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Obama’s populist rhetoric returns

posted at 9:35 am on August 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Ruth Marcus doesn’t exactly sound disappointed [see update below] to hear Barack Obama shift back to the populist rhetoric he used during the Democratic primaries.  She asked Obama about his sudden shift away from market-based objectives as he toured the states in which Hillary Clinton creamed him, and — tellingly — whether oil companies had any more moral guilt than other corporations.  Obama’s answer, and his shifts, provide a clear picture of someone who adopts positions for political expediency rather than conviction:

Yes, but what does Obama himself believe? “I think oil companies are amoral. They want to make as much money as they can for their shareholders, which is what corporations do,” he says. “The difference is the nature of the kind of outsized profits they make that may have no relationship to their investments or their production. The fact, for example, [that] the shortage of refinery capacity could actually increase their profits so the less they invest the more they make indicates that you are not dealing with someone making widgets out there.”

Obama circled back to our conversation when a questioner at yesterday’s town hall meeting asked why he singled out oil companies. This time his answer ventured beyond refinery capacity and widgets.

“So the question is, does it make more sense for the oil companies to pay for it or does it make more sense for the struggling waitress who is barely getting by to pay for it?” he said. “And the answer is, I’m going to fight for the waitress, not because I hate the oil companies but because I think it’s more fair.”

Oil companies haven’t built refineries in 30 years not because they want to keep profits high, but because environmentalists won’t let them build refineries.  Every time one gets proposed, a blizzard of lawsuits and regulatory hurdles follow, eventually making the construction of refineries impossible to justify.  Oil companies would much rather refine oil for consumption domestically, but thanks to these burdens, we now have to import — at greater cost — 20% of the refined gasoline we use, as well as 70% or more of our crude oil.

Beyond that, the waitress/oil company argument says something more.  Obviously, we sympathize with the waitress, but does that mean we hobble oil companies, especially when the pricing of oil has little to do with the corporations and everything to do with international supply and demand?  We could in fact help both the “waitress” and the American oil companies by expanding domestic production, which would create American jobs and allow American oil companies to compete better against the massive, state-owned foreign oil companies around the world.

What Obama sees as more “fair” is just another way of saying that he wants government to pick winners and losers.  It’s class warfare with a smile, or rather a pitying condescension that winds up pitting people against each other rather than looking for the best solution for the nation as a whole.  Waitresses and oil companies are not opponents or enemies in a free market, but that kind of recognition escapes populists and those who prey on class-warfare impulses for political gain.

It’s interesting that Obama reverted to this populism while touring Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan.  Hillary bested him in all three states in the primaries despite using the same populist tripe, although Hillary busied herself with the same kind of rhetoric.  Perhaps Obama thinks that being the last populist in the race will allow him to reverse his losses in the latter stages of the primary campaign, but even Marcus thinks this could be a miscalculation.  It distances Obama again from the center and emphasizes his status as a big-government, tax-and-spend liberal.

Will the electorate buy yet another shift from Obama?  Or will they see him as an opportunist, a chameleon who has changed his political appearance so often that no one can tell who he really is?

Update: On re-reading the column, I may not have characterized Marcus’ column and approach fairly.  She does sound at least skeptical about Obama’s shifts.  As one reader pointed out, Marcus hardly sounded supportive of Obama’s efforts on energy policy in her column yesterday:

The same can’t be said for his deja-vu-all-over-again proposal to release oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (see Al Gore 2000, John Kerry 2004), or for his $1,000-per-family “energy rebate,” a whopping $65 billion cost to be paid for with a windfall-profits tax. Just a month ago, Obama was saying that there was no need to tap the reserve and that such a move should be saved for a “genuine emergency.” Oil was more than $140 a barrel then. It’s less than $120 a barrel now. What’s changed, except for the better? Still, as gimmicks go, tapping the reserve is a more effective one than a gas tax holiday.

As for a windfall-profits tax, if you want to produce more energy, it hardly makes sense to give oil companies less incentive to make investments. Nor does it make sense to tax companies because market conditions boost their profits — any more than homeowners and shareholders should be penalized for selling during a boom.

