Good news: Anthrax trutherism starting to swirl
posted at 9:54 pm on August 7, 2008 by Allahpundit
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It’s still mostly inchoate, with “respectable” commentators willing to commit to nothing sturdier than the occasional dark hint, but a more assertive theory will arrive soon enough in full flower. You know which way the story’s headed even if it’s not there yet: Bush/Cheney did it to create a “climate of fear” which could then be exploited to lead the country to war in Iraq. Why they supposedly chose to do it how they did, with those strange letters indicating a single source, is impenetrable to me. To gin up invasion fever, logically you’d want multiple attackers and something more damning than “Death to America” pointing back to a Saddamist plot. In fact, that’s always been the biggest hole in Trutherism proper (why make 15 of the hijackers Saudi instead of Iraqi?) so it’s nice to see it show up here too. Tradition. Continuity.
Trutherism v1.0 has quietly been in decline for some time now so it’s nice to think the guys at Screw Loose Change will have something new with which to amuse themselves and us. Get cracking!
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Dems don’t kill people (unless Geo Bush makes them).
BobH on August 7, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Any of you guys ever see the Monty Python sketch where John Cleese is a health inspector interrogating the head of the Whizzo Chocolate Company, makers of candy with names like Cockroach Clusters, Ram’s Bladder Cup, and–my favorite–Anthrax Ripple?
radjah shelduck on August 7, 2008 at 9:59 PM
Crunchy frog!
Hannibal Smith on August 7, 2008 at 10:03 PM
So Glenn Greenwald thinks that Bush/Cheney is responsible? Really? Hmmm. Which of the two ways to go with this one. First, there’s response A.
I’m just going to have to wait until there is independent verification of this from his sock puppets.
And then, response B.
….. looks like SOMEONE is vying for vacation duties at Olbermann’s show. Someone better tell that Maddow guy to watch out.
I’m torn. I think that A is too obvious, but it’s still good. But B has slightly more …. panache.
wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 10:05 PM
That means you, too, Ron Suskind.
ganeshpuri89 on August 7, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Building 7!!
PattyJ on August 7, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Ascertaining someone’s guilt without the benefit of a trial has to be one of the right’s most endearing qualities.
I’m sure you guys will win back control of Congress this year.
alphie on August 7, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Sorry, but the FBI’s track record in high profile cases lately will feed this more than anything else…
I’m surprised they didn’t name Richard Jewel as a person of interest…
darkpixel on August 7, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Did anyone think it’d last past the Bush admin? I mean, really.
lorien1973 on August 7, 2008 at 10:15 PM
The preposterously lax controls on these deadly items is the real crime.
profitsbeard on August 7, 2008 at 10:15 PM
So now Glenn Greenwald is someone on the right?
wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Why did the anthrax fall at freefall speed? What temperature does anthrax melt? Why was the anthrax told to stand down on 9/11? Why did Bush just sit there and read My Pet Anthrax when he heard about the attack?
Verbal Abuse on August 7, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Inchoate? That there is a pretty fancy word. I would have proposed neo-lunacy.
ParisParamus on August 7, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Get it right. Anthrax is the only thing that can melt steel.
lorien1973 on August 7, 2008 at 10:19 PM
This is ridiculous! (Shaking my head…)
newton on August 7, 2008 at 10:19 PM
We’d love to try him, but he killed himself when he learned the feds were getting close.
amerpundit on August 7, 2008 at 10:23 PM
I’m sure the guys offering mock human sacrifices to Baal, at the bohemian grove, had nothing to do with this.
SaintOlaf on August 7, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Colonel Mustard…in the library…with the candlestick.
SouthernGent on August 7, 2008 at 10:24 PM
It was only a matter of time. Why deal with the problems of today when you can dwell into conspiracy.
DanStark on August 7, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Hey, alphie, your knee jerked so quickly, you forgot to post something that other people might be able to read. Who is “someone”? To whose “trial” and “guilt” are you referring? The President’s? The dead guy’s?
shazbat on August 7, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Heh heh “respectable”.
Like I said in Ace’s thread- now that lefties like Greenwald (who insinuates this as a right wing attack even though Ivins was a Dem) have staked their position, no amount of evidence is going to convince them that Ivins- a Catholic pro-life Democrat- was the real killer.
I suspect that if Ivins were a Republican, the lefties would have little trouble accepting the FBI’s conclusions.
Hollowpoint on August 7, 2008 at 10:27 PM
I disagree… there are a number of bigger holes, IMO… one of my favorites is that somehow the Bushluminati managed to get hundreds, if not thousands, of people to go along with 9/11 and then keep their mouths shut this entire time… but they were incapable of completing the simple task of planting WMDs in Iraq.
