I believe that america is hopelessly divided. the left in this country want something that is against the very documents in which this country was founded. We are at a cross roads today as we were in 1860. there is no compromised to be had with the hard left. They hate everything America stands for. They want to remake the country in their view( more control, less freedom, less freedom of speech, more taxes, bigger government. the hard right is just as bad. they want to pass over the articles in the founding documents that they don’t like. for example individual rights to illeagal search and seizure, bigger government, more mandates, less freedoms. The middle up to now has been able to stay above it. However as the politicians move ever leftward the middle will have to make a choice. I would just as well have the hard left expose themselves before the election than afterward. the hard right exposed themselves after 9/11 and in 2006 they got voted out. Now it is time to vote out the hard left.

I see a massive civil war coming if we do not tell the extremists on both sides to Sit down and shut up. A little roit would go along way to accomplishing this goal.

You said BHO won the delagates fair and square. He has not won anything yet.

unseen on August 6, 2008 at 10:29 PM

I did not say “won.” I said “got:”

…Obama, who got his delegates and superdelegates fair and square according to the rules set down by the Democratic Party.

Although the distinction between “getting” and “winning” is not at all the point, nor is the objective or relative fairness of the process. What matters is that the rules were set down and agreed to by all Dem primary contenders prior to the primary contests, hence, level ground within that specifically defined context.

But of course you know this. None of it will erase the statements you’ve made with which I have disagreed re riots for “entertainment” or any other value.

Actually I may understand what you’re saying better than you think – I too would like to see the Dems explode via hoist on their own petard, spectacularly enough that even the MSM can’t explain it away. But if we’re to have, and maintain, a viable America, we’ve got to have an orderly, trustworthy, mutually-agreed-upon framework that serves to unite us long-term. Riots by one group or another tear at the fabric of our melting-pot and weaken not just me but us.

I don’t want that, even if it would affirm my current views. I want to engage all Americans in our civilized political process and thuggery of any stripe will only work against that.

You said BHO won the delagates fair and square. He has not won anything yet.

As far as the riots…its what dems do. Stopping themf rom having a “protest” is like try to stop the wind. Might as well look on the “good” side of things. Like I said hopefully no one gets hurt.

who still trails by five overall

What…according to Time Magazine?

If the public hears “WE’VE ALREADY LOST AND IT’S BANKRUPTING US TO STAY,” it’s kinda sorta understandable.

misterpeasea on August 6, 2008 at 5:10 PM

Good point. Allow me to correct myself.

It’s perfectly understandable, if the population is generally a horde of mindless, incurious spineless fairweather muppets.

It appears you do not understand how the superdelgates are given to the nomination.

unseen on August 6, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Of course I understand how the superdelegate system works under the current Democratic Party rules. The same methods available to Obama are available to Hillary, making the process fair as they have chosen to conduct and follow it.

But even if I didn’t understand, it wouldn’t make remarks hoping for riots for “entertainment” or any other reason any less despicable.

Really, he has been saying stupid things since forever (supporting driver’s licenses for illegals, Iran not being a threat, etc) but now it seems that everything out of his mouth is far left pablum he is looking mighty bad.

It appears you do not understand how the superdelgates are given to the nomination. They are basically bribed. they can and will vote for the highest bidder. they are not tied to ANY canidate. even now. BHO has not won enough regualar delegates to win the nomination. He needs the superdelagates to win the nomination.

If these political whores decide to sell their vote to Hillary because they think BHO is fundementally flawed or Hillary offers a better deal then they can and will do it.

As far as the riots and burning tires it has been done in this country several times. 1968 convention comes to mind. As well as the MLK riots, the Rodeny king riots, etc

How did Bob Barr fare in the polls?

alphie on August 6, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Who cares?

McCain.

McCain should totally let out a big nasty fart at a debate and proudly proclaim, “I just produced more gas than Obama’s plan will ever save us!”

That’d totally win the election.

lorien1973 on August 6, 2008 at 5:51 PM

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Plus it would be great TV and enetertainment vaule. Hell we might even get some firebombings and burning tires in the streets. I just pray no one gets hurt.

unseen on August 6, 2008 at 6:01 PM

I do not want to see anything like this in America, for any reason. Ever.

Hillary will not get the nomination. She certainly doesn’t deserve it more than Obama, who got his delegates and superdelegates fair and square according to the rules set down by the Democratic Party.

If he can’t, he may still win in a Squeaker due to the astonishingly bad campaigning ( and sheer dishonesty ) of his big-eared big-ego opponent

How did Bob Barr fare in the polls?

alphie on August 6, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Who cares?

as far as the voters are concerned and thus make the dems the incumbants

on the contary I hope she wins the nomination. The riots that would occur would show beyond a doubt that the dems are Chevez lite.

sen Clinton winning the nomination would do a couple things. It would ingrain in peoples minds that the election is rigged so why bother. This would surpress the young turnout. It would split theblack vote maybe for all time from the democratic election. It would not give the dems the coattail in the general election for Congress. It would dry up the huge donations the dems are getting. It would cement the dems as the party in power in Washington.

It would also because the rep hate Hillary allow the base to be reenergized on the rep side.

Plus it would be great TV and enetertainment vaule. Hell we might even get some firebombings and burning tires in the streets. I just pray no one gets hurt.

3 or 4 sillyish ads which are running mostly in a few states, and online are not going to give him these kinds of numbers in gains over 72 hours. If you take a step back this surge based on the other surge is obvious, makes perfect sense. This is the bounce.

Obama’s position on this was ludicrous, that was obvious too, the media cow towing for him in that absurdity only did double damage imho. You are talking about making a call & winning a war here, it doesn’t get more Presidential than that no? “Is he ready to lead” – Either way ads or not it is about the calls on the surge imho.

It has to be attributable to those ads chipping away at Obama’s credibility, no?

Yes. And the ads not only eroded Obama’s credibility, they diminished his “coolness” via ridicule.

That’s the thing about fashion: it always changes. What was “in” a few months ago is soooo like over already. Obama is starting to look like last winter’s handbag to the shallow trendy crowd who comprise his base.

he really showed how completely lacking he is in character, maturity, and judgement.

marybel on August 6, 2008 at 5:47 PM

I personally think Obama’s an empty suit … that’s why he’s so gaffe prone. Any major mistakes in campaign strategy are the fault of his handlers I believe. It gives a window into the people who are actually running the show.

marybel on August 6, 2008 at 5:47 PM

McCain should totally let out a big nasty fart at a debate and proudly proclaim, “I just produced more gas than Obama’s plan will ever save us!”

That’d totally win the election.