Via Hot Air…….

Ok, how about that little bill that McCain was attempting to push through (contrary to the will of the public) with his good buddy Ted Kennedy? Do you remember that? You know, the one that would have turned the entire country into a defacto sanctuary city. If you want to turn this discussion into a dissection of McCain/Kennedy thats perfectly fine with me. If you don’t remember I think we’ve all been down that road before as well. But seeing as some of us are a bit prone to forget I’m perfectly happy to dig up the past again if you wish.
Zetterson on August 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM

You are the one that is the only person here brining up McCain/Kennedy. Not me.

Again, like I said to MB4, i know what you are trying to do. And it isn’t going to work.

Three Sources has posted this examination of the tax plans of Obama and McCain. Originally posted at PaWaterCooler…

This is worse than the day I found out that there is no Santa Claus.

NoDonkey on August 8, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Well, on that we agree.

This is worse than the day I found out that there is no Santa Claus.

Obama.

Interesting how you so-called “conservatives” turn every negative thread regarding your beloved Obama, into an anti-McCain thread.

Why do you continue to slog the hard road here? I’m sure if you went over to Daily Kos, you’d find plenty of friends there who agree with your desire for McCain to lose to Obama.

NoDonkey on August 8, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Well not exactly. What really disturbs me is how little McCain and Obama disagree with eachother. Sure, sometimes it’s hard to tell because they both lie but once you open your eyes it is clear that the only true difference between the two is their previous positions on the war in Iraq. McCain was right about the surge, Obama was wrong. Now they both agree that the troops should be able to begin withdrawing in their first terms as president. And they sure both understand the importance of lettus pickers. McCain may come out and try to say things conservative sounding now and you are welcome to believe him if you like. I know better though. He’s lied to me too many times before. He’s stabbed me in the back too many times before. You guys have fun at the voting booth this year. Unfortunately there are no candidates worthy of my vote.

Had John McCain made any part of Arizona a sanctuary for illegals, Zetterson?

Has John McCain been involved with an ACLU lawsuit against the government to prevent them from asking the legal status of suspicious people stopped while in a car, Zetterson.

And Zetterson, did John McCain co-author the memo with Jamie Gorelick to build a wall between agencies of the government to prevent them from sharing vital information that could have led to the capture of the 9/11 hijackers?

Because I would really like to see any facts you’d want to present that would show as much.

wise_man on August 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Ok, how about that little bill that McCain was attempting to push through (contrary to the will of the public) with his good buddy Ted Kennedy? Do you remember that? You know, the one that would have turned the entire country into a defacto sanctuary city. If you want to turn this discussion into a dissection of McCain/Kennedy thats perfectly fine with me. If you don’t remember I think we’ve all been down that road before as well. But seeing as some of us are a bit prone to forget I’m perfectly happy to dig up the past again if you wish.

Winning the war in Iraq is the most important issue of our time. Irrelevant details regarding interrogation techniques are not.

Don’t worry, I won’t say anything bad about your beloved Obama.

Interesting how you so-called “conservatives” turn every negative thread regarding your beloved Obama, into an anti-McCain thread.

Why do you continue to slog the hard road here? I’m sure if you went over to Daily Kos, you’d find plenty of friends there who agree with your desire for McCain to lose to Obama.

NoDonkey on August 8, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Thats quite an argument there NoDonkey. Completely gloss over the substance of what I wrote, counter it with a general statement and then move on to an unproveable “maybe”. Did you learn that tactic in debate class?

In terms of national defense John McCain is a horrible candidate. See, two can play at that game. But wait! I know your next move! You are going to say something about how Obama’s worse. Like a turd in a punchbowl.

Has John McCain been involved with an ACLU lawsuit against the government to prevent them from asking the legal status of suspicious people stopped while in a car, Zetterson.

And Zetterson, did John McCain co-author the memo with Jamie Gorelick to build a wall between agencies of the government to prevent them from sharing vital information that could have led to the capture of the 9/11 hijackers?

Because I would really like to see any facts you’d want to present that would show as much.

Next time you make a claim that is not based on fact that is meant to mislead others, remember me. Because I am probably going to reply to your comment and refute what is factually incorrect.

wise_man on August 8, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Duly noted, but which might you be referring to?

Sounds like the policy or a sanctuary city created by Gavin Newsom, or Richard Daley. And while not in a sanctuary city, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that the ACLU had something to do with that. And if the cops couldn’t communicate with the feds, you could also thank Jamie Gorelick

wise_man on August 8, 2008 at 1:52 PM

I think you left out John McCain. Don’t forget about him!

