Close shaves: The new Gaza/West Bank war

Israelis want to live in Peace, this should never be forgotten. That is why we talk to fatah, and will continue to talk to them despite their inability or motives, almost no Israelis want to rule over the Palestinians, it is not in our interests to rule over these people, they contribute nearly zero to society, they are a burden, let them prosper or rot, but do so on their own.

Abu Mazen as absurd a ‘leader’ as he is has recognized Israel’s right to exist. We should always pursue peace and defend ourselves at the same time, these are not mutually exclusive goals, Israel has been carrying out those goals for 60 years. The notion we can disregard the concept of peace with the Palestinians is a sure recipe for the destruction of Israel.

Negotiate through strength. We will not be holding on to large swaths of Palestinian populated territory because almost no Israelis desire or wish this – On the left, in the center or on the right, so we have a lot to offer, we should secure peace and the right to pursue it by negotiation and subsequently by force if circumstance dictates. By not pursuing peace we give up our justification to also use force as a free democratic society. The goal should be peace, securing Jerusalem, and the major settlement blocks, we do not need villages teeming with several hundred thousand welfare basket cases.

Let’s hope we can find a partner for this, and that everyone will be able to grow facial hair freely.

saus on August 3, 2008 at 12:46 PM

Hi Mimi, we will never give up the eternal capitol of Israel, this & the golan and the settlements in the West Bank have over 200,000 Israelis living there, they are annexed territory, they are part of the land of Israel. The Old City, Jerusalem, east & west are the State of Israel now and there will be no divisions. The Star of David flies above these lands and we kill anyone who tries to remove it – This is our right. We cannot transfer them, but we can also refuse to be transfered.

As for the rest, it is mostly autonomous now, they already have a state controlled by palestinians. We control whether it will be recognized as such. From there we will give to our friends for peace, what we give them is the legitimacy over their autonomy, the use of land we conquered from Jordan, assurance we will not kill them and roll tanks over their heads, peace. They will never have a state as is commonly envisioned, more like Luxembourg, demilitarized, with heavy ties & reliance on the regional states, Israel, Egypt & Jordan. They are too small, too dependent and there is no longer enough territory for anything else. We cannot forget, 60 years have passed, life has go on while the Arabs stagnate.

If they wanted a state in the most classical sense, armies, full borders, etc they should have taken it in 1948. It has been 60 years, now they can have what is offered or they can die trying to take it all from us. But we will always extend our hand in peace, it is the leaders, the guerrilla groups, the terrorists, & Islamists that want war. The majority of Palestinians want to live in Peace, just like Jordanians do so now, just like Egypt even though we are not best friends, we are neighbors. We stay off their lawn, they stay off ours. The Palestinians will always have the IDF outside, we will control the borders with Jordan & Egypt in a regional security pact. That is why we must go and topple Hamas in gaza, their existence, the world & Israel allowing them to have a terror state there jeopardizes the whole concept of peace itself.

The PA has its own elections, its justice system (its own legal, court, prison & policing system) controls its economy or lack thereof, its own educational system, their own passports, their own medical and health systems, their own electricity / utilities control, etc etc – this is a state, near total full autonomy. All that is left is for them to show they can handle it, and also they are ready to sign their names to peace.. so far so bad.

saus on August 3, 2008 at 2:33 PM