Obama, too, has descended to misleading. He accuses McCain of wanting to give $4 billion in tax breaks to oil companies — without mentioning that this is no special oil-only deal, just part of McCain’s proposal for an overall reduction in the corporate tax rate, something Obama has said he’d consider. Does that put him in the pocket of Big Oil, too?

As always, read the linked material and judge accordingly.


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Ruth Marcus didn’t have enough knowledge to ask Obama the simple question: “If you are fighting for the waitress, why did you say only two months ago that you were happy with gas prices going up, you just wished the price went up a little slower?”. Obama has a habit of denying things that he absolutely did say, even when there is a recording of his remark. I also wonder why McCain is not running commercials every day on television with the infamous Obama quotation.

Larraby on August 7, 2008 at 9:38 AM

Every time one gets proposed, a blizzard of lawsuits and regulatory hurdles follow, eventually making the construction of refineries impossible to justify.

Obama should be campaigning against Big Law.
Piling on John Edwards?

jgapinoy on August 7, 2008 at 9:39 AM

The more Obama talks, the more transparent he becomes.

coldwarrior on August 7, 2008 at 9:39 AM

“Fairness” is an intellectually vacuous argument, because it’s entirely subjective.

What’s “fair” to Barack, may not be fair to others.

It’s mushy thinking. But it’s understandable for a man who has never accomplished very much and is utterly inexperienced.

He’s never had to deal with objective standards. He’s always got what he wanted – it was “fair” that he was promoted above other people who had worked harder and who were more qualified.

Why? Because he’s Barack Obama and they were not.

This guy is a pinhead. Anyone seriously considering casting a vote for this guy this fall, is severely delusional.

NoDonkey on August 7, 2008 at 9:41 AM

Obama’s answer, and his shifts, provide a clear picture of someone who adopts positions for political expediency rather than conviction:

What? This is new and is HUGE NEWS. I had no friggin idea!!!

This guy is SUCH a moron.

benrand on August 7, 2008 at 9:42 AM

Oil companies haven’t built refineries in 30 years not because they want to keep profits high, but because environmentalists won’t let them build refineries. Every time one gets proposed, a blizzard of lawsuits and regulatory hurdles follow, eventually making the construction of refineries impossible to justify. Oil companies would much rather refine oil for consumption domestically, but thanks to these burdens, we now have to import — at greater cost — 20% of the refined gasoline we use, as well as 70% or more of our crude oil.

Bingo! Tru dat, playa! Thanks for reiterating that point, Ed.

You are correct, too. We all do sympathize with the struggling waitress, but what Senator Obama proposes would put an alternative idea into the oil companies heads……go out of business. Why continue to do business when the government would eat more and more of your profit? So that is an alternative for the oil companies. If an oil company decided that it was no longer profitable to stay in business and closed, the supply would be decreased dramatically and prices would skyrocket.

What does this really get too? I think he actually agrees with Maxine Waters that the government should socialize nationalize the oil industry.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 7, 2008 at 9:43 AM

Will the electorate buy yet another shift from Obama?

The shape-shifter can get away with a lot. Too many swing voters make decisions based on airhead reasons.
“He’s cute.”
“He has a nice smile.”
“We need a black president.”
“He makes my leg tingle.”

whitetop on August 7, 2008 at 9:44 AM

What Obama sees as more “fair” is just another way of saying that he wants government to pick winners and losers. It’s class warfare with a smile, or rather a pitying condescension that winds up pitting people against each other rather than looking for the best solution for the nation as a whole.

Which is at the heart of Marxism.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 7, 2008 at 9:47 AM

How many gallons of gasoline did the oil companies bring to the market place to earn that profit? There is that pesky arithmetic again.

