No-knock raid victimizes mayor, kills dogs

posted at 12:55 pm on August 8, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Another no-knock raid on a residence has wound up backfiring on police, and this one won’t go away quietly. A Maryland mayor wants a federal investigation after police burst into his home unannounced and shot and killed both of his dogs after what looks like a drug-bust setup gone very, very wrong:

Prince George’s County authorities did not have a “no-knock” warrant when they burst into the home of a mayor July 29, shooting and killing his two dogs — contrary to what police said after the incident.

Judges in Maryland can grant police the right to enter a building and serve a search warrant without knocking if the judge finds there is reasonable suspicion to think evidence might be destroyed or the officers’ safety might be endangered in announcing themselves.

A Prince George’s police spokesman said last week that a Sheriff’s Office SWAT team and county police narcotics officers were operating under such a warrant when they broke down the door of Berwyn Heights Mayor Cheye Calvo, shooting and killing his black Labrador retrievers.

But a review of the warrant indicates that police neither sought nor received permission from Circuit Court Judge Albert W. Northrup to enter without knocking. Northrup found probable cause to suspect that drugs might be in the house and granted police a standard search warrant.

And to listen to Calvo’s version of the story, the probable cause for the normal warrant seems very suspect. Calvo came home after walking his dogs to find a package on his stoop addressed to his wife. He picked it up and left it on the table — and that’s when all hell broke loose in Prince County.

Who left that package on the porch?  Police now think it may have been left as a dead-drop for another courier in the drug trade, but that doesn’t make much sense.  If it was addressed to the occupant, it would have been opened before a dead-drop retrieval could be made. Presumably, that’s why the police raided the Calvo house.

However, why did this require a no-knock raid?  Did someone think the mayor would have guns at the ready to use against police?  If so, why not detain him at the door when he returned; why wait for him to go inside where he could get his alleged weapons?  And why, for Pete’s sake, did a SWAT team have to handle a marijuana bust?

Calvo wants answers, and as mayor, he’s in a position to get them.  The entire nation should be wondering about the judgment used in performing no-knock raids all across the US for marijuana busts, which killed a woman in Atlanta earlier this year and the mayor’s two dogs this time.  No-knock raids should be rare and limited to cases where an extreme danger exists for the police in capturing dangerous suspects.  Otherwise, the Fourth Amendment is meaningless. (via TMV)

Update: See-Dubya says in the comments that no-knocks are necessary in certain cases to keep people from destroying evidence.  That is exactly why I say these make the Fourth Amendment meaningless.  Any time the police need to conduct a search, the possibility exists that people will try to get rid of the evidence first.  If police use that excuse, it creates a lot more opportunities for no-knock raids — along with opportunities for fatal mistakes.

The difference in time between raiding a house and knocking on the door and presenting a search warrant is minutes at best.  The police could turn the water off to the house to keep the residents from flushing toilets more than once and accomplish the same thing without a violent, unannounced entry into a house.  Only when a clear and present danger to the safety of the officers exists should they be allowed to smash their way into a residence or business without identifying themselves.

Great debate in the comments — be sure to read all the way through it.

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Killed two labs? That makes me sick to my stomach. These police state tactics have gotten out of hand.

fossten on August 8, 2008 at 12:59 PM

totally… bizarre.

and what’s with all the lethal force just for some herb???

your tax dollars at work.

homesickamerican on August 8, 2008 at 12:59 PM

I saw the mayor on CNN this morning. Those cops are in a lot of trouble. He says his identity was stolen, leading to the police thinking his address was a drug house. They never even bothered to check who lived at the address. His dogs were also at the far end of the hallway when they were shot.

Very bad.

BadgerHawk on August 8, 2008 at 1:00 PM

This is appalling and there is no excuse for what the police did. Not only terrorizing people in their home but killing their pets. I hope they get sued big time.

katieanne on August 8, 2008 at 1:00 PM

Yeah, this one seems like a mess on so many levels, I hope that the true motivations for this will come to light.

bbz123 on August 8, 2008 at 1:01 PM

What did the police think the labs were going to do? Lick them to death?

Slublog on August 8, 2008 at 1:01 PM

Please don’t let this become a police-bashing fest that would make libs look like they are the police’ best friends.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 8, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Slublog on August 8, 2008 at 1:01 PM

Reminds me of Boondock Saints: “There’s 9 bodies genius. What were you gonna do, laugh the last 3 to death, funny man?”

