Obama: “America is no longer what it once was”; Update: Rush reacts
posted at 11:25 am on August 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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When presidential candidates answer questions from children about why they want the job, most will give an answer that uplifts the child and the candidate. Not Barack Obama. At a campaign stop in Elkhart, Indiana, a seven-year-old girl asked the Democrat why he wants to be President — and he told her that America has gone downhill:
“Sometimes it’s easier to hold onto your own stereotypes and misconceptions. It makes you feel justified in your ignorance. That’s America.”
LIMBAUGH: Alright, now here’s he’s brought it home. He had trashed his country in Germany, he has seen the result of that in his plummeting poll numbers. And now he does it again in Elkhart, IN. A 7 year old little girl. You’re running for President Sen. Obama, a little girl asks you a question, “Why did you start running for President?”
It’s a 7 year old Senator. Ya tell her because you love the country. You tell her because this is the greatest place on Earth. That we’ve got challenges, but you want to help the country through it. You don’t tell a 7 year old that her country isn’t what it once was. You do not lie to 7 year olds and tell them that your country sucks. You just don’t do it Senator.
America’s no longer what it could be? What it once was? How the Hell would you know Sir? Your experience has only been in one part of America. Elite, leftist academia.
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Memo to the McCain campaign: Collect all of these and save them for October.
Then, use them to the maximum effect. Up to the last weekend before Election Day.
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Keep talking, Barack Obama! Keep talking!
Believe it or not, we’re taking notes! Oh yes, we are!
newton on August 7, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Fixed that for ya.
Kevin71 on August 7, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Hey Dusty, give El Rushbo a call tomorrow and ask him how he managed to avoid the draft during the Vietnam War… just for “yuks” betwixt you and me.
J_Gocht on August 7, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Obama being in the position he’s in and who is in the position to possibly become the most powerful man in the world is proof of that (no matter how unworthy I may think the man is). Such a thing wasn’t possible not too long ago. It seems all I keep hearing about are predictions of doom, gloom and despair if The One isn’t anointed. So much for Hope eh Senator?
Vote for Obama – or else the Apocalypse will be unleashed upon you!!!
Yakko77 on August 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM
OK guys, no one will do it here, so here I come…
This is a point-blank question to that jerk, J_Gocht. And I expect an answer.
Do you fully and completely support plans for Nuremberg-style war-crimes trials for each and every Bush Administration official, beginning with the lowest appointee and ending with President Bush himself?
Do you want to see jail time? Life imprisonment? Freeing of all terrorists imprisoned since 9/11/2001?
Do you support the incarceration or ostracism of every Conservative, whether it is from the media, academia, or any other industry? Do you support “re-education facilities” for those incarcerated or ostracized?
Do you support the outlawing of the Republican Party? A one-party state?
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Again, I do expect an answer.
newton on August 7, 2008 at 6:56 PM
“before 2000 AD” Who knows!! My guess is that it is an excuse to bring up Kennedy moments so he can throw his jacket over his shoulder and prance around in full Kennedy mode. I have also been noticing some TV commercials with black actors aping O and JFK’s mannerisms, and I don’t think they are mere coincidence. LOL
jeanie on August 7, 2008 at 6:57 PM
I can never quite wrap my mind around statements like these, made by anti-American, nay-saying, commie-Libs, like this guy.
Is he yearing for the good old days, when America was better than it is now? Is that what he’s saying?
Does he despair for the better times of the past, when America used to be a great country? Is that what he’s saying?
I have trouble placing these things within the same universe as the one that these jokers seem to live in at other times:
The America that has always been an imperialist, oppressive place, where the little guy is slammed down, where racism reigns free, and where slavery and discrimination appear to be facts of present day like. At least for these jokers.
How can he today despair for the good ol’ days, at the same time decrying what a terrible place American has historically been?
I am sooooo confused.
seanrobins on August 7, 2008 at 7:04 PM
Who would have guessed that Obama is yearning for the Reagan years too!
Spirit of 1776 on August 7, 2008 at 7:13 PM
Do you know the answer to that question, Mr. J_Gocht_douche? If you don’t now the answer to the question, then how dare you ask it, as if you think there is an illegitimate reason?