There’s that evil profit, again. There’s that implication that gasoline is so necessary to modern lifestyles that it is a right, just like health care. Those doctors owe us and should work for free because we have a right to life, except the life that hasn’t been born yet, and would be an inconvenience.

rockhauler on August 7, 2008 at 9:47 AM

Obama’s vague, but positive rhetoric about hope and unity is giving way to an appeal for vengeance. He’s now banking on voters being as bitter as he said we were. It’s pathetic, and I think most people will see through his Chavezian promise to loot oil companies and distribute the money as $1000 bribes to voters.

His vision is looking more an more like a socialist-Utopian dictatorship where everything is either mandatory or forbidden, and success is punished while failure is rewarded.

forest on August 7, 2008 at 9:48 AM

Order now, and we’ll throw in a second Gaffe-omatic for free!

wccawa on August 7, 2008 at 9:48 AM

“The fact, for example, [that] the shortage of refinery capacity could actually increase their profits so the less they invest the more they make indicates that you are not dealing with someone making widgets out there,” –Hussein.

A guest on Bill Bennett’s show the other day, and energy expert from American Enterprise or Heritage, I forget, said that there is actually excess refinery capacity right now since, although there has been no new refineries built in some time, some older and less efficient refineries have been shut down while capacity was added to some other refineries using more up-to-date and efficient technology.

Akzed on August 7, 2008 at 9:49 AM

“So the question is, does it make more sense for the oil companies to pay for it or does it make more sense for the struggling waitress who is barely getting by to pay for it?” he said. “And the answer is, I’m going to fight for the waitress, not because I hate the oil companies but because I think it’s more fair.”

“From each according to his ability to each according to his need” – Karl Marx (1875).

“A chicken in every pot” – Herbert Hoover (1928).

Barack Obama: Hope and Change and New Ideas!

Outlander on August 7, 2008 at 9:50 AM

For all of you Trekkies out there, I think we change Senator Obama’s name to Senator Odo or Senator Changeling.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 7, 2008 at 9:50 AM

On another site (TCSDaily), I debated a typical leftwinger, who assured me that if the oil companies really wanted to build refineries, they would just instruct their bought and paid for legislators in Washington to change the law and eliminate these lawsuits.

MarkTheGreat on August 7, 2008 at 9:52 AM

This is reminiscent of Obama’s answer to Charles Gibson in one of the primary debates, on increasing the capital gains tax. Gibson suggested history shows such an increase would actually decrease revenues to the govt. Obama replied, even so, he was still for it in the name of fairness. Even if it produced less revenue, taxing those more who make capital gains is, for him, good in itself, out of “fairness”. I’ve never understood why the left despises big business. Maybe someone can help me out here. Obama’s recent TV commercials have been skewering “big oil”. Is it because the left is envious of anyone who makes money? Do they think if person A makes money they’re taking it out of person B’s pocket? It is because they dislike concentrations of power? Is it based on the socialist credo, everyone should be equally miserable? I tend towards the envy angle, which isn’t pretty, and which I really don’t get, even though I hardly have 2 nickels to rub together myself. Call it populism, or class warfare, I guess it appeals psychologically to those short-sighted type who’d like a bit more money in their own pocket, who aren’t thinking long-term or about what’s good for the country.

Paul-Cincy on August 7, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Yes, let’s get those evil oil companies, and their CEOs, and their stockholders, and their employees, and the companies that do business with them, and their CEOS, and the shareholders of those companies, and the employees of those companies, and the companies that provide services to the employees of the oil companies and the companies that do business with them, and their CEOs, and their employees.

Pretty soon you have the story of the “Economy that Barack unbuilt.”

fleiter on August 7, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Why the McCain campaign chose to come out with that bit about “battling Big Oil” is beyond my comprehension.

It is bullshit to start with, and it couldn’t possible have been timed worse.

Oh, I forgot. He’s just so Mavericky!!!

hillbillyjim on August 7, 2008 at 10:00 AM

He’s fighting for the waitress? Give me a break!

Waitresses care that the price of gas is going higher and higher, people don’t eat out much when food prices and gas prices are high. Restaurants close down and then said waitress is out of a job. And Obama thinks the price of gas should be higher?

