afford to outfit themselves in the getups the SWAT boys wear.
Jaibones on August 8, 2008 at 9:22 PM
The problem is the governments alarming tendancy to smash into the wrong home….
JIMV on August 8, 2008 at 9:27 PM
an interesting item in the statement released by the Mayor:
Five other county residents were also used in the same manner. I mean really now, wouldn’t a narcotics investigator suspect that maybe the person involved in this is the delivery guy?
The Maryland Governor’s Office needs to send his State Police down to that county Sheriff’s office and clean it out.
Texas Gal on August 8, 2008 at 9:29 PM
HIGHHOPES:
Berwyn Heights:
Prince George’s County:
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/24/24033.html
So, we have the county cops decide to go hard core paramilitary in the least violent enclave of the entire county. And that least violent enclave is populated by an extreme minority population, as compared with the rest of the (high crime) county.
Oh well. I’m sure this investigation will die on the vine. Sorry to be so cynical.
funky chicken on August 8, 2008 at 1:49 PM
funky chicken on August 8, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Those cops were just protecting and serving us – the public. Don’t know about you, but I feel sooo much safer knowing that those vicious black labs and that evil pot aren’t a threat to me anymore.
infidel4life on August 8, 2008 at 9:59 PM
pokermik on August 8, 2008 at 10:04 PM
infidel4life on August 8, 2008 at 10:07 PM
pokermik on August 8, 2008 at 10:04 PM
how about shoot out the windows and then shoot the deranged murderer? That would take, oh, a minute? Then they could all go home.
funky chicken on August 8, 2008 at 10:14 PM
So you’re assuming then, that a rural RCMP detatchment has tear gas and stun grenades (they don’t! Only Emergency Response Teams have that kind of gear, and those are located in major centers. The closest would have been Winnipeg). The guy had no hostages, no other lives were in danger, so their primary goal then is to take him alive, i.e., negotiating; not just blowing him away, Hollywood-style. The less likely anyone else is to be hurt, the better, as far as they’re concerned.
Frozen Tex on August 8, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Hey, I have an idea? Why not check with the local Chief of Police. You think he might just have better intelligence about the residents of his relatively small town than you would as a county policeman who probably needed a map to get to the house?
As a bonus, the Chief could give you some information about who lives there. He could tell you about any problems his department has had with the residents. I betcha he could have said, “Hey, that’s the Mayor’s wife. Let me give them a call and have them come in for a chat with you, okay?”
Even if he was like Marion Berry, that’s still no excuse to go in like they did. You might remember that they busted Marion Berry in a hotel room, after a long surveillance, without shooting anyone or anything or kicking down a door.
They got cocky and, as a result, they’re going to lose yet another humongous lawsuit that will be paid for by the taxpayers of Prince George’s County. They’ve made police officers’ jobs a lot harder because of their negligence and desire to kick down a door and get some action (and, please, don’t tell me that wasn’t a part of it). Your job just got harder because everyone who reads that story is going to be wondering about you.
Jimmie on August 8, 2008 at 10:35 PM
SilverStar830 on August 8, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Take about making the facts fit a theme. Dude, AP didn’t even write this post.
Spirit of 1776 on August 8, 2008 at 10:53 PM
When the cops themselves plant the drugs on your doorstep and you unknowingly bring it inside?
This has got to be the most idiotic comment I’ve ever read on this blog.
infidel4life on August 8, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Frozen Tex wrote: “Just keep in mind: when the one of you with your pistol/rifle starts shooting at the team of armored-and-helmeted SWAT troops armed with full-auto SMGs and/or “assault rifles” and possibly carrying level IV ballistic entry shields… how many do you expect to take with you?”
At least two.
During my time as a marksmanship instructor in the Marine Reserves I had some interesting opportunities, including going through some police training ranges in my home state. I once ran through a tire house course with a guy from one of the suburban SWAT teams. I scored better with a 1911 (my own, not GI) than the SWAT guy did with his MP5. And, that was without any serious CQB training. (I later had a chance to go through with a WWII Thompson. Lots of fun, and another story.)
Another time I was running a requal course for Corpsman. One was a big midwest city cop. He couldn’t hit the target slow fire at 25 yards. And, at least at that time (circa 1996) we used the NRA RAPID FIRE 25 yd target for slow fire.
Nope. Most LEO marksmanship skills don’t awe me. (I do have a few LEO friends who are deadly with a rifle, or pistol, or both. All are former military, or competitive shooters.)
If there were a no-knock raid at my house, my dog would be dead, my daughter would be fatherless, my wife would be a widow, and at least two cops (probably great people with bad orders) would be deads. That is why there should be no no-knock raids.
hpnq420 on August 8, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Bob Bitchin is in the house.
The Race Card on August 8, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Good advice from Mr. Liddy. When those thugs invade a house illegally, they’re no different than other criminals.
infidel4life on August 9, 2008 at 1:02 AM
Excellent post.
DFCtomm on August 9, 2008 at 1:12 AM
They should at least know if they have got the right house. It might save an innocent persons life.
