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Condi: America will be fine under President Obama

posted at 3:18 pm on August 7, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Indeed it will, unless you believe the power of The One is such that he can lay low even the mightiest of nations. Then again, “fine” is a subjective term. If, as Condi surely does, you think the west’s six-year tap dance over Iran’s nuclear program is a “fine” way of addressing the problem, replete as it is with ineffectual UN sanctions and time aplenty for Tehran to work out the kinks on mastering enrichment, then yeah — by that standard, President O will be just fine.

“I don’t need another job in government with anybody,” she said. “Look, I’m a Republican, all right? Sen. McCain is a fine patriot, and … he would be a great president. But there’s something to be said for fresh blood. And I know that there are a lot of very good people who could be his vice president.”

During the interview in a regal room at the State Department appointed with chandeliers, rich carpets and cases of porcelain, Rice was asked: “Would you feel safe with a President Obama?”

“Oh, the United States will be fine,” she responded. “I think that we are having an important debate about how we keep the country safe. I think we are having an important debate about our responsibilities, our obligations, our interests in the Middle East in the wake of the now increasing evidence of success in Iraq. Those are important judgments for the American people to make.”

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Who said blacks are not racist? Well well well I know the answer and I know a lot of people know why blacks are voting for Obama - was it 92%?

mariloubaker on August 7, 2008 at 6:48 PM

I wish Condi Rice was as good at staying on a loyal message for the team as Jerry Rice was at catching passes.

silverfox on August 7, 2008 at 6:57 PM

My fellow Black Americans,

You only get one first Black President of the United States of America. Are you sure this is the guy ???

silverfox on August 7, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Well you didn’t really expect a black woman to say something negative about Obama, did you?

SoulGlo on August 7, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Rice is not racist. Some of the things Obama’s been criticised for saying are things shes been saying for years. No one picks up on it though.

Did you know for instance that America did not begin the process of living up to the ideal “every [wo]man is created equal” until this black woman became Secretary of State? Well shes said it about a million times.

aengus on August 7, 2008 at 7:08 PM

Having been married, I was under the impression that when a woman says “fine” it means “everything is miserable and it is all your fault.”
So what she said makes perfect sense to me.

TABoLK on August 7, 2008 at 7:10 PM

“The United States of America is an extraordinary country. It is a country that has overcome many, many, now years, decades, actually a couple of centuries of trying to make good on its principles. And I think what we are seeing is an extraordinary expression of the fact that ‘We the people’ is beginning [italics mine] to mean all of us.”

- Condi Rice

aengus on August 7, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Are we sure she didn’t say “fresh Bloods”?

andycanuck on August 7, 2008 at 7:19 PM

“To leave the job undone. The minute Saddam Hussein intentionally dumped 40,000,000 barrels of oil into the gulf and lighted just about every oil well in Kuwait on fire it was clear that he could not be left in control of that strategic part of the world. From my memory, Powell was one of the only people on Earth who thought leaving Saddam in Iraq was a good thing. We see what it ended up costing.”

He was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, not President. He was of the opinion that unfolding massive slaughter of the fleeing Iraqi Army that had abandoned Kuwait was wrong and should stop. The US had achieved the objectives set by both the US and the UN in freeing Kuwait. Lastly and IIRC, he was keeping to the promises made by the President that we would not be toppling Hussein.

I think your calling this idiotic does not reflect well on your judgment in this case.

As to what you say about the Road-Kill Map, I can’t argue with much, though I’d quibble with the implication they other 3 of the quartet were “actively working for the destruction of Israel for decades”. But those three were brought in to create a semblance of evenness that Arabs would not have given to the US as sole negotiator/mediator.

Look, I haven’t followed the interminable “peace talks” in closely, sometimes you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do. I think that is about the only good I do see from them in that it is a treading water exercise while other things are done. Here’s what I see that Bush having done while the Administration treaded water on the R-K Map: they’ve let the Palestinians deal with the consequences of their own actions and decisions starting with their holding elections. They chose anarchy, pain and suffering and have to live with their choice until they change their minds and choose something different.