He has no clue about waitresses.

becki51758 on August 7, 2008 at 10:01 AM

The fact, for example, [that] the shortage of refinery capacity could actually increase their profits so the less they invest the more they make indicates that you are not dealing with someone making widgets out there

If this were true, there would only be one grocery store in each city.

MarkTheGreat on August 7, 2008 at 10:01 AM

We could in fact help both the “waitress” and the American oil companies by expanding domestic production, which would create American jobs and allow American oil companies to compete better against the massive, state-owned foreign oil companies around the world.

o stop making sense…
:)

trailortrash on August 7, 2008 at 10:05 AM

After Obama tackled Big Oil, the poor waitress will have none.

Simple as that.

Sir Napsalot on August 7, 2008 at 10:07 AM

In the late 1970s a large refinery was to be built inland in northern CA. The environmentalists tied up the pipeline routing as did local communities. After years of court battles the refinery was cancelled and built in Indonesia. 5000 construction jobs were lost as well as that supposedly evil corporate “outsourcing” of jobs and capital occurred. We are adding refinery capacity by expanding the facilities that exist since the permits are easier to obtain and the infrastructure exists. But that is a stopgap measure and has not given us the capacity we need to cover shutdowns from all causes.

amr on August 7, 2008 at 10:07 AM

Paul-Cincy on August 7, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Plus, Barry always conveniently forgets to mention that “big oil” is owned by shareholders. That’s all of us. His proposed $1000 bribe to waitresses comes out of our pockets, perhaps even other waitresses who own stock, and is essentially a tax on individuals who own stock, plus driving up the pump price as corporate management struggle to regain the loss, and finally increasing the government tax revenues associated with pump price increase. Wealth redistribution at all levels. Frank Marshall Davis would be so proud of him. Heck, even his own father would be proud of him,….finally. Perhaps, that’s what is really driving him.

a capella on August 7, 2008 at 10:09 AM

Will the electorate buy yet another shift from Obama? Or will they see him as an opportunist, a chameleon who has changed his political appearance so often that no one can tell who he really is?

Eddie, you kill me with these rhetorical questions!

Thanks for the laugh!

drjohn on August 7, 2008 at 10:10 AM

I’m going to fight for the waitress, not because I hate the oil companies but because I think it’s more fair.

“The earlier one learns that life isn’t fair, the better off one is.”

Unknown author

ConservativeLawStudent on August 7, 2008 at 10:11 AM

“The difference is the nature of the kind of outsized profits they make that may have no relationship to their investments or their production. The fact, for example, [that] the shortage of refinery capacity could actually increase their profits so the less they invest the more they make indicates that you are not dealing with someone making widgets out there.”

Is this an argument for more refinieries? Sounds like it to me.

drjohn on August 7, 2008 at 10:11 AM

What if the waitress has a 401k with investments in the oil companies?

Texas Rainmaker on August 7, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Waitresses vote.

Time to launch Waitresses for John McCain. Have them ask, Senator Obama how will inflating my tires fill up my tank with gas?

Buy Danish on August 7, 2008 at 10:12 AM

Ya gotta love how Obama uses the “little people” to make his points…

That waitress…

That guy who lost his job and couldn’t afford gas to get to a job interview…

That soldier who handed him a note in Iraq…

And many many more.

Has ANYONE kept track of this? Are these people to which The One refers living breathing people with real names? Or are they merely rhetorical strawmen The One uses to dupe the public? [Hint: Think the wonderful Land of Oz.]

coldwarrior on August 7, 2008 at 10:12 AM

I’m going to fight for the waitress, not because I hate the oil companies but because I think it’s more fair.
“The earlier one learns that life isn’t fair, the better off one is.”

Unknown author

ConservativeLawStudent on August 7, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Indeed.

Fair is make sure everyone has the same everything no matter how hard one works or how much effort one makes.

Didn’t someone write that?

John Lenin?

>sarc<

drjohn on August 7, 2008 at 10:13 AM

I would clarify that driving up tax revenues due to increased price is then offset by decreased use, just like capital gains tax. He can’t seem to understand that.

a capella on August 7, 2008 at 10:14 AM

Just to make sure, I want to understand this for a moment. We’re upset because Obama expressed concern for the Waitress? That Bastard.