Johan Klaus on August 9, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Because maybe they have got the wrong house? Because maybe some innocent does not get killed?
Johan Klaus on August 9, 2008 at 1:38 AM
pokermik on August 9, 2008 at 1:42 AM
Stayed up late for this one, ’cause it’s been in the back of my head for a while.
How long does it take to suit up and get the SWAT team together?
I would expect anybody who can spell google could find out all sorts of useful information about a house in an hour.
Shouldn’t that be part of the procedure for prepping this sort of search?
I really dislike calling this a raid. A raid is a military attack on an enemy. Raids are for stopping a terrorist with a nuclear bomb.
Drugs are illegal, yes, but I am coming to the opinion that no-knock searches are not justified just to prosecute a drug dealer. If he is violent, then you go after him on that basis, and that’s a different set of criteria. But for drugs absent a clear and specific hazard of violence, no-knocks should be no-no. Other methods may take longer work to build the case, but no-knocks are dangerous for cops and for civilians.
Cases in point: Kathryn Johnston, deceased. The 88 year old or 92 year old lady (sources differ} who was frightened, innocent, and legally armed, fired one shot into the ceiling, but somehow 3 police officers were wounded (they fired 39 times). The cops LIED to cover up their screw-ups. Ultimately, they got jail time for this one.
It also comes out in the investigation that that narcotics unit routinely lied under oath to get warrants.
Detective Jarrod Shivers, killed by Ryan Frederick whose house had been burglarized the week before. The search was for marijuana.
Cheryl Lynn Noel, dead, for marijuana seeds and “trace amounts of cocaine” found in a outdoor trash can. She was in her bed, frightened, and holding a handgun. Before she died, she led lunchtime Bible studies.
Is this really necessary?
olddeadmeat on August 9, 2008 at 1:46 AM
Not no, but hell no!
Johan Klaus on August 9, 2008 at 3:13 AM
Not to mention the dead pets.
Johan Klaus on August 9, 2008 at 3:14 AM
It appears you are correct. I could swear it said it was by AP in the header when I read it. I guess I jumped the shark. However, I stand by my comment. My apologies to AP. But, I guess maybe its become somewhat of a theme by the bloggers at Hot Air then… or maybe it’s a pathogen judging by some of the ludicrous comments that ride the band wagon. Just change the name from AP to ED.
SilverStar830 on August 9, 2008 at 3:21 AM
Ed, thank you so much for this post and bringing attention to this horrific case. I saw this story on CNN while trying to get drowsy before going to bed and needless to say this jarred me awake. Made me wonder what happened to America, the land of the Constitution. No-knocks shouldn’t be legal in this country.
I am so upset at this stemming from stolen ID, with all the stolen ID in this country, it’s terrifying. The murder of the dogs is just beyond words. I hope this story doesn’t go away until something is done to prevent this from ever happening again!
All the lies that the police told is amazing — from the warrant to where the dogs were in the house and blaming the dogs and the mother-in-law for what happened. Unbelievable.
Thank you again.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on August 9, 2008 at 4:17 AM
Absolutely. The whole point of a no-knock warrant is for them to get into your house with guns before you know they’re the police. But if they’re in your house with guns before they’ve let you know they’re the police, you’re well within your rights to kill them. In Florida, it’s only illegal to use lethal force against a police officer breaking into your house if he is performing official duties and the officer either clearly identified himself as law enforcement or you should have reasonably known that they were law enforcement. If a no-knock warrant team is doing their job, you’re not going to know that before you have a gun pointed at you. So if they kick down the front door, and you shoot them from behind cover before they announce who they are — you’re in the clear.
In Minneapolis, that very situation occurred and the owner of the house shot two officers. No charges were filed against the owner, and the police chief apologized to the family in person a few days later (wrong house).
Mark Jaquith on August 9, 2008 at 4:29 AM
Because human lives are worth more than my dogs, and mistakes happen, no matter how much I love my dogs. But the errors made here deserve more than an apology; they deserve painful retribution and some accountability.
Jaibones on August 9, 2008 at 5:41 AM
It isn’t, and far from it. These commenters have generally been highly supportive of law enforcement and military action, even when things go wrong. Egregious violations of the rules of law enforcement, common sense, and basic decency undermine that.
Jaibones on August 9, 2008 at 6:05 AM
The “events” at Waco those many years ago started a trend. Revel in your public servants.
TwinkietheKid on August 9, 2008 at 9:13 AM
As a former Lab owner, my parents have had several, this really hit home.
One report said the dog was running away and they allegedly shot him for sport.
That story is tragic on so many levels.
AprilOrit on August 9, 2008 at 10:26 AM
Outlawing vegetables is ridiculous.
Saying that drunks have a better chance at graduating than dopers is to takes sides with the morons against the idiots.
