I guess thats why you use all that tortured logic to rationalize your unquestioning support of a liberal Democrat like McCain instead of standing up for conservative values.

highhopes on August 4, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Just as in 2004, there is only one issue in this election: the physical security of the United States of America. I will therefore stand up for conservative values by voting for John McCain.

However, a prediction: Obama, his supporters, and the MSM [sorry, that was redundant] will soon attempt to take the national-security issue off the table by declaring that the war in Iraq has been won. I’m already hearing the first rumblings. Mark my words.

NoDonkey on August 5, 2008 at 8:16 AM

You really are a miserable human being. You may have good intentions but your willingness to sacrifice principle for expediency makes you no better than political traitors like Quisling and McCain.

Cantor passed on a shot at John Warner’s Senate seat this year.

I think that Cantor was wise not to run against Warner as he is perceived as unbeatable and is known statewide, while Cantor is not. However, there was something else going on here which was avoiding a fight at the convention. Jim Gilmore has made it clear from the beginning he wanted to run and worked to secure a convention over a primary to force out any more moderate candidates (not that Cantor was one of them). A Cantor candidacy would have meant a nasty fight at the state convention and I think the party was trying to avoid that if at all possible this year – they could not afford a split vote amongst the base.

Well I was thinking of the Paul backers who would veiw someone like Cantor as the second neocon coming. They would flip to Barr in November.

William Amos on August 3, 2008 at 9:48 AM

Well, since the real Paul backers would NEVER vote for McCain it is irrelevant who his VP pick is.

As if you know anything at all about me.

I’m glad you’re not on McCain’s side. Or my side.

Miserable cranks we can do without. Please, follow your heart and become a Democrat. We’ll all be happier.

Or do you see another way of keeping Obama out? Or do you even care that a far-left, anti-American, corrupt incompetent may soon be in the Oval Office?

NoDonkey on August 4, 2008 at 9:43 PM

I stand on conservative principle, not on keeping certain candidates out of office. This may be hard for an amoral jerk like you to understand but, in the long run, standing on principle is far more effective than attacking Obama by propping up an equally unfit candidate like McCain. There is virtually no difference between the two losers on social issues which have far more an effect on society than national security issues. Does it really matter if McCain or Obama delivers amnesty? Does it really matter which of the two liberals nominate SCOTUS justices? NO!

Or do you even care that a far-left, anti-American, corrupt incompetent may soon be in the Oval Office?

You talking about Obama or McCain because your description could fit either.

Never said you can’t disagree. Just dispute you when you run down the only hope of keeping Obama out of the White House this fall.

Or do you see another way of keeping Obama out? Or do you even care that a far-left, anti-American, corrupt incompetent may soon be in the Oval Office?

So I dispute anyone who depresses the moral of conservatives.

That’s all. This is a discussion forum.

NoDonkey on August 4, 2008 at 3:59 PM

You probably mean morale. You are the one depressing the morality of conservatives by your constant demands we shut up and vote for McCain because he isn’t Obama. We get it. You think McCain is the only hope for America. Now stop telling the rest of us that we can’t disagree.

Victor David Hanson in the National Review today

Huh?

There’s a little more drama here than I am comfortable with.

It’s really simple.

A far left President with a far left Congress would be a disaster for this country.

I really don’t want another disaster for this country.

So I dispute anyone who depresses the moral of conservatives.

That’s all. This is a discussion forum.

You can do what you want with your vote. But I’m all about turning out the Republican vote this fall and as long as I’m in this forum, I’ll challenge anyone who I see as working to depress it.

To me, your attitude is what led to the Republicans losing Congress to the Democrats in 2006. At least Democrats who vote for Democrats are consistent. People like you know that Democrats are atrocious candidates and that they are a corrupt party of abject incompetence, how can think that losing another election to them, might not be a bad thing?