RightWinged on August 7, 2008 at 10:28 PM
I hope the moonbats work in the
October surprise angle on this!
I do love intrigue,drama,and
all the mental gymnastics that
moonbattery(bats in the belfry!),
can cram in!
canopfor on August 7, 2008 at 10:30 PM
So we should assume that OBL is innocent? How about Hitler? Sirhan Sirhan? After all, it would be oh-so-insensitive to “ascertain” their guilt being as how they weren’t tried and all.
Hollowpoint on August 7, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Such as Bush announcing at october 2004 that they just captured Obama Bin Laden, (even though he was already in their posession,) canopfor?
wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Ascertaining?
Opining is now ascertaining?
Boy, the “Rove/Bush/Cheney/Snow et cetera, et cetera is a traitor” crowd will be happy to hear that.
SteveMG on August 7, 2008 at 10:35 PM
First they framed Lee Harvey Oswald, then they framed Sirhan Sirhan, then they framed John Hinckley, then they tried to frame OJ Simpson, then they framed Bruce Ivins.
Any one of you could be the next victim of the Vast Right Wing Republican Romulan Conspiracy.
MB4 on August 7, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Why do truthers,who seem to be on par with Pelosi’s
intellect,and are always seeking the truth,keep
following what the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy keeps
telling them?
Me don’t get it! (Sarc!)haha:)
canopfor on August 7, 2008 at 10:38 PM
+100 Interwebz to you sir!
carbon_footprint on August 7, 2008 at 10:39 PM
My head hurts.
Lemon Drop Martini, do your stuff.
The Ugly American on August 7, 2008 at 10:42 PM
So a guy with no motive decides to become a terrorist right after 9/11 and he just happens to be the top government anthrax guru?
When he is finally investigated (7 years later) he “kills himself” before having a chance to deny it or go on trial…
I don’t know why anyone’s freaking out about this.
It’s like Vince Foster…so what? He killed himself.
I’m sure lot’s of people kill themselves with multiple gunshots to the back of the head.
SaintOlaf on August 7, 2008 at 10:42 PM
alphie, what would Ronald Reagan say?
Entelechy on August 7, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Vast Right Wing Republican Romulan conspiracy.
MB4 on Aug 7,2008 at 10:36PM.
MB4: Hey,MB are the VRW Romulans,the off shoot of the
VLW f***ing Judea Peoples Liberation Front?:) haha.
canopfor on August 7, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Who knows what bats lurk in the belfries of the moonbattery? The Shadow Knows.
MB4 on August 7, 2008 at 10:44 PM
alphie, do you know that this dude threatened to kill his psychiatrist? Why, do you think?
Entelechy on August 7, 2008 at 10:45 PM
And just when we thought SaintOlaf couldn’t possible out-crazy himself, he goes and proves us wrong…
Hollowpoint on August 7, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Alphies response to all of the above: Crickets…
surrounded on August 7, 2008 at 10:52 PM
It was the stress of living in Bush’s America. Duh.
Hollowpoint on August 7, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Such as Bush announcing at October 2004
wise_man on Aug 7,2008 at 10:33PM.
wise_man: I’m just havin a little fun with the moonbats!
I’m talkin about thee October surprise,when as
the story goes,in 1980,the Gipper sent George
Bush Sr.over to deal with the Iranians in a
SR-71 Blackbird as Bushs transportation!
Remember how the Left were having political fit,
over that story!————————-:)
canopfor on August 7, 2008 at 10:56 PM
How did you know that Bruce Ivins died from multiple gunshots to the back of the head? That was never released to the public. Ladies and
GermsGentlemen, I believe that we may have discovered the real perpetrator.MB4 on August 7, 2008 at 10:57 PM
I do remember that as well, canopfor.
wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 11:01 PM
The shadows knows.
MB4 on Aug 7,2008 at 10:44PM.
MB4: I’m still chuckling over the bats lurk,and
the shadow knows!
BTW:(tongue in cheek,*rolls eyes*)the Shadow knows,
careful,the moonbats might think its a code,or
cripto somthing,about Hopey/der fippinzee,der
flopponzee! haha:)
canopfor on August 7, 2008 at 11:03 PM
It took the FBI SIX YEARS to circle the wagons around this guy?
How incredibly incompetent of them.