I see a pattern here in Bush’s approach, with the Palis, with Lebanon, with the Iraqis, with the Europeans on the Iranian question and in some ways on our own domestic front, and that is people make decisions and deal with the consequences. They either learn from it or continue to live with it. I’m not sure what to call it, though. Nothing quite fits. Tough love? It’s misleading. Uncaring? Not at all, or he/we wouldn’t be involved at all. Not a good leader? You can’t lead those who aren’t ready to follow. Dictator? Well, some want him to do everything for them, like fight all the battles they are too lazy or spineless to do for themselves.

I’m a bit off subject on R-K Map, so let me just note I do think his approach will lead to some long term success. After all, his efforts have gotten the Palis to spend more time fighting with each other than with Israel and that, I think, is the first step towards encouraging the Palis to choose where they need to go.

Dusty on August 7, 2008 at 7:23 PM

[carbon_footprint on August 7, 2008 at 6:31 PM]

Sorry, I read into it wrong. My apologies.

Dusty on August 7, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Dusty on August 7, 2008 at 4:38 PM

I agree, obviously I wasn’t making my point very well. No one person can’t take us down. We (not me personally) have lived through much worse than President Carter. It just goes to show you that people’s idea of history starts when they were born. I guess that’s why I am not as upset about our situation now. Even though I have written to my Senators and Representative about the gas prices, I have not really been impacted. Besides the fact that I am conserving, I am older and relatively secure financially.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Yeah, but what about fresh Crip?

ErikTheRed on August 7, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Baldilocks 6:40

I agree big time with that statement. I think as National Security adviser coming up with the plans is a heck of a lot easier then going to the State Dept. where probably 75% want you to fail. And not just WANT you to will do everything within their power to make sure it happens.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Umm, someone needs to get a memo to Republicans like Rice and McCain himself - keep this shit to yourself until after the election, mkay? Until then, STFU agreeing with Obama about tire inflation (McCain, after goring Obama on this came out and said something positive about it, WTF moron), Condi waxing eloquent on President Obama, etc.

Stupid bastards.

Midas on August 7, 2008 at 7:37 PM

I can’t believe anyone would even make an issue out of Condi Rice’s statement about America surviving Obama. Just what is she supposed to say? As for Iran, don’t blame Condi Rice. Those people were nuts long before she came along. In fact they have been nuts for decades. That is not her fault and it is not her fault that they do not want to cooperate. She is not the President, she can not declare war on them or something.

Once again, mountain out of molehill, partisan nitpicking.

Terrye on August 7, 2008 at 7:45 PM

He was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, not President. He was of the opinion that unfolding massive slaughter of the fleeing Iraqi Army that had abandoned Kuwait was wrong and should stop. The US had achieved the objectives set by both the US and the UN in freeing Kuwait. Lastly and IIRC, he was keeping to the promises made by the President that we would not be toppling Hussein.

I think that the strategic decisions made during that war were awful and showed that no one paid attention to what was actually happening on the ground. I don’t blame Powell, alone, for this. Obviously, it was Bush Sr.’s decision, but from what I recall, Powell was one of the only people who actually defended the position. You remember that Schwartzkopf was absolutely fuming about it, as most people in the US were. Frankly, I’ve never run into anyone who thought that the first gulf war was stopped at the correct time.

All I can say is that my opinion of Powell was set during that situation and I have not liked him (as a decision maker) ever since. His tenure at State just affirmed what I had thought.

When I used to hear about the “Powell Doctrine” I just couldn’t take the guy seriously about anything.

I think your calling this idiotic does not reflect well on your judgment in this case.

Dusty on August 7, 2008 at 7:23 PM

I do think it was idiotic. It’s a strong word, but I had strong feelings about the whole situation and how people, who supposedly knew their jobs, could ignore what was so obvious to many of us. The first gulf war made a very deep impression on me with respect to many of the main characters.