Not knowing your age, I can’t speculate on whether you would have been subject to the Vietnam-era draft, but if nto, certainly someone in your family. Can you please list for us their dates and places of service, and if not, the rationale for their failure to serve. If you are of the appropriate age: Please give us your dates and places of service, or the basis upon which you evaded the draft.
You, sir, are a moron.
If you had any real interest in the topic which you have chosen to impugn someone whom you probably do not even listen to, you would know (1) the reason, and (2) that the reason is legitimate.
Finally, how much time and/or money have you donated and/or raised for support of causes to aid vets and/or their families. A dollar? Sixty-two cents? Anything?
Have you personally donated to the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation more than $2 million in the last year, and helped to raise over $33 million in the past 13 years for this worthy cause.
Have you given millions more to military causes, and in aid of the families of veterans?
I didn’t think so.
You, sir (and/or madam) are an ass.
Have a nice day.
seanrobins on August 7, 2008 at 7:13 PM
You’re great! Love it!
newton on August 7, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Thanks. This guy’s such a dimwit.
seanrobins on August 7, 2008 at 7:17 PM
1] No; however, impeachment proceedings would be most appropriate.
2] Only if convicted in a legitimate court of law of a most heinous crime such as murder.
2a] No; however they should be subject to our established laws of jurisprudence.
3a] No.
3b] No.
4a] Absolutely not, there wouldn’t be any reason for fun like this and for Democrats.
4b] Of course not. You’re jerkin’ me, right?
H&K’s newton!
Mon apologies for being so negative, despite all my exceptions!
J_Gocht on August 7, 2008 at 7:18 PM
Why don’t YOU call him tomorrow and ask him, jerk?
Of course, you will run the risk of being pwned and humiliated on the air, before 20 million + listeners…
I’ll be listening! And waiting…
Come on! I dare ya! We ALL dare ya!
newton on August 7, 2008 at 7:19 PM
And that is what John McCain needs to start doing right now. That 22 second clip is perfect for a 30-second TV commercial.
Kevin71 on August 7, 2008 at 7:21 PM
You don’t H&K me. You don’t dare to do that to pregnant me without a very negative answer.
Besides, Impeachment? Haven’t you noticed how many times that has been brought to the table by UFO Dennis Kucinich and John Conyers? Every time, the results are the same: no go.
George W. Bush is going to serve until the last hour of his term. I can guarantee it! And when he’s retired, he has every right under TX law (The Castle Law) to keep his rifle dry and ready for the inevitable invasion or attack from the lunatics.
newton on August 7, 2008 at 7:34 PM
This is a guy who took his two young daughters to a church where the minister accused the US of attempting genocide against black people and, in his more reflective moods, used expressions like “ridin’ dirty.”
As long as “white folks’ greed runs a world in need,” childhood will have to wait.
Infidoll on August 7, 2008 at 7:42 PM
I’m a contributor to and a member of…Vietnam Veterans against the War [VVAW] and Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans against the War [IAVA].
I’m a member of the Vietnam War Veterans, Chapter 7 of Wisconsin.
I have not; I should consider making a donation.
Many monetary service donations are something of a problem for a geezer like me. Perhaps you could make a donation in my name?
I also wish to thank you for your personal concern; not however, so much for your description of me personally, as a veteran of the Vietnam War.
J_Gocht on August 7, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Gosh Newton, mon apologies!
Guess you haven’t caught my posts before?
That’s “Heckler and Kochs”, Hon!
Not; hugs and kisses.
Oh, Ooo… now I’ll catch holy red rosy for “Hon”!
Dang!
Does being preggers make you cranky in the evening too?
J_Gocht on August 7, 2008 at 7:53 PM
http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.asp
for those who would like to see why Rush was not side by side with J_Gocht.
One could make the case that the money is to assuage his conscience. Or make excuses for the big man.
Bradky on August 7, 2008 at 7:58 PM
J_Gocht,
You must be a member in good standing of John Kerry and Hanoi Jane Fonda’s Vietnam Veteran’s Against the War.