Dave Rywall on August 7, 2008 at 11:03 PM
? Hasn’t the “October surprise” theme of predicting republican shenanigans before the election followed all the elections after the “Bush Sr. flew a SR-71 to europe? I remember Rush playing some democrat lawmaker on the radio “… there is no evidence, therefore, we need to investigate.”
wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 11:03 PM
When people don’t want to get caught, Dave – sometimes it takes years. Especially if they are inside the system. Took them years to find the unabomber, and that break only happened when his brother decided to go forward with what he knew.
wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 11:05 PM
You’re being way too logical…this is supposed to be a fun thread…no?
jerrytbg on August 7, 2008 at 11:07 PM
The Shadow has the power of complete invisibility and is a master of hypnotism. The Moonbattery is no match for his powers to discombobulate them and rattle the bats in their belfries.
MB4 on August 7, 2008 at 11:09 PM
No trial needed to find this guy guilty then, ent?
How American of y’all…
alphie on August 7, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Would it be a waste of time to explain to alphie that Howdy Doody was a puppet and Flash Gordan was a hero?
Rovin on August 7, 2008 at 11:10 PM
They’ve yet to prove to me that Wyoming exists.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 7, 2008 at 11:12 PM
He’s dead Alphie. I’m sure he won’t be inconvenienced in the least.
MB4 on August 7, 2008 at 11:13 PM
How incredibly incompetent of them.
Dave Rywall on Aug 7,2008 at 11:03PM.
Dave Rywall: You mean incompetent like,Hillary knew of
Scott livingstone,who was head of White
House secruity!
And yet when it was hitting the fan for the
Clintons,nobody had a clue who hired Scott
Livingstone!
And,what stands out in my mind to this day
was what Mr.Lanto’s said to Scott Livingstone!
canopfor on August 7, 2008 at 11:14 PM
alllphie…alllphie…alllphie…
jerrytbg on August 7, 2008 at 11:14 PM
It doesn’t. It was just a state that was made up so that Cheney could run for VP.
MB4 on August 7, 2008 at 11:14 PM
So what? Vince Foster killed himself with multiple gunshot wounds to the back of the head. It happens all the time. You shoot and kill yourself and then after you’re dead..you aim and shoot yourself a few more times.
What’s the problem?
SaintOlaf on August 7, 2008 at 11:15 PM
We’re not in a court of law, Alphie.
For someone who says that all necons are war profiteers if they benefitted (somehow) by high gas prices, you sure seem suddenly shy about pronouncing judgments about other people.
SteveMG on August 7, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Kinda like Rusty Tillman, MB4?
He probably has friends and family…
alphie on August 7, 2008 at 11:16 PM
But do these truthers Got the Time?
- The Cat
P.S.
Oh the Wyoming conspiracy goes back further than Cheney. His running was only to support it.
MirCat on August 7, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Josef Mengele was totally innocent!!! He wasn’t standing in front of the Jews, pointing out who deserved to live and who deserved to die. Adolf Hitler was just talking when he talked about Annihilating the Jews. He didn’t really mean it.
It was Roosevelt’s fault!!! He wanted to go to war with Germany to take over the peaceful beer producing Germans’ land. Pearl Harbor was an inside job!!!! Auschwitz was a kids’ summer camp. And the Jews. They wanted to take over the Mandate of Palestine even though they already control the Western world, the banks, the media and whatevs. NO BLOOD FOR BEER!!!!111!!!!!!
I mean, come on, Mengele and Hitler were never convicted of any crime. They were clearly innocent. Just like O.J.
(I’m done with playing idiotic truther)
mjk on August 7, 2008 at 11:20 PM
I’m all for trying him in absentia.
Entelechy on August 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM
alphie, from all appearances, you must have fallen hard.
Entelechy on August 7, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Hasn’t the “October surprise” theme of predicting
republican shenanigans.
wise_man on Aug 7,2008 at 11:03PM.
wise_man:Ding ding ding,you are correct!
Hey,its Liberals who have been caught and
prosecuted,they seem to enjoy an envening
out looking to flatten tires,and using
the dead for voter fraud!
And yup,no evidence on Republicans,so ya
there needs to be investigations!
And voter fraud with Liberals,well they have
a campaign to run,move it along,nothing to see
here montra! :)
canopfor on August 7, 2008 at 11:27 PM
In Alfies words “Es handelt sich um eine Verschwörung”.
Johan Klaus on August 7, 2008 at 11:29 PM
That is funy
WoosterOh on August 7, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Funny even
WoosterOh on August 7, 2008 at 11:31 PM
So did AJ.
