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I am kicking myself because just yesterday I came across an Islamic source for the 72 women on 72 beds in 72 rooms idea — but today I can’t find it. In any case, what I can tell you right now is that the 72 number never appears in the Qur’an, in which the number of hoors (the heavenly babes) is never specified. Nor does it come from any of the canonical Hadith collections, and there are in fact varying traditions as to the number of the hoors.

Robert

I’ve searched for references to scour the source of the number 72 with their virgins, but couldn’t find it. I’ve seen videos of Walid Shoebat claiming that the actual number of virgins is much more – 72 bedrooms, each with 72 beds, each bed with 72 virgins – which would give the lucky Mohammedan in question a total of 373,248 virgins. That in turn begs several kinky questions, which I’ll refrain from right here.

Nonetheless, my question here – which text(s) of the Mohammedans has references to 72, or whatever many the number of virgins that are there?

Thanks very much.

Norquist = enabler, do we know any consenters that we can swing?

Do they even exist?

I’m sorry. I don’t understand the question. Do you mean people who consent to what Grover Norquist is doing, who can be compelled to switch sides? I doubt it.

I just heard you on Michael’s show… enlightenment, as always…

Norquist = enabler, do we know any consenters that we can swing?

Do they even exist?

Never heard of Shiner. I was thinking of O’Doul’s, but I couldn’t find an image that said “non-alcoholic” prominently enough.

Robert Spencer on August 4, 2008 at 6:40 AM

Shiner is made in a town called Shiner in Texas, about midway between San Antonio and Houston. It is pretty much the “official beer” of both the University of Texas and Texas A&M. The town was founded by Czech and German immigrants, and has been brewing beer since 1909.

Where’s the fun in that? Doesn’t seem like Paradise to me. Now wine that causes drunkenness but doesn’t cause a hangover now we’d be talking!!

crazy_legs on August 4, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Now that would be a top seller. I have switched to red wine over beer for the health benifits but have to deal with some minor hangovers now and then.

This wine won’t even cause drunkenness (v. 47).

Where’s the fun in that? Doesn’t seem like Paradise to me. Now wine that causes drunkenness but doesn’t cause a hangover now we’d be talking!!

it was in Mohamed’s interest to draw them to Islam by flattering their ancestor Lot with the title of prophet?

I’ve kind of wondered this as well. It seems as if everyone even metioned in passing in the OT is considered a prophet. Lot, David, Solomon, even Adam. They weren’t called prophets in the OT, yet they are in the Koran. Is this another mis-reading of the Bible (ie, like their mistake about Mary being a “goddess” to Christians and part of the Trinity)?

Never heard of Shiner. I was thinking of O’Doul’s, but I couldn’t find an image that said “non-alcoholic” prominently enough.

Robert Spencer on August 4, 2008 at 6:40 AM

I have never had it either, but as I am interested in trying every beer made by man before I die, I was able to find this.

Just strange to hear comparisons to wine, when Islam is supposedly against alcohol.

Well, as you can see from this sura, the prohibition is only against the “distasteful” wines of this world, not against the non-intoxicating variety that runs in streams through Paradise.

You should have used an American beer like Shiner. We are not dhimmified yet.

Never heard of Shiner. I was thinking of O’Doul’s, but I couldn’t find an image that said “non-alcoholic” prominently enough.

My acquaintance with Beck’s line has been decidedly on the side of their alcoholic varieties.

Robert Spencer on August 3, 2008 at 3:12 PM

heh…Kinda like decaf coffee…Why bother?

Just strange to hear comparisons to wine, when Islam is supposedly against alcohol.

I know nothing of Beck’s non-alcoholic beer. I just found a picture I thought went with the text. My acquaintance with Beck’s line has been decidedly on the side of their alcoholic varieties.

Robert Spencer on August 3, 2008 at 3:12 PM

You should have used an American beer like Shiner. We are not dhimmified yet.

And given the Islamic idea of the value of the pre-Islamic period of any nation, and of any non-Islamic philosophy or system of thought, the Vizzini declaration is also apt: “Plato? Aristotle? Socrates? Morons!”

That was Vizzini, wasn’t it?

Robert Spencer on August 3, 2008 at 5:55 PM

I think you have stumbled upon a whole new way to “Blog the Quran”! But if the Muslims did not like the Danish cartoons…it might be a little risky!

And given the Islamic idea of the value of the pre-Islamic period of any nation, and of any non-Islamic philosophy or system of thought, the Vizzini declaration is also apt: “Plato? Aristotle? Socrates? Morons!”

That was Vizzini, wasn’t it?

ah instructs his prophet to ask them if they really think that Allah has daughters while they themselves have sons (v. 149) – because everyone knows, of course, that sons are superior to daughters, and so this would be attributing an inferiority to Allah.

I had to laugh. This line could have been used by Vizzini in Princess Bride…
“Vizzini: But it’s so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy’s? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me. ”

Why is it that so much of the Quran seems like Vizzini is speaking?

the wine of the next world has a pleasing, delicate, fruity bouquet, reminiscent of almonds and vanilla…

Allah’s Heavenly wine on Earth

Unsweetened now available for the pious who have to watch their sugar…

I know nothing of Beck’s non-alcoholic beer. I just found a picture I thought went with the text. My acquaintance with Beck’s line has been decidedly on the side of their alcoholic varieties.

They’re the same. They both say that the wine of this world is distasteful, but the wine of the next world has a pleasing, delicate, fruity bouquet, reminiscent of almonds and vanilla…

…which will, says the Tafsir al-Jalalayn, be filled with “wine that flows along the ground like streams of water, white, whiter than milk, delicious to the drinkers, in contrast to the wine of this world which is distasteful to drink.”

To this:

Ibn Kathir adds that “Zayd bin Aslam said, ‘White flowing wine,’ meaning, with a bright, shining color, unlike the wine of this earth with its ugly, repulsive colors of red, black, yellow and turbid shades, and other features which are repugnant to anyone of a sound nature.”

These are the fabled virgins of Paradise, in search of whom Muslims have fought against unbelievers and sought death throughout history, knowing that Paradise is guaranteed to those who “kill and are killed” for Allah

This is still a major selling point: Saudi TV recently carried a preacher who was positively ecstatic over the promise of the Hot Babes of Heaven.

They are promised in Paradise what the are forbidden on Earth it seems.

Forbidden on earth to some degree, but Islam is not nearly as ascetic as Christianity. A man may have four wives and slave girls, if he can afford them.

I seem to recall from Ben’s series that according to either the Hadiths or Ibn Ishaq’s Biography of of Muhammad, he originally thought himself possessed and went several times to the top of a mountain to throw himself off but each time Gabriel would appear to assure him he was Allah’s Messenger. Have I go that right?

I am not familiar with Ben’s series, but yes. Ibn Ishaq recounts that after Muhammad’s first revelation, he went home saying, “Woe is me poet or possessed.” That is, “poet” in the sense of someone who has ecstatic visions. Ibn Ishaq further recounts Muhammad’s words:

I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest. So I went forth to do so and then when I was midway on the mountain, I heard a voice from heaven saying: “O Muhammad! Thou art an apostle of God and I am Gabriel.” I raised my head towards heaven to see (who was speaking) and lo, Gabriel in the form of a man with feet astride the horizon, saying, “O Muhammad! Thou art the apostle of God and I am Gabriel.”