You can save your protestations to the contrary for your Maoist buddies. Now run along back to the fever swamps, you are going to be late for another “Breasts not Bombs” protest.
Nahanni on August 7, 2008 at 8:06 PM
The next question then is whether the general public also got dismissals based on this presentation. If so, it’s a non-issue, right?
I’m personally interested, but I don’t really think Rush needs to defend himself on this score, frankly because the whole effort, like the pain pill stuff, is just to try to invalidate his conservative argument with non-relevant history. Or as Obama would have it, distractions.
Spirit of 1776 on August 7, 2008 at 8:06 PM
I’ll say it as plainly as possible here.
If you have any problems with Limbaugh, why don’t YOU go and tell them to HIM? Why don’t you go and tell them like men?
Seriously.
There’s an 800 number to call. Why won’t you just do it? Everyone knows that phone no.
We’ll be listening. And waiting…
newton on August 7, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Rush doesn’t drop in on HA very often so the information is for whoever wishes to read it. But the fact is that Rush doesn’t like to answer this one and has dodged it in the past.
And in case you might wonder I was all for the Bush defenders in regards to the national guard non-story.
I respect those who can answer candidly on issues that are not always pleasant. Waffling is for Kerry…
Bradky on August 7, 2008 at 8:12 PM
J-Gocht
Rush is 1 year younger than me. There was no draft then, it was a lottery. I enlisted and served in Nam and ran into losers like you all of the time.
You got drafted, boo hoo! That’s no excuse for not making something of your life. Get over your envy!
Vince on August 7, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Oh, one more thing to add: you would not be the first ones to do so. Just check the fool who called him today.
newton on August 7, 2008 at 8:13 PM
I haven’t watched or listened to Rush in 15 years. Are you auditioning for a guest spot on his show? Put the incense down – he is only human not the messiah.
Bradky on August 7, 2008 at 8:14 PM
But what about the free thinkers, like most of the Republicans like me who dislike Bush and believe what Obama said is no different than what Bob Barr has said on several occassins?
Please no. We want to win. We need the Independents, the undecideds, the Libertarians and the Reagan Dems. We don’t want to have them write John McCain off as a nasty partisan wingnut loon like the unhappy big guy….
We have like almost 200 million voters in the US, and Rush’s audience is only like 20 million.
His audience is a drop in the pan in the scheme of things….a mere minority.
AprilOrit on August 7, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Vince, I’m not from that generation. I was born just as Watergate was going on. Vietnam is ancient history to me.
So, there was a draft, and later a lottery. When did that lottery began? When did it end?
(I know you weren’t directing it to me.)
newton on August 7, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Bradky on August 7, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Yeah, I’m not saying you are head-hunting. I was just commenting that the link you provided leaves me with more questions. Like whether that was a common deferment. The pattern of it’s usage will tell us something.
Spirit of 1776 on August 7, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Add Sean Hannity’s audience number to that mix (14 or 15 million). And Glenn Beck’s (number that I don’t know).
Then add the number of those who listen to the things the audience in those shows tell them. (Family, friends, people in the military, etc.)
newton on August 7, 2008 at 8:19 PM
What makes you think I’m smelling incense? I’m as clean as a whistle.
Besides, I only have one Messiah of my devotion, and He doesn’t need a radio or TV show – or anyone else – to tell me the Truth.
newton on August 7, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Rush isn’t running for office, what’s the big deal?
I’m a member of Veterans Who Don’t Hold Myself to a Higher Standard Just Because I Served.
Personally, I’ve never understood the whole military service argument with regard to politicians. Do we really want a government run by ex-military?
Kerry was blasted because he was a lying crap-weasel who flaunted his unimpressive service in his campaigns for Senate and President.
Not to mention it has absolutely nothing to do with the context of his remarks.
reaganaut on August 7, 2008 at 8:24 PM
No worries..you can find tons of Obama footage on youtube
;)
Bradky on August 7, 2008 at 8:24 PM
True, but those people don’t like McCain and may not vote. The Far Right part of the party isn’t happy. We need to cover our bases with the others.