Stats? About 2% of state prison inmates are there on pot charges, which could include being arrested for robbery while holding pot. First time offenders charged only with pot possession is .3% of inmates. With 2.2 million in all US prisons, do the math and tell me how many tens of thousands of people this represents who are in prison because they prefer pot to beer, then tell me with a straight face that it’s worth it.
Since of course it isn’t worth it, mistakes like the one we’re discussing would not happen if the govt would just get out of the business of deciding what people are allowed to use to get high on.
Akzed on August 9, 2008 at 10:28 AM
To protect and serve.
Johan Klaus on August 9, 2008 at 10:33 AM
That’s a good point. However, I have family living in PG county, and FWIW, reverse racism actions don’t appear to be as common as black-on-black violence.
From the decreasing volume of protests, there seems to be sullen resignation to PG police force, PG politicians, and PG government misconduct.
In fairness it the county, there are people who strive mightily to be good public servants and good citizens.
It just seems that the standards are lower across the board. This is a highly Democratic area after all.
NaCly dog on August 9, 2008 at 10:47 AM
With all due respect to the good cops out there, my hope is that the mayor sues somebody big time over this and wins, and in a very short time there’ll be a couple of PG county cops searching the want-ads for employment opportunities.
abcurtis on August 9, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Since these guys are supposedly throughly briefed about the raid they are going to perform, wouldn’t they know whether or not this address is a “known” drug house (with documentation, etc.), and that similar activity has been going on there prior to this raid?
I think we’ll see a Federal investigation into this incident.
eanax on August 9, 2008 at 10:54 AM
So if the cops were FBI or DEA and the mayor was the mayor of say, NY or LA, would that have made it any better?
abcurtis on August 9, 2008 at 10:57 AM
I’ve known and worked with people who live in PG county. They refer to it as The People’s Republic of Prince George. Wonder why?
abcurtis on August 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Not true. there have been mulitple incidents of people being shot by police where
a. the police “say” they announced themselves but multiple witness say they did not
b. the police were spotted as they were trying to pry open the door (one officer shot, citizen tried but got a hung jury) or before they broke down the door (one incident a 60 something marine vet spotted them in his yard and was standing in living room with a shotgun when they smashed the door in, he was immediately shot dead before they announced themselves… they had the wrong house).
c. as I said before… home invasions by people dressed as police (links in earlier post).
I do not blame the police… but I don’t blame the citizen either. I sleep with a handgun in a quick open safe under my bed. Imagine you are half asleep at 4 am and “Bam!” you say “what the hell?” Seriously, what is more likely a robbery or cops that got the wrong house… robbery of course. Or how about this… your neighbors dog is barking at 5 am, you look outside… see a weird van on the street and people in dark clothes in your yard, you grab your shotgun and go to the living room where suddenly w/o warning your door gets broken down and you get shot dead.
If this happened to me, somebody is going to die (prob me) because I am going to defend my wife, my child, and my home. If they knock, they are welcome to come on in. I’m not opposed to no-knock warrants, I only DEMAND that the cops do their homework beforehand and they are held accountable when they screw up. Cops are rarely held to account when these things go bad. I’m not talking about the cop who shoots an innocent guy defending his house… it’s the SUPERVISORS who need to pay, compare that to the citizen who is ALWAYS blamed and charged when these raids go bad. I do not have ESP and when threatened, I instinctively react. These raids should not be used to serve warrants for low level pot dealers or for non-violent crimes. If you don’t know… maybe they should do some more homework before they start kicking down doors.
BadBrad on August 9, 2008 at 11:19 AM
SilverStar – better you just hit and ran, because coming back to offer that non-apology just makes it worse. I come from a law enforcement family and saying “they screwed the pooch” is the understatement of the year. I am sick and tired of paying out enormous sums for incompetent cowboys who hide behind powerful unions and CYA administrators who enable them. Assuming you are a good dedicated cop, why would you decry the fact that folks who would otherwise support you to the hilt have become fed up with unnecessary usage of paramilitary tactics? It is insane to think a pot drop required this action, so stop trying to equate it with a legit situation, i.e. armed felony, hostage taking, etc. As far as I am concerned, MS-13 and instances like the N. Hollywood bank robbery have shown the need for law enforcement to have access to these tools and techniques, but the constant need to demonstrate overwhelming force in otherwise nonviolent (in this case, contrived) situations just undermines your cause. If you lose “us”, you’ve lost the public, period. It will happen on the back of budget busting payouts to deserving citizens. Check that, in the case of Rampart, payouts to thug felons themselves.
rhodeymark on August 9, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Let *US* not forget who pay$ the damage$
rhodeymark on August 9, 2008 at 12:20 PM
If SWAT is afraid of dogs, especially labs, they shouldn’t be cops in the first place. This things smells. There is no justification for ever using no-knock raids for any small herbal busts. No-knock needs to be reserved for known violent criminals/operations or at least those where there is a good reason to think that violence may occur. The cops from the top on down need to be fired, charged, and spend time in the pokey themselves. The FBI did a good job in Atlanta, hopefully, they’ll have at it here as well.
Laddy on August 9, 2008 at 12:39 PM
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