BadgerHawk on August 8, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Stupid war on drugs. Legalize it and tax the hell out of it. This should never happen.

redshirt on August 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM

this is one of the most ridiculous situations i’ve ever heard of

Defector01 on August 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Yet another example of no-knock drug war stupidity.

libertytexan on August 8, 2008 at 1:04 PM

First reaction: Fury/that family needs to hollow out that city’s coffers.

But like I’ve said in other Bad Cop threads, I can’t bring myself to judge without knowing all sides of the story.

RushBaby on August 8, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Boys and their toys. Nothing says macho like strapping on the gear. No knock warrants are an abomination, particularly when mixed with paramilitary testosterone. Leaving a drug parcel on someone’s doorstep seems a tidy way to set them up, kinda like a cold throw down weapon.

a capella on August 8, 2008 at 1:05 PM

at least no people were shot dead unlike:

http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

libertytexan on August 8, 2008 at 1:05 PM

a sad incident indeed. Is this the America it could be? Clearly, the Executive branch of the Federal Government needs to take over all state and local police.

kirkill on August 8, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Please don’t let this become a police-bashing fest that would make libs look like they are the police’ best friends.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 8, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Please don’t let this become a thread where freedom of expression is being chilled by pre-emptive name calling.

fossten on August 8, 2008 at 1:07 PM

If it were my dog they shot they could be guaranteed a violent response in kind, cop or no cop.

Viper1 on August 8, 2008 at 1:08 PM

I love the how police characterize the terrified MIL’s scream as their spur to action. WTF then IS the officially approved, appropriate response when one sees masked armed men charging the house?

As proud owner of a Black Labrador, I need to know.

tree hugging sister on August 8, 2008 at 1:09 PM

You know, I understand the need to move quickly, and shut down any possible resistance/danger to officers. My own (limited) experience with similar situations is to quickly take control of the scene, using only necessary force to achieve that control.

However, a SWAT team, I would think, would be fully briefed on who/what/why they are conducting any given operation. So that leaves a lot of unanswered questions here in this case.

Historically speaking, it’s not unheard of for a public official’s family member(s) to be involved in illegal activities, drugs being high on that this, although it seems like it’s usually the kids.

With all the unanswered questions here, I will not bash law enforcement until we have more answers.

JamesLee on August 8, 2008 at 1:10 PM

Calvo has said that sheriff’s deputies entered without knocking and began shooting immediately, killing 7-year-old Payton first, then shooting 4-year-old Chase as he ran to another room.

Sheriff Michael Jackson (D) has not returned several messages about the case. Sgt. Mario Ellis, a Sheriff’s Office spokesman, said last Wednesday that deputies regretted shooting the dogs but that they had felt threatened by them.

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Does anyone else note the discrepancy above? Threatened by a dog that is running away? BTW, this is the same police force that had a sergeant shooting two furniture delivery men who were bringing furniture to him, killing one, and the same police force that last year had a suspect in an officer shooting ‘strangle’ himself in a holding cell.

Think_b4_speaking on August 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Boys and their toys. Nothing says macho like strapping on the gear. No knock warrants are an abomination, particularly when mixed with paramilitary testosterone. Leaving a drug parcel on someone’s doorstep seems a tidy way to set them up, kinda like a cold throw down weapon.

a capella on August 8, 2008 at 1:05 PM

Again, sorry, but check the Prince George’s County demographics. Coming soon to an Obamanation near you?

funky chicken on August 8, 2008 at 1:13 PM

In our County these raids have yielded nothing but heartache and pain. In one case they raided an elderly couples home and literally body slammed an eighty year old man on a respirator who was trying to save his wife from the intruders. The Police seem to lose all common sense when the go is given for such a raid. They think they are in Iraq or a Miami slum instead of in a middle class neighborhood.

pat on August 8, 2008 at 1:13 PM

I live less than 2 miles from where this happened.

Berwyn Heights is barely a town, and the mayor is a part-time mayor.
They didn’t know who’s house it was.

It was the county doing the raid.

And from a version of this story that I read, the Swat team knew it was a package of drugs because police dogs picked it up at the post office or something. So they delivered it just so they could bust in. I’m sorry, but when pounds of pot are being delivered to your door and you bring it in, that’s probable cause.