NoDonkey on August 4, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Enough of the lies you snarling jerk! I have never been one of the crowd who wants Obama to win to clear the decks for a real conservative (redux of Carter being necessary to launch Reagan). I have serious objections to McCain which you constantly infer are not valid since we should all be out there supporting McCain. My objections to McCain are deep enough that I am up in the air if I can actually vote for the political traitor but that doesn’t equate into supporting Obama- no matter how much you throw out that bogus reasoning. Again, you are a liar and it’s time you just stop with the lies, propaganda, and arrogance.

He wasn’t my first or second choice, but he’s the best candidate currently in the race

In your opinion. Fine, but you are completely uncritical of McCain. Assuming you are telling the truth for a change(iffy assumption), if McCain was your third choice, why is there no issue on which you don’t rabidly defend McCain as the best pick? For you, it all boils down to not electing Obama and you dismiss all the unsavory bits about McCain in the name of electability. If that’s your standard fine but stop telling the rest of us to shut up and support McCain because he isn’t Obama.

I’m not pining for a third choice but I refuse to follow you down the path of pretending that McCain is a conservative Republican and decent human being. He is the least objectionable Democrat running for office. He has betrayed conservative values countless times and his personal vendettas against social conservatives, evangelicals, and individuals like Rumsfeld make him unfit for office no matter how much you act like a jerk in his defense. We might as well be realistic that we are getting a liberal in GOP clothing instead of your fantasy that McCain is a conservative.

A little honesty isn’t out of line from you considering you are demanding we drop all our standards and and values to vote without hesitation for miserable candidate. After all, you’re already demanding we prostitute ourselves and elect an unfit candidate in the name of electability. Acknowledging that people are being asked to act against what is right is far more honorable than your pretense that McCain is without flaws.

To you, perhaps. To sane people? Nuance.

“I, unlike you, am a member of the right-wing of the party”

So the right-wing of the party thinks it’s a good idea to lose elections to Democrats. What would we do without you guys?

“I have every right to voice my dissatisfaction”

By writing posts on a website. Who said you don’t, by the way?

“I will not be silenced in voicing my (singluar) dissastifaction just because people like you are snarling jerks.”

Sayeth the snarling jerk.

“That certainly doesn’t give you the right to attempt to shout down anybody that doesn’t agree with you.”

Does this website have audio capabilities? Because apparently my computer is not configured properly.

“Agree to disagree or shut up but stop telling others that they are not entitled to voice their opinions”

Please cite where I have told ANYONE they have no right to post. You are like the liberals who claim the chilling effect when anyone has the audacity to dispute what they are saying.

“I can not respect your opinion because you find McCain’s positions without fault.”

When have I ever said that? He wasn’t my first or second choice, but he’s the best candidate currently in the race. Pining for candidates who had negligible support in the primary is unrealistic. I have no illusions about politicians, they are not infallible and they are not perfect. None of them are. Sometimes, the best you can do is to keep the worst of them out of office.

I will never see the logic behind deliberately trying to lose elections in the vague hope that it will lead to “better” candidates in the future. Losing leads to more losing.

To me, your attitude is what led to the Republicans losing Congress to the Democrats in 2006. At least Democrats who vote for Democrats are consistent. People like you know that Democrats are atrocious candidates and that they are a corrupt party of abject incompetence, how can think that losing another election to them, might not be a bad thing?

“Senator, you lost the trust of the right wing of the GOP and throwing out names isn’t going to get that trust back.”

Let’s see, highhopes, you use the above phrase and then write that you were only speaking for yourself.

It is crystal clear that I was addressing my (singlular) opinion to Senator McCain. You are the idiot who is attempting to turn it into something that it isn’t because I refuse to let you get away with all the lies you spew in defense of McCain. I, unlike you, am a member of the right-wing of the party and I have every right to voice my dissatisfaction with the loser candidate people of your ilk have foisted on the GOP. I will not be silenced in voicing my (singluar) dissastifaction just because people like you are snarling jerks.

This election is too important to allow anyone from within or without to denigrate the best candidate in the race by far, without response.

There are more issues than the economy and national security. Just because those are the top two in your bitter little world doesn’t mean that they are my priorities. That certainly doesn’t give you the right to attempt to shout down anybody that doesn’t agree with you.