Snake307 on August 7, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Snake307,

Isn’t it wonderfull how liberals are never quite able to figure out what other people are talking about.

MarkTheGreat on August 7, 2008 at 10:17 AM

Doesn’t the profit margin take into account the amount of investment, or lack thereof? And aren’t the oil companies’ profit margins in line with those of other major industries? I think I know the answers to these. Either Obama doesn’t know, or he’s lying.

mikeyboss on August 7, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Is this an argument for more refinieries? Sounds like it to me.

drjohn on August 7, 2008 at 10:11 AM

He certainly has little regard for the intelligence/curiosity of the average voter,..someone needs to clue him in about the internet and the ease with which information can be found.

a capella on August 7, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Just to make sure, I want to understand this for a moment. We’re upset because Obama expressed concern for the Waitress? That Bastard.

Snake307 on August 7, 2008 at 10:16 AM

No. We’re upset because Obama wants to help the waitress at the expense of others. In this case, it’s oil companies. Rather than introducing ideas that would help both the waitress and the oil companies, and for that matter, everybody in between.

ConservativeLawStudent on August 7, 2008 at 10:20 AM

Obambi uses the same shell game when he talks about “dirty oil” using leases that they have. The leases that Obambi is talking about have so many issues concerning ownership and exploration to see if there is enough oil there to justify drilling. It could takes years of litigation to resolve what would certainly follow by the environmentalists.
Obambi has legislation pending that would block oil companies from determining the oil reserves on future leases on shore and off shore. He doesn’t even know what he doesn’t know about oil production. What he does know is that environmental, moveon wackos will make him toe the line.

sheriff246 on August 7, 2008 at 10:21 AM

Near as I can figure is this. The McCainiac Republicans are going over each comment with a fine tooth comb. Upset about Obama’s idea that gas at the higher price, which would and did reduce use, was a good thing. Then he claims to be concerned for the Waitress over the effect that the price has on her.

Here’s the problem. The problem is more identifiable with the Maverick, in all honesty. The Maverick and his gang of Moderate Republicans linked up with the Moderate Dems who formed the Gang of 14. This really was a gang. Because if you didn’t kowtow to them, you had no hope of getting your legislation through. It was political racketeering.

The Maverick opposed drilling until this year, even in January, of this year, he opposed drilling. Yet, that flip flop is ignored by the McCainiac Republicans. The fact that we’re in this mess now is largely due to the Mavericks unwillingness to vote for Drilling when the Republicans had a good sized majority.

So keep straining the statements to find some flip or apparent flop of Obama. Yet, I think our candidate is much worse, much more guilty of the evil hypocrisies and the real oppression of the people.

Of course, I’m a Conservative First, and not a Republican first.

Snake307 on August 7, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Snake307 on August 7, 2008 at 10:16 AM

We’re ragging on him because he lied about the reasons more refineries haven’t been built.

a capella on August 7, 2008 at 10:24 AM

Snake307 on August 7, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Just to make sure, I want to understand this for a moment. We’re upset because Obama expressed concern for the Waitress? That Bastard.

I’m concerned because he’s taking a socialist position.

A growing economy will be good for the waitress. Obama’s plans for punitive taxation and wealth redistribution will damage the economy – not good for anyone in the long run.

I’d be happy to have honest discussion with liberals, but I think your snarky question was disingenuous to begin with, so you’re going on my “ignore the troll” list with Alphie from now on.

forest on August 7, 2008 at 10:27 AM

Just to make sure, I want to understand this for a moment. We’re upset because Obama expressed concern for the Waitress? That Bastard.

Snake307 on August 7, 2008 at 10:16 AM

No, we’re annoyed that Obama wants to pursue foolish and demonstrably ineffective economic policies that will end up harming our entire economy, which will be bad for every American — including that waitress Obama professes to be so concerned about.

But you’re right about the “bastard” part.