This didn’t go down the way it should, but let’s not pretend that the usual person that pounds of marijuana are being delivered to isn’t usually expected to have a weapon.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Totally effed up.

omnipotent on August 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM

If it were my dog they shot they could be guaranteed a violent response in kind, cop or no cop.

Viper1 on August 8, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Tuck your weewee back into your diaper there Rambo.

The Race Card on August 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Huh, my first comment didn’t make it. But I think I read in a different article that the feds are opening a civil rights investigation. It will be interesting to see if all the “diversity training” has made them blind to all but one kind of racial motivation.

funky chicken on August 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:14 PM

According to the mayor, his address became a part of the investigation as a result of identity theft. Plus, there’s really no way to excuse the shooting of the labs.

BadgerHawk on August 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM

libertytexan, after reading a few of the cases, I think that website has a very liberal view of “Innocent”. Even taking in that liberal view, only 42 Innocents died in the entire US over several years. This isn’t an epidemic.

craig on August 8, 2008 at 1:17 PM

And why, for Pete’s sake, did a SWAT team have to handle a marijuana bust?

… No-knock raids should be rare and limited to cases where an extreme danger exists for the police in capturing dangerous suspects. Otherwise, the Fourth Amendment is meaningless.

Ed, no-knock raids have been going on for years. It’s only sometimes related to the danger facing officers, but often ordered to prevent the destruction of evidence. If you knock on the door and say you’re with the police, the bad guys flush the dope down the toilet before they let you in.

This may call for discipline of the officers involved, but it’s hardly an indictment of the entire no-knock warrant.

It’s like saying that the entire invasion of Iraq is worthless because the soldiers at Abu Ghraib broke the law and did things they weren’t authorized to do.

see-dubya on August 8, 2008 at 1:17 PM

In our County these raids have yielded nothing but heartache and pain.

Come on now. You just don’t here about it when busts like this go well. I would venture that the street gangs that thrive on the drug trade produce significantly more hardache and pain, but they are usually made up of minorities, so people sympathize with them, and they don’t get 1/100th of the attention that a “macho” testosterone-filled angry cop gets.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:18 PM

I have never understood the automatic and virtually blind support of all law enforcement at all levels. Law enforcement is given a tremendous amount of power from day one. Unfortunately, many, NOT ALL, choose the careers for that very reason. The saying most people respect the badge, but everyone respects the gun. We have to hold them to a higher level of accountability. We never have and the abuses are getting worse over time. Good cops would welcome higher scrutiny. The rest do what is being done now in Maryland. No apologies, no nothing. It’s ridiculous. Protect and serve my arse.

JeffinOrlando on August 8, 2008 at 1:19 PM

And from a version of this story that I read, the Swat team knew it was a package of drugs because police dogs picked it up at the post office or something. So they delivered it just so they could bust in. I’m sorry, but when pounds of pot are being delivered to your door and you bring it in, that’s probable cause.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:14 PM

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The SWAT team delivered the package – that sounds less like probable cause, and more like entrapment, or just some overzealous SWATters looking for some action.

Think_b4_speaking on August 8, 2008 at 1:19 PM

And from a version of this story that I read, the Swat team knew it was a package of drugs because police dogs picked it up at the post office or something. So they delivered it just so they could bust in. I’m sorry, but when pounds of pot are being delivered to your door and you bring it in, that’s probable cause.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:14 PM

———-

Perhaps it was mail-order dog treats.

Mew

acat on August 8, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Please don’t let this become a thread where freedom of expression is being chilled by pre-emptive name calling.

I’m not chilling anyone’s freedom of speech. Of course, if we go by your logic then you are chilling mine as well.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 8, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Why was the mayor in his underwear?

faraway on August 8, 2008 at 1:20 PM

The drug dogs picked up the scent in Arizona, as the box was shipped from CA. They could have arrested the guy on his front porch when he first picked up the box.

And Labradors ain’t intimidating in the least. Shooting a fleeing 3 year old Lab? bastards.

And sorry, but the cops have the mayor’s data available to them if they just radio in the address and name, right? This skinny guy in chinos with his two sweet dogs did not require paramilitary response. And how on earth can they try to say that a screaming old lady (who only screamed after she saw the thugs swarming to the house in attack formation) somehow justifies their behavior?

funky chicken on August 8, 2008 at 1:21 PM

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Also, they didn’t have the proper warrant.

