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	<title>Comments on: NYT wonders: Why didn&#8217;t Obama leave his aides behind and visit those wounded troops alone?</title>
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		<title>By: July, 2008 Archive &#171; Right Minded Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>July, 2008 Archive &#171; Right Minded Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] While the Messiah was in Germany, he had the opportunity to visit U.S. troops in Ramstein, but declined the visit one he learned that the Pentagon didn&#8217;t want him accompanied by the media. So I guess [...]</description>
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		<title>By: July, 2008 &#171; Right Minded Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>July, 2008 &#171; Right Minded Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] While the Messiah was in Germany, he had the opportunity to visit U.S. troops in Ramstein, but declined the visit one he learned that the Pentagon didn&#8217;t want him accompanied by the media. So I guess [...]</description>
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		<title>By: seanrobins</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Isn’t the most plausible explanation at this point that Gration’s ego was wounded by the Pentagon deciding he couldn’t go, and Obama, forced to choose between leaving him behind and soothing his ruffled feathers by canceling the trip to see the troops, chose the latter?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think this almost has it right.

Obama CANNOT risk trusting himself to himself in extemporaneous matters, such as an unscripted visit to a military hospital  (or a visit to anywhere)  He cannot be left to his own devices, without advisors to reign in his flailing mouth, and inability to speak not when he shouldn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Isn’t the most plausible explanation at this point that Gration’s ego was wounded by the Pentagon deciding he couldn’t go, and Obama, forced to choose between leaving him behind and soothing his ruffled feathers by canceling the trip to see the troops, chose the latter?</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this almost has it right.</p>
<p>Obama CANNOT risk trusting himself to himself in extemporaneous matters, such as an unscripted visit to a military hospital  (or a visit to anywhere)  He cannot be left to his own devices, without advisors to reign in his flailing mouth, and inability to speak not when he shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: coldwarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>coldwarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know me very well, do you?

IF Obama had the stones to tell the Commanding Officer of the Landstuhl Medical Center that he[Obama] was a serving US Senator and wished to spend some private off the record time with wounded troops and he wanted to do it right now, the Colonel would have allowed it [I&#039;ve yet to meet a full bird refuse a request from a US Senator in that sort of situation, ever...].  Obama would have gained a lot of cred among the US military community in Germany and perhaps even here in the States as well, once the troops sent their letters and emails home or facebooked their own pictures.

Instead, Obama balked.  And has spent the past week having to parse and re-parse every imaginable rationale for not going to Landstuhl, thus amplifying the misstep he chose to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know me very well, do you?</p>
<p>IF Obama had the stones to tell the Commanding Officer of the Landstuhl Medical Center that he[Obama] was a serving US Senator and wished to spend some private off the record time with wounded troops and he wanted to do it right now, the Colonel would have allowed it [I've yet to meet a full bird refuse a request from a US Senator in that sort of situation, ever...].  Obama would have gained a lot of cred among the US military community in Germany and perhaps even here in the States as well, once the troops sent their letters and emails home or facebooked their own pictures.</p>
<p>Instead, Obama balked.  And has spent the past week having to parse and re-parse every imaginable rationale for not going to Landstuhl, thus amplifying the misstep he chose to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monkei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;coldwarrior on July 30, 2008 at 1:46 PM
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course with your reasoning he would be damned if he did and damned if he didn&#039;t.

McCain&#039;s campaign straight talking express has jumped the shark.   But at least you will have 8 years of Obama in the WH to blame for the last 8 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>coldwarrior on July 30, 2008 at 1:46 PM
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<p>Of course with your reasoning he would be damned if he did and damned if he didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>McCain&#8217;s campaign straight talking express has jumped the shark.   But at least you will have 8 years of Obama in the WH to blame for the last 8 years.</p>
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		<title>By: President Obama Continues Hectic Victory Tour &#171; Thespis Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>President Obama Continues Hectic Victory Tour &#171; Thespis Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 30, 2008 &#183; No Comments  There has been a lot of talk this week about Obama&#8217;s arrogance. It is even richer when his liberal allies in the press expound about the notion that Obama has [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 30, 2008 &middot; No Comments  There has been a lot of talk this week about Obama&#8217;s arrogance. It is even richer when his liberal allies in the press expound about the notion that Obama has [...]</p>
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		<title>By: coldwarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>coldwarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, even if there were no cameras and no flocking press monkeys clammoring to get in, and it was just Obama...why didn&#039;t he just walk in the front door of the Landstuhl Medical Center and spend time with the wounded troops? 

As each day passes, the &quot;official&quot; Obama camp explanation becomes more and more convoluted the more they try to make it some sort of simple misunderstanding...the essence of a lie.