AZCoyote on August 7, 2008 at 10:27 AM

Snake307 on August 7, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

a capella on August 7, 2008 at 10:28 AM

The Maverick opposed drilling until this year, even in January, of this year, he opposed drilling. Yet, that flip flop is ignored by the McCainiac Republicans. The fact that we’re in this mess now is largely due to the Mavericks unwillingness to vote for Drilling when the Republicans had a good sized majority.

Snake307 on August 7, 2008 at 10:23 AM

You’re right. he did oppose drilling when they could have pushed it through, and I disagreed with him them as I do anyone who opposes it now. But the situation has changed- oil is now over $120/barrel, and gas is over $4/gallon. Hence the “flip-flop.” It is one thing to flip flop when the situation changes, quite another to do it when it is politically expedient.

ConservativeLawStudent on August 7, 2008 at 10:36 AM

Bravo… Well said Ed. You are wise beyond your years.

saltydogg14 on August 7, 2008 at 10:38 AM

Barry is a Marxist, and the waitress/oil company paradigm is how Marxists make themselves out as heroic. Much bigger hoax than any other perpetrated by anyone anywhere, and the body count is in the hundreds of millions where Marxism brought despots to power.

Bill Ayers and Barry don’t talk about anything much more than how badly the market makes decisions and how they can make it more “fair”…and deal harshly with anyone who gets in the way.

It is what these people do. If the US became another Zimbabwe, would Obama give his meal to the waitress, go hungry so she could eat? I think not.

Harry Schell on August 7, 2008 at 10:40 AM

From http://www.energytomorrow.org

As API Chief Economist John Felmy has noted: “When politicians seek to punish these companies and ‘take their profits,’ they are not targeting industry executives but the hard-earned savings of working people.”

A study by economists Robert J. Shapiro and Nam D. Pham found:

* Almost 43 percent of oil and natural gas company shares are owned by mutual funds and asset management companies that have mutual funds. Mutual funds manage accounts for 55 million U.S. households with a median income of $68,700.

* Twenty seven percent of shares are owned by other institutional investors like pension funds. In 2004, more than 2,600 pension funds run by federal, state and local governments held almost $64 billion in shares of U.S. oil and natural gas companies. These funds represent the major retirement security for the nation’s current and retired soldiers, teachers, and police and fire personnel at every level of government.

* Fourteen percent of shares are held in IRA and other personal retirement accounts. Forty five million U.S. households have IRA and other personal retirement accounts, with an average account value of just over $22,000.

43 + 27 + 14 = 74% shares owned by individuals

Yep. From one pocket to another. His $1000 stimulus/rebate/tax credit or whatever it is now is going to be just like the previous “stimulus” (sold as a tax rebate) where individuals that did not even pay taxes received money.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 7, 2008 at 10:40 AM

He certainly has little regard for the intelligence/curiosity of the average voter,..someone needs to clue him in about the internet and the ease with which information can be found.

a capella on August 7, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Something tells me that The Messiah is probably a fan of Fahrenheit 451

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 7, 2008 at 10:43 AM

The thought just occured to me: GOLD prices are at its historic high for a long time now, clearly someones have been making a HUGE profit!

Let’s tackle ‘Big Gold’ companies. Fair is fair, I want my share!

Sir Napsalot on August 7, 2008 at 10:45 AM

The “no new refineries being built” line may be true, but can be misleading. Down here in SE Texas (TS Edouard went over my head Tuesday) its refinery heaven. The original Gulf and Texaco (Motiva and Valero now) refineries are right down the road. Both are under multi-million dollar renovation and expansion projects that are going to dramaticly increase their production. I agree more refineries need to be built…but that doesn’t mean nothing is being done.

Spider79 on August 7, 2008 at 10:48 AM

I provide this solely as a momentary distraction from yet another Obamanagerie of wind related opinions from the Dem candidate.