Anyway, I wasn’t surprised by Powell’s tenure at State. I thought he was very consistent in his liberal attitude. Condi really surprised the hell out of me at State. I was stunned, even. I expected much more of Condi and was truly disappointed with how she turned out to be.

progressoverpeace on August 7, 2008 at 7:46 PM

I do think it was idiotic.

Take it up with my boy Cheney.

Spirit of 1776 on August 7, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Condi waxing eloquent on President Obama, etc.

Stupid bastards.

Midas on August 7, 2008 at 7:37 PM

I assume that you’re referring to the people who believe that that was what Rice is doing in the statement.

One thing this thread has done: separated the reactionaries from the conservatives.

baldilocks on August 7, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Terrye on August 7, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Yep, that was my sentiment earlier. Sometimes people in the political blogosphere need to lighten up some (or a lot).

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 7:58 PM

TRC, deep breath, my friend. High blood pressure and heart attacks are not a good thing.

Entelechy on August 7, 2008 at 4:45 PM

So true. And thanks, baldi; I’m trying!

This post needed a deep breath and a moment of thought, and not too many gave it either.

If you are just joining the comments! Go back and find the whole quote. The “fresh blood” reference is for McCain’s VP choice, whomever that may be. It is not an endorsement of Obama, apparently.

Her opinion that even a socialist nitwit like Obambi can’t ruin America is one that would be shared by the likes of Reagan, Bush, and probably Limbaugh.

Deep breath, kids.

Jaibones on August 7, 2008 at 7:58 PM

baldilocks on August 7, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Yep.

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Don’t forget Condi worked on Gary Hart’s campaign. I think she simply has confidence in America’s ability to survive whatever happens and no matter who’s in charge. I would like to think she’s right, but things are changing. The leftist indoctrination in this country is putting America in danger more so now than ever. It has become truly the enemy within and I don’t see them as having the ability or desire to fight Islamist cells and sharia creep in our own country.

Connie on August 7, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Baldilocks 7:57

Some of the things being said are just bizarre. I have always seen Sec. Rice trying really hard not to get involved in politics and that’s the way it should be, she’s not working on anyone’s campaign.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2008 at 8:02 PM

Her opinion that even a socialist nitwit like Obambi can’t ruin America is one that would be shared by the likes of Reagan, Bush, and probably Limbaugh.

Deep breath, kids.

Jaibones on August 7, 2008 at 7:58 PM

Perhaps, but we are watching how socialists around the globe are facilitating the demise of their own countries.

Connie on August 7, 2008 at 8:02 PM

Spirit of 1776 on August 7, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Heh. Good pull. I love Cheney, but that was pretty idiotic, too. Luckily, Cheney has made many, many other excellent decisions (i.e. decisions I agree with) to more than balance this out.

progressoverpeace on August 7, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Sen. McCain is a fine patriot, and … he would be a great president. But there’s something to be said for fresh blood.

If I say this on Hotair, who notices? If Condi says this in an interview it is a stronger endorsement than Bill Clinton gave Obama.

McCain would be a great President, But…

There is something to be said for [the other guy with the socialist agenda for America]

Someone who wanted the GOP to win, and the DEM to lose would say ‘Obama is is a formidible opponent’ or a worthy opponent or whatever.

How many friends does Bush have? I need to count them again.

The good part come November is stale air or fresh air, whatever blows into the White House will blow her out the door and America will do just fine

entagor on August 7, 2008 at 8:07 PM

“It’s a strong word, but I had strong feelings about the whole situation and how people, who supposedly knew their jobs, could ignore what was so obvious to many of us.”

It may have been obvious to so many of us. In a different world I’d agree and I suppose if I could take a time machine back to that time, I’d probably be see myself having the same attitude as you note.

But foreign diplomacy doesn’t work that way and the consequences of making a pledge to countries to get their participation and then going back on our pledge after they meet their pledge doesn’t bode well for future cooperation. and that’s not to even mention that we were not prepared in theater to go into Iraq. How long would it have taken to get up to the new plan if the new plan was to invade Iraq and topple Hussein?