Zetterson on August 8, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Next time you make a claim that is not based on fact that is meant to mislead others, remember me. Because I am probably going to reply to your comment and refute what is factually incorrect.

If it weren’t for McCain, it’s possible that the surge never would have happened, which the Democrat’s dream of a chaotic withdrawal, under fire, would have became a reality.

That was not a position he took because the media liked it, or because he wanted to get along with the Democrats, but because it was the right thing to do.

If the surge had failed, it would have been the end of McCain’s career, so perhaps you would have had your mythical “conservative” candidate.

Who would have lost 50 states to Obama or Clinton, due to the complete disaster in the Middle East. You think the Republican brand is tarnished now . . .

Unfortunately for everybody who lost their lives 2 days later it was against the law for the cops to inquire as to the current legal status of the driver and the car’s passengers

Sounds like the policy or a sanctuary city created by Gavin Newsom, or Richard Daley. And while not in a sanctuary city, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that the ACLU had something to do with that. And if the cops couldn’t communicate with the feds, you could also thank Jamie Gorelick

What’s this “we’ve” you speaking of? Over the last few weeks, I have been commenting with about the same 3 or 4 people on a more regular basis than you. As a matter of fact, I don’t recognize your name at all.

I’ve got my suspicions about who this “we” thing is, and not individuals making comments all by themselves. It’s one of the things that I’ve been prevented from commenting on. Talk about wanting to ’shut people up’ and free speech and all that…

wise_man on August 8, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Now I’m just hurt! But whatever wise_man, the next time this subject comes up and you decide to spam again, you’ll remember me… I hope.

“On the issue that actually matter, McCain is a liberal. That is all I care about.”

So national defense, doesn’t matter?

NoDonkey on August 8, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Many things about McCain trouble me from a national defense perspective. For instance, he doesn’t give a crap about who is and is not in our country right now. On Sept 9th 2001 a couple highjackers were stopped for speeding. Unfortunately for everybody who lost their lives 2 days later it was against the law for the cops to inquire as to the current legal status of the driver and the car’s passengers. I wonder if those innocent people who counted on the governemt to keep them safe would be alive today if not for politicians like McCain sacraficing national security for fear of being labeled racist? Or fear of losing the latino vote in Arizona?

Don’t get me started on McCain’s position in regards to what our military interrogaters can and cannot do when attempting to extract information from murdering scum for the purposes of national security. God forbid we shine lights too brightly or play loud music or Ahhhhhh! Waterboard! The horror. I am haunted everyday by the fact that KSM gave up a “treasuretrove” of information after he got waterboarded. I have trouble sleeping at night because I know I should have sided with John McCain and sacraficed more American lives so as not to be to mean to the man who plotted 9/11.

We’ve explained to you before that..
Zetterson on August 8, 2008 at 1:29 PM

What’s this “we’ve” you speaking of? Over the last few weeks, I have been commenting with about the same 3 or 4 people on a more regular basis than you. As a matter of fact, I don’t recognize your name at all.

I’ve got my suspicions about who this “we” thing is, and not individuals making comments all by themselves. It’s one of the things that I’ve been prevented from commenting on. Talk about wanting to ’shut people up’ and free speech and all that…

So national defense, doesn’t matter?

You keep staying consistent, you anti-McCainiacs, you’re about as predictable as a turd in the punchbowl and twice as persuasive.

NoDonkey on August 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Well thank you NoDonkey, I’ll take that as a compliment. Afterall, you just never can guess whats going to pop out next from that little black mouth of Mr Hankey’s. And lord knows, when he speaks, we listen.

Posting a link to a hotair article on McCain that lists and categorizes his actions as a senator – on a page about McCain on hotair that directly quotes the author’s comment – to debunk another commenter’s opinion that is without merit is not spam, Zetterson.

There are a ton of legitimate criticisms about McCain. This claim based on emotion, not fact is not one of them.

wise_man on August 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM

No, what makes this spam is we’ve been through this before. We’ve explained to you before that the ratings system does nothing but tabulate a series of votes in which each unimportant issue carries with it the same weight as the few very important issues facing our nation right now. On the issue that actually matter, McCain is a liberal. That is all I care about.

But whats the difference? I’m sure you’ll just go ahead and post the same meaningless spam as soon as this same debate crops up in another thread.