And I hate to break this to you – but most marijuana smokers aren’t hard core gang bangers with loads of guns, you know? :P Marijuana is barely a drug.

apollyonbob on August 8, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Marijuana is barely a drug.

You are aware what the deffinition of a drug is, right?

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Another story about the sucessful drug war…Decriminalize EVERYTHING, if someone wants to do drugs, they are already doing them. The law hurts far more people than drugs ever will…PROHIBITION WILL NEVER WORK, STOP THROWING AWAY MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!

adamsmith on August 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Does anyone else note the discrepancy above? Threatened by a dog that is running away? BTW, this is the same police force that had a sergeant shooting two furniture delivery men who were bringing furniture to him, killing one, and the same police force that last year had a suspect in an officer shooting ’strangle’ himself in a holding cell.

Think_b4_speaking on August 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Yeah, I thought about that too. Now, granted it’s PG County,
on the border of the worst part of DC. And I know the police force is getting beat up and must take more precautions than many of their neighboring conty peers, but this was beyond the pale.

bernzright777 on August 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM

The SWAT team delivered the package – that sounds less like probable cause, and more like entrapment, or just some overzealous SWATters looking for some action.

Think_b4_speaking on August 8, 2008 at 1:19 PM

Well, I’m sure its just procedure. The drug trade is too expensive a business to have “packages” accidentally delivered to the wrong addresses very often. What do you guys expect the cops to do, go and make sure that the folks living at the address are gang-bangers first? Its unfortunate that this mayor was (supposedly) a victim of identity theft and that his dogs are dead, but this does not mean that the whole system needs an overhaul.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Why was the mayor in his underwear?

faraway on August 8, 2008 at 1:20 PM

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He was in his bedroom changing clothes when the door was broken down, and the team started shooting.

Think_b4_speaking on August 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Please don’t let this become a police-bashing fest that would make libs look like they are the police’ best friends.

DethMetalCookieMonst

Regardless of anything said here the libs aren’t the police’ best friends. The main thing that will help the libs is to chill discussion.

snaggletoothie on August 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM

So they delivered it just so they could bust in. I’m sorry, but when pounds of pot are being delivered to your door and you bring it in, that’s probable cause.

You assume everything and prove nothing with your assumption.

I don’t know about your area but pot dealers in California are as common as Walmart. Also, I’ve known a lot of thugs, drug dealers and lowlifes. My experience is that pot deals don’t usually involve guns. Coke is a different story altogether.

The Race Card on August 8, 2008 at 1:23 PM

see-dubya on August 8, 2008 at 1:17 PM

Yeah but in this case, they already had the drugs! They knew about them already, they just delivered them to the guy.

Of course, these guys didn’t even have a no-knock warrant, and that’s probably why

apollyonbob on August 8, 2008 at 1:23 PM

apollyonbob on August 8, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Are you aware of how much was being delivered? It was a distribution-sized amount. I don’t know about you, but dealers are generally a lot more dangerous than your average, moronic, white, suburban pot-head who doesn’t realize how many deaths every year are a result of his moronic habit.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Regardless of anything said here the libs aren’t the police’ best friends. The main thing that will help the libs is to chill discussion.

My beef is that these police posts start making this place look like a Rage Against the Machine message board.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM

As aware as you are of the connotations of the word “drug” in this sense.

apollyonbob on August 8, 2008 at 1:25 PM

The SWAT team delivered the package - that sounds less like probable cause, and more like entrapment, or just some overzealous SWATters looking for some action.

Think_b4_speaking on August 8, 2008 at 1:19 PM

damn right

And they pick up the package, carry it to the house, get a standard search warrant … all without learning that this guy is the mayor of this little enclave?

funky chicken on August 8, 2008 at 1:25 PM

What do you guys expect the cops to do, go and make sure that the folks living at the address are gang-bangers first? Its unfortunate that this mayor was (supposedly) a victim of identity theft and that his dogs are dead, but this does not mean that the whole system needs an overhaul.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM

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I expect them to have some level of information on the house they are taking down, instead of shooting first thing in the door, especially after they had posession of the drugs, and then hand delivered them to the address. How long did they have them, and wouldn’t a third grader know to at least do a bit of research before blazing away?