Decisions have requirements and consequences, Peace. I don’t think you are looking at these before you make that judgment.

Dusty on August 7, 2008 at 8:13 PM

[carbon_footprint on August 7, 2008 at 6:31 PM]

Sorry, I read into it wrong. My apologies.

Dusty on August 7, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Not a problem Dusty. We all do it.

carbon_footprint on August 7, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Connie on August 7, 2008 at 8:02 PM

Oh, no doubt. And socialism is disastrous as public policy. But if this clown gets elected, we’ll have two years to elect some conservatives to congress, and two more to elect his replacement.

Jaibones on August 7, 2008 at 8:14 PM

entagor on August 7, 2008 at 8:07 PM

I think you misinterpreted her quote. Let me post what she again:

“I don’t need another job in government with anybody,” she said. “Look, I’m a Republican, all right? Sen. McCain is a fine patriot, and … he would be a great president. But there’s something to be said for fresh blood. And I know that there are a lot of very good people who could be his vice president.”

She said fresh blood as in her not wanting to be Vice President. Again: She was NOT endorsing Obama.

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 8:15 PM

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2008 at 8:02 PM

You come in here acting all “sane” spewing your sage wisdom. Making perfect sense aside, what kind of person are you?

Shees.

The Race Card on August 7, 2008 at 8:15 PM

Congratulations Allahpundit, you have proven with this posting and the following thread that you have just as much influence as the MSM to cherry pick statements and put them on the front page to create the desired response from your readership.

It would be interesting to find out just what percentage actually read the entire article beyond your synopsis. Any idea?

I’ve actually enjoyed watching this unfold.

Texas Gal on August 7, 2008 at 8:31 PM

The Race Card on August 7, 2008 at 8:15 PM

At the very least, middle aged.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2008 at 8:43 PM

Then again, “fine” is a subjective term.

Freaked out
Insecure
Neurotic
Emotional

John Bridger, “The Italian Job” (2003)

Frozen Tex on August 7, 2008 at 8:44 PM

I wonder if the secret to the spinster Condi Clueless Rice’s tenure at State despite her manifest mediocrity is that she is having an affair with Bush.

Hilts on August 7, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Hilts on August 7, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Oh good grief. I’d like to throw you in as Sec. of State and see what you would do. I bet you are the BEST back seat driver in the world.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2008 at 8:49 PM

I thought Obama would get 99% of the Black vote. I was wrong. It will be 100%.

MaiDee on August 7, 2008 at 8:51 PM

Hilts on August 7, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Wow. And not in a good way.

Spirit of 1776 on August 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM

MaiDee on August 7, 2008 at 8:51 PM

I’m gonna pull my hair out! Please read the full quote.

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM

Hilts on August 7, 2008 at 8:46 PM

You should work for a tabloid since you like gossip.

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 8:55 PM

I know people want to hear these public officials let loose with some really nasty and partisan remarks about political opponents, but Condi Rice is a representative of the government, the whole government, she is not going to embarrass herself or her administration by saying something that might be more suited to a talk radio host than a serious political appointee.

And it is kind of naive to think it would be any other way.

Terrye on August 7, 2008 at 8:56 PM

Dusty on August 7, 2008 at 8:13 PM

You make good points, Dusty. I think that, if we didn’t have contingency plans ready for going all the way to Baghdad, then someone wasn’t doing their job. I also think that the early 90’s were a very special time that we let pass us by without taking advantage of the changes. The Soviet Union was disintegrating and, for the first time in a long while, no longer held any sway in the middle east - we no longer had to worry about going to war with the USSR over actions in the middle east. That’s why the early 90’s were the time to do a lot of things that that window allowed us. But we did nothing and just let the ex-USSR flop around with its own problems. It was, more than anything, a terrible missed opportunity.

A little off-topic, but … on top of this, the first gulf war also marked the beginning of the ascendancy of the UN from communications channel without power to an empowered organization that was being tasked with actually dealing with serious security situations - one of the biggest mistakes in diplomatic history, by my measure. I don’t hold Powell responsible for any of the UN chicanery that was going on under Bush Sr., but Powell’s insistence on going back to the UN for the second Iraq war really chapped my azz, big time. He should have learned from the earlier experience.