She was standing in the kitchen preparing to boil eggs for breakfast, wearing only the ‘T’ shirt that she normally slept in. As I walked in almost awake, she turned and said softly, ‘You’ve got to make love to me this very moment.’
My eyes lit up and I thought, ‘I am either still dreaming or this is going to be my lucky day.’ Not wanting to lose the moment, I embraced her and then gave it my all, right there on the kitchen table. Afterwards she said, ‘Thanks,’ and returned to the stove, her ‘T’ shirt still around her neck. A little puzzled, I asked, ‘What was that all about?’
She explained, ‘The egg timer’s broken.’

Syd B. on August 7, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Spider79 on August 7, 2008 at 10:48 AM

You are true that some refineries have been renovated and expanded. It’s a major legal challenge from environuts to hurdle. BP in northern Indiana wants to renovate and expand to start the refining of oil sand from Canada. Guess what’s holding it up? But trying to get a new refinery built? That’s fought even harder by the envirotards.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 7, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Obviously, we sympathize with the waitress, but does that mean we hobble oil companies, especially when the pricing of oil has little to do with the corporations and everything to do with international supply and demand? We could in fact help both the “waitress” and the American oil companies by expanding domestic production, which would create American jobs and allow American oil companies to compete better against the massive, state-owned foreign oil companies around the world.

Is the waitress more important than all the oil comapany employees (of which many are low-level) that will likely lose their jobs because of the restrictions and overall demonizing Obama and the Dems will throw at them?

Rick on August 7, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Sir Napsalot on August 7, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Tru dat, playa. Where’s my cut of da bling-bling?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 7, 2008 at 10:56 AM

comapany = company

Rick on August 7, 2008 at 10:57 AM

HARWOOD: “So could these high prices help us?”
BARACK OBAMA: “I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment.” (CNBC, 6/10/08)

“I’m going to fight for the waitress, not because I hate the oil companies but because I think it’s more fair.”

So, lemme’ see if I got this straight…

Tax the so-called “windfall profits”…Which will be passed on to the waitress, in the form of higher prices, albeit “gradually,” and also decrease the value of her 401k plan.

Looks to me, he’s got that waitress in a strangle-hold.

franksalterego on August 7, 2008 at 11:05 AM

The similarities between Obama and Hugo Chavez are eerie.

Last nite i saw an interview of Chavez conducted in 1998 when he was running for the presidency of Venezuela; in the interview he kept reiterating how much Venezuela needed change and how sick Venezuelans were of the same old politics and how he was going to bring that needed change the nation was craving. He said he was going to unite the nation of Venezuela in a common effort to end divisive politics that only he would be able to transcend.

He was also pressed in the interview to reassure voters about his past radical associations and his leftist ideology and he said it would be silly to think that he would do anything to harm Venezuela, that he believed in democracy.

sound familiar?

Obama is Chavez lite (at least Chavez had military experience)

elduende on August 7, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Snake307 on August 7, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Liberals are a bit simple, aren’t they? Thinks this is a story about a waitress. Give one a copy of “Atlas Shrugged” and it’d think that it is about trains.

Rodent on August 7, 2008 at 11:10 AM

Looks to me, he’s got that waitress in a strangle-hold.

franksalterego on August 7, 2008 at 11:05 AM

Further proof it’s just the same old politics. I’m thinkin’,.. the Kennedy/Dodd waitress sandwich. What is it with the donks and waitresses?

a capella on August 7, 2008 at 11:15 AM

Thanks for quoting the waitress example, because I had forgotten that Obama is really a man of the people. See the following from the US News & World Report political newsletter:

The Minneapolis Star Tribune reports, “More than 350 generous campaign contributors — some of them donating $28,500 to dine with a presidential candidate — cheered Democrat Barack Obama on Wednesday at an exclusive fundraiser for him at the Hilton Minneapolis Hotel. … It cost $1,000 to attend the general reception at which Obama spoke. His campaign didn’t disclose how many people donated $5,000 to have their picture taken with him. But 50 people paid $28,500 each to dine privately with him.”

Now that’s the REALLY, TRULY public financing he promised. It’s great to see him getting contributions from the little people.

glendower on August 7, 2008 at 11:18 AM

the Kennedy/Dodd waitress sandwich.
a capella on August 7, 2008 at 11:15 AM

She had better be a banker who can arrange preferencial interest rates whilst doing the breast stroke.

