Romeo13 on July 30, 2008 at 9:15 PM

Romeo13, I stand by what I said regarding Ross Perot’s campaign, 100%. Nothing “revisionist” about it.

The evidence that Ross Perot never intended to win the Presidency is that when he was doing so well — too well — he shut down his campaign (incidentally, breaking the hearts of all his supporters and volunteers). Then when GHW Bush rebounded, he restarted his campaign, just in time to get just enough votes to keep GHWB from winning re-election. Don’t you remember that stop-and-start business?

Yes, he talked a good game about balancing the budget. He said all the right things. He got people excited and enthusiastic — remember the statue of him that his supporters put up in front of his campaign HQ? If he had actually meant what he said, he would have been brilliant in office. (I would have voted for him!) But it was all a sham, as his actions proved, and his little game of revenge was a great loss to the country.

Why is that?

You don’t try hard enough.

wise_man on July 31, 2008 at 10:23 AM

First time I’ve ever seen you type something that was true.

I try not to respond to you,
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2008 at 12:37 AM

You don’t try hard enough.

And John Weaver is not John McCain.

And you might add that the New York Times endorsed McCain, which is completely irrelevant to the fact that you made a false claim that McCain tried to leave the republican party, twice. And you still take the word of the democrats and lie about McCain as easily as you breath.

And you also talk about Juan Hernandez, when the rebuttal to your lie is laid out for all to see.

Typical.

but he is supposed to be the “straight talk express”. and the “straight talk express” wouldnt compliment two people who are pushing policies designed to destroy and impoverish the hopes and dreams of millions of Americans. make no doubt about it.

chasdal, good point.

What I’ve come to think about McCain is the straight talk express doesn’t mean truth, it means edgy. Like Obama, whose platform is just anti whatever Bush is for, McCain was to be edgy, bipartisan. STE is just another clever expression that at the end of the day, sadly, means nothing.

Republicans whom aren’t RINO’s and don’t cowtow to the opposition before they actually lose just to save their backside in the short time they have left in the political arena.

The first instance was in the spring of 2001, when one of McCain’s top aides, John Weaver, approached Thomas Downey, a former Democratic Congressman from New York, and floated the idea of McCain becoming a democrat or an independent who would caucus with the democrats.

And I might add that the New York Times endorsed McCain. Short memory?

So let’s add up here. He did it once before. The rumor is that he did it again, when the presumptive GOP nominee was someone he was adversarial towards, and who also happened to be a Vietnam vet(though for Kerry, that is in quotes). The NYT, the paper who endorsed McCain, released this after their endorsement.

Silly me. I should just believe whatever McCain says, like when he said he never supported amnesty. I know, I know, how dare I link to that. He never lied. Must just be that ol’ MDS kicking in. I think they call it Juan Hernandez syndrome.

People keep e-mailing about this. Why?

“I respect Speaker Pelosi. I think she’s one of the great American success stories,” McCain said during an interview with The Chronicle prior to a fundraiser at the Fairmont Hotel in San Francisco.

If so, the answer is: Because those of us who will reluctantly cast our votes for “Maverick” in November (and then vomit ourselves to sleep that night) are seriously wondering just how long it will be before McCain *completely* loses his mind…..

That slipperly slope is getting slipperier by the day.

Good.

Twice.
MadisonConservative on July 30, 2008 at 11:16 PM

According to the New York Times, Not McCain. (In the spring of 2004, the media began to whisper how John Kerry was considering McCain as his running mate. ) And Arianna Huffington claimed that he didn’t vote for Bush. I’m sure you believe her version of events over the truth on this one as well?

McCain: Kerry Never Offered Me VP Slot, but Bush Did
Dick Cheney — Bush’s second choice
Look, I don’t want to be Vice President of the United States, I do not want to leave the Republican party, I would not be Vice President of the United States on either ticket. I told President Bush when he asked me in 2000 if, when he asked me if I was interested, I said I was not interested.

SNOW: Right. But, so- I want to just lay to rest once and for all: never approached you, never hinted that he wanted to talk to you about being vice president. All that kind of stuff was made up.
McCAIN: Well, I cannot attest to that. All I can tell you is my conversations with him were private conversations, but he (John Kerry) never offered it.

Bill Clinton was a lot less liberal than McCain is.

flenser on July 30, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Not true. McCain is less liberal than Clinton. Not much, though. He did nearly leave the Republican party, remember. Twice.

It’s interesting that the Democrats McCain kisses up to are always the far left ones, never the Blue Dogs.
flenser on July 30, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Newsflash to flenser:ABC: McCain “now seriously considering” Lieberman for VP … The same Lieberman who the democrats kiced out of the party because of “the kiss” with Bush. So much for your second theory.

Unless, in your universe, Lieberman is a “far-left” liberal.

McCain is not a “center-rightist”. He’s a liberal who makes right wing noises from time to time because he is in the Republican Party. Alas.
flenser on July 30, 2008 at 9:21 PM

And this is a lie.

If tossing a few rhetorical bouquets at Pelosi and Gore endears him to would-be McCainocrats, what’s the harm?

It’s interesting that the Democrats McCain kisses up to are always the far left ones, never the Blue Dogs.

The more negative he goes on Obama, the more liberal ass he has to kiss to preserve the Maverick brand. Just paying a toll on the road to victory.

A very generous interpetation. Based on the last ten years it seem safe to say that McCain is not kissing far left ass because he thinks he needs to, but because he likes to.

The result of both those elections was that the Democrat won, and the nation suffered.

That’s not true. The result of Perot’s run was to drag politics in this country to the right. Bill Clinton was a lot less liberal than McCain is.

center-rightist like McCain

McCain is not a “center-rightist”. He’s a liberal who makes right wing noises from time to time because he is in the Republican Party. Alas.

Mary in LA on July 30, 2008 at 8:56 PM

I so love revisionist history…

Perot “wanted” Bush to loose? It wasn’t about the over rideing political necessity to balance the budget??? You know, that same deficit which has now destoryed the worth of the American Dollar? That same deficit which is the root cause of all our economic problems right now?

If the dollar was worth what it was in 1980, we’d be paying about $70 a barrel for oil. You can thank your two partys for destroying our economy by not understanding that you can’t borrow your way to prosperity.

chasdal on July 30, 2008 at 9:03 PM

Example #1: “I don’t like McCain.”

That is not false. It’s an accurate statement.

Example #2: “McCain is going to be just like Obama, McCain is a socialist and will pick Nancy Pelosi as his VP, because he hates conservatives”

And that is false. It’s opinion, not based on fact. It is without merit.

There you go.

And #2, I pointed out the part of your rant where you trolled me. And then called me a troll. You repeated the same incorrect lame a$$ed lie that I call every person who disagrees with McCain blah blah blah. Missed the point. People lie about McCain. They don’t tell the truth. The don’t like the fact that he’s not conservative enough, and they want to punish him because their candidate lost to him by making the false claim that McCain’s a liberal. Or whatever.

If you want to not support the republican candidate and stand by as all of the democrats vote for Obama, then fine. I can’t stop you. You can subscribe to all of the democrat’s newsletters that also trash McCain for all I care.

wise_man on July 30, 2008 at 8:57 PM

what is false according to you?