As to our word to our allies, I don’t think that military coalitions that include countries like Syria are serious coalitions. Personally, I had considered the “coalition” to be a total joke, especially how we kept hearing that it was so important to keep the arabs in the coalition - which I never bought for a second. But my problems with the “coalition” run very long and deep, so I’ll spare you.

I think that the decision to leave Saddam in Iraq was similar to the Israeli decision to just give Gaza to the pals without requiring anything from them. To the arab mind, it says something much different than what it says to Western minds.

I hope that wasn’t too much of a rant.

progressoverpeace on August 7, 2008 at 8:56 PM

MaiDee:

The woman did not say anything about voting for Barack Obama.

Terrye on August 7, 2008 at 8:57 PM

Hilts on August 7, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Oh good grief. I’d like to throw you in as Sec. of State and see what you would do. I bet you are the BEST back seat driver in the world.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2008 at 8:49 PM

Judging by Hilts’ remark, it’s doubtful that he/she can walk, much less drive.

baldilocks on August 7, 2008 at 9:03 PM

Terrye on August 7, 2008 at 8:57 PM

It’s like people just read the headline and then commented on the post without having a clue about what they’re talking about.

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 9:04 PM

I think that the decision to leave Saddam in Iraq was similar to the Israeli decision to just give Gaza to the pals without requiring anything from them. To the arab [cultured] mind, it says something much different than what it says to Western minds.

progressoverpeace on August 7, 2008 at 8:56 PM

It’s all about the culture.

baldilocks on August 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Isn’t it odd that when Rice says that “America will be fine” that certain segments freak out and ERRONEOUSLY label her a Barry supporter but when Barry says that “America sucks” the same freaks freak out as well?

Get some Nuts! Oops, wrong thread.

baldilocks on August 7, 2008 at 9:09 PM

I thought Obama would get 99% of the Black vote. I was wrong. It will be 100%.

MaiDee on August 7, 2008 at 8:51 PM

You’re wrong. Both times.

baldilocks on August 7, 2008 at 9:10 PM

terryonline:

There are people on the right who have decided that if not for the peacenik Condi we would have taken out the Iranians by now, or something. They also blame her for the fact that the Palestinians are dysfunctional. The fact that there is no indication that anything like that is even sort of true, is beside the point. They like to sound tough. That is what half of the snarky comments are about.

Terrye on August 7, 2008 at 9:11 PM

That is what half of the snarky comments are about.

Terrye on August 7, 2008 at 9:11 PM

That’s part of it:)

There is a whole bunch of weird going on in this thread.

Spirit of 1776 on August 7, 2008 at 9:15 PM

There are people on the right who have decided that if not for the peacenik Condi we would have taken out the Iranians by now, or something.

That’s funny. She gets no love from both sides of the aisle. She wasn’t tough enough for the Right. She was complacent with the Evil Bush for the Left. That’s probably why she doesn’t want to stay in politics; you will never make people happy!

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 9:18 PM

That’s probably why she doesn’t want to stay in politics; you will never make people happy!

That doesn’t mean she’s done a great job. Nor does it mean criticism of her is racist.

She has been, to many, myself included, disappointing. And what the left says is irrelevant. They hate anything Bush-related. Childish really - can’t wish problems away.

Spirit of 1776 on August 7, 2008 at 9:21 PM

She said fresh blood as in her not wanting to be Vice President. Again: She was NOT endorsing Obama.