Think_b4_speaking on August 8, 2008 at 1:25 PM

“32 pounds of marijuana” is not just some dude smoking a little weed. I would suspect the dealer of 32 lbs might have guns also.

How do we know the mayor is not a drug dealer? Just because some sweet dogs were killed?

faraway on August 8, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Story I heard…

It was a FedEx package. Dogs picked up traces of drugs on a sweep, and the package was then delivered by an undercover guy, to see who picked it up. There were also a number of other packages which were suspect…

Plot was a FedEx delivery guy would deliver the package, then an accomplice would pick them up. Its a cut out as the FedEx guy “doesn’t know” what he’s delivering, and the guy picking it up can ensure the coast is clear before pick up.

Problem is that the cops did not bother to Vet the location… I mean this guy is the stinkin MAYOR? And none of the country cops KNEW IT?

Second problem was that they were HOME near the time of the delivery (since it was delivered by an undercover guy, the time would be different, and no call made from FedEX guy to pickup guy)… so the whole thing fell apart when the poor mayor took the package into the house.

All in all, pretty sloppy police work from what I read from a couple of different sources.

Romeo13 on August 8, 2008 at 1:26 PM

As aware as you are of the connotations of the word “drug” in this sense.

You said “drug”. It’s not my fault you didn’t say what you apparently meant.

BTW, I believe is should be legal as well (and this is coming from someone who’s never smoked pot). Make it legal and tax the hell out of it.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 8, 2008 at 1:27 PM

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM

If a pound of pot or whatever is enough for someone to be considered billy bad-ass pot dealer, replete with modified auto-matic weapons and Flush-0-Matic 5000 (flush your entire distribution-sized amount!) then I guess the cops should’ve gotten a no-knock warrant, right?

Or would the judge have disagreed with that logic, I wonder?

apollyonbob on August 8, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Perhaps it was mail-order dog treats.

Mew

acat on August 8, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Interesting that you should mention that. We work 12 hour shifts overnight and the police did a “drug and contraband” sweep through the parking lot. It was winter, plenty cold to keep food good. So our people who work the long shift had food in their cars, go figure.

The Dogs kept keying on cars, they especially liked the BBQ ribs that Big H had in his car, and of course, they loved the Fried Chicken that CC had in his car. It was hilarious. Out of a hundred or so of us on nights, about twenty guys got called to open their cars for the police search. Each time, it was someone’s lunch that the dogs started to act out for. At first, you would have thought the cops found Scarface, then after a while, they just wanted to leave and pretend the night never happened.

Big H opened his car and stood back. Then the dogs lunged for the cooler on the floor of the back seat and H said. “Hey Man, that’s my lunch. Get your own MF Ribs.”

The Police stepped back and almost drew their weapons, Big H is a real big old boy. I don’t think you can get the standard handcuffs on his wrist.

We all laughed for a good long time about this. They haven’t been back for a while.

Snake307 on August 8, 2008 at 1:28 PM

The Race Card on August 8, 2008 at 1:23 PM

How many of the dealers do you know that bring you back to their places of residence? Sure, hand-to-hand deals don’t involve guns, but that’s cause most of the pukes buying pot are idiots.

Speaking of DC Area mayors, doesn’t anybody remember Dinkins? There’s no reason to assume this guy is innocent just because he says he is. Sure, he might be. But the title “Mayor” doesn’t automatically mean he’s a nice guy.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:28 PM

How the heck did the cops not know the Mayor lived at the house? Someone should have known, I mean, I assume whoever was in charge ran the id of the owners, no? Stupid and dangerous.

Geronimo on August 8, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Good coverage from the best reporter on the topic here:

Interestingly, the state of Maryland does not issue warrants for no-knock raids. However, police may determine at the scene that a no-knock entry is necessary if one of two conditions are present. The first if the police have reasonable suspicion that the suspect may pose a threat to the officers’ safety. The second is if police have reasonable suspicion that the suspect may destroy the evidence.

From the blog post here at Hotair:

The entire nation should be wondering about the judgment used in performing no-knock raids all across the US for marijuana busts, which killed a woman in Atlanta earlier this year and the mayor’s two dogs this time.

Is this a reference to that 92 year old lady, Kathryn Johnston? Because if it is Ms. Johnston died a few Thanksgiving-eves ago and not this year. The cops were also convicted for fixing evidence.