Johan Klaus on August 7, 2008 at 11:33 PM
AJ=OJ
Johan Klaus on August 7, 2008 at 11:36 PM
*tips hat to WoosterOh*
wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 11:38 PM
I really think that these moonbats should have
a protection order,
against themselves,
so that,
they should be ordered,to not harass themselves,and
not be allowed to be near themselves for a minimum
of at least 100 feet,
and not be allowed to communicate with themselves!
canopfor on August 7, 2008 at 11:39 PM
I hope you’re joking.
VolMagic on August 7, 2008 at 11:43 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121789293570011775.html
Wall street Journal article re. Dr. Ivins innocence.
SaintOlaf on August 7, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Conspiracies don’t need to be this complicated. Couldn’t it just be that they spread wild fear-mongering guesses about the source of the anthrax (Iraq, they said) in order to gin up support for the war? It’s like 9/11. They don’t have to have been effing involved in it to have used it for dark purposes.
Mark Jaquith on August 8, 2008 at 12:12 AM
We all knew this was the next yet.
AprilOrit on August 8, 2008 at 12:18 AM
The low lying fruits of affirmative action……….
Seven Percent Solution on August 8, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Wyoming…Wyoming…oh, yes, that’s the 57th State, according to His Grand Poobahness, the Sultan of Swat and King of Swing, Lord of Rock-&-Rolla Barackichelle HUSSEIN Obama, the 1st, the One, the Only. (makes gesture of extreme obeisance)
dmh0667 on August 8, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Look, I’m not saying if it’s true or not, but I’m just putting it out there.
Aliens. Did anyone other than me notice that not a single space-alien has denied mailing those letters? I’m just saying.
Kevin M on August 8, 2008 at 1:02 AM
Funny how the Clinton Arkansas Governor and Presidential years had a massive body count (relatively speaking and with actual verifiable connections), and none of these dip sticks like Loose Change or Greenwald etc etc, with their truther conspiracy theories have ever even broached the subject.
But during this current administration, each and every national headline is a truther conspiracy that somehow is connected to Bush/Cheney.
Imagine that.
SilverStar830 on August 8, 2008 at 1:34 AM
Why yes, I do remember canopfor.
MarkTheGreat on August 8, 2008 at 7:09 AM
Trutherism aside, I do think it a little odd/inappropriate for the FBI to basically declare this was the guy after his suicide.
From everything I’ve heard about the case, it would have been a tough one for the prosecution to win. They certainly could have, but it was by no means a slam dunk and there is reason to doubt that this was the guy who spread the anthrax.
He very well could have been and is the most likely suspect, but I think it was inappropriate for the FBI to take in on themselves to declare this guy guilty.
Tom_Shipley on August 8, 2008 at 8:08 AM
I agree. How hard would it be to find that many people to get on board while silently silencing the ones that look at the Bushies and say “Are you crazy?!? I’ll never go along with that!”
Also, the notion that Bush would have thousands of innocent civilians killed yet let some tool with a truther website remain breathing is all the contradictory evidence I need…
ynot4tony2 on August 8, 2008 at 8:36 AM
Why they supposedly chose to do it how they did, with those strange letters indicating a single source, is impenetrable to me.
So, you’re saying you don’t know how people could come to this conclusion even though no one has come to this conclusion?
Tom_Shipley on August 8, 2008 at 8:53 AM
I figure the whole thing is just a cruel prank by those Kappa Alpha Theta bitches to get back at their rivals.
Jim Treacher on August 8, 2008 at 9:40 AM
I figure the whole thing is just a cruel prank by those Kappa Alpha Theta biatches to get back at their rivals.
Jim Treacher on August 8, 2008 at 9:42 AM
If the administration had wanted to create a “climate of fear” they have far more effective and covert tools than this at their disposal.
The real cover-up in this story is going to be the FBI’s official version of why it only took them six years to find a guy that should have been at the top of their list from the moment they traced the strain of anthrax back to Ft. Dietrick (same evidence that made Hatfill a person of interest). This is gross incompetence and, IMO, should result in a bunch of high-level firings.
highhopes on August 8, 2008 at 10:16 AM
If the administration had wanted to create a “climate of fear” they have far more effective and covert tools than this at their disposal.
They did and they were effective, though they were far from covert:
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/15/nation/na-powell15
Tom_Shipley on August 8, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Well thank you very much for bringing up Colin Powell and ruining my Friday!
highhopes on August 8, 2008 at 10:40 AM
ACE:
More trutherism
FBI was told to blame Anthrax scare on Al Qaeda by White House officials
Remember Richard Jewel !!!
Chimpy on August 8, 2008 at 11:03 AM
*whoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoop*
black heliocopters
franksalterego on August 8, 2008 at 5:37 PM
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