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 8:15 PM

Agreed… and the rest of it was that we will survive him… or the Joint Chief’s will box his ears !

jerrytbg on August 7, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Let us all recall how the Rev-rund Wright dissed Dr. Rice in one of his emotional sermons.

onlineanalyst on August 7, 2008 at 9:22 PM

I know I am repeating myself but I think everyone was really happy with Sec. Rice when she was the National Security Adviser but have been unhappy since she went to State. I still believe that at least 85% of her supposed ineffectiveness has been who she has had to work with over there. How can you work with people who leak top secret information to the New York Times. Who do you trust? My biggest regret with the Bush Administration is that they didn’t go after those folks. Maybe they tried and I am unaware but it has been shameful.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2008 at 9:39 PM

It’s all about the culture.

baldilocks on August 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM

I agree 100%. That point cannot be overemphasized.

progressoverpeace on August 7, 2008 at 9:45 PM

I hope that wasn’t too much of a rant.

[progressoverpeace on August 7, 2008 at 8:56 PM]

Nah, it wasn’t a rant. You make some fine points, too, particularly about the UN.

Dusty on August 7, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Let us all recall how the Rev-rund Wright dissed Dr. Rice in one of his emotional sermons.

onlineanalyst on August 7, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Oh yes, the ‘Conda-skeezza’ Rice.

carbon_footprint on August 7, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Dusty on August 7, 2008 at 9:47 PM

You are very nice.

carbon_footprint on August 7, 2008 at 9:49 PM

I’m gonna pull my hair out! Please read the full quote.

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM

Please don’t (pull your hair out). You might be on the ticket in one of the next rounds, when a first Latina will be the topic, and we need you to look decent :)

Entelechy on August 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Isn’t it odd that when Rice says that “America will be fine” that certain segments freak out and ERRONEOUSLY label her a Barry supporter but when Barry says that “America sucks” the same freaks freak out as well?

Get some Nuts! Oops, wrong thread.

baldilocks on August 7, 2008 at 9:09 PM

I admitted that is exactly what I did. Odd how one jumps to conclusions.

carbon_footprint on August 7, 2008 at 9:51 PM

I’ll be so glad when this year is over.

The insanity borders incredulity.

Entelechy on August 7, 2008 at 9:52 PM

2012 ticket:

President or VP - baldilocks
President of VP - terryannonline

Entelechy on August 7, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Oh, no doubt. And socialism is disastrous as public policy. But if this clown gets elected, we’ll have two years to elect some conservatives to congress, and two more to elect his replacement.

Jaibones on August 7, 2008 at 8:14 PM

And how have we done in the last two years? Any reason to think we should continue to shrug and hope “the next two years” will be better?

I’m sorry, Rice didn’t field that question well from a “want the Republicans to win” perspective.

Midas on August 7, 2008 at 9:53 PM

President or VP - baldilocks
President of VP - terryannonline

note to self - pay attention E
second note to self - don’t get as excited as TRC :)

Entelechy on August 7, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Ok, I’m laughing myself, and at myself, silly.

President or VP - baldilocks
President or VP - terryannonline

I swear I typed the correction, and hit the ‘f’ again :(

Entelechy on August 7, 2008 at 9:57 PM

My biggest regret with the Bush Administration is that they didn’t go after those folks. Maybe they tried and I am unaware but it has been shameful.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2008 at 9:39 PM

As one who worked in a government job for over 30 years I can tell you that those that needed to go are career employees and they have a great deal of protection. You have to build a case of incompetency and disciplinary actions that often require 3 to 4 increasing sever actions to actually fire the employee. It takes dedication and tenacity of the administrators at the first line of below the work at will appointments and I doubt there are any there of any number that would do that job. It’s never ever going to happen. The organization is too infiltrated with liberals and intellectuals.

The Sec of State is the executive not the daily operations manager. I doubt very seriously she has much leeway below the executive branch of that department to do anything to ‘clean house’.

Texas Gal on August 7, 2008 at 10:03 PM

It’s not called the Foggy Bottom for nothin’. It’s a socialist pit, and always will be.

Entelechy on August 7, 2008 at 10:08 PM

hmm, gee going off the reservation to say nice things about liberals. that just so maverickish. we cant have that condi! mavericks arent allowed!

/sarcasm

chasdal on August 7, 2008 at 10:13 PM

Entelechy on August 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM

LOL!

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Entelechy on August 7, 2008 at 9:57 PM

Baldi has the military experience.