But the bottom line...IF Obama wanted to visit the troops Obama would have visited the troops.  He chose not to.  All the rationalizations in the world, in the real world, and in the Obama world, will not still that fact.  He made a choice.  He had his priorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, even if there were no cameras and no flocking press monkeys clammoring to get in, and it was just Obama&#8230;why didn&#8217;t he just walk in the front door of the Landstuhl Medical Center and spend time with the wounded troops? </p>
<p>As each day passes, the &#8220;official&#8221; Obama camp explanation becomes more and more convoluted the more they try to make it some sort of simple misunderstanding&#8230;the essence of a lie.</p>
<p>But the bottom line&#8230;IF Obama wanted to visit the troops Obama would have visited the troops.  He chose not to.  All the rationalizations in the world, in the real world, and in the Obama world, will not still that fact.  He made a choice.  He had his priorities.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monkei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh oh ... sounds like a time for an UPDATE to this fabricated story!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/McCain_campaign_backs_off_cameras_charge.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh oh &#8230; sounds like a time for an UPDATE to this fabricated story!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/McCain_campaign_backs_off_cameras_charge.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/McCain_campaign_backs_off_cameras_charge.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sir Napsalot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sir Napsalot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After exhausting all excuses, all of a sudden the dave_rywalls and Tom_Shipleys revert back to form.  

Snapping turtles
&lt;blockquote&gt;HE DIDN’T BECAUSE HE DIDN’T
Dave Rywall on July 29, 2008 at 5:54 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And “Just the facts, madam”
&lt;blockquote&gt;You don’t know what was said.
Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2008 at 5:58 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If only liberals stick to the FACTS all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After exhausting all excuses, all of a sudden the dave_rywalls and Tom_Shipleys revert back to form.  </p>
<p>Snapping turtles</p>
<blockquote><p>HE DIDN’T BECAUSE HE DIDN’T<br />
Dave Rywall on July 29, 2008 at 5:54 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>And “Just the facts, madam”</p>
<blockquote><p>You don’t know what was said.<br />
Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2008 at 5:58 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>If only liberals stick to the FACTS all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Evil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Evil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is going to be the next president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is going to be the next president.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Evil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Evil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Obama made a poor decision but his handlers are advising him. I am not pro Obama or pro McCain one of these two canidates are going to be the next President they need to get their &quot;ACTS&quot; together. Neither is instilling confidence in me...especially after their hispandering tour. I am an Independent. I read the above article at the top, about the undecideds among Democrats and Republicans, what about the Independents? How many of us are undecided?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Obama made a poor decision but his handlers are advising him. I am not pro Obama or pro McCain one of these two canidates are going to be the next President they need to get their &#8220;ACTS&#8221; together. Neither is instilling confidence in me&#8230;especially after their hispandering tour. I am an Independent. I read the above article at the top, about the undecideds among Democrats and Republicans, what about the Independents? How many of us are undecided?</p>
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		<title>By: Wildcatter1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wildcatter1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Isn’t the most plausible explanation at this point that Gration’s ego was wounded by the Pentagon deciding he couldn’t go, and Obama, forced to choose between leaving him behind and soothing his ruffled feathers by canceling the trip to see the troops, chose the latter?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If that is the even remotely the case, it does not speak well of a potential commander-in-chief when he may have to order fine men and women into harm&#039;s way to protect the nations and its citizens. This would seem to indicate that BO&#039;s priorities are out of balance and unbecoming of this nation&#039;s commander-in-chief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Isn’t the most plausible explanation at this point that Gration’s ego was wounded by the Pentagon deciding he couldn’t go, and Obama, forced to choose between leaving him behind and soothing his ruffled feathers by canceling the trip to see the troops, chose the latter?</p></blockquote>
<p>If that is the even remotely the case, it does not speak well of a potential commander-in-chief when he may have to order fine men and women into harm&#8217;s way to protect the nations and its citizens. This would seem to indicate that BO&#8217;s priorities are out of balance and unbecoming of this nation&#8217;s commander-in-chief.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monkei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s all climb on the NY Times for asking the great probing questions of our times ... and then as true GOP followers, complain about them when they ask the same probing questions of the GOP candidates.

Never has an ad which ran only 6 times gotten so much air play by the so called &quot;liberal&quot; media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s all climb on the NY Times for asking the great probing questions of our times &#8230; and then as true GOP followers, complain about them when they ask the same probing questions of the GOP candidates.</p>
<p>Never has an ad which ran only 6 times gotten so much air play by the so called &#8220;liberal&#8221; media.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffinSac</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffinSac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could have swore that before this trip Sen. Obama stated it&#039;s main purpose was not a campaign trip, but fact finding trip for him as a Senator. The fact that he had 10 times as many campaign staff to his normal senator staff shows how much of a lie that was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could have swore that before this trip Sen. Obama stated it&#8217;s main purpose was not a campaign trip, but fact finding trip for him as a Senator. The fact that he had 10 times as many campaign staff to his normal senator staff shows how much of a lie that was.</p>
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		<title>By: Dingbat63</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dingbat63</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re psot by coldwarrior on July 29, 2008 at 6:40 PM. 