AprilOrit on August 7, 2008 at 8:32 PM
newton
The lottery was held from 1969 through 1973 I believe. I think the first drawing was for everyone born in 1950 and so forth. My number was 330 something, I don’t remember exactly. I enlisted because that’s the way I was raised. I think we were short changed by the politicians but I did not suffer the degree of betrayal that the South Vietnamese did.
Vince on August 7, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Well, this explains a whole heck of a lot! Were you, perchance, part of the same conspiracy to assassinate a sitting U.S. Senator that John F’in Kerry was back in ca.1971-1972 as his contribution to VVAW?
Unfortunately, a few (and I do mean a few, because many of the alleged VVAW were phonies from the top down) from that era turned on their country. I do not thank you for your service since joining VVAW.
(I am not familiar with IAVA, so I won’t comment on them)
seanrobins on August 7, 2008 at 8:35 PM
You are so wrong, my friend. Soooo very wrong.
seanrobins on August 7, 2008 at 8:37 PM
[J_Gocht on August 7, 2008 at 6:49 PM]
I don’t do impersonations of morons, J. You want the question asked, then call him yourself.
Dusty on August 7, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Add me to that club also, Reaganaut, albeit I wore the uniform with PRIDE, as I’m sure you did too.
irongrampa on August 7, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Man, I hate to emulate all the McCain shills around here, but I really can’t understand why a Republican or a conservative would want to trash Rush.
YOU’RE A BUNCH OF LYING LIARS WHO LIE ABOUT RUSH LIMBAUGH!!!
misterpeasea on August 7, 2008 at 8:43 PM
I am fairly confident – regardless of how nauseating the McCain choice is to us in the “Far” right, that we are not so stupid as to mistake the Obamacommie for a conservative come November.
Even Glenn Beck – who has been suffering from something during thsi election cycle, I’m not sure what – will take stock in his voting booth, and ask if he could really risk a President ObamaScum, and he’ll effectively vote against him.
seanrobins on August 7, 2008 at 8:45 PM
If this is true, and I don’t doubt that it is
How would you know this?
Oldnuke on August 7, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Considering the fact that if this country was what it used to be, Obama would not be where he is…this is a very strange comment.
Terrye on August 7, 2008 at 9:02 PM
J_Gocht on August 7, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Did you serve in the Vietnam war? What’s your point?
Keemo on August 7, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Hey Newton, I can’t afford a subscription for “Rush 24/7” do you think you could wrangle me a freebee?
Anywho…
I heard a guy from Lakeland, Florida, that identified himself as a “true conservative”.
He then procceded to pluck a couple of painful shorthairs from Rush’s tender bits…
First he nailed him on his flipper with respect to Paris’s energy plan and than proceeded to ream him on Operation Chaos and getting him to send a $100 to Hillary!
He flummoxed Rush speechless; if you can imagine that?
El Rushbo hung up on a “true conservative” from Lakeland Florida!
WOW!
J_Gocht on August 7, 2008 at 9:09 PM
darwin on August 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
It’s Algebra. An negative plus a negative is a positive. Is that right, math is not my strong suit? Sorry I am just getting around to reading this thread.
Cindy Munford on August 7, 2008 at 9:09 PM
seanrobins on August 7, 2008 at 7:13 PM
Nicely stated Sean…
Keemo on August 7, 2008 at 9:11 PM
THAT was not a “conservative.” That was a troll.
Besides, isn’t that ancient history, anyway?
Why do you hate him so much?
newton on August 7, 2008 at 9:16 PM
He hasn’t answered it – only dodged the questions. If he had it would be widely available or one of his fans would have linked to it by now.
By your logic you seem to be saying that you would need to watch all episodes of Olberman to voice a criticism of him.
The Deferments were the worst decision made for Viet Nam -particularly college deferments. Many public/famous people who are Rush’s age who befefited from these deferments seemed to take one of two sides; a. Very pro troops and quick to label any people who have the least bit of reservations about a war as traitors or b. Very vocal against any and all military actions and quick to paint their actions as “looking out for the boys and girls in uniform”
IMHO, both sides smack of guilty consciences based on their youthful experiences.