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Do you think she might be primping for a cabinet position? VP slot? I mean, she’s got more experience in her little pinkie toe than he has in his body… but I think they both have the same MUSCLE MASS… Meet the new “Mean, Lean Prez and VP…. I have to go wash my mouth out now for even suggesting that he’d be prez… (God Forbid)

CynicalOptimist on August 7, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Why does Allahpundit LIE like this? It’s really NOT necessary.

Condi did NOT say “America will be fine under President Obama”, as this headline SCREAMS.

She answered a question about how she would feel if the election did not go the way she would probably prefer by saying “America will be fine”.

There’s a big difference.

This kind of “reporting” reeks of the “we’d rather MAKE the news than REPORT on it” attitude of the MSNBC, NYT, Liberal Mainstream Terrorist Media.

It is dishonest - and I find it disgusting.

There is no excuse or need for this kind of making up the headlines LYING.

grtflmark on August 7, 2008 at 10:28 PM

grtflmark on August 7, 2008 at 10:28 PM

see this = “?? its called a quotation mark. when words are put within them it indicates the exact words a person used. when someone does this - Condi: America will be fine under President Obama they are conveying the substance of a person’s words but not the exact words.

chasdal on August 7, 2008 at 10:31 PM

Why does Allahpundit LIE like this? It’s not necessary.</strong

Condi did NOT say: “America will be fine under President Obama”, as this headline SCREAMS.

She responded to a question about how she would feel if the election didn’t go the way she would prefer by saying “America will be fine”.

That shows faith in America - not the kind of contempt Allahpundit shows by this kind of “reporting”.

This kind of “reporting” reeks of the “we’d rather MAKE-UP the news we want to read than REPORT on the real news” attitude of MSNBC, NYT, and Liberal Mainstream Terrorist Media.

It is dishonest - and I find it disgusting.

There is no need for Allahpundit to LIE like this - it is an emulation of the WRONG media model.

grtflmark on August 7, 2008 at 10:35 PM

This kind of “reporting” reeks of the “we’d rather MAKE the news than REPORT on it” attitude of the MSNBC, NYT, Liberal Mainstream Terrorist Media.

Allah is not a reporter.

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 10:37 PM

chasdal on August 7, 2008 at 10:31 PM

See this:”Condi: America will be fine under President Obama”

It’s called A LIE! Wake up!

grtflmark on August 7, 2008 at 10:37 PM

grtflmark on August 7, 2008 at 10:28 PM

Could be a joke, or testing out a theory. Maybe its annoying when people only read the headline and trust that its an accurate representation of the story, and this is a valuable lesson to all of us. We should question everything, from everyone. A few other reasons. Doesn’t matter that much. Just file this away under, ‘hmm.’

wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 10:39 PM

“Allah is not a reporter.

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 10:37 PM”

Oviously - he’s also not honest, in this case.

grtflmark on August 7, 2008 at 10:39 PM

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 10:37 PM

dont even begin to use that kind of defense. bloggers get very upset when the mainstream media try to smear them for lack of professional and very seriously doubt AP would ever try to use the “im not a reporter” line to explain a lack of honesty. i know that AP didnt say condi said those words, he paraphrased and grtflmark has gone overboard w/ the hysteria.

chasdal on August 7, 2008 at 10:41 PM

grtflmark on August 7, 2008 at 10:39 PM

you have no business reading the news either in print or on the interwebs if you dont have the ability to differentiate between quoting someone and paraphrasing. stop spamming the thread w/ your garbage.

chasdal on August 7, 2008 at 10:43 PM

chasdal on August 7, 2008 at 10:41 PM

Bingo.

Spirit of 1776 on August 7, 2008 at 10:44 PM

chasdal on August 7, 2008 at 10:41 PM

If you noticed I was responding to grtflmark’s “This kind of ‘reporting’ reeks….” line and not his accusation of dishonesty.

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Rice was asked: “Would you feel safe with a President Obama?”