READ IT!!! He/She speaks the truth. Nothing is left to chance on these visits. Been there. Done that. Got that T-Shirt. Hooah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re psot by coldwarrior on July 29, 2008 at 6:40 PM. </p>
<p>READ IT!!! He/She speaks the truth. Nothing is left to chance on these visits. Been there. Done that. Got that T-Shirt. Hooah.</p>
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		<title>By: baldilocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>baldilocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For a man who wants to be commander in chief to walk away from that opportunity for any reason not related to national security is abysmal.

Quisp on July 29, 2008 at 6:49 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is the reason for the &quot;dead horse beating&quot; illustrated again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For a man who wants to be commander in chief to walk away from that opportunity for any reason not related to national security is abysmal.</p>
<p>Quisp on July 29, 2008 at 6:49 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the reason for the &#8220;dead horse beating&#8221; illustrated again.</p>
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		<title>By: baldilocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>baldilocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If BigO’s so worried about ruffling Gration’s feathers, then why is he letting him be the fall guy for this kerfuffle?

Quisp on July 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;Not a reassuring trait for a wannabe Commander/Leader.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
HE DIDN’T BECAUSE HE DIDN’T&lt;/blockquote&gt;You know, my ten-year-old niece would know better than to put forth such circular logic.  She&#039;s also past the foot-stomping stage.  Long past in kid years.&lt;blockquote&gt;Why does this dead horse continue to be beaten?

Dave Rywall on July 29, 2008 at 5:54 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;See my first statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If BigO’s so worried about ruffling Gration’s feathers, then why is he letting him be the fall guy for this kerfuffle?</p>
<p>Quisp on July 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Not a reassuring trait for a wannabe Commander/Leader.</p>
<blockquote><p>
HE DIDN’T BECAUSE HE DIDN’T</p></blockquote>
<p>You know, my ten-year-old niece would know better than to put forth such circular logic.  She&#8217;s also past the foot-stomping stage.  Long past in kid years.<br />
<blockquote>Why does this dead horse continue to be beaten?</p>
<p>Dave Rywall on July 29, 2008 at 5:54 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>See my first statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan Klaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johan Klaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He had to shoot some hoops.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom_Shipley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom_Shipley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dusty,

I won&#039;t call you wrong because you&#039;re too cynical -- I think cynicism gets a bad rap personally.   I was cynical of the claims that Obama didn&#039;t visit the troops because the press wasn&#039;t allowed, and it turns out I was right to be.

I think just think one needs to combine common sense with cynicism.  I think this is a case of the correct answer being the most obvious one (ie... the explanation Obama&#039;s team has been giving).  It makes the most sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dusty,</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t call you wrong because you&#8217;re too cynical &#8212; I think cynicism gets a bad rap personally.   I was cynical of the claims that Obama didn&#8217;t visit the troops because the press wasn&#8217;t allowed, and it turns out I was right to be.</p>
<p>I think just think one needs to combine common sense with cynicism.  I think this is a case of the correct answer being the most obvious one (ie&#8230; the explanation Obama&#8217;s team has been giving).  It makes the most sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale in Atlanta</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dale….can i ‘borrow’? Too funny in context.

dustoffmom on July 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM



yes, please do.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dale….can i ‘borrow’? Too funny in context.</p>
<p>dustoffmom on July 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM</p>
<p>yes, please do&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Dusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2008 at 6:25 PM]

Nope, I don&#039;t. You are right, I don&#039;t have evidence for mine.  I&#039;m going on what my impressions are and what I think is likely.

Your example is plausible, too.  I can understand your estimation based on your sensibilities.  Maybe he did get into a sticky-wicket by the way things played out.  It happens sometimes.  As you can tell from my &quot;naive&quot; remark, I&#039;m pretty cynical when it comes to politicians but I put a much lower probability on your scenario because they so often prove my cynicism valid, especially when it comes to campaigns.

Maybe my initial comment should have been &quot;&lt;em&gt;the Obama campaign&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; convenient interpretation of the rules&quot; rather than placing the emphasis on Obama himself, but I consider him the boss and that&#039;s where the buck stops.