Bradky on August 7, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Your recollection is at variance with events.
But bookmark this post and we’ll consult the transcript of today’s show when it is available tomorrow.
seanrobins on August 7, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Because to be a Republican means to be a free thinker.
We do not walk in lockstep like the otherside…
AprilOrit on August 7, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Yea, but huge numbers of “those people” are beginning to decide that as much as they dislike McCain, they cannot stand the thought of America being
transformeddestroyed into Amerika by the uber-Marxist Obama.They will vote for McCain, but with a clothespin on their nose.
electric-rascal on August 7, 2008 at 9:26 PM
By the way: Your vietnam service does not necessarily insulate you from criticism if – as with John F’in Kerry – you come back and subsequently dishonor that service or your country.
Of course, I am referring to Kerry – about whom we all know much – and not yourself, about whom we only know: (1) you served in Vietnam, and (2) you’re a member of a contemptable bunch of cretins, the VVAW.
The VVAW did enormous damage to this country, and to honest, patriotic, country-loving veterans who came back and – courtesy of VVAW’s efforts – were spat upon, called baby-killers, discriminated against, and were subjected to a whole host of other despicable things.
Why, if you do not share those feelings, you would be a part of VVAW, I cannot imagine. But that is what we know about you, from what you’ve told us.
seanrobins on August 7, 2008 at 9:27 PM
You’re absolutely right.
I will be doing it with an air-sickness bag hung around my neck.
seanrobins on August 7, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Hmmmm, ….. nyaahhhh!
To be a true conservative is to think freely. Forget the Republican stuff. The GOP is in big doo-doo, and we’ve got a lot of work to do to fix it.
Republicans – as opposed to conservatives – have a lot more of that “lock step” thing going on.
seanrobins on August 7, 2008 at 9:29 PM
[Keemo on August 7, 2008 at 9:06 PM]
His point is to be a relativist moron to hijack threads, Keemo and mau-mau critics opposed to his positions with the idea that irrelevant accusations or imputations wins arguments.
The thread is about how you talk to children. Rush weighs in on it. I kudo it and J_Gocht goes Andalusia on me. Asking me to ask Rush some stupid irrelevant question to show that Rush’s judgment is inferior on the subject of how to respond to a kid because he didn’t serve in Vietnam!!! LOL, it’s moronic.
What is funny about Obama’s answer is that it is totally contrary to, and I presume here but I don’t think it a stretch, his sympathy for the esteem-building approach to education. (He certainly does wrt juvenile criminals.) And to show you how idiotic his answer was, just mimic esteem-building supporter’s critique of Obama’s answer to the kid: “It will scar him for life, leaving him despondent, depenedent on drugs, and unable to hold a steady job, yada, yada, yada. Yet, Obama gives the kid the glass half empty treatment on the US of A..
J_Gocht can’t enlighten us as to his arguments on the subject of how to talk to a child and defend them as well. He wants me to talk about Rush’s service in Vietnam. It’s retarded.
Dusty on August 7, 2008 at 9:31 PM
I harbor no racist guilt, bigotry, homophobic attitude or affinity for the adhominem attack on any person.
J_Gocht on August 7, 2008 at 9:37 PM
We’ll take the clothespin, that’ ok.
I personally stand behind McCain and support him without vomit bag or clothespins, but to each his own.
AprilOrit on August 7, 2008 at 9:42 PM
This is why I love Rush Limbaugh.
iamse7en on August 7, 2008 at 9:44 PM
A negative plus a negative = a negative.
A negative TIMES a negative = a positive.
But that’s only in mathematics, and only by definition.
seanrobins on August 7, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Come, come now Dusty, I stated very clearly why I agreed with Senator Obama…
J_Gocht on August 7, 2008 at 9:53 PM
All I did was ask a question.
That’s an assumption you made which is without merit. Nothing I wrote would indicate any such line of logic. again I merely asked a question I drew no conclusions.
I do find your example a little illogical though. If indeed I had not watched any media of Olberman for 15 years I would find it difficult to either praise or criticize him. I wouldn’t even discuss him.