LevStrauss on August 8, 2008 at 1:30 PM

How the heck did the cops not know the Mayor lived at the house?
Geronimo on August 8, 2008 at 1:28 PM

It was county police and this was a part-time mayor of a less-than-2000 person “town”.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:30 PM

libertytexan, after reading a few of the cases, I think that website has a very liberal view of “Innocent”. Even taking in that liberal view, only 42 Innocents died in the entire US over several years. This isn’t an epidemic.

craig on August 8, 2008 at 1:17 PM

You’re effing kidding me, right?

“Only” 42 innocents slain “over several years” is acceptable in your mind?

Please tell me I have misunderstood your statement. Because if I haven’t you are one totally effed-up individual.

pseudonominus on August 8, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Sounds like a setup. Empty package arrives. Identity stolen. Perhaps someone had a grudge against the mayor? If there was an informant, he will be asked many questions.

shick on August 8, 2008 at 1:31 PM

If the box had 32 pounds of pot, a simple knock on the door would suffice. Ain’t nobody can flush 32 pounds of pot. It would be like flushing a whole case of Korans.

This case isn’t going to help Michelle Obama’s children.

funky chicken on August 8, 2008 at 1:31 PM

For those of you saying the cops were stupid to not know where the mayor lived.

Are we saying the mayor should be treated differently than you or I?

Why would county cops know where every mayor of every little podunk town lives?

faraway on August 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM

pseudonominus on August 8, 2008 at 1:30 PM

I gotta admit – when policing a State with 300,000,000 people in it, you’re going to have some collateral damage, regardless of how hard you try to avoid it.

apollyonbob on August 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM

Something to consider:

Why raid the house right after the mayor brought the package inside? Then you have someone for possession and nothing else. Why wouldn’t they wait and see what he was planning to do with it?

BadgerHawk on August 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM

I’m sorry, but when pounds of pot are being delivered to your door and you bring it in, that’s probable cause.

When a package shows up at your door, with your wife’s name on it, even if you don’t know what’s in it, what the hell do YOU do with it?

“Guess I just leave this here on the porch”?

e-pirate on August 8, 2008 at 1:33 PM

BadgerHawk on August 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM

Because this isn’t The Wire?

Sorry, but I have a feeling these raids happen all of the time all over the country and we never hear about them until something goes wrong, which probably doesn’t happen practically at all.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:34 PM

libertytexan, after reading a few of the cases, I think that website has a very liberal view of “Innocent”. Even taking in that liberal view, only 42 Innocents died in the entire US over several years. This isn’t an epidemic.

craig on August 8, 2008 at 1:17 PM

That’s right. It’s just collateral damage, people! The police state must drive on!

fossten on August 8, 2008 at 1:34 PM

With all the unanswered questions here, I will not bash law enforcement until we have more answers.

Its not necessarily bashing law enforcement officers to question the use of ‘no knock’ raids for the actions described in this story. The only time a no knock raid should be used is when the police are in hot pursuit of an active suspect or at the very least after a thorough check is done on the home, the occupants and having actual knowledge of a criminal inside.

If anyone sees a FEDEX box on their porch they will certainly pick it up and bring it in the house even if its addressed to the house down the street. Law enforcement can not and MUST not assume a crime under these circumstances and by all means should avoid a no-knock raid using SWAT teams dressed in black, guns drawn.

Just why have we as a society allowed the 4th Amendment to be so thoroughly trashed? This is EXACTLY the sort of thing the 4th was put in place to avoid.

JonPrichard on August 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM

The difference in time between raiding a house and knocking on the door and presenting a search warrant is minutes at best. The police could turn the water off to the house to keep the residents from flushing toilets more than once and accomplish the same thing without a violent, unannounced entry into a house. Only when a clear and present danger to the safety of the officers exists should they be allowed to smash their way into a residence or business without identifying themselves.

Exactly. There are better options.

Spirit of 1776 on August 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM

David Dinkins was the mayor of NYC. He was never arrested for anything.

Marion Berry was the mayor of Washington, DC. He was arrested in a hotel room, and there was no crazy paramilitary shoot-out (or one sided shoot-em-up)…..but Marion Berry was smoking crack with hookers. He was not a danger to the police officers ever.

funky chicken on August 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM

Berwyn Heights is barely a town, and the mayor is a part-time mayor.
They didn’t know who’s house it was.