Call me wrong because I&#039;m too cynical, and I&#039;ll be fine with it. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2008 at 6:25 PM]</p>
<p>Nope, I don&#8217;t. You are right, I don&#8217;t have evidence for mine.  I&#8217;m going on what my impressions are and what I think is likely.</p>
<p>Your example is plausible, too.  I can understand your estimation based on your sensibilities.  Maybe he did get into a sticky-wicket by the way things played out.  It happens sometimes.  As you can tell from my &#8220;naive&#8221; remark, I&#8217;m pretty cynical when it comes to politicians but I put a much lower probability on your scenario because they so often prove my cynicism valid, especially when it comes to campaigns.</p>
<p>Maybe my initial comment should have been &#8220;<em>the Obama campaign&#8217;s</em> convenient interpretation of the rules&#8221; rather than placing the emphasis on Obama himself, but I consider him the boss and that&#8217;s where the buck stops.</p>
<p>Call me wrong because I&#8217;m too cynical, and I&#8217;ll be fine with it. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: MayBee</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Quisp. I am just agreeing like crazy with everything you say.</description>
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		<title>By: Quisp</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The really telling argument is the one that goes, &quot;He saw plenty of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan,&quot; like they&#039;re some species on display, and not individual men and women putting their lives on the line for the country. Visiting wounded men and women who are far away from home is not about the visitor, it&#039;s about bringing comfort and cheer to those hospitalized. For a man who wants to be commander in chief to walk away from that opportunity for any reason not related to national security is abysmal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really telling argument is the one that goes, &#8220;He saw plenty of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan,&#8221; like they&#8217;re some species on display, and not individual men and women putting their lives on the line for the country. Visiting wounded men and women who are far away from home is not about the visitor, it&#8217;s about bringing comfort and cheer to those hospitalized. For a man who wants to be commander in chief to walk away from that opportunity for any reason not related to national security is abysmal.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom:

So what you are saying is that Obama was kinda sorta wondering around Germany and then it occurred to him that there was this military hospital and so he thought what the hey, I&#039;ll give the boys a thrill and show up for a visit with a few dozen of my closest friends. and then once again, out of the clear blue sky, he was turned away and trudged off all hurt and stuff.

If this guy was so incompetent that he could not manage to plan and carry out a visit to a hospital as you seem to think he was, then he can&#039;t handle this job. That is for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:</p>
<p>So what you are saying is that Obama was kinda sorta wondering around Germany and then it occurred to him that there was this military hospital and so he thought what the hey, I&#8217;ll give the boys a thrill and show up for a visit with a few dozen of my closest friends. and then once again, out of the clear blue sky, he was turned away and trudged off all hurt and stuff.</p>
<p>If this guy was so incompetent that he could not manage to plan and carry out a visit to a hospital as you seem to think he was, then he can&#8217;t handle this job. That is for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: coldwarrior</title>
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		<description>I served in uniform and later overseas in a foreign service capacity.  

We often developed and had &quot;talking points&quot; and briefing books for ANY visit that involved ANY US government official above the rank of deputy assistance undersecretary.  Tghehse were living documents, subject to change at a moments notice, so all sorts of exignecies had to be identified and courses of action laid out in detail.  The staff officers serving the intended visitor were consulted all across the board on every aspect of each trip.  All scenarios were planned for, especially at the higher ranks and even moreso for US Senators or Cabinet Secretaries, so there would be no &quot;surprise&quot; or embarassing situations.  Focal point officers on each end were identified and kept in 24/7 contact with each other until the subject was safely back in the States at the end of the visit.  Coordination at all levels was demanded and vital.

Obama had a huge Senate staff with him on the Iraq and Afghan legs of his trip, and he had a huge campaign staff with him when he hit Europe, and none of these staffers, handlers or advisors had even thought for even a moment that transitioning from US Senator on a Senate junket to a campaigning candidate for President would involve a change of applicable rules, and require a different level and focus of coordination?

If this is the level of expertise Obama shuttles around with now, one has to seriously wonder who he will have around him should he become President?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I served in uniform and later overseas in a foreign service capacity.  </p>
<p>We often developed and had &#8220;talking points&#8221; and briefing books for ANY visit that involved ANY US government official above the rank of deputy assistance undersecretary.  Tghehse were living documents, subject to change at a moments notice, so all sorts of exignecies had to be identified and courses of action laid out in detail.  The staff officers serving the intended visitor were consulted all across the board on every aspect of each trip.  All scenarios were planned for, especially at the higher ranks and even moreso for US Senators or Cabinet Secretaries, so there would be no &#8220;surprise&#8221; or embarassing situations.  Focal point officers on each end were identified and kept in 24/7 contact with each other until the subject was safely back in the States at the end of the visit.  Coordination at all levels was demanded and vital.</p>
<p>Obama had a huge Senate staff with him on the Iraq and Afghan legs of his trip, and he had a huge campaign staff with him when he hit Europe, and none of these staffers, handlers or advisors had even thought for even a moment that transitioning from US Senator on a Senate junket to a campaigning candidate for President would involve a change of applicable rules, and require a different level and focus of coordination?</p>
<p>If this is the level of expertise Obama shuttles around with now, one has to seriously wonder who he will have around him should he become President?</p>
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