I was, and still am, just curious how you know he doesn’t like to discuss this issue. I listen to him on a fairly regular basis and have since I retired. On at least two occasions I’ve heard him address this issue and forthrightly stated pretty much what Snopes said. He didn’t dodge it at all. Whether or not he likes to discuss it I don’t know. He didn’t seem to be upset by it. I’d think that if he really wanted to dodge it he could have just said “My number was not called, I was never drafted.” Which was true.
I’m not sure I’d agree that the deferments were the worst mistake with Vietnam but they were certainly part of it. Vietnam was a very divisive time for America. Feelings run high on both sides. This will pass with time. I lost most of my bitterness when we liberated Kuwait and I saw how our troops were greeted when they came back. Things had changed. I still harbor a little bitterness, I loathe Jane Fonda and will till I die.
Again I wasn’t implying anything, just curious about what you said.
Oldnuke on August 7, 2008 at 9:53 PM
This just isn’t good for my children! /s
wepeople on August 7, 2008 at 10:09 PM
To the Left, America has NEVER been good. It was founded by racists WHITE MEN!
SouthernGent on August 7, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Guess what folks…it isn’t. However Obama doesn’t get the irony of his statement seeing as how he’s part of the problem and not a solution.
The people who formed this nation would vomit if they saw the kind of power we’ve given to the federal government. They are most likely spinning in their graves at a people who continue to vote for two political parties that clearly don’t have the best interests of the citizens in mind. Our apathy would boggle their minds.
Benaiah on August 7, 2008 at 10:17 PM
All you non-idiots out there should know better than to waste time trying to reason with creepy trolls like J-Gocht
and dumb trolls like Bradky
Neither of them ever shows any indication of any specific substantive knowledge on any subject beyond the 8th grade level. All you get are talking points, cliches, pop culture references and the usual smarmy leftist bullsh+t
Janos Hunyadi on August 7, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Rush was correct. Hussein is a racist, anti American, Marxist.
dogsoldier on August 7, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Apparently….America hates America!
crr6 on August 7, 2008 at 10:56 PM
“We’re decadent, racist and rotten through and through
This is not the America I thought I knew”
Obie 1 Kenobie
MaiDee on August 7, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Wow! I just started reading this flame thread and all I can say is that it’s a good thing this discussion isn’t occuring in a bar or beer bottles would become weapons in a hurry.
I didn’t hear all of Rush today, but I did hear him say something to the effect, that if, as Obama claims, America isn’t as good as it used to be, what time was it, exactly that it was any better? Not saying that America doesn’t have problems, but was it better before the Civil Rights Act? Better before Affirmative Action? Before the War on Poverty? If we’re not as good as we used to be, when was this heyday, Senator? /end paraphrase
I agree with Rush. Obama and his ilk have always hated this country in spite of the blessings that they themselves have benefited from personally. Why? Because they use it as a battering ram to destroy this country’s heritage and institutions, so that they have an excuse to recast it into the socialist image that they will personally profit from at the expense of the ‘rabble’. They use this the same way that the other race hustlers do to try to make us feel guilty for things we didn’t do, so we voluntarily surrender our fortunes and power to them.
And many self loathing dopes fall for it, hook, line and sinker.
pistolero on August 7, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Alrighty.
This clown can’t even maintain the simplest integrity and honesty within the same comment thread. I don’t understand why you guys are indulging him so much. If he even actually was a vet, he’s proven he has no honor by the organizations he claims to belong to.
Django on August 7, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Wow, a bunch of drunks defending the indefensible.
Ain’t that special…not.
Anyone who falls prey to pills and booze is considered the one who is the self loathing one actually.
AprilOrit on August 7, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Operation Chaos?
Winebabe on August 7, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Tsk tsk my sweet. For nigh on two years now you have resorted to calling me names, which is usually the only gist of your posts to most people, silly handle notwithstanding.
I hope that someday you are able to learn to be confident in who you are and not find your satisfaction in calling people names over the internet…remember the Messiah loves you.
Bradky on August 7, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Exactly, thanks for the proof.