I’ll make this clear. I have every right to voice my opinion and I will not cede that right just because a myopic jerk disagrees! Clear enough for ya? Agree to disagree or shut up but stop telling others that they are not entitled to voice their opinions for no reason than it doesn’t jibe with the fake McCain is a conservative propaganda you continually and uncritically spew.

I can not respect your opinion because you find McCain’s positions without fault. No candidate is that pure. It shows a remarkable lack of intellect to so unquestioningly and rabidly defend McCain as if he were Christ returned to earth.

Let’s see, highhopes, you use the above phrase and then write that you were only speaking for yourself.

So do you consider yourself to be the only member of the “right wing of the GOP”?

“It’s not my problem that you have a third-grade level of reading comprehension.”

You are correct and if I had achieved a first-grade level of reading comprehension, I’m sure I would understand why conservatives should want Barack Obama to win the next election.

“It certainly doesn’t give you the right to turn into a snarling jerk whenever anybody has a different opinion about McCain.”

You’re the one who’s snarling. I just pointed out that you don’t speak for the “right wing of the GOP”.

John McCain is an economic conservative and is the national defense candidate. This election is too important to allow anyone from within or without to denigrate the best candidate in the race by far, without response.

I’m a real conservative who doesn’t want to see Barack Obama in the White House with a Democrat Congress.
NoDonkey on August 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Real conservatives wouldn’t prop up McCain by all the lies and propaganda you spew. McCain served honorably in the Navy and should be commended for that but to call him a patriot and good man dismisses all the crap that McWeasel has done in his public career in Congress. He is a untrustworthy political traitor who is unfit for office. His only saving grace is that the other guy is even more unfit for office. That doesn’t mean McCain should get the pass you demand.

It certainly doesn’t give you the right to turn into a snarling jerk whenever anybody has a different opinion about McCain. The fact of the matter is that real conservatives don’t let conservatives vote for McCain!

NoDonkey on August 4, 2008 at 11:56 AM

It’s not my problem that you have a third-grade level of reading comprehension. Jerk!

I guess thats why you use all that tortured logic to rationalize your unquestioning support of a liberal Democrat like McCain instead of standing up for conservative values.

“Senator, you lost the trust of the right wing of the GOP and throwing out names isn’t going to get that trust back.”

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highhopes on August 4, 2008 at 8:34 AM

It’s clear that I was only voicing my own opinion.

highhopes on August 4, 2008 at 11:12 AM

No, it’s not clear that you were only voicing your own opinion.

As opposed to the so-called “conservatives” who want Barack Obama in the White House with a Democrat Congress.

You helped give us a Democrat Congress in 2006 to punish the GOP. The GOP lost a good amount of close races, in part to so-called “conservatives” sitting at home.

How’s that working out?

“Conservatives” who work to put Democrats into the White House and Congress are no better than actual Democrats, in my book.

If you can’t tell there is a huge difference between a patriot and a good man like John McCain and a lying, unaccomplished, far left circus clown like Barack Obama, I’m not wasting my time explaining the difference to you.

But I won’t refrain from berating you for being a key part of the Obama campaign.

Speak for yourself. You don’t speak for real conservatives.

NoDonkey on August 4, 2008 at 10:46 AM

It’s clear that I was only voicing my own opinion. Sorry I’m not one of you McCain Default Syndrome lackeys. Jerk!

That being said, why is it that you “friends of John” are so damned cranky? Could it be that you resent having to defend McCain’s liberal record? Could it be that you well know that McCain isn’t a conservative and will enact his liberal agenda if elected? I think there’s a lot of truth in this idea. Perhaps you’d be happier if you stopped defending the record of a political traitor! In any case stop being an arrogant jerk.

Speak for yourself. You don’t speak for real conservatives.

I took that opportunity to not vote for him when the elections came. I chose to not vote for any candidate, “None of the above” not being a positive option, unfortunately.

He is a bit too much of a far-right, robotic, wing nut.