It was county police and this was a part-time mayor of a less-than-2000 person “town”.

jimmy the notable

Oh…so it is okay if the cops are out of control if it is “barely” a town and the mayor is “only part time.

pseudonominus on August 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM

Very scary to think this happens in the U.S.A.

I’m furious about the dogs. No millions will undo this act.

Entelechy on August 8, 2008 at 1:36 PM

No matter what, I smell a rat in this situation. Perhaps a set-up, a grudge, or something.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 8, 2008 at 1:36 PM

I gotta admit – when policing a State with 300,000,000 people in it, you’re going to have some collateral damage, regardless of how hard you try to avoid it.

apollyonbob on August 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM

Do you see what you did there?

Wonder if you’d feel the same way if it happened to you, or your family.

fossten on August 8, 2008 at 1:36 PM

Speaking of DC Area mayors, doesn’t anybody remember Dinkins? There’s no reason to assume this guy is innocent just because he says he is. Sure, he might be. But the title “Mayor” doesn’t automatically mean he’s a nice guy.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Dinkin’s was NY or something…you’re thinking about Marion “bi%ch set me up” Barry.

bernzright777 on August 8, 2008 at 1:37 PM

The Chief of Police (Janet Reno) was unavailable for comment.

TheSitRep on August 8, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Something to consider:

Why raid the house right after the mayor brought the package inside? Then you have someone for possession and nothing else. Why wouldn’t they wait and see what he was planning to do with it?

BadgerHawk on August 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM

demographics of the county …

Oh, and it’s Marion Barry, not Berry? I think Berry is the name of a race baiter on some government civil rights commission.

funky chicken on August 8, 2008 at 1:38 PM

My collie says:

Once again, “man’s best friend” bears the brunt of human stupidity.

We can only hope those labs are now hunting in the divine duck-blind.

CyberCipher on August 8, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Sounds like another successful “War On Drugs” operation to me. Show up, wearing black. Break down someone’s door, (is it any wonder the police might feel threatened by doing so?….pre-justification for shooting anything, and anyone in their way right there!), terrorize the inhabitants, kill their pets, then it’s back to the station to polish up their jack boots for the next time society calls on them to employ their unique law enforcement talents.

DngrMse on August 8, 2008 at 1:38 PM

When a package shows up at your door, with your wife’s name on it, even if you don’t know what’s in it, what the hell do YOU do with it?

“Guess I just leave this here on the porch”?

e-pirate on August 8, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Yeah, I would bring it inside. And if I was innocent, then I might hate the cops who raided my house. But this is a great deal of drugs. With his wife’s name on the package. Are the cops supposed to assume first that it must be a mistake that it was delivered to her and prove otherwise before they can do anything? Mistakes happen. This is one of them. The officers will probably be punished. A few dumb cops doesn’t mean we need to re-work the entire criminal justice system with a greater care for the, “But what if this delivery of drugs is an accident?” defense.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:38 PM

I gotta admit – when policing a State with 300,000,000 people in it, you’re going to have some collateral damage, regardless of how hard you try to avoid it.

apollyonbob

Need I say it?

If it were your loved ones slain by inept and overagressive law enforcement officers, I doubt you would be so accepting of this “collateral damage”.

pseudonominus on August 8, 2008 at 1:39 PM

Romeo13 on August 8, 2008 at 1:26 PM

That’s how I understood it as well. Delivery guy delivers the package when no one home and leaves it on the porch. Pick-up guy grabs it when the coast is clear. It doesn’t seem like the cops in this situation ever thought of that possibility.

Think of the logic though. What kind of moron is going to have 32lbs of pot shipped right to their front door? That should have played into the cops reasoning a bit.

BadgerHawk on August 8, 2008 at 1:39 PM

The fact that the victim, of course the validity of the term “victim” depends on if you are sadistic or not, was an elected official is the only thing that changes this from being a nice little press release on a police web site to a story of gross overstep. The demented sadism in some who would rather see someone who is not harming anyone in jail, for possession of a substance less harmful than alcohol, is really astounding. It really shows you how some people are so conditioned to believe things, they are Pavlov’s dogs on many issues, that they can’t use basic reasoning to put together a world view.