Syd B. on August 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Yes, let’s get those evil oil companies, and their CEOs, and their stockholders, and their employees, and the companies that do business with them, and their CEOS, and the shareholders of those companies, and the employees of those companies, and the companies that provide services to the employees of the oil companies and the companies that do business with them, and their CEOs, and their employees.

fleiter on August 7, 2008 at 9:54 AM

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But wait, that’s pretty much all of us, isn’t it?….

Think_b4_speaking on August 7, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Oil companies haven’t built refineries in 30 years not because they want to keep profits high, but because environmentalists won’t let them build refineries.

Refineries are enormousley expensive Ed. An oil company will not build a refinery at all if they can find a way to avoid it. The number of American refineries in operation has fallen to about half of peak at this point, although they are still refining the same amount of oil due to increases in efficiency.

At this point, I’m not sure that there would be any realistic benefit to building many new refineries with their multi-decade amortization. The reason they would do so at all is related to geography and not capacity. How much crude is self to refine in the US, Canada and Mexico, and what is the likelihood that the production will exceed current capacity by a great enough amount to justify the expense of adding refineries? I’m content to take a cue from the oil companies themselves if they start complaining about the lack of capacity.

Exxon says more domestic production and less regulation requiring custom refining.

Immolate on August 7, 2008 at 1:43 PM

That waitress is going to be out of a job pretty soon, because people are deciding it isn’t worth it to pay $4 a gallon to drive to a restaurant that is now charging for water, cutting its portions, dimming the lights, and trimming its menu due to the high cost of energy, food, and shipping. Not to mention the Democrats’ gift of a minimum wage increase slapped on her employer. The restaurant and food industries employ 15 million people. Obama apparently does not care if they are all out of work. He’ll just hand them more checks for $1000.

rockmom on August 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM

“The fact, for example, [that] the shortage of refinery capacity could actually increase their profits so the less they invest the more they make indicates that you are not dealing with someone making widgets out there.”

One problem with this variety of analysis is that refining isn’t terribly profitable right now. No one is much interested in building a new refinery in the U.S. because they don’t make money. The oil companies are making money on crude oil production, not on refining.

jl on August 7, 2008 at 1:51 PM

And aren’t the oil companies’ profit margins in line with those of other major industries?

At 7%, oil company profit margins are below most other industries.

MarkTheGreat on August 7, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Look at all the jobs that environmentalist are stopping!

No Refineries! It takes Lots of people to build maintain and run refineries..

No Drilling, It takes lots of people to build rigs, do the exploration, and for the people to actually do the drilling, and then the shipping of it.

No Coal, Lots of people Coal miners, and lots of people in the shipping of coal..

Then they talk about all these “Green jobs”, well.. they are cutting off all the realistic jobs that currently exist today and not allowing for new ones to open up…

Chakra Hammer on August 7, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Drill now. Drill as needed. Drill where the oil is. That’s your long term relief.
 
Build refineries now. Strip away the ability of envirofreaks to block refinery construction. That’s our mid term relief.
 
Release oil from the strategic reserves to be paid back as the drilling bears fruit. Half the oil is restored to the reserve and half is released to the public. Once the reserves are topped up release all oil to the public. Add taxes to the oil and use some of the proceeds specifically for research into viable alternative energy sources and energy storage media. Make the taxes high enough the price of Americal oil is a little higher than would be international market prices. Take those taxes to reduce taxes to citizens across the board to make our wages more internationally competitive.
 
We get immediate relief (reserves), mid-term relief (refineries), and long term relief (drilling). The reserves get filled back up. And we leverage the oil to make American labor internationally competitive.
 
That seems to me to be a win, win, win, and win … and win proposal. It also has the advantage of utterly trumping Obama’s raid on the reserves. “Mr. Partial Solutions”, where’s the change from business as usual in your proposal?
 
{^_^}

herself on August 8, 2008 at 3:46 AM

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