“Oh, the United States will be fine,” she responded. “I think that we are having an important debate about how we keep the country safe. I think we are having an important debate about our responsibilities, our obligations, our interests in the Middle East in the wake of the now increasing evidence of success in Iraq. Those are important judgments for the American people to make.”

And how does AP put an agenda in his headline. Give me a break. Why are we looking to get offended? It’s an appropriate headline.

Spirit of 1776 on August 7, 2008 at 10:46 PM

See? Bingo, grtflmark. It’s your fault that you read something that was intentionaly out of context and misleading. that’s a bad grtflmark. I hope you’ve learnt your lesson, grtflmark. You. Should. Knoe. Betttar.

wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Absolutely appropriate.

wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 10:48 PM

. bloggers get very upset when the mainstream media try to smear them for lack of professional and very seriously doubt AP would ever try to use the “im not a reporter” line to explain a lack of honesty.

I was not saying that it’s acceptable for bloggers to be lie or be misleading. I was just clearing up that Allah is not reporter and there’s a difference. Excuse me for pointing out the obvious.

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 10:51 PM

grtflmark you need to settle down. And stop playing the victim here.

wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 10:53 PM

very disappointing.

homesickamerican on August 7, 2008 at 10:58 PM

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 10:51 PM

either way your post was inaccurate. by posting this story AP is “reporting”. however, since we both agree that the headline isnt a lie we are arguing a tangent point that is completely irrelevant. but hey, its the internet and i got time to kill so we can keep going for awhile.

chasdal on August 7, 2008 at 10:59 PM

either way your post was inaccurate. by posting this story AP is “reporting”.

Huh? How was my post inaccurate?

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 11:05 PM

you said he wasnt a reporter, but the act of posting a “report” or a news story he becomes a “reporter”, whether its a factual report or an opinion piece its all the same. a blogger is basically a reporter

chasdal on August 7, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Oh good grief. I’d like to throw you in as Sec. of State and see what you would do. I bet you are the BEST back seat driver in the world.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2008 at 8:49 PM

At least I would not butt kiss terrorists like COndi Clueless does with Arafat’s boyfirend Mahmoud Abbas. By the way Cindy Munford please tell me one accomplishment Condi Clueless has had as Sec. of State? Jsut one.

Hilts on August 7, 2008 at 11:14 PM

“COndi Clueless” That’s good but it needs a little work. Why not make it even more insulting to Rice. How about:

Captain Condi Clueless!

Huh? Huh?? What do you think?

wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 11:17 PM

you said he wasnt a reporter, but the act of posting a “report” or a news story he becomes a “reporter”, whether its a factual report or an opinion piece its all the same. a blogger is basically a reporter

No, I don’t agree. A person who writes opinion pieces is not a reporter. Maureen Dowd is not a reporter. Rush Limbaugh is not a reporter. Chris Matthews is not reporter. They discuss current events but they are not reporters. Reporters do interviews, investigate, and are suppose to stay objective (which sadly isn’t always the case). Yes sometimes bloggers blur the definition of “journalist” by doing their own investigations, interviews, etc. Sometimes bloggers commit acts of journalism. However, Allah was doing no such thing in this case.

terryannonline on August 7, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Jsut one … ?

Ah…

Maybe of onf Condi’s accomplishments is … Spelling?

wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Judging by Hilts’ remark, it’s doubtful that he/she can walk, much less drive.

baldilocks on August 7, 2008 at 9:03 PM

Oh you are so (half) witty.
Again tell me one thing Condi Clueless has accomplished as Sec. of State outside of kissing terrorist butt? Also has she been a failure as Sec. of State or not? Bill Kristol and David Frum both have written that she was Bush’s worst appointment and I tend to agree with them. A nuclear armed Iran is pleased with her. She went “James Baker” at Foggy Bottom - she has been disastrous as Sec. of State.

Hilts on August 7, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Jsut one … ?

Ah…

Maybe of onf Condi’s accomplishments is … Spelling?

wise_man on August 7, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Yes she can spell APPEASEMENT very well.

Hilts on August 7, 2008 at 11:21 PM

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