LevStrauss on August 8, 2008 at 1:39 PM

You guys got me on the Dinkins thing. I got mixed up.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM

I’m not chilling anyone’s freedom of speech. Of course, if we go by your logic then you are chilling mine as well.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 8, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Let’s go by my logic, since that way you admit that you’re trying to chill speech.

fossten on August 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Oh…so it is okay if the cops are out of control if it is “barely” a town and the mayor is “only part time.

pseudonominus on August 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM

I’m just issuing that as a reason why the county cops would have no idea who this po-dunk mayor is, and frankly wouldn’t care. He’s not some big-shot politician.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Yeah, I would bring it inside.

But according to your logic, the cops now have probable cause to kick down your door and kill your dogs.

Are the cops supposed to assume first that it must be a mistake that it was delivered to her and prove otherwise before they can do anything?

Absolutely. That’s why our criminal justice system is based on “innocent until proven guilty.”

e-pirate on August 8, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Another victory in “THE WAR ON DRUGS!©”.

mylegsareswollen on August 8, 2008 at 1:41 PM

I’m just issuing that as a reason why the county cops would have no idea who this po-dunk mayor is, and frankly wouldn’t care. He’s not some big-shot politician.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Yeah, if they knew he was a politician, they would have probably just asked for their cut of the profits. You know, “look after your own”.

LevStrauss on August 8, 2008 at 1:42 PM

I think this “mayor” doth protest too much. Maybe he’s a dealer.

faraway on August 8, 2008 at 1:42 PM

I agree with Ed on this. First off, there is no such thing as “destroying all the evidence” there is always something left behind. Always. Just need to find it.

Also, yes, it’s tough being the good guys. You have to play within the rules. But that’s why you are the good guys. Letting cops be the bad guys by violating the 4th amendment (and worse, by killing innocents by mistake) is not a very good solution to the problem.

lorien1973 on August 8, 2008 at 1:42 PM

rather see someone who is not harming anyone
LevStrauss on August 8, 2008 at 1:39 PM

The drug trade is extremely violent. Most people who deal in pot also deal in other things. For you to assume that just because the substance is harmless that the trafficking of it is also harmless is extremely ignorant.

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:43 PM

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:43 PM

So was the alcohol trade during prohibition, but I don’t see beer distributors shooting at each other anymore.

LevStrauss on August 8, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Who would have 32 lbs of pot to be used to set up a mayor?(yes in a 2,000 person town EVERYBODY KNOWS the mayor’s house is)

The evidence room in the local police dept. might be a good place to check.

SaintOlaf on August 8, 2008 at 1:44 PM

This is the main reason I think the war on drugs is stupid. It takes individuals rights away and sets up a quasi-police state.

This was a failure in the 1920′s and it is a failur now. People will get high, get drunk, screw around etc. And no matter what you do they will continue to do it. I think the gov has a duty to protect the young. To arrest and kill drug pushers that sell to the young no matter the age of the pusher. But as far as adults I believe in freedom to do what you want. Only when your actions harm someone else should you be a crimnal. If you drive under the influence you shoould be thrown in jail for years. etc. Fighting while drunk? 6 months jailtime. etc. Outlaw the actions not the drug itself.

unseen on August 8, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Heck, this is the kind of “police state” style tactics you hear about happening in Chicago all the time. I think those cops involved will soon be “former” cops, and that will be the least of their worries.

pilamaye on August 8, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Romeo13 on August 8, 2008 at 1:26 PM

I agree, poor intel,poor follow through, if they were tracking the package from AZ, and from what I have read, they may have checked out the people involved along it’s route among other things. In concept they may have taken the right course, but with all of the apparent holes in this one questions need to be raised and answered as to who was responsible for this particular execution.

bbz123 on August 8, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Are we saying the mayor should be treated differently than you or I?
faraway on August 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM

Darn skippy! Mayors, Senators and other legitimately elected officials (which he is) should be given at least a little more consideration than Joe Schmoe when the boys and girls in blue want to go kicking doors in. It’s a privilege that comes with the post.

Why would county cops know where every mayor of every little podunk town lives?
faraway on August 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM

Maybe because they (hopefully) did their effing research before crashing in like a horde of Vikings???

Dark-Star on August 8, 2008 at 1:45 PM

jimmy the notable on August 8, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Your biggest issue seems to be with black markets, there are really easy ways to eliminate them, deregulation.

LevStrauss on August 8, 2008 at 1:45 PM

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