I don’t get Rush, he was kicking and screaming back in 2006 about being a water carrier for the GOP, yadda yadda and how he wasn’t going to do it anymore.
And he’s at it again, carrying the water for the Far Right, who in reality – are so out of touch with America it’s absurd. And of course they cannot see beyond their own backyards so they just do not get it – they always think they are either right or in the majority – which makes it absolutely freakin’ ridiculous.
AprilOrit on August 7, 2008 at 11:43 PM
I don’t “know” but his reaction as mentioned on snopes leads me believe that is the case. Snopes has a copy of the transcript and the link to the audio.
On a more important “debating point” I think that the availability of the deferments allowed kids with money or access to college to stay out of the war. A parent who has a child in combat may have a little more ownership in expecting the military to fight to win…
I feel the same way about Fonda but I think I have more animosity toward the several thousand people who ran to Canada that got amnesty from Carter years before the Wall was built…
Bradky on August 7, 2008 at 11:56 PM
He was going to say “no longer rocketing leftward”–as it had been from FDR to Jimmah–but caught himself.
jgapinoy on August 7, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Michelle describes some primitive psychological defense mechanisms and with her superior snotting laugh seems to imply that this is American evil rather than our fallen nature (or, for you agnostics, human imperfection). No wonder she’s so upset about actually having to pay for her education. Apparently her education only excelled in teaching her how to malign America.
snaggletoothie on August 8, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Rush is an entertainer whose forte is social and political commentary. He plays to his audience and he understands what they want to hear. All he does for three hours a day is talk and his audience is huge. Apparently a lot of people like what he says. He’s pretty far right but I wouldn’t put him way over in the kook fringe.
Do you listen to his program? Your comments seem to indicate that you do.
Oldnuke on August 8, 2008 at 12:16 AM
We have all the ass clown libs out tonight! Bradky – slow night at DU? April – coke all gone? Well, join cervix and J-Crock and make up some fun stories. You’re like fleas on Limbaugh’s tail.
Jaibones on August 8, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Ahh shucks Jaibones.. didn’t know you still cared so much.
Bradky on August 8, 2008 at 12:20 AM
So you agree with Obama. But come, come, J, is that what I posited? No, it isn’t. Here it is again:
Now point me to the comment you posted where you explained this was the proper approach to take with a child, as opposed to Rush’s approach, which I noted was my preference.
Dusty on August 8, 2008 at 12:33 AM
There is a lot of assumption here that J_Gocht is a veteran of anything other than “poster seminars”. The other day of Hugh Hewitt some guy called in claiming to be a just returned vet from Iraq in the 6th whatever. Hugh asked him what his MOS was. He hadn’t a clue what that meant.
J_Gocht is busily goggling MOS at this moment.
For those interested my MOS was 91A. S.E. Asia 1969. J_Gocht doesn’t even understand what that was about.
Oh yeah, American imperialism, I forgot…Tool.
chewydog on August 8, 2008 at 1:23 AM
I think we can bring math concepts into the Obama presidential run.
For those that are math inclined: What is the result when you divide a postive (America) by a zero (Obama)?
electric-rascal on August 8, 2008 at 3:50 AM
I don’t know if J_Gocht got spit on when he came back from RVN, but he is sure the hell getting spit on a lot here.
I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity. May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
- Dwight D. Eisenhower, 5 star General and 34th President of the United States of America.
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
- Mark Twain
[Faux] Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what [the hell] he is hollering about.
- Mark Twain
We teach them to take their patriotism at second-hand; to shout with the largest crowd without examining into the right or wrong of the matter — exactly as boys under monarchies are taught and have always been taught. We teach them to regard as traitors, and hold in aversion and contempt, such as do not shout with the crowd, and so here in our democracy we are cheering a thing which of all things is most foreign to it and out of place — the delivery of our political conscience into somebody else’s keeping. This is patriotism on the Russian plan.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on August 8, 2008 at 4:53 AM
Good Lord man, why not? Don’t all the “Great Americans” commenting here make you proud?
MB4 on August 8, 2008 at 5:14 AM
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